Callaspo arrested for DUI
I hope neither Hillman nor Moore overreact to this.
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Who does he think he is, a Chiefs player?
I”m guessing probably a short suspension – maybe three games?
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 27, 2008 4:15 PM EDT 0 recs
Is there a precedent for this?
I’m sure many MLB players have gotten a DUI during the season over the past 10 years. How were they treated? Did they get small suspensions? Seems fair, I guess.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 27, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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If he is suspended
do we recall butler and give him another shot?
Royals + Chiefs = Jack Daniels
by Belly Butlard steals home! on
Jun 27, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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We should recall him anyway
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jun 27, 2008 4:21 PM EDT
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You recall Butler and give him about 10 shots or so
and make Callaspo the DD for the night
True. Blue. Third Place in 2008.
by DC Royal on
Jun 27, 2008 6:27 PM EDT
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Ouch
Not a good idea there, Alberto. With any luck, this isn’t the start of a problem.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jun 27, 2008 4:21 PM EDT 0 recs
The good news is that his wife was not involved in any way
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 27, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
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Maybe indirectly
She could have led him to drinking. I’ve heard marriage does that…
by jsolo on
Jun 27, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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If so, then he handled marital frustration in a better way this time than last time
Next time, he needs to improve his reaction just a bit more.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 27, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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"She just makes me so mad sometimes?"
If you have any friends who work in marriage counseling, this is a frighteningly common “explanation” for certain behaviors.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jun 27, 2008 4:32 PM EDT
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Eek
That sounds fun
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jun 27, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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I did say that once when my wife accidentally threw out my George Brett Rookie card
Am I allowed to get emotional over that?
by jsolo on
Jun 27, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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You're allowed to do everything short of kicking her in the ass
(which is what Callaspo did to his wife, IIRC)
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 27, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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literally?
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
by mazoboom on
Jun 27, 2008 7:03 PM EDT
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I believe I read that, yes
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 27, 2008 11:18 PM EDT
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As far as I know
There are no MLB-mandated suspensions, and teams rarely suspend, at least according to this Keith Law piece from a while back that everyone should read if they haven’t already.
We don’t know the circumstances. I hope they don’t overreact, but clearly, the MLB has never overreacted to this. It would be nice if they set a precedent and actually gave him any sort of suspension.
Of course, teams do tend to have “zero-tolerance” for people with drinking/drug problems or domestic violence problems—that is, when they can’t hit/pitch effectively anymore, they make a big statement about how “we don’t tolerate that here” and cut them. So this might end up telling us more about how Moore views Callaspo’s abililties than about anyone’s moral fibre.
I’d like to think I’m being overly cynical (and I’m sorry for my self-righteousness here), but baseball has yet to prove me to be such on these issues. Brett Myers, anyone?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Jun 27, 2008 4:31 PM EDT 0 recs
I nominate
“Moonshine” as one of Alberto’s nickname possibilities.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jun 27, 2008 4:33 PM EDT 0 recs
or
CALLaPO
Royals + Chiefs = Jack Daniels
by Belly Butlard steals home! on
Jun 27, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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Precedents
Scott Spiezio was released, but he sucked and was in a hit-and-run, much worse
Rafael Furcal had 2 DUIs – not sure what punishment he had
Scott Olsen had a DUI last year – not sure the punishment
Richie Sexson had a DUI – not sure the punishment
Tony LaRussa had a DUI – didn’t Bobby Cox have one?
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 27, 2008 4:38 PM EDT 0 recs
Yes, DUI's are quite common in baseball as in every other profession
I just can’t recall MLB teams suspending their players for it. It may well have happened, especially short suspensions; I just don’t remember it happening.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 27, 2008 4:39 PM EDT
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Nah, Bobby just "allegedly" slapped around his wife
If I recall correctly - and this is a big shocker - she later dropped the charges. So I’m sure it didn’t happen.
I think we can safely assume that there are no league- or team- mandated punishments for DUIs until we hear otherwise. Law says there weren’t any when he wrote the articule, and I haven’t heard anything since then.
I’m probably a bit “mainstream” in that I feel like the blogosphere has overreacted to the “mainstream media’s” overreaction to steroids, but, geez, a guy can get suspended for 50 games for privately using ‘roids, but gets off scott free for doing something much more likely to kill someone?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jun 27, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
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+1
It really doesn’t make that much sense.
And for the record, I’m very glad the steroid witch hunt is over for now.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jun 27, 2008 6:07 PM EDT
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Maybe Bobby's wife
Just ran into a door?
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jun 27, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
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+1 for classic excuse
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jun 28, 2008 1:10 AM EDT
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Not impressed
Given Callaspo’s arrest last year, I’m inclined to cut him less slack. I think a suspension and/or fine is in order. This guy isn’t impressing me with his decision-making/ behavior and the organization should let him know that they expect much better. It’s not too much for the team to require its players to be professionals and behave appropriately (which would mean not breaking laws against wife beating and driving under the influence).
by cookierojas73 on Jun 27, 2008 7:21 PM EDT 0 recs
And
Its not like a suspension would cost us. Its not like we play him.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jun 27, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
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I have a question
I don’t think this is the final word on the issue, but I’ll ask anyway. If you got a DUI some evening completely unrelated to your job, do you think your employer should suspend you for a few days without pay?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 27, 2008 11:20 PM EDT
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Honestly
Unless the situation will result in my missing work, it’s none of my employer’s fucking business.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jun 27, 2008 11:22 PM EDT
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That's kind of what I was thinking
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 27, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
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Of course, my answer was facile
because the question was (deliberately so, I realize). ;)
There are a couple of relevant things to note.
1) I have never been paid to “represent” an organization. Nobody expects me to be a role model, and nobody requires that I maintain some semblance of goodwill with the public. When I had a job, anyway, I showed up, I sat at my desk, I did my job, I went home. I could have been charged with murder and it STILL wouldn’t be my employer’s concern short of “Hey, going to need to take a few weeks off so they can decide my fate. If I’m innocent, will I still have a job?” But when you represent a company, and your image impacts their revenue, then you don’t get quite the same level of job-related privacy.
2) The severity of the offense is relevant. For instance, I think it is absolutely appalling that sports media even reports on players getting speeding tickets. On the other hand, I don’t think Michael Vick got “too much” attention, and I even recall thinking that Rae Carruth wasn’t getting enough.
So if they fine or suspend him, I have no problem with it.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jun 28, 2008 9:22 AM EDT
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I think they should suspend him
My employer wouldn’t care, but then again, if I get a DUI it doesn’t make the Kansas City Star.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jun 28, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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Why isn't it your employer's business?
If you were the owner of a small business, for example, and one of your top employees was arrested for driving drunk (a year after he was arrested for domestic violence against his wife), that wouldn’t concern you? Wouldn’t it make you think twice about this individual’s judgment and reliability, as well as his character? Perhaps fining or suspending the person might not be something you’d do…I’m guessing that it’d be more likely that you might actually fire him. We’re not talking about speeding tickets here.
If I were the Royals I would suspend Callaspo for a few days. While the guy may not ever be destined for sainthood, he sounds like he really needs to talk to someone about the privilege of being a well-compensated professional athlete and the unique responsibilities that come with it.
I’d also be very surprised if Callaspo’s arrest last year didn’t factor into their decision (at least to some degree) to trade him in the offseason.
by cookierojas73 on
Jun 28, 2008 10:24 AM EDT
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Because my private life is none of my employer's business. Period.
Should it be my employer’s business if my wife is cheating on me (or I’m cheating on her)? How about if I lose $10K betting on the Super Bowl? What if I like to download really filthy (albeit legal) porn? What if my employer is a devout Christian, should I be required to tell him that I don’t go to church (and thus give him cause to doubt not only my judgment but my very moral character)?
Your private life, no matter what your job, is none of your employer’s damned business unless your actions impact your employer directly. Period.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jun 28, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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Baseball is different though
Because the public image of an athlete IS the employer’s business.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jun 30, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
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Yes
which is why I said it wouldn’t bother me if he got suspended or fined.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jun 30, 2008 11:00 PM EDT
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Would you apply the same logic to domestic abuse issues?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jun 28, 2008 1:11 AM EDT
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I don't know
I have strong opinions on a lot of things. But I don’t have a really strong opinion on how professional sports teams should handle the illegal/inappropriate acts of their players off the field with no relation to baseball. On the one hand I feel like professional sports should take the rampant wrongdoing of their players seriously (football has had a huge problem over the last 10 years with a hell of a lot of domestic abuse and various other violent and semi-violent crimes). On the other hand, I don’t think a professional sports team should be the moral arbiter of everything a player does when he’s away from the team.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 28, 2008 1:31 AM EDT
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Moral judgment is a different issue
I had a longer message written almost all the way, then realized that rhetoric might be misinterpreted and/or open up a whole bunch of other issues that aren’t worth getting into here. I’ll try to just make some general points, some of which we may agree on, some which we may not. They aren’t meant to be a sequential argument, just a series of things I think might be relevant.
I’m not claiming that I know exactly where to draw the line and what appropriate punishments should be, however, I will say that I don’t think that a small fine and/or suspension would be out of line (if “internal due process” if followed by the Royals) in cases such as these.
1. I think we probably agree that the team doesn’t need to be the “moral arbiter” regarding whether or not drunk drivin is right or wrong. It’s clearly wrong, given that it killed over 17,000 people in 2006. That’s many more people than were killed in domestic abuse situations.
2. The “moral/legal judgment” issue aside, there is a potential PR problem here for teams. True, fans don’t seem to care all that much when they or their loved ones aren’t being run down, but there is a reason that Roger Goodell and David Stern take player behavior so seriously off of the court—the money at stake in the image of the league as a whole and the players in particular, who generate money based on their public image. Cynical, but true. While it is irksome that the NFL, for example, got off so lightly in the annoying “steroid hearings” in Congress, it seems to me that on this issue, Stern and Goodell have taken a more proactive stance than Selig. Yeah, someone being more forward-thinking than Bud, I’m shocked, too.
3. Law’s piece is anecdotal, but does make some disturbing points with regard to the cavalier attitude toward not just drinking (I’m not worried about a few beers or something), but alcoholism in the game. This isn’t the first time it has come up. That’s a reason for attention.
4. We obviously don’t know what Callaspo’s situation is, if this is an isolated incident or whatever. But sometimes people need a “warning shot” (it’s too late for me to come up with a decent turn of phrase). Maybe a small fine or suspension is the kind of thing that will make him think twice next time. Cynically, the team has too much invested in its players, not just PR-wise, but in terms of money and talent and the future to let them get derailed in drugs and alcohol (if that is where this might go). Less cynically, if Callaspo is prone to making poor decisions like this (again, I’m speculating), then the time to wake him up is now, before it aversly affects his career and his life (and the Law piece leads me to believe that baseball teams aren’t doing much of that with players at this point.
Sory for the fuzziness and fluffiness, I need to go to bed. I remember reading the Law piece when it came out, and it really effected me. It’s funny—while I’ve never been much of a drinker, I always found the over-the-top emotionalism and irrational approach of all the MADD/SADD rallies I had to go to in high school beyond annoying. But Keith Law, many years later, gets me going…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jun 28, 2008 2:15 AM EDT
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I can't disagree with that
I wouldn’t really mind a modest fine or suspension (of course it would have to be something which is either allowed by some clause in his contract or by the collective bargaining agreement). These decisions just require very difficult line drawing. If players get fined/suspended for a DUI where there is no accident and no one gets hurt, how about for reckless driving? Speeding in a school zone? Getting into a shoving match in a bar? These aren’t really arguments against fining/suspending Callaspo for the DUI. They just point to the difficulty of the issue. I wouldn’t want to be a GM who has to make these kinds of decisions.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jun 28, 2008 2:39 AM EDT
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