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by Scott McKinney on Jun 22, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
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I thought this game would be worthy of a fangraph and post-game thread. Maybe we can revel in a big comeback victory.
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I was at the game
And how awesome it was!
I’ve never heard booing so loud as when that ump called Aviles out. It was a great atmosphere…it’s really fun to be a fan right now.
the game was fucking insane, wasn't it?
I loved it.
Are you ready, bitches????
by loyal2theroyals on Jun 22, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
I wonder what a playoff game would look like…
as do I
you’ve only got about 2 years on me. My dad’s started mentioning (constantly) that my generation has never truly experienced a winning franchise.
Are you ready, bitches????
by loyal2theroyals on Jun 23, 2008 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I grew up on the stories of those 70's and 80's teams as well
I was with my dad at the game, and he said that the atmosphere is just starting to feel like it did back then.
If that was just a taste, I need more.
10 games under .500 baby
i hope last night Hillman did something insprational after fridays loss
we need a classic glurge column from JoePo on this
+ backhanded compliments re: Gordon
to confirm my thesis
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 22, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yabu's complete suckitude was the key
enters a 10-5 game:
- K. Yabu relieved T. Lincecum
- M. Teahen singled to right
- J. Buck doubled to left, M. Teahen to third
- R. Gload singled to left, M. Teahen scored, J. Buck to third
- A. Callaspo hit for T. Pena Jr.
- A. Callaspo singled to center, J. Buck scored, R. Gload to secondbam 10-8, still no outs
Wow, what is that first line?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 22, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's accentuate the negative...even after a big comeback win
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 22, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No kidding
I like you, royalsreview, but come on man. Enjoy it!
i'm revelling in an opponent's struggles
isn’t that acceptable?
its not like i’m ripping davies or anything
"Yabuta's suckitude"
...is revelling in an opponent’s struggles?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 22, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops
I’m an idiot.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 22, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It bears repeating
I’m an idiot.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 22, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yabu Yabu Also
Bears repeating.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
is that like Major Major?
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on Jun 22, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Rec’d for a Catch-22 reference I used twice last week to baffled expressions.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 22, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
that must have been when I was in South Carolina
or maybe I would have caught it. One of the hardest books for me to get thru. I’ll bet it took me over a month. I tend to be pretty linear and that book is anything but linear. I’m a little better.
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
My favorite part
Is still the “apple cheeks” conversation Yossarian has with his friend in one of the early chapters. Been many moons since I read the book.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 22, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw a shot at the following:
Our record (legitimate, but let’s get caught up in the moment!)
Our manager
Our writer
Yabuta (somewhat deserved, but he’s a weaker part of a great bullpen)
Ah. I'm an idiot as well.
Strike it from my record!
We won!
Some gamethread comments from the loyal Royals fanbase
This game is ovahhhhhh.
Damn shame we had to give them two runs.
In the first inning
This is going to turn into a blowout
In the first inning
Down 5 runs to Lincecum
And we were playing so good up until this series. Blech.
In the first inning
They should refund the fans money for this game.
The team gave up in the first innning.
Clearly the just gave up. Quitters
Horrific game
Shit like this shouldn’t happen in the major leagues
In the second inning
Bad News Bears
That’s all I’m sayin’.
This was said without a hint of the irony that would come. The Bad News Bears turning things around too.
this ranks in the top 5 worst games of the season.
In the second inning
i feel sorry for anyone who paid to see this game…
As a Royals fan, I realize that KC isn’t going compete against the top talents of MLB
But I am so tired of the Royals sucking against other bad teams. Why is it that teams like Baltimore (and SF) roll over the Royals?
This after the Royals split the first two games against SF and was about 2 innings into the third game.
Royals fans give up on their team early and often.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
i didn't
post any of those comments, but I think that was pretty rational considering (1) TL was pitching, (2) Royals offense sucks, (3) Fulchino was just brought in.
Just goes to show how miraculous the Royals comeback win was. Really don’t think you should be dissing on those guys’ comments.
Calling it over and an embarrassment and the worst game ever in the first or second inning against a bad team?
Many Royals fans quit on the Royals several times a day. It’s all about emotion. “The Royals have broken my heart for years, so I’m going to get them back by talking shit about them every time anything negative happens.” There’s also a maturity issue here.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 22, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
the gamethreads are a wave of negativity. I still like going to them because I like talking about the game with other Royals fans, but sometimes it’s pretty rediculous how negative it is, even after the team is down a few runs. NYRoyal, I’m guessing that is why I never see you in the gamethreads?
by I need more Esteban on Jun 23, 2008 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's why
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
And it's why I walked away to go work on stuff yesterday
while still watching the game. There’s just a limit to how much wrist-slashing I can watch.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
Thanks
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
surely you can't be serious...
I personally said “this ranks in the top 5 worst games of the season.” and, yes, I’d rank being down 10-3 to SF with 2 errors in the first inning, buck-pena-gload in the lineup, and TL pitching, somewhere in that bottom 5 had things kept going in that direction. Also, there’s this thing called hyperbole…
But I didn’t stop watching. We had like a 20% chance of winning at that point. It’s not giving up; it’s facing reality. If you want to be PollyAnna and keep saying “don’t worry, we still have 20 outs, we can come back” go ahead. It’s just not very entertaining though.
Very serious
I personally said "this ranks in the top 5 worst games of the season." and, yes, I’d rank being down 10-3 to SF with 2 errors in the first inning, buck-pena-gload in the lineup, and TL pitching, somewhere in that bottom 5 had things kept going in that direction
So, what you’re saying is that it wasn’t “in the top 5 worst games of the season;” it was one of the worst first innings of the season. I’ll agree with that.
Also, there’s this thing called hyperbole…
There’s also a thing called overreaction. And in the first two innings, that gamethread was full of wild, crazy overreaction. What happened was the Royals fifth starter got shelled. That’s not an uncommon occurrence for any team. But when it happens to the Royals, many fans in the gamethread go up in arms. “My god this is the worst team ever. The fifth starter had a bad outing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I didn’t stop watching. We had like a 20% chance of winning at that point. It’s not giving up; it’s facing reality.
The “this game is over” and “this team has given up” crowd weren’t facing reality. They were being Chicken Littles, as always.
If you want to be PollyAnna and keep saying "don’t worry, we still have 20 outs, we can come back" go ahead. It’s just not very entertaining though.
First, I don’t do that. Second, if you think that constant bitching about every bad thing that happens in a game is entertaining, you’re living in a dream world. Third, even when I know the Royals have little chance of winning, I don’t give up on this team. I don’t tear into them like I hate them. I don’t harp on every negative thing. I try to have some objectivity and perspective. One can support one’s team without constantly bashing them, complaining, bitching and whining. I don’t know if you are one of the posters who do that in just about every gamethread, but there are many who do. And it’s not very entertaining.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It was the 2nd biggest comeback in Royals history.
I enjoy a game when you comeback from 10-3, I don’t enjoy being down 10-3 through two with the team playing like they are heavily medicated. I like this team. I love the pitching staff and most nights, 7 of the 9 guys in the lineup are rather decent hitters. We play good to great defense and most of our guys are “our guys.” Saying your team is having a bad day when they’re having a bad day is part of life. it happens.
There's nothing wrong with saying the team is having a bad day
Unfortunately, as always, the comments went way, way over the top. According to the uber-negative denizens of the gamethread, they were dead in the first inning. It was over. They had given up. This shows how little a fan knows about how a team feels and how hard they are actually trying. Had they given up in the first inning and then decided to try to win in 6th? Do you think they were sluggish in the early innings and suddenly got energized in the middle innings? Of course not. They were working hard and trying to win throughout the game. They just had less success early on and made some mistakes. They didn’t give up. But some Royals fans sure gave up on them. No big deal. Happens every game.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not gloating
It’s an object lesson in having perspective and not overreacting to every bad thing that happens in a game. But for some reason many Royals fans absolutely love doing that.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
I try.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You're welcome
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But still not
The best fans in baseball. Those fans are in St .Louis
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 23, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 for "soooo best"
Are we going to get a blow-by-blow (TWSS!!) account of the reuinion as a “story?” I can’t believe that wouldn’t rule as almost as much as Wayne Krivsky taking over the White Sox.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 23, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just one month, I know,
and I also realize that he’s probably had months as good or better
but how likely/unlikely is it that he’s having a breakthrough in power? His current isolated power for the season is higher than it has ever been (although just slightly compared to, e.g., 2006).
Also, he’s only 28. I know people here (including DDJ fans such as myself) sometimes sound resigned to the fact that, like it or not, it might be best if he’s traded for prospects before the team gets to be in contention. Thinking about him only being 28, and given that (whatever we might think) the DMGM/Hillman don’t think that Teahen can play CF (where his bat might fit better), well, if there is a chance Iand I realize the season is way too young and the sample size is too small, but I’m just speculating hypothetically here) he’s showing a new level of performance—might he be worth more than we’ve thought?
Just throwing it out there. YAY ROYALS!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 22, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i am certainly open to the possibility that he's having a mini break-out/career year
he might mature into a slightly better power guy as the years go on…
Most position players have a plateau which is near peak level through about age 33
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 22, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think he's going to settle into his 2005/2006 level
But he could certainly have a spike at 28. That not uncommon.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 22, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The window
Isn’t is true that, while the age 27 year understandably considerd the breakout year, that the “general range” for potential average breakout (or whatever, I think people know what I’m getting at) is a range from 25-29, with 27 falling in the middle of that and being most common? So it’s not like DDJ is all THAT old for that. (I’ll also admit that for some reason I thought DDJ was 29 until I looked it up today. Can I still be a Royals fan?)
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 22, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Terminology
Isn’t is true that, while the age 27 year understandably considerd the breakout year, that the "general range" for potential average breakout (or whatever, I think people know what I’m getting at) is a range from 25-29, with 27 falling in the middle of that and being most common?
If “breakout” means “peak year” then yes. The baseball community uses vague terms like “breakout” all the time without any clear understanding of what those words mean. For instance, “breakout” can mean “peak year” or it can mean they year in which a player emerges, when he breaks onto the scene and shows that he’s genuinely a good player. My feeling is that 2005 was that year for DeJesus and even if his stats are 15% better this year, I wouldn’t call it a “breakout,” I’d call it a “peak,” but this is all semantics.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 22, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I was at the game
and it never really felt like we were out of it to me. I tend to write off the team as often as the next guy, but today there was something about Lincecum that didn’t look right to me. Also, whoever was catching for the Giants may have been the worst defensive catcher I have ever seen. There were so many balls that he dropped even when he wasn’t letting them fly past them. Something like that has to get in the mind of the pitchers especially once the Royals started to come back.
Proud father of a budding Royals fan.
+1
Lincecum didn’t have it and those 1/2 hour innings probably hurt his control more than helped it. Then DDJ laying the boom to his ankle couldn’t have help much either. Lincecum flipped up like a soccer flop. One of those key hits to me was the Buck double off Yabu, that began a run of lefties on Yabu that he couldn’t get out of.
Great freakin game, it was Awesome with a capital AVILES
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
I saw on the replay that DDJ's elbow might have
done more damage to a “more sensitive” area and Linecum’s ankle.
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
Yeah really
It was a serious slide, including that arm coming up to make sure Lincecum wouldn’t be able to even think about taking a throw from the catcher on that play.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at the fangraph
Fans were justified in thinking the Royals chances of winning were rather low.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Jun 23, 2008 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
And, as I have repeatedly said
...these fans weren’t just pointing our that “the Royals chances of winning were rather low.” The comments were, as usual, way over the top, saying that the game was over, it was already one of the worst games in Royals history and that the team had quit. Those kind of comments aren’t about a rational recognition of how hard it is to come back from a 7-run deficit. It’s throwing an immature, emotional fit because the Royals broke their little hearts by having their fifth starter have a bad outing.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No one said it was one of the worst games in Royals history. They said it was one of the worst games of the season. A 10-3 loss probably would have been one of the worst losses on the season. 10-3 games usually are over. Teams come back from such deficits only a handful of times, and teams at a .430 winning clip do so even less.
Some people thought the team had quit. The play certainly wasn’t very inspired in the first two innings – sloppy play, stupid mental mistakes. Its understandable to think the team had quit, even though it turned out they didn’t.
When a team gets down 10-3, its very understandable for the fans to get frustrated and down. Do you seriously think fans of any other team are any different? You know why? Because teams that get down by seven runs rarely come back.
To come back the next day, after the team did post a miracle comeback and gloat and say “see, you should have never given up hope” is much more immature in my opinion. You’re trying to act like you’re some sort of uber-fan, always rational in thought, way above these peons that actually get passionate and irate about bad Royals play. This superiority complex is grating, and undermined by your complete allegiance to all things Dayton. As pessimistic and irrational as some fans may react to in-game events, you are just as wildly extreme at the opposite end of the spectrum with your doe-eyed irrational optimism.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 23, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Are you trying to give me more examples of emotional exaggerations, Retro?...because you certainly filled that comment with them
No one said it was one of the worst games in Royals history. They said it was one of the worst games of the season. A 10-3 loss probably would have been one of the worst losses on the season.
Exactly, that fan was calling it not only a loss in the second inning, but a sure-fire horrible blowout loss in the second inning. Not only could the Royals not possibly win, they wouldn’t even be able to make it close.
When a team gets down 10-3, its very understandable for the fans to get frustrated and down. Do you seriously think fans of any other team are any different? You know why?
Because most fans don’t think; they react. They react with their hearts and not their heads and blow up all over game threads with how horrible their team is and make wild negative exagerrations.
To come back the next day, after the team did post a miracle comeback and gloat and say "see, you should have never given up hope" is much more immature in my opinion.
Of course you do, because for some odd reason you want to defend the rationality and reasonableness of the emotional knee-jerk whackiness in gamethreads. Why don’t you just say that people get irrational and nutty in the emotion of the moment and post all kinds of craziness in gamethreads, but that you think that’s ok.
You’re trying to act like you’re some sort of uber-fan, always rational in thought, way above these peons that actually get passionate and irate about bad Royals play. This superiority complex is grating, and undermined by your complete allegiance to all things Dayton.
I’ll let the Dayton comment pass, because you’re just getting silly now. But no I don’t think I’m an “uber-fan” but I am going to call bullshit when I see it. When fans incessantly bash my favorite team, I’m going to step up defend my team against irrational, emotional comments which are devoid of rational thought, analysis or perspective.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You're defending your team
By citing a comeback win that defied rational logic and saying everyone should have had faith.
It was blind faith that you had in hoping the Royals would win, not rational logic. Look at the fangraph.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 23, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You just don't get it
My problem wasn’t that these fans didn’t think the Royals would come back to win. It wasn’t likely that they’d come back to win. I don’t think they were likely to come back to win. The odds were definitely stacked against them. But these fans weren’t just saying “boy, they’re playing like crap and it’s really likely that they’ll lose this game.” No, they did things like calling the game over in the top of the first inning (when fangraphs still gave the Royals at least a 33% chance of winning), calling it a certain blowout, saying they had quit and generally giving the Royals no chance. None. Those fans quit on their team, period.
It was blind faith that you had in hoping the Royals would win, not rational logic.
Interesting word usage there. If I had thought that they would win, or were even likely to win after going down by seven runs, then yes that would be blind faith, but of course I didn’t. Is it - as you said - mere blind faith to hope that the Royals win? Shouldn’t we all hope that the Royals win? Isn’t that what fans should do?
Again, my problem isn’t that fans thought the Royals would probably lose after going down by seven (I did too). It’s that they gave them no chance, and projected their hatred at the team by saying they had quit, when they obviously hadn’t. I try to be fair to my team. I give my team a chance. Many fans, for some reason, do not.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess
I read comments like this:
“calling the game over in the top of the first inning (when fangraphs still gave the Royals at least a 33% chance of winning), calling it a certain blowout, saying they had quit and generally giving the Royals no chance.”
as “boy, they’re playing like crap and it’s really likely that they’ll lose this game”
Maybe I’m wrong. I think you’re overreacting so you can build a pedestal for yourself as “The Best Fan in Baseball” and look down on us that have the audacity to be negative about a 33-43 team.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
I don't see how you could equate those two kinds of comments
Those two above kinds of comments are extremely different. The latter recognizes reality. The former takes reality, emotionally overreacts to it and greatly exaggerates it.
Maybe I’m wrong. I think you’re overreacting so you can build a pedestal for yourself as "The Best Fan in Baseball" and look down on us that have the audacity to be negative about a 33-43 team.
If you truly think that my motivation here is to build myself a pedestal and point out how great of a fan I am, then you have never been more wrong. What I’m doing is making a commentary (no matter how futile) about the shitty way many fans treat their team on this site. And no it is not just this site or this team’s fans. It is very common among fans of every team. They emotionally overreact and say or write irrational, exaggerated comments out of anger, frustration, betrayal and whatever else they are feeling because their team let them down. The odd thing is that they defend these purely emotional comments as somehow rational and reasonable. I don’t like it when people say irrational, unfair, crappy things about my favorite team, so I call them on it. The fact that it is Royals fans doing this makes it no less vexing.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It is vexing
How Royals fans could feel so angry, frustrated and betrayed after all the wins they’ve produced the last ten years.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
It always comes back to this
Sure they can feel it. That’s fine. And that will clearly lead some to emotional overreactions, and irrational, unfair posts. I wish they’d just recognize it and admit it instead of trying to defend such comments as rational, fair analysis.
And regardless of the historical source of such emotions, when unfair comments are made lashing out at this team and/or organizational unfairly, I’m going to call them on it.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
To be a fan you don't have to be rationale...
or logical or objective all the time. You can yell at your team when they’re losing and cheer when they’re winning. The Royals for a long period of time have a lost a lot more than they’ve won so there’s more negativity. I don’t know that lashing out at every fan for doing this really accomplishes much. I watch about 2/3 of the games and pay good money to see 5-6 a year in person. If I want to be negative I can and will be. If you don’t like it fine but you don’t need to chastise us for it.
Accomplishing
I don’t know that lashing out at every fan for doing this really accomplishes much.
I don’t know that any comments on a fan site “accomplish” anything. We all comment on the things we want to comment on. Sometimes I feel like commenting on the comments. It doesn’t accomplish any more or less than any other post.
If I want to be negative I can and will be. If you don’t like it fine but you don’t need to chastise us for it.
You can certainly be as negative as you want. We have complete freedom on this site to be as negative, positive or even indifferent as we want to be. But no opinion, attitude or comment is unassailable here. Anything said is fair game for comment, agreement or criticism. I saw a lot of really unfair Royals bashing and fans giving up on their team in yesterday’s game thread, so I decided to comment on it. Not because I’m going to change minds or alter behavior, but because I wanted to get my two cents in. It won’t change anything and I know that.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately
it does change things, for many people.
no opinion, attitude or comment is unassailable hereis true. But a few options come out of your “comments on comments”.
People repent, and follow the NYR doctrine much more closely even during the middle of a game. Conversations in pubs and bars are changed forever.
People resent, and we stop having free dialog about the game as it happens. People read the blog but stop commenting in order to not be beaten over the head with rationale and logic.
People vent, and do whatever they want. Joel, come back! We miss you!
I always enjoy hearing your “two cents” because it generally winds up being more like a buck-fifty worth of information. And I get just a frustrated with flighty fan banter as you. But policing game threads after the fact (or during) doesn’t seem to make any sense.
I’m picking up that you have some editorial power on this site, given to you by RR. If we had got to vote on granting that power, I definitely would have voted for YES (much of your analysis and comments feel insightful though I’m probably not qualified to tell if any of it is a load of crap).
But….after reading the site for a couple of years now…the room has a different tone when you are around. Be careful with this community that Will everyone has put together. Let’s make sure there is room for everyone’s opinion and voice not just stats from baseball prospectus.
I probably think you are irrational.
Its just a Pena backlash
Whenever KC runs that pieceoshort out there emotional reactions spike. I know the reaction of the people I was sitting by in the stadium wasn’t a good one when they announced he was in the lineup.
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
Those are fair points, kjfinkes
I’m sure much of what you said is true. However, I don’t think that I alter the discourse that much, particularly in game threads.
Let’s make sure there is room for everyone’s opinion and voice not just stats from baseball prospectus.
I think there is room for everyone’s opinions. I don’t know if it works this way, but if my presence causes people to think more before they post, that’s a good thing. If my presence stifles discussion or debate, that’s a bad thing. Undoubtedly some of both have happened, although I think it is probably only a little of both.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
But a few options come out of your "comments on comments".
You left out one option:
(d) anal goe
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We need to come up with a royalsreview dictionary (or at least glossary)
Somehow I never figured out “anal goe”. And we have a number of other unique terms as well, as well as unique turns on existing words.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the old timey Negro League uniforms are cool
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on the unis
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 23, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
which?
ugly or cool? or both?
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
cool
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 23, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
they look like the players rolled out
in the pajamas and decided to play a ballgame.
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
by loyal2theroyals on Jun 23, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
wait
is that a criticism or not
I’m easily confused
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 23, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Can anyone tell me who called Aviles out?
It looked at the game like the Giants’ catcher appealed to first base, and the home plate ump took it on himself to say he went around and called the strikeout.
No appeal, it was the home plate ump
As soon as the pitch came through and Aviles made his 1/4 swing (maybe 1/8), the home plate ump pointed at him (indicating that he swung) and called him out.
Home plate umps can and do make that call all the time, when they are sure of it. They don’t need to appeal it. He just screwed this call.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 22, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
GREAT!!!!!!!!!!! Game....
Just back from the neighborhood picnic… thank you FSN Midwest for letting us watch this game. It was fantastic. The other neighbor called in 8th to find out if everything was all right with all the yelling and screaming that was going on. He is not a baseball fan.
You could just feel the momentum change with DeJesus stealing home on the pass ball. The little Timmy self destructed. I loved that you could see it in his face.
It is time for the victory scotch and water. Again, great game…. last year we would have folded in the third and slunk out of the ball park with our bats between our legs. Maybe a new manager does make a difference… Go Blue…. I am drinking the good scotch after this come from behind win.
Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call. "
i'm basking in the glow of 10 games under .500!
go royals! actually, i still hold out hope we can make a run at .500. we do get to play the NL the rest of the year, right?
How about our guys at the plate!
Lots of them are having very solid at bats, drawing walks and waiting on a good pitch
BOD today is going to be fucking impossible
not that anyone’s still around here to reply to this comment ;)
Are you ready, bitches????
by loyal2theroyals on Jun 22, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
forever and ever and ever plus one.
duh.
Are you ready, bitches????
by loyal2theroyals on Jun 22, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
considering that I have to get a BOD up and work on homework, I will probably let you win this one
Are you ready, bitches????
by loyal2theroyals on Jun 22, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
spoiler post
me last now
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Jun 22, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
amateurs
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
Now bring me two shrubberies
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 22, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have a Herring.
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Jun 23, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Turned it off in the third
Turned it back on in the sixth. Pretty amazing to watch.
Also tells me that the Giants are really, really, awful.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
At least that bullpen is
Makes me appreciate what we do have, hitting deficiencies notwithstanding.
....because if the Royals come back on a team, then that team must be really, really awful?
Maybe the Royals are playing better now. Maybe the Royals aren’t completely awful. Just a thought.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you watch the game?
The Giants looked really bad, making sloppy plays in the field, and sporting a really bad lineup and a really bad bullpen. They are really, really awful. The Royals, for as great as the comeback was, didn’t exactly play well either.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Jun 23, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I watched the game, every pitch.
And yes, mistakes were made. Such is the nature of just about every major league game. I’m just trying to give credit where credit is due.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Without Doing Any
In-depth research, a check of Baseball Reference seems to show the Giants’ bullpen to be at least mediocre, certainly not terrible. Yabu (39 years old?) is sporting a 2.75 ERA, and no one we faced is over 5.00. I know ERA can be deceptive, but it’s usually a pretty good indicator af absolute suckitude.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 23, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't get it
If the Royals got a bunch of hits and scored a bunch of runs, they must suck. That Lincecum kid gave up 5 runs in 5 innings. Clearly he sucks too.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right, my bad
The Giants 32-44 record in the NL is a mirage. They are really teh awesome.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Jun 23, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
So the Royals get no credit for a big comeback win and for taking the series?
Please.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I say that?
I said the Giants suck.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Jun 23, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What you said
Also tells me that the Giants are really, really, awful.
That sentence didn’t have a subject, and I inferred that the implied subject was the Royals big comeback, as in: “The fact that the Royals came back from seven runs down to win also tells me that the Giants are really, really awful.” Is that what you meant? If not, I apologize for the misinterpretation.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Teams that blow seven run leads
In ugly fashion like that, are usually pretty terrible.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
I see
So it isn’t their record or stats which you were referring to. It was the fact that the Royals came back to win. My point is that two things happen in a big comeback win. One team performs badly and one team performs well. (I’m not saying it was an overall well played game by the Royals, but they clearly did some things right). So, the Giants get credit for their poor performance, and the Royals get credit for their good performance. That is, if we want to be fair to the Royals.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
My Point Was
I don’t know much about the Giants’ pen, but from what I see in a quick glance at ERA and counting stats they don’t look too bad.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 23, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
For anyone who watched the game
It was a great comeback but it was also one of the worst played games (on both sides) I’ve seen in quite sometime. The Royals had 7 mental/physical errors during the game, the Giants had at least 5-6. That was the worst played defensive game I’ve seen in a long time. Then the umpiring compounded things, Welke’s strikezone and attitude were ridiculous.
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
The Royals do have three very good relief pitchers
(and a 4th on the DL)
When those three are available, leads are pretty safe after the 6th inning.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I Was Expecting
Ten scoreless innings, ending with a bases loaded HBP by Teahen in the 17th, just to totally wreck our bullpen.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 23, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ron Mahay
Really turning out to be an excellent signing. I don’t remember my impressions of the signing at the time, but if I doubted DM, I was surely wrong. He has been much better than I expected.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
Me too
I agreed with Rany (I think) in thinking that it was pointless (which is different from saying that Mahay sucks), but he’s been really good as a left-handed setup guy.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
That was supposed to be a comment on RRetro's post
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 23, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Devil_fingers
Has been placed on unconditional release waivers.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
What would be awesome
Is if conditional waivers had like really weird conditions to them.
Like, “we place you on waivers….UNLESS you can drink an entire gallon of milk in half an hour.”
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
Things were different back in the old days
I’m reading a biography of one of the pioneers of professional baseball, Harry Wright. He was a player, player/manager, and then manager back in the 19th century. One of his pitchers hurt his shoulder early in the season and couldn’t play for the remainder of the year. So Wright kept him on the team, paying his salary, but he worked as the groundskeeper.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Was the pitcher a Scotsman from North Kiltown?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 23, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That was back in the day when most players were Irish
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They Were Blouse
Wearin’ poodle walkers.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 23, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But has he been here long enough for his entire contact to be guaranteed?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You're laughing now
But I just got a call from Ned Colletti. I’m starting in center this Saturday. RR is on the hook for my salary.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jun 23, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
shyte
You should at least mow the outfield at the K before you go.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 23, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me guess...
You’re better than Gathright, worse than DDJ?
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