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I know Rob has a habit of being negative when it comes to the Royals but this just made me sad. Not sad for the past but sad for the future. Here's to hoping he's wrong this time. http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=neyer_rob

Ten games ago the Royals had the same front office, the same manager, and the same players. I didn't believe in them then, and Royals fans hated me for it. I don't blame them. For most fans, being a fan means checking your objectivity at the door. But I just don't know how to do that, and so for the last dozen or so years I've been right about the Royals over and over and over again.

 

I believe I've been wrong only once. At the All-Star break in 2003, the Royals were in first place, seven games ahead of the second-place White Sox. As you might guess, most teams with seven-game leads in the middle of July wind up in the playoffs. I thought the Royals would hang on. Shock the world.

 

They finished the season seven games out of first place.

 

I haven't been wrong about them since, as they've finished last, last, last, and last. Right now they're last, again.

 

I'm sorry, Royals fans. I know you're going to hate me for saying this. But while the franchise has showed a few signs of life since Dayton Moore took over as GM, this organization is now indisputably the worst in the American League. They have two good pitchers (Soria and Zack Greinke) and one good hitter (Alex Gordon) and very, very little talent in the farm system. I'm not sure how one gets from here to respectability in the foreseeable future.

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worst in the American League

thank god for the pirates

by ZeppelinDZ on May 29, 2008 10:49 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Mariners

Sure seem intent on giving us a run for our money.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh, don't mention the Mariners (All the smart Mariners fans are now Rays fans)

The Mariners have a lot of good stuff in the farm system, so that’s good.

We’ll never see 95% of that good stuff in Mariners uniforms, though, because the team has Jose Guillen Irrational Veteran Man-Crush syndrome.

So enjoy being a sucky team with young players – it’s so much better than being a sucky team with old players. I’d give a testicle for a guy like Gathright, because at least you can dream about young players improving – old players just suck more as the days go by.

by Jordan of Boise on May 29, 2008 11:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough

but any Gathright achievement beyond “fast 4th outfielder” is definitely a dream.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on May 29, 2008 11:23 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

I think you just went on Double Secret Stathead Probation.

“Fat, Drunk, and Stathead is no way to go through life, son.”

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on May 29, 2008 1:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least I'm not fat.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 29, 2008 3:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay fine,

you called my bluff. I’m still rather disenchanted with Neyer’s pervasive negativity.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 29, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quite clearly...

At least he writes about them alot. Bad press is better than no press.

by djk royal on May 29, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it?

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 29, 2008 3:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think so...

I like to hear what talented writers have to say. Keith Law is often negative about the Royals as well but I respect both of their knowledge. It’s nice to have balance to offset most of the fluff in the Star and on the team website.

by djk royal on May 29, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I can't disagree that the Royals

are in a bad way right now. That’s a given. I can disagree with this “I’m always negative so I’m always right” bullshit that he’s been trotting out for over a year now.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 29, 2008 3:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

until proven wrong he’s right, unfortunately. There’s support for your own team and there’s blind optimism that I’ve seen far too much the last few years from a lot of Royals fan. I’ll be honest, this is the first year since 03 that I’ve been optimistic about the Royals. I still don’t think they’ll lose 95. But before the season started I definitely expected them to lose less than 90. But then again, I expect Butler to do a hell of a lot better than he’s been doing.

by playingwithfire on May 30, 2008 1:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I sorta disagree about the farm system

I think the Royals have more than a few good pitching prospects, some of which are only a year away.

I also haven’t given up on Lubanski, and Joe Dickerson and Joshua Johnson in High A both look like very good prospects to me. (look up Johnson’s BB rate – it’s AWESOME)

Of course, Rob has said in the past he doesn’t take any prospects seriously until they start performing in AA or higher.

I know Billy Butler has struggled with his power this season, but considering he is age 22, and he is just now reaching about a full season of service time, how can he be dismissed when discussing “good hitters” on the Royals? I think that’s kinda premature, isn’t it?

by loyal2sdad on May 29, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Butler certainly...

shouldn’t be overlooked. He’s hit at every level of the minor leagues with authority and I predict he will do it in the majors. Until he actually does it in the majors though it’s kind of hard to call him a good major league hitter.

by djk royal on May 29, 2008 2:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's Robs take on the farm system
I’m still pessimistic about this franchise’s future, mostly because the farm system is nearly destitute (at least at the higher levels). Why do I say the farm system is nearly destitute? Because the Royals don’t have many prospects. Simple as that. Every day, I receive Baseball America’s Prospect Report via e-mail. It’s easy to check the Royals because they hardly ever show up at all. Today’s a beautiful example. Today there are 69 players listed; 39 hitters, 30 pitchers. How many Royal farmhands? None. And typically there might be one or two listed. There is some young talent in the organization, to be sure. But most of it’s on the major league roster already.

by djk royal on May 29, 2008 5:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I find myself agreeing with Rob more and more

by royalsreview on May 29, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to your own credit

Midnight is Where the Day Begins

by ZeppelinDZ on May 29, 2008 2:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Butler has done it in the majors

at least he did for over half a season last year. He is going thru a rough adjustment period, but remember, he is still 2 years younger than Gordon. He will get it figured out eventually, despite Barnett “working” with him.

by loyal2sdad on May 29, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.

by kcscoliny on May 29, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Barnett...

“working with him” part is kind of scary. The only thing anyone should tell Billy is that thinking hurts the ballclub. See ball, hit ball, listen to your base coaches and try not to hurt yourself playing first base.

by djk royal on May 29, 2008 3:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Moore

must not allow Neyer the same access Baird gave him. Seems like he is jumping the shark on DM. Most of these players aren’t his. He’s made one HUGE mistake (Pena) but other than that I can’t really fault many of his others considering what he ad to work with. Neyer seems like he isn’t looking at what we had in the minors pre-Moore hiring. We have some solid pitching prospects and this years draft hopefully will yield more. To start from a blank slate I can’t really fault Moore too much.

Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.

by kcscoliny on May 29, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That one HUGE mistake

was a net positive for one year…Moore has done a good job the way I see it.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 29, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

Though the mistake wasn’t in acquiring Pena – that was a good move. The mistake was not realizing after one season that Pena’s 2007 was awfully flukey, and that he was at best a utility infielder. DM failed to go out and get a long-term replacement.

The only other really bad move I thought was offering Gload a two year deal. But neither of those moves are disastrous, certainly not on scale with Allard’s big blunders.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

baird's big blunders were in the draft

we dont know if moore is any better at that either

by royalsreview on May 29, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In the draft?

Not saying that his drafts were good, but the weren’t the only problem, Elarton springs to mind as just one example.

Proud father of a budding Royals fan.

by Skirra on May 29, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His big blunders were the drafts

But also in squandering talents like Damon, Dye, and Beltran. Oh, and he was awful at free agent acquisitions – Lima, Elarton, Mays, Gonzalez.

So he pretty much sucked at everything. DM hasn’t shown he sucks at anything yet.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What long term replacement

was available, though? I mean, no one thought this was our year, so…why did he have to get a SS for this year?

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would say no...

but I’m not sure how close it is, given how we seem to have no real position prospects except Moustakas.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 29, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They did restock...

somewhat after trading Berdard and Tejada. They still have Roberts to trade and a much higher payroll. I’d say we’re in worse shape overall.

by djk royal on May 29, 2008 3:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I loves me some Adam Jones

I know he’s not hitting all that well, but I think he’s going to be pretty damn good long term.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 29, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

you have to hand it to Orioles. If you’re going to sell off your players and rebuild Houston and Seattle aren’t bad trade partners to hook up with.

by djk royal on May 29, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They've done a nice job so far, yes.

They’re still a ways away, but Andy McPhail has done well thus far.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 29, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Side-by-side

Here are the Top ten players from each organization, under the age of 25 in my opinion:

Kansas City
1. 3B Alex Gordon
2. P Zack Greinke
3. P Joakim Soria
4. P Zack Greinke
5. 1B Billy Butler
6. P Luke Hochevar
7. SS Mike Moustakas
8. P Dan Cortes
9. P Blake Wood
10.P Carlos Rosa
Others worth mentioning: IF Alberto Callaspo, P Dan Duffy, P Matt Mitchell, P Julio Pimentel, P Leo Nunez

Baltimore
1. LF Nick Markakis
2. CF Adam Jones
3. C Matt Wieters
4. P Adam Loewen
5. P Troy Patton
6. P Garrett Olson
7. P Radhames Liz
8.3B Bill Rowell
9. OF Nolan Reimold
10.P Jake Arrieta
Others worth mentioning: P Pedro Beato, P Chorye Spoone, 1B Brandon Snyder, 3B Mike Costanzo

I’d take the Royals in a heartbeat.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well duh

It looks good if you list Greinke twice!

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Daniel Cabrera

looks like he’s made some strides this year, as does Brian Burres. And Guthrie is 29 or 30, but only in his second year of ML pay.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 29, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forget Cabrera, he does look good

Its close, but I’d still take the Royals with Greinke, Soria, Hochevar, Butler and Gordon.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2008 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's funny.

Rob and I are opposite sides of the same coin. We both graduated high school in ‘84 - me from SM North, he from SM West - so we have the same basic experience as fans. The Yankees destroyed our junior high years, cocaine in the clubhouse destroyed high school, and then we finally got the big payoff when Young Master Saberhagen and his cheesy moustache came to town.

But I swear, he’s always looking for a reason not to hope, and just shrugs when his prophecy comes true. Me, I always hope, and get mad when I’m wrong yet again. It drives me batty.

Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 29, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, over the last year or so, Neyer has gone from fairly reasonable perma-pessimism to unreasonable, over the top perma-pessimism

He’s not interested in seriously analyzing this team anymore; just throwing shit.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 29, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

blah blah blah

Neyer’s a bumbling moron. Nothing new here.

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on May 30, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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