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The Ghosts of Drafts Past

The draft is quite a crapshoot, and although that doesn't totally excuse the Royals ineptitude the past decade or so in the June amateur draft, it does illustrate how difficult it is to correctly predict which players will be key Major League components.

The following are brief excerpts before and after selected drafts. Keep these in mind when we hear how the player we selected is a future Hall of Famer, or how guys we passed up on were sure-fire All-Stars.

2004
By the time the 14th pick rolls around, the three highly touted shortstops - Florida State's Stephen Drew and high schoolers Matt Bush and Chris Nelson - are expected to be gone, one of them likely to the Padres at No. 1. Baird is crossing his fingers that other everyday players remain. Among the possibilities: Oklahoma State third baseman Josh Fields, a right-handed power hitter who also plays quarterback for the Cowboys' football team; Princeton outfielder B.J. Szymanski, regarded as a five-tool talent and also a football player; and first baseman Mike Ferris, a Miami (Ohio) product who mashed 21 home runs this season. Don't discount the Royals choosing a high school player, either.....Seneca (Mo.) High School's Scott Elbert, a 6-foot-2 left-hander with a good fastball and slider, could be around.

The Royals selected high school third baseman Billy Butler.

"My only setback is in the field. I'm actually an average third baseman. You have to work on it every day."

-Billy Butler

2003
The Royals are believed to favor a choice among three players: high-school outfielders Chris Lubanski of Schwenksville, Pa., and Ryan Harvey of Palm Harbor, Fla., and University of Richmond pitcher Tim Stauffer. Dark-horse possibilities include Tulane first baseman Michael Aubrey and Wake Forest pitcher Kyle Sleeth. Baseball America ranked all five among the nation's top 10 players. "A No. 5 pick needs to be a guy that we anticipate is going to the All-Star Game," general manager Allard Baird said. "Player, pitcher - either one."

With Sleeth and Stauffer off the board, the Royals selected Pennsylvania high school outfielder Chris Lubanski.

"Let me tell you something," the grand old scout, Art Stewart, says as we walk away from the batting cage after Lubanski's first-ever batting session at Kauffman Stadium. "You will remember this day. You will remember this day for the rest of your life.


2002

That could be John Mayberry Jr. from Rockhurst High, son of former Royals star John Mayberry, or Prince Fielder from Melbourne, Fla., son of former Royals draftFielder. (Fielder was traded to Toronto and became a home-run star for Detroit.) The Royals have scouted both players extensively, and both are strong hitters. Mayberry is right-handed, Fielder left-handed.

The Royals selected Florida high school pitcher Zack Greinke.

"It's weird, but their colors are Royal blue, and that's my favorite color. All my clothes match it. I just had a great feeling that it was going to happen."
-Zack Greinke



2001

The publication Baseball America projects that the Royals ' first pick will be outfielder Roscoe Crosby, a left-handed hitter who has been mashing home runs for Union High School in Buffalo, S.C. "We do like Roscoe - a lot of clubs like Roscoe," said Royals general manager Allard Baird. Crosby is called the "best athlete" coming out of high school, and with good reason. He's a fine wide receiver who could go to Clemson and hone his skills for the NFL. Of course, Baseball America says the Royals might also opt for a right-handed pitcher with the intriguing name of Colt Griffin. He's from Marshall (Texas) High, throws like a Colt .45 - at about 100 mph - and strikes out two batters an inning. "This is more of a high school pitching draft ," Baird said.

The Royals actually got both, taking Griffin with the number nine overall pick, and Crosby with the fifty-third pick.

"If somebody had told me before the draft that we'd get Mr. Griffin and Mr. Crosby, I'd say you were nuts,"

-Allard Baird.

2000

Point is, now might be the time to address other weaknesses, and it's no secret the Royals would like to land an impact catcher or middle infielder.

Scott Heard, a catcher from Rancho Bernardo, Calif., High School, is rated as the draft 's top prospect by Baseball America. If he's gone before the fourth pick, as seems likely, the Royals could again draft Pepperdine catcher Dane Sardinha, rated No. 10 overall. The club used its second-round pick in 1997 and chose Sardinha, then a high school senior in Hawaii. He chose instead to attend Pepperdine, where he batted .353 with 17 homers and 72 RBIs this season as a junior. "We're not going to take a catcher," Wetzel said, "just to take a catcher. But there's a couple of good ones out there." Baseball America rates three shortstops among its top 19 picks, and all are high school players: No. 5 Luis Montanez of Miami, No. 17 David Espinosa of Miami and No. 19 Corey Smith of Piscataway, N.J. But if the Royals stick to their basic policy of taking the best available player, only Montanez would seem to merit consideration as the No. 4 overall pick.

With Montanez off the board, the Royals selected California high school pitcher Mike Stodolka.

"He's got good mound presence. I liked his poise. I think he's a guy who showed command of the fastball, which is unique at such a young age. Every outing toward the end, he seemed to improve."
-Herk Robinson



1998
Well, don't count on the Royals abandoning their conservative nature by drafting the controversial but highly talented J.D. Drew, who was the first pick last year and is back in this year's draft still demanding a contract worth over a third of the Royals ' entire payroll ($32 million). ``We simply can't afford what he's asking,'' Robinson said.

The Royals selected Stanford pitcher Jeff Austin.

"If you wanted to compare me with someone, I'd say more like a Mike Mussina or even a Greg Maddux type."
-Jeff Austin

"He's probably the college pitcher who's closest to the big leagues,"
-Allard Baird


1997
If the Royals stick to their game plan, left-hander Eric DuBose of Mississippi State could be their man. DuBose, 6 feet 3 and 220 pounds, is ranked as the 10th-best prospect by Baseball America and is showing off his sweeping curveball this week during the College World Series in Omaha, Neb. ... The Royals also are keeping in contact with 6-5 right-hander Jason Grilli of Seton Hall, but they don't think he'll be around by the seventh pick.

After Grilli was selected, the Royals passed up DuBose and took P Dan Reichert from Pacific University.

"He is a pitcher with a high ceiling...He is a competitor. And he could get to the big leagues very quickly and help, hopefully within the next year or so."
-Art Stewart

 

1996
Coincidentally, this year's amateur draft has many talented pitching prospects. So the Royals can arm their farm system with capable arms. Sixty of the top 100 prospects listed by Baseball America are pitchers. ... ``We're looking for the best player available. It would be great if it is a pitcher or a power hitter. '' With this group of prospects, it's likely to be a pitcher. The draft begins at noon today. The Royals have the 14th pick overall. Baseball America lists right-handed pitcher Jake Westbrook of Madison County High in Danielsville, Ga., as the 14th-best prospect.

The Royals selected high school outfielder Dermal Brown.

"He's the best power-hitting prospect in the draft."
-Brian Murphy

1993
The Royals have the draft 's fifth pick, and scouting director Art Stewart said he's "90 percent sure" Kansas City will select a college pitcher. Based on draft projections, it appears the best prospect that will be available to the Royals is Texas A&M pitcher Jeff Granger, who probably will start against Kansas in the first game of the College World Series on Friday... If it's not Granger or a player projected to go ahead of him, the Royals will have a pool of college pitching talent from which to choose: Billy Wagner from Ferrum (Va.) will become the first player from a Division III school in a decade to be drafted in the first round. He's a 5-11, 180-pound lefty whose fastball has been clocked at 98 mph. Fresno State right-hander Steve Soderstrom has an injured shoulder and his stock has dipped this spring. Creighton right-hander Alan Benes is the younger brother of Padres pitcher Andy Benes, who was the No. 1 pick in the 1988 draft . The most discussed position players are Georgia Tech catcher Jason Varitek and Texas outfielder Brooks Kieschnick. But don't look for the Royals to go that route...

The Royals selected Granger.

Granger compares his style on the mound to that of another Texan, Roger Clemens. "I feel I'm in basically the same boat," Granger said. "Maybe not the velocity, but the aggressiveness. " Granger's goal of reaching the majors within two years sounds reasonable to the Royals. "He's closer to the big leagues than even he realizes," Stewart said. "He's such a competitor, he's like a Clemens. "The one person he reminds me of the most is Steve Carlton.

Let's hope Dayton and his team get it right tomorrow! His job is not an easy one.

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granted

its just bits and pieces over years, but art stewart sounds like an idiot

and i guess given his success, he…well…you get the idea

by ZeppelinDZ on Jun 4, 2008 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post, as always

always impressed with the thought and work you put into this stuff, Retro. I know we need to take it easy with the draft, but this will be different, darkly humorous, and helpful. Rec’d.

Also, the Greinke quote should have been an indication of impending genius.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on Jun 4, 2008 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the kind words

What really struck me, is how bad the other options were that the Royals passed up. Steve Soderstrom? Eric DuBose? These weren’t exactly All-Stars either. True there were All-Stars later in the draft, but a lot of teams passed those guys over.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 4, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

no kidding

I feel a little relieved that KC wasn’t the only one with the faulty pre-draft evaluation of talent. This really is a crap shoot. My sense is that it is in the later rounds that you actually help the depth to your minor league system and that they have as much of a chance to succeed as the early rounders. Everyone light a candle and cross what you can cross.

Success is counted sweetest by those who ne'er succeed. - Emily Dickinson

by buddyball on Jun 4, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Likewise rec'd

Reading through some of the early Baird and Herk Robinson picks was a little depressing, though. :)

by DarthYoshi on Jun 4, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Trivia Time

The Royals have drafted five future All-Stars in the first round. Can you name them?

Hint: Dee Brown is NOT one of them.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 4, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

MacDougal

Founder of the Rowdy Hardy Fan Club

by eazyb81 on Jun 4, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya,

im gonna call shenanigans on this question:

royals number #1s
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/alltime/draft?team=kan

royals all-stars
http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/kc/history/all_stars.jsp

mac, wilson, and appier are all i can find, who am i missing, obviously someone one made the all-start game on another team, but who

by ZeppelinDZ on Jun 4, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Atlee Hammaker

83 for san fran, wow obscure

by ZeppelinDZ on Jun 4, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

does supplemental first round count?

cause if it does, i don’t have any reference on who fits in there, anybody got thoughts on those guys who may have made it?

by ZeppelinDZ on Jun 4, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Answer

Mike MacDougal, Kevin Appier, Willie Wilson, Atlee Hammaker and Johnny Damon (Damon was a sandwich pick, so you’re excused for not listing him)

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 4, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Mmmmmmmmm, sandwich pick

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Jun 4, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on Jun 4, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

i like trivia with my sandwiches

by ZeppelinDZ on Jun 4, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

how many of these quotes are from JoePo?

I recognize, or seem to, a certain purpleness and sentimentality in them

by Freneau on Jun 4, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

purpleness?

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by marbotty on Jun 4, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't quote JoPo

But let’s take a look at some of JoPo’s purple praise:

2001:

You usually don’t get a chance to pick a folk hero in the baseball draft. Oh, there are plenty of talented pitchers who are wild, gifted but raw outfielders, all that stuff. But you rarely see Paul Bunyan or John Henry or Pecos Bill. You rarely get to draft Robin Hood.

The Royals drafted a real live folk hero Tuesday. He even has a folk hero’s name: ” Colt Griffin .”

2002:
You gotta wonder what will go wrong with Zack Greinke . The Royals drafted him with the sixth pick in the amateur draft last week. Kid has everything. The 94-mph fastball. Hard slider. Pinpoint control. Overwhelming confidence. Great makeup.

He obliterated high school hitters in Florida. He averaged about two strikeouts an inning. He walked eight guys all year. Greinke is such a good hitter that some scouts think he could make it to the big leagues that way. And he’s just 18. Unlimited. The Royals are going to give Greinke something close to $3 million – that’s what phenoms get these days – and then everybody will wait feverishly for him to become the next great pitcher in baseball.

The next great pitcher.

Sounds good, right?

Well, what if I told you there’s a 45-percent chance Greinke will never win a single game in the major leagues? That doesn’t sound good, does it?

What if I told you that he has about a 10 percent chance to win 50 games in his career? That there’s a 97 percent chance he won’t win 20 games in a season? That his chances to go to the Hall of Fame are virtually nil?

What if I told you this: There have been 78 pitchers since 1990 who have either won 100 games or saved 100 games. Guess how many of them were high school pitchers taken in the first round of the draft. Go ahead. Guess.

Zero. Zilch. Nada. None.

Welcome to the world of high school pitchers.

Enter at your own risk.

2003 - “You can see it,” Ladnier says with certainty in his voice. “This one’s going to be a player.”

He sounds sure. But, of course, he cannot be sure. Nobody can ever be sure. Baseball is not like any other sport. In baseball, you have to look at a kid who just left his high school prom and imagine what he will be in four or five or six years. In baseball, you have to pay a young man $2 million plus without ever seeing him play a single high-level game, without ever seeing him face a good pitcher while using a wooden bat.

So, he could be Rocco Baldelli, who made it to the big leagues in three years and is now hitting .323 for Tampa Bay. Or he could be B.J. Garbe, a young man with all the gifts except one: He can’t hit all that much.

He could be Austin Kearns, who mashes the ball in Cincinnati, or he could be Andrew Brown, who has spent much of his minor-league life swinging and missing. He could be Vernon Wells, who looks like baseball’s next superstar, of he could be Artura McDowell, who has retired.

All of them were once 18-year-old millionaires. All of them were high school outfielders taken high in the first round. All of them had the talent. But, of course, it’s more than talent.

Seems like Joe got jaded as the years went on. Colt really burned him.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 4, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Purple prose

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Jun 4, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

the line about the grand old scout looked like JoePo to me

this one:

Let me tell you something,” the grand old scout, Art Stewart, says as we walk away from the batting cage after Lubanski’s first-ever batting session at Kauffman Stadium. “You will remember this day. You will remember this day for the rest of your life.

by Freneau on Jun 4, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

06/04/2001

We will never forget.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 4, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's on my bumper

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by marbotty on Jun 5, 2008 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, prospects should never get that kind of hype

I don’t care who the prospect is. The vast majority of prospects fail. Even first round draftees. Even #1 oveall draftees. Any baseball writer should know better than to push hype like that. That is, if they are more interested in intelligent analysis than exciting prose.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Jun 4, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any scout

Should really know not to say that. An old sage like Art Stewart has no doubt seen his share of busts.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 4, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

“you will remember this day for the rest of yur life”

that sounds like what RR used to write on all the game threads

sooooooooooo over the top

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Jun 4, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

horror show

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Jun 4, 2008 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Somewhere I'd read

...that baseball scouting is a 10% business. If one is right 10% of the time, that’s pretty good. So, 4 All-Stars from 40 first-round picks seems about right by that standard.

That said, I hope the Royals can improve on their success with lower picks becoming serviceable average players. The Twins certainly seem to have managed that.

by Stat Ninja on Jun 5, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope they improve on rounds 2-5

One should get some really good players out of those rounds and I don’t think the Royals have had much major league success from those guys for the past 10-15 years.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Jun 5, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can agree on that much

I’m really not picky about which rounds, though. 2-5, 2-25, 2-45, whatever…just as long as the organization targets and develops more helpful skilled players rather than toolsy projects.

by Stat Ninja on Jun 5, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The scout that found Albert Pujols

Now works at Schnucks. He said in his report he liked Pujols, but questioned his ability to hit for power.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 6, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lubanski

He’s still only 23 and getting his first full season of AAA under his belt. Call me crazy, but he could still turn into a helpful player. Look at Bill Hall’s minor league history. It appears that he learned to hit in the majors somehow. I’m not saying that Lubanski will hit 52 bombs as a regular over two seasons (I’m pretty sure he can’t); rather, that there is still a chance that he may turn into something better than Ross Gload and maybe even better than Mark Teahen.

by Stat Ninja on Jun 5, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

If you need more evidence as to why KC is so bad in 2007

just look at the drafts listed above. Players drafted in the top 10 should be the core of your teams and KC got Jeff Austin, Jeff Granger, Dee Brown, Dan Reichart, et.al. I am sure that the 2nd and 3rd rounds didn’t pan out either with immortals like Roscoe, Matt Ferrera, Mike Tonis and Scott Walters (catchers of the future). The lack of production from the Royals first round picks in the late 90’s and early 2000’s is staggering. Looking like KC missed on first rounders like Mitch Maier. Matt Burch, and Matt Campbell were first round busts. Must be impossible to get fired from being a KC scout or minor league administrator.

The fruit from KC’s drafts in 2007 and 2008 won’t be seen until 2010 at the earliest. I do like the direction the scouting dept. is taking over past two years.

by daveyork on Jun 9, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

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