May Numbers: The Pitchers
The Royals went 10-19 in May, thanks in large part to an offense that was among the worst in the American League. The pitching staff, after a flaming hot start however, was not blameless either, as Royal hurlers have struggled for well over a month now. While overall the team's pitching numbers have been trending downward for a long time, the Royals nevertheless posted a slightly better monthly ERA in May (4.41) than they did in April (4.78).
Before looking at the May splits, it's worthwhile to take a look at the starter/bullpen breakdowns for the entire season.
| IP | BAA | K/BB | ERA | |
| KC Starters | 341,1 | .274 | 2.17 | 4.77 |
| AL Average | 340 | .264 | 1.95 | 4.25 |
| KC Bullpen | 159.2 | .236 | 2.25 | 3.89 |
| AL Average | 168 | .247 | 1.91 | 3.77 |
There's a lot to digest there, and I didn't even include K/9 or HR data, for the sake of clarity. First, it looks like the starters are getting killed by BAA (bad defense?) because their control of the strikezone is surprisingly good, second-best in the AL in fact, behind only Oakland. The bullpen's K/BB number is also good, although only fourth best in the league, but they've also allowed fewer hits, contributing to a better ERA. Second, I'm stunned to see that the best Royal bullpen in decades has already fallen behind league average, a shocking development that does not reflect well on Trey Hillman's usage patterns, considering the number of good options he has to work with. Bullpen management is perhaps the area in which the manager has the most impact on a team's performance, and to this point, it would be hard to say that Hillman has done well there. In Hillman's defense (somewhat), the bullpen has been hit hard by the longball (18 allowed, fourth most in the league). Overall, the Royals rank 6th in strikeouts, rarefied air for a franchise that has spent most of the decade finishing somewhere between 12th and 14th, year after year.
Before we head-off to the land of individual performance (great wines there, by the way, but the roads are terrible) let's take a look at the staff numbers month by month:
| BAA | K/BB | K/9 | ERA | |
| Royals in April | .276 | 2.15 | 6.41 | 4.78 |
| Royals in May | .253 | 2.24 | 6.95 | 4.41 |
Again, since the beginning of April was so superb, I don't think anyone would guess that actually, the pitching improved across the board in May. One final note on the overall pitching numbers: the Royals have only allowed 10 unearned runs, which is one of the lowest totals in the AL. This either means the Royals have been lucky in how they've timed their errors or that the staff has actually been a tick better than some AL staffs who have hidden lots of bad pitching behind "unearned" runs. The Twins for instance, have allowed over 30 invisible runs, at least in terms of ERA.
Here are the May numbers for the starters, sorted by innings pitched:
| IP | K/9 | HR | WHIP | ERA | |
| Greinke | 39 (6 starts) | 7.85 | 5 | 1.28 | 4.38 |
| Meche | 37 (6 starts) | 7.54 | 5 | 1.14 | 3.65 |
| Hochevar | 36.1 (6 starts) | 6.19 | 4 | 1.49 | 4.71 |
| Bannister | 31.1 (5 starts) | 5.74 | 3 | 1.60 | 6.03 |
| Tomko | 29.2 (5 starts) | 7.58 | 7 | 1.25 | 6.37 |
| Davies | 5 (1 start) | 3.60 | 0 | 1.60 | 1.80 |
Gil Meche put in a very quiet, effective May, truly anchoring the staff, but his gains were offset by meltdowns by Bannister (although his nice Sunday start is obviously not in these numbers) and Tomko. Hochevar and Greinke were so-so, although I'm not quite sure how Greinke allowed so many runs, in spite of a lowish WHIP and decent strikeout numbers. Also, take a look at Banny's numbers: he's been striking out more guys than the mythology around him (and his detractors) would suggest. It's not as if he's 2004 Jimmy Gobble or anything.
And about that guy Gobble, here are the May reliever numbers, sorted again by IP:
| IP | K/9 | HR | WHIP | ERA | |
| Mahay | 12.2 | 5.68 | 1 | 1.58 | 2.84 |
| Soria | 12.1 | 9.49 | 1 | 0.97 | 2.19 |
| Ramirez | 11.0 | 9.82 | 0 | 1.55 | 6.55 |
| Nunez | 10.2 | 3.38 | 0 | 0.84 | 0.84 |
| Peralta | 10.2 | 5.06 | 4 | 1.03 | 5.06 |
| Gobble | 9.1 | 8.86 | 1 | 1.18 | 4.82 |
| Yabuta | 9.0 | 8.00 | 1 | 1.33 | 2.00 |
| Musser | 1.0 | 0.00 | 0 | 1.00 | 0.00 |
Wow, four homers allowed by Peralta, eh!?!? Was anybody expecting to see Ramirez's May ERA that high? Like a few staff pitchers, his overall ERA still looks low, because he logged all those 0.00 ERA innings to start the season. It's fairly clear that Ramirez torpedoed the pen this month, and the sooner Hillman realizes the league may be catching up to him, the better. Likewise, did anyone notice that Yabuta had a decent month? Or that Nunez, whom I sorta thought was fading -- posted a 0.84 ERA in May?
Baseball Prospectus keeps a stat called Leverage, which keeps track of how important the situations a reliever's usage have occurred in. Guess which reliever has the highest leverage score in Hillman's pen? Brett Tomko, of course. As for more used relievers, the leverage rankings go like this: Nunez, Soria, Ramirez, Mahay, Gobble, Nomo, Peralta, Yabuta and Musser. Ideally, at the end of the season, we'll see Soria #1 (not third) and possibly Mahay higher in the chain. For what it's worth, according to BP's numbers Yabuta, Gobble, Tomko and Peralta have all been below average relievers, and Tomko & Peralta have also been below replacement level. Oh, and Nomo, of course, but he's gone.
Lastly, a word about defense. BP's defensive efficiency stat rates the Royals as the 10th best defense in the American League, with a D-Eff of 0.699 , i.e., 69.9% of the balls in play have been turned into outs by the defense. The Rays lead the league at 72%. The Mariners are last at 68.2%. (Again, the closeness of these numbers should tell you something about the essential realities of the game: 30% of balls in play become hits, give or take a percent.) According to the numbers at the Hardball Times, the Royals have the second-worst defense in baseball however, just ahead of the Mariners.
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(bad defense?)
Yes. The Hardball Times (which uses RZR/OOZ and converts them into plays below average) has the Royals as the second worst defense in the AL, just ahead of Seatte.
The bottom five are:
SEA -30
KC -25
TEX -18
MIN -11
BOS -6
Three of the four main Royals starters have sizable differences in FIP-ERA: Bannister (-0.56), Meche (-0.79), and Tomko (-1.86). While the defense is not the only reason (others include park factors, quality of opponent, and plain dumb luck), defense is a large reason for the difference.
by Gopherballs on Jun 3, 2008 12:19 PM EDT 0 recs
Playing Pena at short
really saves the team runs defensively, huh?
Not saying it doesn’t – but how much worse can they get by finding a replacement?
by loyal2sdad on Jun 3, 2008 1:01 PM EDT 0 recs
I wonder if Grudz's D has slipped (ditto for DDJ)
I am surprised by the poor D numbers, as, thought about sans facts, the Royals seem to have a fair number of seemingly decent glovemen.
by royalsreview on Jun 3, 2008 1:03 PM EDT 0 recs
Grudz's has,
DDJ’s was actually pretty good when I checked the RZR ratings last week.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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I'm sure his D has slipped, but Grudz remains solid
Good defense and a 102 OPS+. I’d still like for him to be traded in July, but he’s definitely earning the contract extension which I didn’t think he should get.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
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Yet another piece of evidence that tells me that Ramirez would make a good closer
Does everyone know that he has an ever better K/9 than Soria?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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But what is his PE rating?
(Wait for it…)
Psychological edge
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by devil_fingers on
Jun 3, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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We'll only know after 5 more years of MLB pitching
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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I ran the data
and it comes it to “42.”
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
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The lack of extended range is the big problem
The team RZR is near average for the AL, but the team is dead last in OOZ for both the infield and outfield defense. This suggests that the team does okay with balls hit to them, but lacks overall range (at least in comparison to other teams).
Grudz is tied for last in the AL for OOZ among 2B qualifiers, while Gordon is last among 3B in OOZ. Guillen is last among LF in AL with as much playing time as him (and about on par with Manny considering playing time). Like Grudz and Gordon, DeJesus has a fair RZR (.927) but is near the bottom in OOZ (5) for players with at least the same amount of playing time in CF. Gathright is a little below DeJesus in RZR (.900), but is pretty good with OOZ (20). Teahen is about average, but his OOZ is a little low for RF. Pena is third in OOZ among AL SS, but middle of the pack in RZR.
Here, no Royals have been well above average; Pena has been above average; Gathright, DeJesus (CF), and Teahen (RF) have been essentially about average; Grudz and Gordon have been below average; and Guillen has been well below average.
by Gopherballs on
Jun 3, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
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Great post
I know you’ve been ringing this note for a little while, but this is nice to have it all together in the context of this discussion.
Given that it would be hard to upgrade all the players, I suppose the solution is to get the pitchers to make sure that balls in play are hit more in the direction of the defense. Simple enough.
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by devil_fingers on
Jun 3, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
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I know people say he has gotten better
but, without looking at the numbers, how much of the defensive problems might also be attributed to Gathright? I guess could be asked of any of the regulars.
Gload is saving between 2-4 runs a game—that’s not up for debate.
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by devil_fingers on Jun 3, 2008 1:04 PM EDT 0 recs
yes, without Gload and TPJ
the Royals would be allowing at least 11 runs per game
by royalsreview on
Jun 3, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
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Without looking at the numbers
From watching Royals games, what is your opinion of Gathright’s defense this year? My amateur scouting opinion last year was that he stunk in the field. With that expectation in mind, watching him this year, he looks very different to me. I see him getting better reads and covering a hell of a lot of territory in the field. What is your opinion?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
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None
Since I get to see almost no Royals games live (and even if I did, I certainly can’t notice anything other than really, really obvoiusly bad plays. True confession. I was baing my opinion on a few games last year, his terrible stats from last year, and reports from others (mostly in the past, I guess). That’s why I asked about this year. I guess the whole question is to what extent the recent pitching problems might be partially attributable to defense, and, if so, that asks the question about what positions aren’t cutting the mustard. I was hoping to get people to give their two cents there, since mine are a very degraded currency.
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by devil_fingers on
Jun 3, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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No WXRL, Will?
I recommend checking this table.
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by NHZ on Jun 3, 2008 1:28 PM EDT 0 recs
Yet another piece of evidence that tells me that Ramirez would make a good closer
Does everyone know that Ramirez has an even better K/9 than Soria? I’m not saying that he’s better than Soria. I’m just saying…
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
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Yes, I did see that.
And the usual small sample caveats apply except…it’s pretty clear Ramirez is establishing a new performance level, building on his 2006. He could have a nice little run here in the next couple years.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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Hi. LSB (Rangers board) has a discussion going on the rumor of Greinke on the block.
It’s clearly pure speculation, based on the idea that Greinke is probably the guy on the ML roster that could bring back the most in prospect talent.
Any ideas of what would be considered fair return from Texas for Greinke?
BTW, I’ve been occasionally watching the board, since I’ve long had the Royals as my second favorite ML team. I’ve read a bit more closely this year, since I’m really interested to see how Hillman is being received as he was a finalist for the Rangers position and seemed like the hands-down favorite.
by rooster on Jun 3, 2008 1:57 PM EDT 0 recs
I think the Royals' FO is seriously
looking at extending Greinke right now, since Soria has already been locked up. As of now, I see no reason to think that Zack’s on the block. While his value might be at a high right now, he’s the kind of pitcher you build around rather than cash in for prospects.
By the way, Josh Hamilton is neat.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
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Oh,
but you guys would like Tona Pena Jr., something could be arranged.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
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Heh.
The Rangers probably have a career minor leaguer on a minor league DL they could send to the Royals.
by rooster on
Jun 3, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
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Does he have four limbs?
We’ll take him.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
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If He Were
A tree, what kind of tree would he be?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jun 3, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
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The kind
that you can chop down with a herring.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 6:51 PM EDT
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Hamilton...
He hit a grand slam with his eyes closed. He’s a Jedi.
I fully understand the logic behind extending Greinke. Same reasons I hope the speculation becomes reality and the Rangers can get in on him. I doubt they would be interested enough to give the Royals the package the got from the Braves for Teixeira (Saltalamacchia, Andrus Elvis, Harrison, Beau Jones, Neftali Feliz).
There’s quite a bit of discussion about just how much value Greinke would have on the trade market. I think you gotta look at the Haren trade and ask for something a tick below that for Greinke.
by rooster on
Jun 3, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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Saltalamacchia,
as you said on your own blog, I think Salty would have to be involved if we’re talking about a trade for a pitcher of Greinke’s caliber. I confess I don’t know enough about the Rangers minor league system to speculate too heavily about what other players the Royals might have interest in. Suffice to say the Royals have almost nada in the system when it comes to position prospects other than Moustakas.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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I think Salty wouldn't be enough
He’s good, but Greinke is one of the best starters in the AL, at this point. It isn’t clear how much power Saltalamacchia would have, or even if he can stick at catcher.
I’m with those who say “start with Hamilton.” Needle tracks > past psychological problems.
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by devil_fingers on
Jun 3, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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Yes,
but I’m saying “start with Salty, and make you get plenty of pepper.” As in, he might be the best prospect in any potential deal, but he certainly couldn’t be the only one.
Hamilton, if I’m the Rangers FO, is totally untouchable.
Greinke, if I’m the Royals FO, is totally untouchable.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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I kind of wondered that when the speculation came out.
Glad to see some confirmation. That’s the sort of thing columnists don’t really think through when they throw out these potential deadline deals.
by rooster on
Jun 3, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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Yeah. I agree about Salty.
BTW, the speculation : is coming from TR Sullivan’s mailbag and Ken Rosenthal.
Ken Rosenthal said that the Royals may make Zack Greinke available and would be looking for positions players at the upper levels. Given the fact that’s the Rangers’ strong suit, what would it take to get him?
—Cameron P., Wylie, Texas
At least two of these three: Davis, Elvus Andrus and/or Max Ramirez. Still interested?
I don’t think that’s quite enough. I think the Royals would want more immediate help. I could imagine Salty, John Mayberry Junior, and another top player (Hurley or Davis) or a couple of low-level players (not Elvis who appears to be the org’s handpicked replacement for Mike Young).
by rooster on
Jun 3, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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It might take all three
Ramirez’s numbers are sweet, but he’s 23 and in AA so he’d have to move quickly. Andrus…I guess the Rangers must like his tools on offense and results on defense, because he’s not hitting. Mayberry looks like a decent power hitter with patience issues.
Yeah, that’s a lot to give up, with Salty. And I am convinced it would take a package like this for any team to deprive the Royals of their number one starter. You’d be better off looking at Gil Meche.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
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If the Rangers had Greinke, it would definitely take Salty, JMJ, and Hurley (and maybe more).
to be interested.
BTW, the actual speculation by Rosenthal said, “While the Royals don’t seem to consider Zack Greinke untouchable, they’d have to be bowled over to trade him.”
It appears that Hamilton would bowl the Royals over. Sounds like sans Hamilton, something with Salty, and two AA or AAA top-level players would be close, particularly big bats.
I don’t think the Rangers would be all that interested in Meche. Greinke is the type of guy that helps a team win for the next 5-7 years. I don’t see them interested in Meche who might help this year and next but would cost them something that could be significantly helpful after Meche is gone.
If the Rangers happen to be 5-10 games above .500 at the All Star break, they will make a move, at least for a bullpen arm, and I’m sure they would like to have Mahay back.
by rooster on
Jun 3, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
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Close?
Sounds like sans Hamilton, something with Salty, and two AA or AAA top-level players would be close
I don’t think the Royals would consider such an offer as being close to what they would need to trade Greinke. It might be a fair offer, but it does not reflect what the Royals would need. Salty doesn’t even fill one of the team’s big holes.
I don’t think the Rangers would be all that interested in Meche. Greinke is the type of guy that helps a team win for the next 5-7 years.
That’s why the Royals can’t afford to trade him for some unproven prospects.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
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Greinke's value
You’re probably right about Greinke’s value on the open market. But the issue is that his value to the Royals is greater than his value on the open market. The Royals can’t afford to part with this guy at this point, particularly not for a bunch of prospects. Even top prospects fail at an alarming rate. So I don’t think trading Greinke is something that has any chance of happening. No team is going to offer the massive package it would take for the Royals to give him up.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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That's kind of what I thought.
Didn’t quite get the formatting correct on that link to TR Sullivan’s email bag.
by rooster on
Jun 3, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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It would take a lot. Probably more than you want to give
Greinke is arguably the Royals best and most valuable player. He’s young, cheap and under team control for two more years. He’s the Royals ace and figures to be so for the forseeable future. He’s got great stuff, great control and his psychological issues appear to not be a problem. The Royals are not in an early stage of rebuilding where they are looking to dump good players for as many good prospects as possible. Even if they were rebuilding, I don’t know that a great, young, cheap player like Greinke is the kind of guy you trade. He’s the kind of guy you build around.
So, if Greinke were to be traded, it would have to be for a monster deal, including a great, young player who is already in the major leagues. Think Josh Hamilton and go from there.
Greinke isn’t really “on the block.” Many teams want him, but I don’t think the Royals FO is at all motivated to trade him.
As for Hillman, he’s getting a mixed reception. Most fans like him, so the overall feeling is positive. But there are things that many fans don’t like about him (player usage patterns, small ball and the running game). The jury is still out on him.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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Agreed on Hillman
sometimes I think we’re a bit rough on Trey given that we aren’t competing this year-and we should not have had that expectation, in my opinion-and he’s only been managing for a little over two months. Buddy Bell had years of staunch below averageness to him.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
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So he's more John Buck than Shane Costa at this point
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by devil_fingers on
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No,
because “John Buck” is a synonym for “totally awesome” whereas “Shane Costa” is to “goat farmer.” Thus, your sentence is a bit confusing.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
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I know, it was hard trying to come up with an analgoe for Hillman on the Royal's roster
someone not great, but with a bit of hope for him. Youngish. Gordon’s too good.
Kyle Davies?
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by devil_fingers on
Jun 3, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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analogue, dammit!
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by devil_fingers on
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First scissoring,
now “anal goe!” This blog is headed downhill.
Maybe Mark Teahen.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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Agreed
Once more:
HIllman is more Mark Teahen than Shane Costa at this point.
Maybe that’s too generous to Buddy. Can’t do that to Shaney:-
Hillman is more Mark Teahen than Scott Elarton at this point.
Boo yah!
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by devil_fingers on
Jun 3, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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Truly you are
a manager-player analogy hero.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:18 PM EDT
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Yeah, I don't use the term "hero" very often
but I’m truly one of the greatest heroes of human history
I miss Lionel Hutz
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by devil_fingers on
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Hamilton is a bit high for a guy like Greinke, I would say.
Hamilton is even too high for a guy like Edinson Volquez, IMO. As I put in my post above, the Dan Haren trade would be a comparable package I would shoot for if I were Dayton. I don’t know if that would be enough talent to make it worthwhile for the Royals.
by rooster on
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Edinson Volquez, though,
is hella good also. Especially considering he’s been doing what he’s done while pitching in “Great American Ballpark” half the time. I think the jury’s still out on who wins that trade long term, which is to say that both teams might have got a top tier player in that trade. Hooray for changes of scenery!
Josh Hamilton-for-Zack Greinke might indeed be a bit high because of the team control years that Hamilton’s organization would have. Still, this deal is being conceived with the idea that the Rangers can win soon, right?
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
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And Hamilton's drug addiction is an omnipresent issue which affects his value
At least Greinke’s depression and social anxiety are being controlled by meds. There is no medication to control Hamilton’s addiction. I mean the guy’s problem so bad that they have someone travel with him to watch him all the time and won’t even give his food money on the road to him directly. It goes through his “handler”. Drug addiction is a serious disease which usually has multiple relapses. In short, he’s a great hitter who a team could lose to drug issues at any time.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
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Yes,
that does indeed affect his value. I still think he’d be just about the last guy on the Rangers that I’d want to trade if I was GM of that team.
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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No question
Another reason the Rangers and Royals don’t match up well for a Greinke trade.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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He's worth a lot more to the Rangers than his impressive on-field performance.
BTW, how far is it to hit a ball out of Kaufman stadium. I’m going to see the Rangers when they’re in KC, and I want to see if Hamilton clears the park during BP.
by rooster on
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My issue with him...
...how valuable and untouchable would he be if he went on the DL because of addition/relapse/illegal drug issues and/or got suspended. Right now he looks like a perpetual MVP candidate superstar. But his value would change greatly with one snort.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
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His value would be nil, because he would no longer be in baseball.
by rooster on
Jun 3, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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And that's a big problem
I’m not saying it is likely that Hamilton will start using again, but it is a common occurrence for addicts. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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(snort)
Yessiree!
I mean, um, yes it is. Uh..no, wait, it’s not. Aderol is much better,
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by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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I'm interested to learn how KC is handling Greinke. You mention meds.
Does he receive counseling/mentoring?
by rooster on
Jun 3, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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Meds and counseling/therapy
They don’t discuss it in detail, but they have said he’s received both. I know he is still on the meds and probably will be forever (like a lot of people who suffer from clinical depression and/or anxiety). I assume he still sees a therapist, but they don’t really talk about it anymore.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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Yes,
different people require different “mixes” of treatment when they suffer from a condition such as Zack’s. It appears that Greinke has found an approach that works for him.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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but he's also a born again
so…
"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise
by DyeFan187 on
Jun 3, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
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In short, the Royals aren't at a place where it makes sense for them to trade a great young player for prospects
There’s no desire in the FO or the fanbase to extend the rebuilding process another year or two by taking a step backwards.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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+1
All trade scenarios we might come up with have this caveat.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:18 PM EDT
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Trading someone like Meche for MLB-ready prospects makes more sense
Even though you lose a good talent, you also free up money which can be used to acquire more talent. With Greinke, you lose talent and don’t gain any money. If you trade Meche, the money freed up might keep you from taking an immediate step backwards. Not so much with Greinke.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jun 3, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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Right,
that and the fact that we have a couple people in our bullpen who I think could step in and be LA starters, which would not completely compensate for losing Meche but would take the edge off. Plus, our organizational strength is definitely higher on the pitching side. Yes, Mr. Rosa, that’s you.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jun 3, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
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I'm buying my Rosa jersey this week
I sure hope he doesn’t change his number when he gets to the bigs.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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