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Forty losses? Already?

I'd hate to see what the record would be without the supposed infusion of talent and old-school attitudes we've enjoyed.

 

 

I will be working on an auto-interview tonight. If you have a question for me you'd also like me to ask myself, then shoot me one in the comments.

Who is sitting next to Jack Nicholson at the Laker game right now? Wow.

 

 

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Nomo Tomko

This bums gotta go. If I’ve gotta watch him throw some more non moving 94 mph fastballs get whacked I’m gonna shoot myself. The only problem is I don’t know who you would call up to replace him. No one in Omaha worth a shite except for Rosa and it is too early for him.

Tomko is pitiful maybe just go with a shorter staffed bullpen but that can’t be the answer either cause our starters can’t get passed 6 pretty much everynight of the Week. Ugh this is depressing, I think I’m just gonna end it.

Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.

by kcscoliny on Jun 10, 2008 11:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why were the runs charged to Tomko earned?

Shouldn’t they be unearned since Teahen made the two-out error?

by jbrocato on Jun 10, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's because the error didn't happen on his "watch"

Mahay’s runs are unearned because he should have been out of the inning. However, Tomko wasn’t penalized in any way by the defense behind him. The runs he allowed occurred due entirely to his own incompetence, and thus he didn’t get an unearned-run pass for yielding them.

by andrewmiller on Jun 11, 2008 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This one's on Buck

While not the worst player in Royals history, I cannot think of as bad a player who has started for four years. Please make Olivo an everyday player.

by jbrocato on Jun 10, 2008 11:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Question 2:

Did the Royals lose tonight because Hillman missed an eyeroll during his “pick up the chairs” test?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jun 10, 2008 11:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hard to blame Hillman

Buck didn’t impress me under Pena or Bell, either!

by jbrocato on Jun 10, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buck

You’re partially right that Buck isn’t a good player. Have you reviewed career data from currently playing catchers not named Victor Martinez, Jorge Posada, Jason Varitek, Joe Mauer, Ivan Rodriguez, Brian McCann, or Russell Martin? It gets pretty ugly after that. Were three of the five best catchers not in the Royals’ division, Buck wouldn’t seem like such a sore thumb.

I doubt Hillman would ask Buck to change his stance if he started hitting home runs again.

by Stat Ninja on Jun 11, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which, of course, is part of the point

The most important teams to compare the Royals to are the Tigers, White Sox, Twins, and Indians. Since 2004, the Royals have compared especially poorly to those four teams.

by jbrocato on Jun 11, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A List of Names

Fran Healy, Buck Martinez, Jamie Quirk, Bob Boone, Brent Mayne, Brent Mayne AGAIN, Chad Kreuter, Hector Ortiz, Brent Mayne YET AGAIN, Benito Santiago.

And offensively, Jim Sundberg.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jun 12, 2008 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why don't managers tweak the closers role a bit

Couldn’t you have used Soria for that one out against Bradley with the score 5-1. After an error wouldn’t you like to stop any momentum possible. I know if you are a basketball coach the wise move would be to take a TO, shouldn’t you make that move right there and bring Soria in get thru the 8th and maybe try to get away with Yabuta or Ramirez in the 9th if Soria is on a low pitch count? I’m sure the stats wouldn’t say play the game that way and it is hindsight but sees like a wiser move now.

Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.

by kcscoliny on Jun 10, 2008 11:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm think Soria was unavailable

I can’t think of any other explanation for why he wasn’t warming up in the 8th.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 11, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, all 30 managers are guided by the "save" stat

Columnists have written how sometimes it would make sense for a team to use its best reliever in the 7th or 8th, not delay him until the 9th so he can get the “save”. Unfortunately, I don’t think any other manager in 2008 would have brought in Soria in that situation.

by jbrocato on Jun 11, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saves

I’m with you on bringing in a closer earlier sometimes, but there is an opportunity cost to that. If a closer pitches two innings (or more than one inning) per appearance, then he will probably make fewer appearances. Hillman has brought Soria in before the ninth a few times this year, but even if it were my decision, I would have to think very carefully about whether I wanted two innings now or one now and another tomorrow.

by Stat Ninja on Jun 11, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soria pitched 5 innings in the last 4 games

I’m guessing he was unavailable.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 11, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He probably was unavailable

but he also had 2 days off in that stretch and if you prepare him for 1 out might have been a nice option.

Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.

by kcscoliny on Jun 11, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had 2 days off in that stretch?

I think he only had one.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 11, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

June 5th and June 8th

Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.

by kcscoliny on Jun 11, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is more painful/infuriating?

This:

Or this:

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jun 11, 2008 12:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

neither

this

Rangers 6, Royals 5

Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.

by wildthang on Jun 11, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats two big blown leads

and twice our best reliever didn’t get in the game.

Ugh.

Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.

by wildthang on Jun 11, 2008 12:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

let's get back berroa

he just drew a walk for the dodgies.

by Sean O Se on Jun 11, 2008 12:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Question:

In light of a Tuesday’s loss to the Rangers, which slice of wisdom gives you comfort going forward:

A)

People grieve and bemoan themselves, but it is not half so bad with them as they say. There are moods in which we court suffering, in the hope that here, at least, we shall find reality, sharp peaks and edges of truth. But it turns out to be scene-painting and counterfeit. The only thing grief has taught me, is to know how shallow it is.

—Ralph Waldo Emerson, Experience

or

B)

We have to be better at some things than they are. That’s how you win. It’s really not all that complicated. You have to be better in some way than the other team. You have to find a way to score more runs than they do. For us, I want us to be better than any team in baseball at getting the bunt down, moving runners over, playing situational defense. The more pressure we can put on another team, the better chance we have.

Trey Hillman, Spring Training 2008

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jun 11, 2008 12:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you thought Hillman was bad tonight...

The Padres just pinch hit Jody Gerut for Justin Huber while down 2-5. There goes the comeback!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jun 11, 2008 12:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would bet if you asked most Padres fans what they thought of Huber...

...they’d respond “Who’s Huber?”

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 11, 2008 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

+1

I was at a Padres game a few weeks ago and he came in to pinch hit, a roar went through PETCO like nothing before. Children cried out, men held their breaths, and the seagulls watched with anticipation…..and then he struck out.

by I need more Esteban on Jun 11, 2008 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was at that game

so epic.

Sports history before our eyes.

Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.

by wildthang on Jun 11, 2008 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, they know Huber is the guy

who is blocking Chase Headley. That’s all I’ve ever heard about him from Padres fans. “DFA Huber and send up Headley”

"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays

by royaldaddy on Jun 11, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can't just "send up Headley"

He’s gotta pay his dues first. And by that, I mean he’s gotta act as a pinch runner at least once, Huber style.

This space intentionally left blank.

by marbotty on Jun 11, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure glad they are giving Huber his shot

And he’s really making the most of it. I wish we could have his great hitting on our team. :(

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 11, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huber

is their Ross Gload.

Except I’d be happy to have the younger Huber, and wouldn’t think his contract was a bad idea, and wouldn’t mind if he started more often.

by Stat Ninja on Jun 11, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last night was my son's first game

And it was vintage Royals. I would expect nothing less!

BTW, did you know you can get a certificate commemorating the fact that you have attended your first Royals game? I WAS HERE!

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 11, 2008 10:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

did you have to tell your son "Earmuffs" in the eighth and ninth innings?

Success is counted sweetest by those who ne'er succeed. - Emily Dickinson

by buddyball on Jun 11, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

I do not abuse my child.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 11, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not supposed this bad.

25-40, if Texas would sweep KC they would have a worse record than last year. A great back of the bullpen, a improved rotation, added power with Olivo and Guillen, a coach that stresses the fundi’s, Gordon and Butler emerging as the cornerstones of the franchise, ahead of last years pace 12-15 vs 8-18 at the end of April. What Happened?

Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.

by kcscoliny on Jun 11, 2008 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rany on Fundamentals
A few years ago, I came up with what I like to call Jazayerli’s Law of Fundamentals, which states:

"A team’s ability to execute the "fundamentals" is inversely correlated to the time spent discussing the importance of executing them."

You never hear the Yankees and Braves talking about how important it is for their players to execute the fundamentals – only teams like the Royals and Pirates. That’s not to say that good teams aren’t good at the fundamentals, because they are: good teams are good at everything. That’s why they’re good. The point is that when teams can’t stop talking about "fundamentals", it’s because they’ve reached the point of desperation – they don’t know what else to do.

link

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jun 11, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The person who profited from last nights loss

If you google image Scott Boras this is the second picture that pops up. How frickin unbelieveable is that, maybe Scott should look himself in his million dollar mirror and reevaluate things.

Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.

by kcscoliny on Jun 11, 2008 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I blame Adam Smith

“Wealth of Nations” and such. Had he never espoused the wonders of capitalism, perhaps the Royals would be flourishing under a socialist state.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 11, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back to mercantilism!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jun 11, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully not lost in the 8th inning disaster

was that Meche pitched a good game. The groundballs returned, and not coincidently, he allowed no home runs. Plus, his command was more on than off, and he only walked two.

by Gopherballs on Jun 11, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In all seriousness, this team has taken a step backward from 2007

in almost every facet of the game – the 2008 offense is much worse at scoring runs and from top to bottom 2008 bullpen is less talented and less consistent (excluding inserting Soria as closer). The 2008 rotation is better on paper than 2007’s from top to bottom in replacing Odalis and JDLR/Elarton/Forgotten scrub with Greinke and Hochevar, but Meche has regressed significiantly and Bannister has regressed slightly, which kind of negates the real gains made, especially when your offense averages just over 3 runs per game.

Sigh…I have litttle hope that the 2008 Royals can avoid last place in the AL Central.

True. Blue. Third Place in 2008.

by DC Royal on Jun 11, 2008 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly,

I think it’s kinda hard to blame Buck for that game last night. Personally, this one’s on Teahen, or, if you are more forward thinking than me, than perhaps it’s on Hillman.

Don’t take my word for it, jbrocato – I suggest you read ranyontheroyals’ post about last night’s game.

by loyal2sdad on Jun 11, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Key mistakes

Teahen did a little thing that had big consequences. He dropped a low throw. Does anyone care that on a routine grounder, Aviles made a throw to Teahen which was about six inches off the ground? That was also a little mistake which had big consequences. I’ll give most of the blame on that play to Teahen. A first basemen should pick that throw. But, by the same token, Aviles could easily have made a better throw (and should have).

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 11, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess

But most first basemen make that play. Shortstops make low throws all the time. It wasn’t in the dirt or anything.

I can’t blame Teahen too much. He’s playing a position that’s not his primary position. And it was 5-2 at that point. Tomko and Yabuta deserve far more blame. And Hillman deserves a lot of blame for putting them in there, instead of leaving Mahay in for one more batter or bringing in Ramirez.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 11, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

catching a baseball is a requirement for all positions on the field....

he didnt do it….natural 1b or not. its not like he went off the bag too far after a ground ball which would be excusable…he dropped a baseball thrown to him

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jun 11, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Teahen deserves most of the blame

But making a good throw is also a requirement for all positions on the field (and particularly SS). When a 1B drops a bad throw, it isn’t just the 1B’s fault. And of course that one drop wasn’t all or even most of what lost the game. Bad relief pitching really did the Royals in.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 11, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...the throw wasnt what it should have been...

but a throw that is very catchable, yet a couple feet too low is far less egregious of an error than dropping a ball my 10 year old brother would catch

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jun 11, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Teahen's mistake was worse

But I think your hyperbole was a bit much, even by hyperbolic standards. That ball was about 6 inches off the ground and thrown very hard. Do you really think your 10 yo could have caught that? If so, buy that kid a first baseman’s mitt. I wouldn’t say that it was an easy pick, but one he should have definitely made. At the same time, Aviles’s play was an easy one. A routine grounder and no need to rush anything. It’s a simple catch and throw play. No reason that throw should have been six inches off the ground. To be fair, Teahen’s pick (while a play he should have made) was somewhat difficult, while Avile’s throw should have been an easy play.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 11, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering how long it would take you NY

to break this one out? Come on pretty nitpicky. It wasn’t a pick the ball never hit the ground. Your real question should be why didn’t Teahan turn the glove over? How often during a game does a guy make a less than perfect throw that gets caught? NY you are TOO Critical of Aviles. His name shouldn’t be brought in the discussion for any 1b worth his salt that is ROUTINE. Turn the glove over. That being said that didn’t cost KC that game. Tomko building to momentum pretty much threw that game away.

Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.

by kcscoliny on Jun 11, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nitpicky? I gave it the attention it deserved

Aviles’s poor throw was an element in that play. Was he more to blame than Teahen? No. I made that clear from the beginning. But the quality of Avile’s throw on that easy play is relevant.

NY you are TOO Critical of Aviles.

In short, that is BS. So far Aviles has impressed me. The only flaw I’ve seen in his game so far is limited SS range. When he makes a bad throw, I’m not going to pretend it isn’t bad just because he’s hitting well so far.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 11, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

Teahen definitely should have made the catch, but Aviles’s throw was low on a relatively easy play….whatever, it all just sucks.

by I need more Esteban on Jun 11, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's one big thing here, though

Teahen had the ball IN his glove. If a bad throw glances off the tip of the glove, or is just out of reach, that’s one thing. But Teahen just flat dropped it, and it’s all on him as far as I’m concerned.

And you know the extent to which I will normally defend Mark.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jun 11, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably because your 10 year old brother is shorter

thus he’s closer to the ground.

Yes, Teahen should have caught it. But it was his first error, it’s not like he’s been dropping balls every time he’s at first. The bullpen also had plenty chances to get their fourth out of the inning.

by mazoboom on Jun 11, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The worst part of this blowup for me

is that it is exactly the same thing that happened in the 11-run game against the Yankees.

Imagine if our record if the bullpen could hold 4 run leads! 27-38!!

by mazoboom on Jun 11, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey by the Way

Can we see one of these graphs after a Win. I’m gettin depressed only seeing it after disappointing losses.

Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.

by kcscoliny on Jun 11, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+10

Excellent point. The only time we we get post-game threads is when the Royals have a crushing loss. “Let’s dissect a horrible loss and wallow in our misery/angst/whatever.” But when the Royals win, it goes without any special comment or perhaps a “it shouldn’t have been that close.”

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 11, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I know there is a lot of blaming

Hillman for last night’s lost. I was listening to 810 and Nate Bukaty was talking about that, last night, after Mahay pitched, Hillman essentially had 3 relievers to use. Yabuta, Tomko and Ramirez. He was saving Ramirez to be the “closer” so he went with the other guys to try and get out of those innings.

Looking at it like that, with a 5-1 lead, I think I would have had the same mindset and I really think that most others would to. With the way our bullpen has been worked recently, EVERYONE has to be used or injuries will start to pile up. Those crappy relievers didn’t get the job done, and once again Hillman becomes the scapegoat. I think it sucks, but I’m sure others have a different opinion.

by I need more Esteban on Jun 11, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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