Bad Article On The Royals By Jason Whitlock
So I've avoided posting during the losing streak. I didn't want to add to the pessimism. Now that the team is on a teeny little roll, I'll hazard a post.
I've been singing of the praises of Jason Whitlock for years---both to him (in many unsolicited e-mails) and others. I love his coverage of the Chiefs: nobody does it better. But this piece on the Royals and their shortstop situation is not a worthy addition to his oeuvre.
In Whitlock's defense, he was covering for Joe Posnanski in trying keep up with losing-streak commentary. But there's not a lot of baseball intellect in the piece. The thesis of the article seems to be that every organization must have a shortstop that functions as a kind of heart-of-the-team guy. They all must be like Derek Jeter, to use a recent example.
This is a flawed argument. I love Tony Pena, Jr.'s defense. I don't know his "zone rating," but I can imagine it to be pretty swell. But we don't need Tony to be a team leader---neither in the locker room nor even (other than calling off others) on the field.
To counter Whitlock's argument, I'll start with a mere nuts-and-bolts analysis. There comes a point when one's plate deficiencies override defense. If I'm thinking through my baseball history correctly, a defensive-oriented shortstop like Pena has to be capable of at least a .220-.250 average (without power) to justify his existence on the field and in the lineup. Pena is .070 below even this minimal standard.
But this only covers the numbers. Citing shortstop as a premier position for exhibiting the heart and soul of the team has no strong basis in baseball history. Who can remember the shortstop from the 2003 Marlins? Who was the shortstop for the 1985 Royals (this isn't a fair question on this site, but it makes a point)? Who was the Phillies shortstop in 1980? Who was the Yankees shortstop on those magnificent late 1970s teams?
Of course I'm aware of the examples cited in the piece, but there's no reason to rationally argue that problems at shortstop this year are ~the~ problem with this Royals team. The biggest flaw with the team---one that can't really be substantially corrected midseason---is its month-of-May hitting slump. Most of the lineup (excepting Gordon and Guillen---the Killer Gs?!) went in the tank. Period.
So Jason, I love you, but incorporate some more of your baseball intellect into your next piece on our beloved Royals. They had a bad May, but let's not add to their public relations problems with poor media coverage. - TL
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I thought the only articles he wrote were about race relations. He writes about sports? Baseball even?
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 2, 2008 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You forgot Jeff George
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Jun 2, 2008 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what i was gonna say
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by marbotty on Jun 2, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great minds waste time alike
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Jun 2, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy did I tire...
...of those Jeff George references. I’m glad he’s over that. – TL
by timlacy on Jun 2, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pena's RZR
and out of zone plays indeed confirm he’s been a good defensive shortstop.
This article was baaaaaaaaaad. “My little league team didn’t switch shortstops. The Royals switch shortstops. Hooray for my little league team!”
Spare me.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jun 2, 2008 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would you say...
...however, that his BA and OBP are such that he’s slipped into the loser player category? I’ve seen a lot of bad hitting-excellent defense shortstops in the past 25 years, but this year’s TP is at the bottom of that list. I feel that, after two full months, a losing record, and a long losing streak (the result of bad offense), we can’t afford the luxury that is Tony Pena. I could be wrong, but I’d accept an average or slightly above average shortstop for a consistent .250 average. – TL
by timlacy on Jun 2, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his last place little league team
he should have switched shortstops
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by marbotty on Jun 2, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best reason for the Royals to upgrade at SS
...is because in this era, only super-wealthy teams can afford a no-hit SS.
The Marlins won in 2003 with Alex Gonzalez (and in 1997 with Edgar Renteria). The Phillies won in 1980 WS with Larry Bowa, a 5-time all-star, at SS.
1985 (Buddy Biancalana and Onix Concepcion vs. Ozzie Smith) was a LONG time ago, folks! A new post-strike era began in 1995. Since then, small market teams like the Royals cannot afford above-average offense at 1B/DH/ OF/3B unless they develop it. Without at least above-average production from at those positions, a team cannot afford a no-hit SS.
On the other hand, teams with offensive strengths at C/SS/2B/CF (Twins, Indians, Tigers when Carlos Guillen was still a SS) can afford to have something closer to average from the major hitter’s positions and still contend. When TPJ became the starting SS for the Royals in each of the past two years, my hopes for seeing a competitive team in KC tanked. (The winning start was really nice to see anyway, and I enjoyed that for a couple of weeks.)
I’ve almost forgotten why anyone hated Berroa so much. He must have been a cancer in the clubhouse, too, because the numbers and salary are otherwise common sense reasons to play Berroa instead of TPJ.
- and considering the Cards technically should have won game six, Whitlock’s point applies to this WS also.*
- not that I mean to defend his point, but it has some merit sometimes and is moot other times.
by Stat Ninja on Jun 2, 2008 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
formatting
Hrm, not sure why some of it is bolded, and * and ** became bullets. Didn’t mean to seem like I was shouting at anyone in bold, though.
by Stat Ninja on Jun 2, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't a wealthy team
also afford a good ss?
i don’t follow the logic of separating by position.
whats the difference between:
900 ops ss and 700 ops 3b
700 ops ss and 900 ops 3b
sure ones harder to find/develop then the other, but if thats what you happen to produce, the position really don’t matter
by ZeppelinDZ on Jun 2, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of them do.
Sure, A-Rod was the most expensive FA ever when he was a SS. The Rangers didn’t have any money left for anything else, so they traded him to NYY, one of two teams that could afford him.
The White Sox had a marginal SS in terms of AVG/OBP when they won the WS, but when Uribe did hit, he brought more power to the table than any Royal at any position in the last year or two.
The logic of separating by position is based on replacement level. Your question suggests that the Royals already have both pieces or are able to develop them now, but that is not the case.
I hate OPS, but it is convenient to use this way for now. Let’s suppose that the average 3b OPS is 850 and 700 for SS while there is a signable FA 3b at or above league average and a SS below league average. In situation a, the team only needs to sign the available 3b to be well above average, but in situation b, the team has no options and is only slightly above average.
When a club signs a slightly above average middle infielder or catcher - even if the move represents an upgrade over what it had - the overall impact is not going to be very significant to the team’s production unless the other positions are filled by similarly above replacement level players.
by Stat Ninja on Jun 2, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you call yourself "Stat Ninja" because you fight stats?
Because your mode of analysis certainly doesn’t seem to be stat friendly.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jun 2, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except...
given that third base is any easier position to play than SS, why not look for someone who can hit there if you already have a Miguel Tejada/Derek Jeter/Hanley Ramirez (rules!) at short?
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jun 2, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: "Who remembers"
I understand your point, but I have to take issue with the examples.
Alex Gonzalez, because almost everyone remembers that by bizarre coincidence both teams in the NLCS had the same guy playing SS.
Everyone remembers Buddy Biancalana, not just Royals fans.
Larry Bowa wasn’t exactly a nobody.
And everyone also remembers Bucky F. Dent.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jun 2, 2008 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Middle Name Ferdinand?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 2, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fester.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jun 2, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, If You're
Named “Bucky”, I don’t think you can have a middle name. Jazz guitarist/wannabe crooner John Pizzarelli is Bucky Pizzarelli’s son. What must it be like to be son’o’Bucky?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 2, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I have a different...
...sample set on baseball memory here in Chicago, and nobody but me and my few KC fan friends remember Buddy Biancalana. He’s not achieved baseball immortality—-although he’ll always have a special place in my heart (and not just for his alliterative name). – TL
by timlacy on Jun 2, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
best/worst quote
“Great teams generally have consistent, gritty, reliable shortstops. David Eckstein won World Series MVP for the Cardinals.”
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by marbotty on Jun 2, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fun fact
Boston shortstop Julio Lugo, who now wears a World Series ring, was out hit in 2007 by Tony Pena Jr.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 2, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lugo
...played on the second-highest payroll at the time which included an MVP-calibre DH and at least one other player who was a viable MVP candidate. That sort of East Coast team and payroll can afford a no-hit SS, but the Royals cannot.
by Stat Ninja on Jun 2, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why can't
the Royals afford a “no-hit SS”? If the rest of the lineup is good, I don’t see why the Royals have to have a good SS. The Twins continually won the division in the early 2000’s w/ out a great shortstop (if my memory serves me right).
I’m not saying that TPJ’s hitting right now is acceptable, but a SS w/ great defense and a .220-.230 average isn’t bad when the rest of your team’s lineup is good.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 2, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
A good hitting SS with sufficient defense would be great, but it is exactly what a team like Royals probably cannot afford. That’s a scarce and expensive commodity. I’d love to have 5 aces in the rotation and sluggers at every position, but that gets a little pricey.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jun 2, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the only way
I’m not advocating A-Rod by FA, but maybe someone like Jason Bartlett. The SS in question needn’t be an All-Star, but not a liability. (Hey, look at the Rays with a league-average Jason Bartlett at SS…suddenly they’re winning !)
The no-hit SS strategy only works for big money teams who can afford to load up everywhere else to make up the difference—not just slightly above average players but multiple MVP candidates like Manny Ramirez AND David Ortiz AND a few top-5-at-position players like Varitek and Damon. The Royals aren’t going to develop and retain enough players to do all of that on their own.
by Stat Ninja on Jun 2, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you need the best mix of hitting and defense you can afford
I’m fine with a guy like Barlett. But hitting and fielding are both very important for the SS position. If all you can afford is a slick fielding, below average SS bat, then you can go with that and still win. This does not mean Pena. The Royals definitely need an upgrade.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jun 2, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins were better than you think
Jason Bartlett was the Twins’ SS the last time they won the division. He had a 99 OPS+. Their starting catcher won the batting title, and their first baseman won the MVP. Their backup catcher had an OPS+ of 102, and Cuddyer and Hunter were also considerably above average (comparable to Teahen’s and DDJ’s career best OPS+). When do you suppose that the Royals will have four players that far above average?
by Stat Ninja on Jun 2, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the point
if the Royals had production like that then a below-average hitting SS wouldn’t be the largest issue this fanbase discusses.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 2, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I had...
...known that when I wrote the post. C’est la vie. – TL
by timlacy on Jun 2, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Whitlock should never write about baseball
He’s a pretty good writer, often puts together a decent column and he knows football well. But he really knows very little about baseball or the Royals. Just about anything he writes about baseball is nearly unreadable and not even worthy of reading on the can.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jun 2, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what if
not even worthy of reading on the can.
i can’t afford toilet paper?
by ZeppelinDZ on Jun 2, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would work in a pinch
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jun 2, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think newsprint is
softer than the stuff they force on me at work
by ZeppelinDZ on Jun 2, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just a hunch, but...
...I think Whitlock only writes about the Royals when commanded by KC Star management to do so. He also writes with quality about college football and decently about basketball (NBA and college level). I think this is why this column stands out for being not so good. – TL
by timlacy on Jun 2, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite quote:
“Hell, I’m qualified to DH.”
...and I’m “qualified” to be president. yay me!
I have many leather bound books...
by juano on Jun 2, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
A horrible article on the Royals by Fatlock?
Shocker!
Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.
by doublestix on Jun 3, 2008 2:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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