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Pro-Tony Pena Media Bias

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I don't even need to go into the statistics for you guys.  We all understand how historically bad Tony Pena Jr. is.  Even most sane sports journalists understand that concept that you can't have a hitter in your lineup that bats worse than pitchers.  Even if he plays good (although not VERY good) defense.  Just when we all had pretty much forgotten (some of us may never forget) about TPJ, thank God, he reappeared in Trey Hillman's lineup Sunday afternoon.  The reason we forgot about him, Mike Aviles, was moved to 2nd for the game.  Nothing wrong with the move here, except for the fact that Tony Pena was playing again.  In the game, Pena was taken out of the game in favor of pinch-hitter Alberto Callaspo during the Royals 5-run comeback inning (seemingly the first time Trey has realized the proper time for pinch-hitting for TPJ and having it work).  But, here we are.  The day after.  What do we have?  The media again heaping praise towards Tony Pena.  The Royals.com preview for tonight's game has the headline, "Pena provides Royals with fresh infield option" with a caption that states, "Proving capable his last outing, Tony Pena hopes to get another chance tonight when the Royals face the Rockies in interleague play."  In today's Royals rundown in the KC Star headlined, "Mahay gives Royals bridge to closer," the third heading section is about Pena's return to the lineup and his new comfort with his swing.  TPJ is quoted as saying, "I'm just trying to feel comfortable, see the ball and not force anything.  I feel better than what I've been feeling."  Well, isn't that great?  To make it more unsettling, Hillman says, "Hopefully we can get him more comfortable with his swing.  Mentally, he's been strong.  He has a good attitude."  I hope Hillman is talking about these things in an attempt to distract us from Pena's terrible play and recent lack of playing time.  He still should not see the field.  Aviles is the reason why, even if he is not the future at SS.  But the bigger issue I see is this: Why is TPJ in the news the day after the stunning 11-10 win?  He played 5 innings.  He hasn't played in weeks.  Why are we hoping for him to return?  Is there optimism about TPJ?  While we can all agree we love TPJ's enthusiasm and love of the game, we can also agree that he is a bad baseball player.  Let's stop plugging him as a useful part of this team royals.com and KC Star.

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Did you watch the draft on ESPN?

It’s all about bloodlines. That’s the most important thing in baseball. If your relative didn’t play baseball in the past, then you probably don’t know what you’re doing.

Kansas City Royals: the 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions.

by mazoboom on Jun 23, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lefebvre LOVES TPJ

Probably because Pena has never threatened to kick his ass. But he loves his defense. He also mentioned during the game that this time off will be good for Tony’s bat and will help him get his head on straight.

To be fair, Lefebvre also seems to like Aviles a good deal. But Aviles doesn’t provide the veteran leadership of Gload, the defense of Pena, or the havoc on the bases that Joey provides. All he does is hit extra base hits, which is boring.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 23, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pitchers are much more terrified of base havoc

they don’t care about doubles

doubles are nothing

(side bitch: why doesn’t ANYONE with a microphone ever mention that a guy trying to steal frequently throws the hitter’s at bat off, makes him swing or take pitches out of sequence, makes the time between pitches irregular and longer, etc etc?)

by royalsreview on Jun 23, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is There A

Stat on hitters’ BA in hit and run situations? Just as pulling the infield adds 100 points to a hitter’s BA, how much does hitting on a hit and run subtract?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jun 23, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It probably has to do with batters swinging "to protect the runner"

...as well as the forced swings on hit-and-runs (I absolutely hate the hit-and-run. It’s a low percentage guess/gamble.)

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 23, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like Woody Hayes

Said of the forward pass, “Three things can happen, and two of them are bad”.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jun 23, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lefebvre Love

was also directed at the great John Bale. RL kept trying to make a case that Bale had been providing quality starts even though he was well beyond the parameters of that stat. This was during the early innings of Bale’s last start in Seattle, by the way. I kept wondering what wouldn’t be a quality start to RL after a few times through that ridicurant of his.

by Stat Ninja on Jun 24, 2008 12:46 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guess what?

I bet all of the people who are plugging TPJ in their copy are also America-hating liberals. All of this TPJ love is just further proof that there is a liberal conspiracy in our media.

Seriously. Who the hell cares if TPJ is getting ink? If Hillman gets quoted tomorrow as saying “I played TPJ because my team’s website told me to,” I might care, but as long as TPJ remains behind Aviles for the time being, I’m not going to read too much into a team’s PR attempts to keep one of their former starters even mildly relevant to their fanbase.

by DarthYoshi on Jun 23, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its pretty clear

He played Aviles because Royals Review told him to. Why wouldn’t he play Pena because of the Star? Clearly he is subject to the whims of the proletariat.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 23, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very suspicious for a man who has accepted Jesus in his life

to be so sympathetic to the proletariat. I say, open an investigation on the man.

I bet NYRoyal would make an awesome Joe McCarthy.

(All in jest.)

by DarthYoshi on Jun 23, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At Long Last,

Has NY Royal no shame?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jun 23, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yikes!

You cut me to the quick, sir. You might as well compare me to Bush or Cheney. How dare you! How dare you, sir.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 23, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, the real issue is playing time, not media coverage

If Hillman plays him too much, that’s a problem. And Pena getting an occasional/rare start in a day game after a night game isn’t a big deal.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 23, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good points.

Apparently if you say his plus plus defense saves a run a game long enough and often enough they think we’ll believe it. All they ever mention on his struggles with the bat is his batting average. OBP and Slugging are not even mentioned.

by djk royal on Jun 23, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish all of the mainstream media would stop talking about batting average

Unless they want to get into a discussion of the amount of their OBP and SLG which comes from their BA, there’s really no point in telling me that a guy is a .270 hitter.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 23, 2008 4:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're Starting To

Mention OBP fairly often, and I’ve even heard OPS a couple of times, but true enough, good old BA still rules.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jun 23, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kudos to FSN Kansas City

For showing OBA for nearly every player.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 23, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if the mainstream sports media will ever get around to putting a player's 3-slash stats on the screen?

It wouldn’t be difficult to put BA/OBP/SLG on their along with HR and RBI.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 23, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

John Miller mentioned OPS last night

pronounced it “ops” (like Op Center) and then chuckled with Morgan

by royalsreview on Jun 23, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love those guys

Miller: Ya know, Joe, lots of people have come up with a bunch of new baseball stats, like ops, slug and something called equa.

Morgan: Yeah, that’s true and it’s all nonsense. All you have to do is watch the game. That tells you how good a player is. And of course only one stat counts: wins. Stats tell you that David Eckstein isn’t very good, but everyone can tell he’s a ballplayer. And he’s got those rings! No stat is going to tell me he isn’t a great player.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 23, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Royals.com and the KC Star aren't going to be critical of Royals players

Royals.com was very midly positive about him, but the team’s official site is going to be positive about everyone. The KC Star basically just mentioned that he played and gave a quote from him and Hillman. Pretty standard stuff. It’s not like they are singing his praises.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 23, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

I just want TPJ out of any Royals coverage because it reminds me that he is on our roster. Anything positive or suggesting that we want him to be more a part of our building process is just garbage. TPJ bobblehead night? Seriously Royals, pick someone actually part of the core. Even last year could not have convinced people that TPJ was here for the long haul, someone deserving of a bobblehead. This post is just my continued hatred of how TPJ gets a free pass. Media bias is just something I like throwing out there as a die-hard conservative. haha.

Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.

by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 23, 2008 4:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ryan "No, I didn't say that Mr Bradley, sir...." LEFEVERB

Dude waxed poetic about TPJ’s leather, etc….said the Royals really “need to get him going,” and I don’t think he meant going as in the Tomko route. I’m sure TPJ is super cool, and I dig his shades, etc….. but give me a redneck, jughead, ball blasting loser like Lance Berkman, for instance, I’ll take the stats anyday over the silky smoove TPJ big in the locker room types…..I can put up with personal goofiness for some sweet OPS +.

by Nighthawk at the Diner on Jun 23, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think most of us would prefer Berkman to TPJ

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 23, 2008 11:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm going to have nightmares about the LeFebvre comment tonight

He just said, "while it’s been fun watching Mike Aviles at short. He’s made most of the plays and can swing the bat. But for the long term, the Royals need TJ to come around." Get this into your heads Royals people. TPJ is not the answer to anything!!! He has never shown competency at the plate. Last year is an aberration in his professional career. And it wasn’t even good enough to warrant any kind of ‘SS of the future’ talk.

Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.

by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 24, 2008 12:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What really irks me...

he’s not even THAT good with the glove. From the sound of it, you’d think he was the bastard child of Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel. In truth, he has excellent range but is a very average SS from that point on. In no way shape of form does his glove make up for the fact that he is easily the worst hitter in ML baseball.

by Big Guy on Jun 24, 2008 11:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I assume you mean "worse hitter except for Adam Dunn"

And at least he hasn’t been the worst starter for years in a row like John Buck

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jun 24, 2008 1:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I assume you are being facetious

Or channelling Ricardi?

Pena is OPS less than Dunn’s OBP. And there is the matter of Dunn’s 18 HRs. Personally, I appreciate what Dunn is doing to lower his FA value for next year. We might actually have a shot at getting him to come here and 1B/DH opposite Butler.

by Big Guy on Jun 24, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jun 24, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm glad for this thread

I, too, heard RL and Splitt talking about how Aviles was doing fine, but for the long-term good of the club, TPJ needed to get going, etc.

WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT.

I agree with NYRoyal in that it’s OK for Pena to spell at SS on occasion, but Aviles still played last night, so I’M NOT OK WITH THAT! Callaspo should have been at 2B, with Aviles at SS. The only time I want Pena in the lineup is if AVILES needs a day off.

by loyal2sdad on Jun 24, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why German?

Stevo is only hitting a couple hundredths of a percentage pt better than Pena and he can’t field a lick. At least Pena has a glove. I’m not saying I want either in the lineup much, but German certainly shouldn’t get a pass. He’s not even real gritty.

Personally, I’d rather see Teahen at 1st (or Butler) with Gathwright in the OF instead. Gload needs to see less PT overall.

by Big Guy on Jun 24, 2008 2:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really disagree on Gathright as a regular

I think Gator’s optimistic upside is 4th OF.

Teahen’s Bat isn’t worth enough at first, he needs to keep playing OF to develop his skills.

But, anyway, I don’t think German has had enough at-bats to judge him this season, and past performance shows that he can at least get on-base as well or better than anyone else on the Royals at the moment. He’s fine until the Royals get someone else to play 1B/DH with Butler. That also keeps German out of the OF.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jun 24, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's what we have.

Teahen’s bat at first is better than Gload’s, though. It’s the best we have available (until Butler gets called back).

And Gathwright’s bat in the outfield (not to mention defense and speed) are better to have than German’s. When Teahen subs in at 1st, Gath should be in the OF. Not to mention the player development aspect.

German is veteran who has always been a sub, so why do we think the problem with him this year is lack of regular PT?

by Big Guy on Jun 24, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

66 at-bats doesn't mean anything -- do we think Guillen's first 66 ABs this season indicated anything?

German’s career line is .275 /.359 /.378 for a 93 OPS+ in 796 ABs

Gathright’s career line, including last year’s unprecedented (and I’d bet money unrepeatable) performance: .262/.325/.305 67 OPS+ in 1063 at-bats. Less on-base, walks, SLG, ISO…

Gathright is 27 and has more at-bats than the 30 year-old German—he’s had plenty of “development” as a hitter. He might have more trade value for some reason (SPEED!!111), but I think the lineup with German is going to score (slightly) more runs, and the defensive disadvantage will be negligible.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jun 24, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ron Weasley

That’s good. Rec for that one.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 24, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks, but

that bastard Rany came up with it last year

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jun 24, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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