Jose Guillen's rant...and leadership issues
Did anyone else hear Jose Guillen's rant on 810 last night after the tragic loss? If not, click on this link and go to the podcast at the bottom of the page... http://www.810whb.com/podcast.asp
Some highlights:
"This team is full of f***ing babies"
"Don't blame the manager. He works harder than anyone here so we can win some games."
"These guys don't know how to play the f***ing game."
I think we've thought these thoughts for some time, and we had quit blaming Jose Guillen for our problems since mid-April when we realized he really is the best hitter of the bunch. But, more broadly, isn't it about time someone blew up? I mean, this team is full of REAL people right, with REAL emotions and anger, the kind that builds after years of torment and losing streaks like this one. Jose wasn't even a part of those problems, yet he is the one to say something. I love the emotion and anger here, and I wonder how long it will take for Trey or Dayton to do something about these problems. I know Trey works very hard, and I'm sure Dayton does as well.
But there is something going on here, something missing in our organization that tends to make change difficult. I would call it a Steinbrenner quality in our organization, that urge to make drastic changes to end the losing. Dayton seems to be immune from this tendency, for better or for worse. I think it is for worse. In Jeffrey Flanagan's KC Star article on hitting instructor Mike Barnett, Dayton claims he would not fire a coach until the end of the season unless the manager said something first. Well, Trey is really nice, one of those good old Texas boys, the type that does not throw his colleagues or players under the bus. However, if he is not going to point out obvious problems or suggest organizational changes, it is clearly Dayton's role to do it. Someone, in the spirit of Jose Guillen, needs to put the foot down. As Harry Truman's plaque said, "The buck stops here!" Not to call out John Buck personally, but there is a lot of bull that needs to be stopped in this organization, and someone, super-Christian (Dayton, Trey, and I'm sure others in the organization) or not, has to not be so nice about it. Swearing is okay when things are not going well, because whether it's appropriate or not, it gets the point across. Also, everyone is thinking it. Trey's team meeting, while I'm sure it was serious and pointed, may not have gotten the job done that a GM with more power could accomplish. People need to be fired, DFA'd, or other things need to happen. In classic French Revolution style, heads need to roll for real change (sorry Obama fans for stealing this one) to happen. Only then can the Royals embark on Napoleonic conquest for the next decade or so in the AL. That said, I hope there are angry mobs willing to agree with Jose Guillen. His rant reveals problems that were known but not discussed. The babies and fake ballplayers need to go, and we don't have to wait or be nice about it. So let's go out there and stop this streak and start winning again!
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touche
but they are really tight w/ their kin. they don’t say bad things about each other…sorta family idea.
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
May 29, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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Wow.. he ripped this franchise.. and all the players.. didnt see that coming..
Oh well.. its not like he can make us lose more games
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
by focs on May 29, 2008 4:13 PM EDT 0 recs
at least he cares though.. you never hear anyone else on this club saying shit..
i enjoy this.. i think its nice to hear someone to go off.. cause lets face it.. its fucking embarassing.. its unexceptable.. 10 GAMES!? i commend Jose Guillen for what he said
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
by focs on
May 29, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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yep
that was the point i was trying to make. everyone’s thinking it. why not say it? jose even sounded VERY serious when he vowed things WILL change at the end, even though he didn’t have any remedies.
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
May 29, 2008 4:21 PM EDT
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+1
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
by focs on
May 29, 2008 4:36 PM EDT
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The fact...
That someone voted to fire DM is pretty depressing
by adschofield on May 29, 2008 6:41 PM EDT 0 recs
It's Steve Phillips time!
I probably disagree with you.
by NYRoyal on
May 29, 2008 6:43 PM EDT
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The poster, right?
Gload gets 10/100 mil., first day
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
May 29, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
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Both
Let’s rebuild this team from the ground up. Let’s get a horrible GM and some more horrible posters too.
I probably disagree with you.
by NYRoyal on
May 29, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
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But we just sent Billy to Oma--
wait, it may work as a summoning.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
May 29, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
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I was thinking the post would be the GM
Well, actually, I think that “Joel” is the pseudonym, and it really is Steve Phillips.
Watch your asses, female Royals FO employees (literally).
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
May 29, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
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nope
i voted for the coaching changes…dayton deserves more than 2 years for this…he needs to develop an eye for hitters though…that’s his biggest downfall to me
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
May 29, 2008 9:41 PM EDT
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Did GMDM think Gload was an adequate starting first baseman?
If the answer to that question is “yes”, then that is a MAJOR strike against him. First base is a hitter’s position, and Gload hits like a struggling middle infielder! They had him batting EIGHTH tonight! When was the last time another team batted their first baseman EIGHTH (besides Ken Harvey, I mean)?
Moore had a backup plan for TPJ when he struggled, but not for 31-year-old career part-timer Gload. The only real explanation for that is that David Glass wanted to raise expectations without producing results so that the fans will once again be happy with something slightly better than rock bottom in 2009 (when the franchise is supposed to have been competitive).
by Stat Ninja on
May 30, 2008 12:51 AM EDT
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The 1B plan
I think the 1B plan was Gload, with Butler sharing time as he learned the position and Shealy as a backup plan. No, I don’t think Moore thinks that Gload is a sufficient starting 1B, but you can’t fill every hole. I mean, there are only so many FA’s and only so much money. And the FA 1B crop was really horrible. There were other journeymen to acquire, like Shelton or Broussard, but they aren’t any better than Gload has been.
Moore has upgraded the pitching, filled an OF spot and acquired the 2B of the future so far. More holes will be addressed this offseason.
What else could Moore have done with the 1B position this season? I can’t think of anything that doesn’t involve a trade which opens up an equally big hole somewhere else.
I probably disagree with you.
by NYRoyal on
May 30, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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My impressions, for what they are worth.
I like that Guillen seems to hate losing. That is good.
He sounds like a passive aggressive asshole the whole interview. Alternatively calling his team mates "fucking babies" (sorry for the cursing, but Guillen pretty well curses every fifth word when he talks so…) and then saying everyone is to blame for the losing. Several times he baits the reporters. It seems like he was trying to intimidate them or make them see his anger, I don’t know which. I wouldn’t have a beer with him.
So, I like that Guillen hates to lose, but I don’t see this interview bringing the team together or producing anything positive. Sounds like an ill advised emotional response to frustration.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
by James Quinn on May 29, 2008 11:16 PM EDT 0 recs
+1
Nice and concise. A the risk of self-promotion, I have similar thoughts laid out in a much less organized, well-thought out manner in a different thread.
http://www.royalsreview.com/2008/5/29/541652/backlash#6445450
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
May 30, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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Oh man
I followed the Nationals his first year there, I’ve learned to not listen to the guy, the guy has a mental age of about 13-15, anything goes wrong, he’ll jump and blame nobody in particular. That’s just Jose Guillen being Jose Guillen.
and I disagree about him being a team leader, at least I hope the young ones are not following his footstep.
by playingwithfire on May 30, 2008 1:37 AM EDT 1 recs








