Ceremonial Draft?
I heard recently that MLB is goin to have a ceremonial draft this year before the actual amatuer draft. During this "draft" each team would select a Negro Leagues player to essentially "call their own".
Has anyone else heard about this? And if this is actually going to happen, who would the Royals take? It would almost have to be Buck O'Neil right?
Just thought I would bring this up to see if it were true or I had simply been misinformed.
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its true...and dumb as hell
TPJ...you're dead to me
It's a public relations move, which shows some respect for the Negro Leagues
I don’t see anything negative about it.
I probably disagree with you.
if they wanted to show respect for the negro leagues buck would be in the HOF
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 7, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
They put a whole bunch of Negro Leaguers in the HOF
The problem is that Buck just wasn’t that great of a player or manager and there is no section in the HOF for “great ambassadors of the game.”
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 7, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they should change the HOF
They have sections for players, managers, umpires and some others, but nothing to cover Buck’s real contribution to the game. I think they should open a section for some special people like Buck who have made unconventional contributions to baseball after their official baseball careers were over. But under the current HOF setup, there’s no place for him.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 7, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
theres a place for contributors i always thought....could be wrong though
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 8, 2008 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, they do, sorta.
The Baseball Hall of Fame gives out three awards which do not confer “membership” in the Hall of Fame as such, but everyone refers to winners of those awards as being “Hall of Famers” anyway.
The first two of those are the J. G. Taylor Spink Award (hello, Joe McGuff) and the Ford C. Frick Award (hello, Denny Matthews).
The third is the Buck O’Neill Award, and Buck himself was the first recipient. Now, given that even sportswriters and broadcasters call their peers who won their awards Hall of Famers, I think it’s safe to say that Buck will forever more be referred to as one as well.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
they put in a white woman who coowned the team with her husband...
supposedly her main contribution was sleeping with her players…yet buck couldnt get in
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 8, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Actualy, I'm very familiar with Effa Manley and the above is very inaccurate
First, her biological parents were white, but she grew up with a white mother and black father. She lived essentially as an African American in an African American community and was treated as such by both blacks and whites. She was also the chief executive of the team. She ran the team. Her main contribution was being one of the driving forces behind the Negro Leagues. She was one of the most important owners/executives/front office personnel in the history of the Negro Leagues. She very much deserved induction into the HOF. Anyone interested in the history of the Negro Leagues as an institution and how the teams and leagues were run shoud read the book, “Negro League Baseball: The Rise and Ruin of a Black Institution” by Neil Lanctot
The unfortunate fact is that Buck O’Neill was not a major figure in Negro League baseball. He became important to the game of baseball long after his career was over. He has definitely contributed to the game, but not in any way that the HOF currently recognizes.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 8, 2008 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
you may be correct...
im just going on what i read on places like espn.com after the balloting that held her up as the biggest joke ever to make the HOF.
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 8, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not uncommon for people at ESPN and much of the mainstream sports media to not know much about the Negro Leagues
They usually know a little about Satchel Paige, Buck Leonard, Josh Gibson and Jackie Robinson, but little else.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 8, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
im reading over her wikipedia page...
and it has all of the stuff you had as well, but i dont see any way how that is more deserving of the HOF than Buck. Buck had a very good playing career. He was the first black coach in MLB, He was a longtime scout. His work with the Negro League museum has made sure that they’ll never be forgotten. To me, this is in another league from marrying the owner of a negro leagues team and helping to run it. In fact, Id throw out all of Bucks actual in game accomplishments, and put his work with the Negro League museum and say that hes still more deserving.
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 8, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to read beyond Wikipedia on this
The book I mentioned above discusses in depth how the negro leagues were run, who ran then, how the league was kept alive and vital (when it was vital). Effa Manley (much moreso than her husband) was one of the key driving forces. Her work in marketing the Negro Leagues, being an effective liaison both with the other owners, players, and the community was integral to the negro leagues success. It is extremely inaccurate to say that she merely married an owner and helped run the team. She was much, much more important than that.
Buck O’Neill, on the other hand was a pretty good player. Not a great player, but a pretty good one. He was also a coach and a scout for a while. None of those things qualify him to get into the HOF as a player, coach or executive.
In fact, Id throw out all of Bucks actual in game accomplishments, and put his work with the Negro League museum and say that hes still more deserving.
Maybe so. But there is no mechanism in the HOF for voting people in for their lifetime of achievement and contribution to the game. You get voted in as a player, manager, umpire or executive. That’s it. There are some awards, as mentioned above, and one was created for Buck. There is no section in the HOF for great ambassadors of the game or people who worked on the Negro League Museum. If you are arguing that the HOF should change their rules and criteria for induction, then I can agree with that. But under the current rules and processes, Manley deserved induction and there was no way to induct O’Neill.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 8, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm afraid thats not possible...
Royals hats are not available in large enough sizes to accommodate Bonds ever expanding cranium.
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on May 8, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions

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