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Interesting post by Sam Mellinger regarding Guillen's tirade:  http://royalsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/122 

I'm a big fan of a good tirade, and its nice to see that Jose actually cares.  It will be interesting to see if anyone actually responds...to be a clubhouse leader, you have to be that EVERYDAY, not just on convenient occasions.  I do agree that is time to get out of the "Milk and Cookies" era, though and this could help.

I was fortunate enough to hear the rant on the radio this morning, too bad about the censoring...He must have dropped 50 f-bombs in the span of 2 minutes...it was one of the best f-bomb rants since Steve Martin at the car rental counter in planes, trains and automobiles. 

DeJesus update...Rumor has it he broke out in hives after an allergic reaction to "having the lead"!!!!!!!!!!!1

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I agree

was glad to hear that Guillen went off. He looked really pissed last night after we blew it.

by I need more Esteban on May 29, 2008 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Anyone in the KC area

810 is going to play the Guillen rant after the next commercial break. I’m sure it’s possible to hear on the internet but just thought I’d throw it out there.

by I need more Esteban on May 29, 2008 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I am really beginning to hate his selfish attitude

Only caring about how this losing affects him!

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by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Piling on and pointing fingers when you’ve underachieved, are the highest paid player on the team and showed up for camp 25 pounds overweight for the second straight years because you were banking on your mandatory steroid vacation are not exactly team leader qualities.

by djk royal on May 29, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, Manwich should shut his trap

especially in the offseason, when he’s thinking about stuffing some food in it

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by marbotty on May 29, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i gave it a rec for length

no way in hell i am reading all that, but i’ll probably agree with you on effort alone

by ZeppelinDZ on May 29, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha

fair enough

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on May 29, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Actually Read

The whole thing, and, though I’ve not heard the rant in question, I think you make valid points. I don’t know enough specifics to agree or disagree definitively, but I agree that emotions, aside from releasing a little extra adrenalin, have little to do with performance in sports.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 30, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was with you

...until the slams on Greinke and Gordon. Those two were instrumental when the Royals were winning earlier this year (which seems like last year or several years ago now) while Jose was in a slump. I know you probably meant this sarcastically, but I’m really sick of Greinke-bashing in general.

Bygones.

by Stat Ninja on May 30, 2008 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, sarcastic

hard to tell there because I switch back and forth without good markers. Greinke has by far been the Royals best pitcher (and player, probably—Soria’s awesome,but in limited innings), and Gordon is the best hitter. The slams were sarcastic swipes at Guillen.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on May 30, 2008 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jose's reaction is good

Whether people want to admit it or not having an attitude works for some teams. I would rather this team follow a guy like Guillen than Teah’s laissez faire joke it off mentality. It sucks to lose and Butler and Gordon should care about it. I’m not saying that this team has the talent to win a division or a title but its these lean years and what the young players learn from it that will develop their attitude and mentality for later in their career when hopefully they have enough talent on this team to win.

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 29, 2008 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I just think

that everyone already cares…and that Jose’s rant was unnecessary. Still, much ado about small beer.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 29, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have preferred

he do this behind closed doors – that’s what a leader should do. Stuff like this is important, but it does no good to air it publicly.

Think about your own work situation. Would you respect a colleague who had a problem with your work and confronted you privately in your office, or who discussed it publicly in a company meeting?

FWIW, Guillen did not exclude himself from blame in his tirade, nor did he throw his manager under the bus. I think those are both good things.

by loyal2sdad on May 29, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Jose, even if he is a "hothead"

I’m very happy that Jose stood behind Trey, I mean.. it is the guys first year as a major league manager. He’s going to make plenty of mistakes. It’s called learning. Even if he has managed before in Japan/minors.. nothing is quite like the bigs.

maybe Jose will/did tear into the young guys behind closed doors for all we know. I think that’d be good, from my personal experiance in sports; The coaches/older players that were more rough on us ended up getting more out of us. I’m not saying constantly yelling and punishing but when things go wrong when they shouldn’t, its not always bad to bite some peoples heads off so that they can pull them out of their asses. And get back to work with more tenacity.

by cfizzle on May 29, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Crap, lost the original post

It was another one that was too long, and I won’t re-do it here. Just to reiterate: I want to like Guillen (although he makes it awfully hard), and I don’t mind a big of hotheadedness. I think his stats at the end of the year will be decent ($11 million decent? I really don’t know. Too complicated for here.) Yeah, it would have been better behind closed doors.

I will say that his statements including “everyone” need to be put up against his calling people “babies.” That’s clearly aimed at others. I think that’s crap, especially for a guy who is still underperforming after a giant hot streak—unless you accept the “loser” Royals standard where a .702 OPS from a corner outfielder who is your highest paid player is acceptable. Exactly what are these winning techniques and attitudes (aside from the obvious ones… I’ll leave aside obvious snide comments here)? Does he really think this rant is going to ring true with young guys like Gordon and Greinke who are obviously outplaying him right now? Are they going to help Butler develop faster? Is Tony Pena, Jr.’s problem just a bad attitude, or that he sucks?

I’m glad he stuck by his manager, which he should do. But, in context, it was in the process of throwing the “babies” under the bus.

I’m going to stop now, because it isn’t that big of a deal. I hope Guillen does well for the Royals (and, full disclosure, for my fantasy team). A lot of players come to camp overweight and out of shape. Some of those players are the highest paid players on yiou team. Many players called out those on steroids. Some of those players later got busted for it. A lot of players have a reputation for losing it in games, throwing bats, and getting asked not to come back to the team during a season. A lot of players underperform. I would humbly suggest, however, that if all those things are are true of one particular player, that he might be a bit more circumspect before publicly ranting about the “losing atmosphere” of his current team.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on May 29, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

No, I'm not

Thank you, I’m flattered. But Joe Posnanski, royalsreview, and Bill Simmons are examples of talented writers. I’m a loud and fast talker/bullshitter with too much time on my hands given my alleged career, marginal typing skills given my demographic, a derivative sense of humor, and a desparate need for attention. But thanks, anyway. You the Man, too.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on May 29, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just curious...

have there been other players recently who have been essentially kicked off the team midseason like Guillen was in Anaheim? I can’t think of any offhand. Elijah Dukes maybe.

by djk royal on May 29, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not go nuts

Elijah Dukes basically entered the Tyson Zone ([TM] Bill Simmons), bent it over, made his, um, wilderness bride, and renamed it the Elijah Dukes F*ck Shop last year, so Guillen’s not even close to being the same category as that.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on May 29, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyway

I can’t think of it in baseball, but Keyshawn Johnson and T.O. in football come to mind from the recent past.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on May 29, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can think of

Julio Lugo in Houston for allegedly beating his wife

Julio Mateo in Seattle for the same

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by RoyalsRetro on May 30, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It worked for that manager in Bull Durham

The manager asked Crash what to do. Crash told him, “they’re kids – scare ‘em”.

Manager unleashed the funnest tirade in baseball ever (this is a simple game…)

by loyal2sdad on May 29, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you calling our guys

Lollygaggers?

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by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe Soria

needs to sleep with Gordon’s wife accidentally. Seemed to work for them

Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.

by kcscoliny on May 29, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has to be a live chicken.

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by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like how

seamlessly the jokes switched from Bull Durham to major league

besides our problems are because we don’t get enough ground balls, they are more democratic and will free Iraq

by ZeppelinDZ on May 30, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

it was 32 f-bombs in 4 minutes and with about 5 to 6 shits in there for good measure, one of the guys on 610 this morning actually counted them

Marriage is a great institution, for those that like being in institutions.

by fats on May 29, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

but did he throw a bottle of jim beam at someone?

me thinks not

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by marbotty on Jun 2, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

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