Game 63 Overflow Thread - Royals (24-38) at Yankees (31-31)
by Freneau on Jun 8, 2008 3:00 AM EDT
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After a long, hot, loss in the Bronx on Saturday, the Royals turn to Zack Greinke (3.56 ERA) to right the ship (gotta love nautical metaphor cliches!) or get the boys back on track (or is it un-tracked? no one seems to know, and, intuitively, I have no sense of whether being on a track is good or bad).
The Yankees turn to... hmm... let me check my game notes here... interesting, this man's name is, let me see if I have this spelled correctly, Joba Chamberlain. As far as I can tell, this young feller has previously been in the bullpen, but was a starter in the minors. Interesting. Never heard word one about him, or this... what are they calling it, "conversion process" that he's been going through.
Well, I suspect there won't be much attention paid to this game, since the Yanks are starting a nobody swingman type.
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one should watch out for
massive flies attack!
should be fun though, two really hard throwing youngesters. with the way the Royals used up their bullpen over the last two game it seems like Zach gotta go 7+ to really stand a chance.
hopefully he corected his long ball issue
thaat he dealt with at the cell.
heres lookin at you grienks
Chamberlain's first start
was terrible. Here’s to a continuation of that trend.
Off to lifeguard. Fething birthday parties.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
I wholly expected
the Boys in Blue to lay down yesterday, figuring that they could take it easy after winning on Friday night. Tho we lost, I was pleasantly surprised at the fight and energy, esp. DeJesus’ home run. Inspired piece of hitting. Now we need Greinke to bounce back and lock up at least a split. I think Hooch will get bombed on Monday, as the Yankees are patient at the plate and he tends to have problems getting the ball over.
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 11:18 AM EDT reply actions
Get the hell out of here
Your resignation was accepted. Stay away.
It's nice to know that someone noticed
but given the Royals’ performance over the past 15+ years, I’m sure that most fans have had similar feelings. However, after the initial despair wore off and we got further away from the disaster last week, you realize that it’s not going to change overnight.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Just for clarification...
On my “resignation” post, wasn’t calling anyone on the site losers, was calling the team losers. I wouldn’t have put anything in there if there wasn’t a 75-word minimum. Anyway, besides the point, did not mean to offend anyone, just 15+ years of frustration building up.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does it say overflow thread?
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
In other news.. i think berroa will be getting his first start with the dodgers today
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
*** BREAKING NEWS ***
Jeff Fulchino (think thats how you spell it) has been called up to the bigs—sent down.. Joel Peralta!!!!!!!!!! YAY!
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
Don't get too excited
Fulchino isn’t exactly tearing up the PCL
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
Line-up
1. DDJ LF
2. Gritz 2B
3. Teahen RF
4. Guillen DH
5. Gordon 3B
6. Olivo C
7. Gload 1B
8. Aviles SS
9. Gathright CF
This Lineup Would
Look great with Guillen in LF, DDJ in CF and Butler DH’ing. Maybe even Callaspo at 2B; another LH bat.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Guillen jacked his leg up yesterday
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I Thought It
Was his foot.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone track the number of different starting lineups used?
I swear we haven’t used the same one twice yet.
the stat is kept
we have used a lot of different ones but there have been many times where we used the same one, especially early on in the season.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope
that Greinke gets those strike calls
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:11 PM EDT reply actions
It would really piss me off
if Chamberlain pitched really well against us.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:11 PM EDT reply actions
I agree
he worked really hard last time, we need to keep it going.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice bloop hit Grudz
keep getting those to fluster Joba
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:12 PM EDT reply actions
need to work the count
only 7 pitches so far
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
We'll see your Joba
and raise you one Zack
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
it is dead in here today
are we the only ones here?
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't know
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
Let's see a DP here
seems like Zack’s trying to overthrow
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
Wow
So much for that.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
Damnit!
What the hell is wrong with Zack!
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
Zack has been getting absolutely hammered...
Every fly ball against him = home run
winning records follow good bullpens
Anybody else getting reminded of last year a little
with Zack?
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
there are some similarities
he looked really bad early on last year. Obviously, that’s why they moved him to the pen. Pleeease no.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
let's see
if he can settle it down and hold it to two. He seems to start out slow and warm up as the game goes along.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
I think this is the reason why we're hearing
Zack could be on the block and not signing a long term deal. We could turn him into a couple impact bats IMO.
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
Probably not intentional
But good to see a pitch inside nonetheless
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply actions
Yikes, from 1-2 to a walk
He has just not looked good at all recently. This is disturbing.
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haha
after yesterday, Greinke is going at least 5 no matter what.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
When He Gets
To 100 pitches (or runs) in the 3rd he’ll switch to his left arm.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees drafted a guy from Creigton that
pitches with both arms
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
I read about that guy last year.
He got drafted? Awesome. I could see that becoming fun.
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
20th round
proud product of Omaha Central High School
Success is counted sweetest by those who ne'er succeed. - Emily Dickinson
He's had similar problems all year, I think
but the difference is that early in the year he was getting out of the jams.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions
He Had A
Couple of games where he was lights out, period.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Gathright made that look easy, nice play.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
Keep describing the action
I only have the radio broadcast, because Cox Cable is a bunch of pigf*ckers.
OK
let’s settle down now and hold them to two, and make Joba work
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
So, I'll start the debate
Not taking today’s game into consideration, Greinke: Long term deal or traded for bats. Discuss.
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
Thats a tough one
I think we’ll no more after this month but, deep down I’m hoping for the deal. If he keeps these struggles up, though, then trade him.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If We Can
Get a breeding pair of these, I’m for the trade.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
They Would Be
Very intimidating, no?
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if the other team would even show up
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
Walk, K, or HR
we hear this term when talking about hitters like Jim Thome or Adam Dunn.
We need to make a similar title for Greinke, cause he’s either lights out or giving up BOMBS
Personally,
he’s my favorite player. The stuff is sick. However, I think it would depend on what we could get for him. It would have to be good. I may continue to go year to year for now, at least let’s see where he ends up at the end of this year. I would love to see him stay.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
Damn right Gordo
all he needs to get going is ABs vs. Little League friends.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
Best gordon AB in GAMES
winning records follow good bullpens
Good AB Gordon
but followed by a bad one by Olivo
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
nice Gloadsplosion
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
Time for Aviles to be a hero
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Is Joba a seasoned vet?
He sure gets the calls
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
I heard he plays for this team called the Yankees, which helps
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he's an
ESPN-hype-machine vet so that helps him.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why I want to cream this kid sooooooo bad
What are they gonna say when the lowly Royals light his ass up?
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
This matchup isn't in our favor
R-R and now 0-2. Just hope that he can hit weak grounder to 3rd and get a run home
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions
bullsh!t
he did not swing there
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions
Yes
I was just dreaming of a wildpitch
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Passed ball redemption on the BS swing call
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Greinke needs some quick, shutdown innings
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Good Plan!
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, wow, wow
that.just.happened.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
Nice play Grudz
The leather is flashy today!
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
There we go, 10 pitch inning
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nice change
the key is can he shut them down for at least the next two. In that, I mean nothing more than a hit or
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Joba
has proved hittable today, if we can string a few more together and Zack can settle down…
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
There we go david, let's tie this thing up
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2-1 count
hopefully good time to bunt
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
eve better
gritty
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
Alrgith teabag just put it in play
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haha yeah
he does kind of do that a lot
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
need contact here
show up, teabag
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
that's as bad
gotta come thru in the clutch
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
Time for Guillen to show these babies how to win
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We need a Han Solo to step up sometime here
We have to rock Joba.
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
Maybe We Can
Get Princess Leia to distract him.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
come on
gui-bag
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
never underestimate
the passed ball as an offensive weapon
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
It's Up There
With the HBP.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, yes, yes
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions
that was an absolute
BOMB!
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
Ties up Manny Ramirez
for 3rd in the MLB in RBIs…....DAMN RIGHT!
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
Wilbon Worships Him!
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Guillen shits on the 3-2 slider
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He's Fouling Off
Heat so you speed up his bat with a slider; that’s not good plan in Omaha, mush less NYC.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, esp. an slider that catches wayyyy too much of the plate
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Say what you will about Bob Davis
He’s way better at getting excited than any of the other broadcasters.
Bob Davis would get excited about a colonoscopy
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
I'm About To
Find out how exciting it is.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i had one
about 6 mos. ago and woke up during. not pleasant. however, thank god they didn’t find anything
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
did they tell you not to eat corn
for a few days beforehand? when the nurse said that, I had to mute the phone b/c I was laughing so hard
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
that prep is awful
no eating for 24 hours and crapping your brains out – yesh
procedure itself is nothing – make sure someone is there to guide you home
Success is counted sweetest by those who ne'er succeed. - Emily Dickinson
and it iiiiiiiiis IN THERE!
I’ll take a growling Bobgasm call of a home run or strikeout or colonoscopy any day.
Think about Bob using that call on your colonoscopy
Gives me the willies.
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
Oh yeah, he's the king of excitement.
The only bad part is, during KU games, he’ll get really excited on a bad thing for KU. So then when he gets all excited you think it’s good and then you realize he just said, INTERCEPTED!
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Mid 50s pitch count
for Joba. He’ll be gone in two at most.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
I wish I could find the picture that's floating around somewhere
with Jeter and A-Rod in bikinis holding each other. It’s perfect.
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
haha i saw one
that was taken right when one of them was slapping the other ones ass. And it looks just like he’s cupping his ass, it’s good stuff.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Like This One?
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Or This One?
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
On my DVR one time, I caught Andy Pettite having eye intercourse
with A-Rod’s butt.
It was creepy and gross.
Wow
Zack just saved his head with some nice glove-work
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply actions
one nice thing about living in ATL
no royals blackouts
I Get Blacked
Out on MLBTV occasionally; no one can explain why.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This is ridiculous and unnecessary:
http://bp1.blogger.com/_wvoLtwni0kc/RhUvZd19-xI/AAAAAAAAHg4/nE8fsbE7hmg/s1600/MLBBLACKOUT.jpg
Poor Iowa is claimed by 6 teams. May that be the last time I ever feel sorry for Iowa.
Became A Homeless
Person with a satellite dish.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Women Can Surprise
You sometimes.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So was he just afraid to pitch to a-rod or what
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He has at least once on gameday
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How Can You
Tell he crapped himself on Gameday?
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
hafhahahahha
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We Have To
Make at least 27 of them to win the game; he’s just doing his part.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If Only We
Had 24 more like him.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i really hate the all-day-games-on-sunday thing
although it wont be as bad tonight with the nba finals
why did they not
play the finals yesterday? how many days in between do they need? prime time saturday night would seem to be perfect
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
I was looking forward to watching it on a Saturday night, but no, make me watch it the night before I have to go back to work.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
much different
in age, Zack was drafted as an 18 year old
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Same ungodly amount of undue pressure was put on both
but yeah, Zack was just a kid.
It’s crazy to think he’s still only 24.
Mrs. Cogan
says that Aviles looks exactly like Costa
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
yes
I said that yesterday and was met with some optimism from an Omahanite (?) Omahainian?
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Zack-68 Joba-66
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by philofthenorth on Jun 8, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The Shockers Are
Rallying in the 3rd, now down 2, 4-6.
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craptimism?
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
Great AB by david he's having a good season
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I don't expect him to be in a Royals uniform much longer though
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
why?
are there any rumors out there? I think unless we get a boatload in return that’s not wise
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, there have been rumors for about 7-8 months now
He and Teahen are very similar, but Teahen has more power and a much better outfield arm.
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
Oh yeah
Even if he’s not a 20 homer a year guy, he still has more power IMO.
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
And Teahen doesn't play a
premium defensive position. That’s kind of a key thing to leave out.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
IDK
until the past couple of weeks, Teahen has been dreadful. I agree that they are similar players and we probably don’t need both (awesome AB by Teahen so far, btw) but I think DDJ is more consistent
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
He's always hurt
and it’s always some rinky-dink little thing. Plus, he doesn’t have the best focus in the world. It causes him to underachieve.
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
Tough luck for Mark
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i really hate elarton (as a player, know nothing about the guy)
he sucks
he’s a slow worked
he’s always bitchy
hate his windup, with the weird little hand thing he does
but he gives a full effort every time
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question
did jim mckay die yesterday?
i did not see any mention of this on ESPN/ESPN News/ESPN Classic or on ESPN radio
also, was he in any way involved with the coverage of the Munich Olympics?
Good call
Look up overkill in the dictionary and you’ll find yesterday’s coverage
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
I love how they had pre-prepared footage of Al Michaels talking about him in the past tense
that just happened to be ready 4 hours after he died…
it may have been at least 5 years old
They're probably interviewing John Madden right now
to talk about Pat Summerall
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
F U JOHNNY DAMON
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lol 68mph curveball to k jeter
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For nothing
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2nd 4 pitch walk to arod, i dont get it
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Joey G!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh my goodness. Please Joey, you must show some mercy, son. Stop killing them!
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
that pitcher
is a baby for nearly hitting guillen in the face
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 8, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
So who do we even have available in the pen tonight?
Guessing we try to grit Greinke through 6, but then…
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that new guy
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 8, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
Olivo is just so productive
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Wow
Olivo plays the game harder than anyone I’ve seen. I love it!
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
i'm turning into a big olivo fan
he throws out baserunners and everything, unlike that other catcher…
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 8, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
He does, does he?
He seems to be in full regression mode to me.
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
And of course
Gload fucks it all up!
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
I almost wish you hadn't had to ban Joel's ass now
What could he say to defend his boy this year?
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
god gload sucks
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I think the hitters should be able to play defense on those foul popups
they always just stand there and look helpless. it would add a fun dimension to the game.
jose offerman
proved hitters w/ sticks outside the batter’s box are dangerous…
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 8, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
64 mph curveball spotted to giambi
Zack hasn’t thrown that one in 2 years
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63mph
is the playful add/subtract zack back?
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 8, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions
FUCK
That one is back oer the fence
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Wasn't even a bad pitch, ugh
Everything goes outu
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well...
he should quit playing w/ that pitch over the heart of the plate…
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 8, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
I dont even know what to think of this start
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Somewhere at a car wash, Jeremy Giambi
is pumping his fist while some guy is screaming at him to finish wiping his windshield.
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
replay of homer
that replay is a perfect example of how to hit a curveball and keep weight back. what a swing.
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 8, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions
Most disturbing part of Zack's line... 4 walks in 5 IP
Yeah 2 were 4 pitch walks to Arod, but he’s supposed to be a control pitcher.
winning records follow good bullpens
Those really need to stop. Seriously.
I’ll listen 1,000 Farmers Help Point commercials before I listen to one of those
*snort*
http://tompkinsind.com/ at least their website got an upgrade. Last time I looked (when it was still stockmeup.com) it looked like one of those late-90s Geocities websites.
Unintentional humor
Michael Kay will be interviewing Snoop Dogg; among the topics, his “unlikely” friendship with Willie Nelson.
What’s unlikely about a couple of famous potheads being friends?
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Fo shizzle
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Really, that's not all that unlikely
Willie can get that good Texas fire. It’s like an old white dude can’t have a friendship with a black man or something. Snoop seems like the kind of guy I could easily get along with and I’m a huge redneck.
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
Greinke is struggling, Meche is struggling, Bannister is struggling, Hochevar is struggling
Kyle Davies is our only SP that isn’t. That’s just bizarre.
winning records follow good bullpens
Regression
I’m afraid Zack was due for a few bad starts.
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Odd stats to terrify you
According to Lee Sinins’ RCAA and RSAA, the Royal offense is actually in the middle of the pack and comfortably so, but the pitching staff is 13th in the league.
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Odd stats
that make very little sense?
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It's funny
the thought process and methodology behind RCAA/RSAA makes sense, and individually the data always seems to make sense, but the team totals always look out of whack.
I think it’s because one truly horrible player on an average team makes the team look truly horrible.
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Davies
...is struggling to keep his walks down and his Ks up. So far, it hasn’t hurt him, but it will if he doesn’t reverse that trend.
Shh, let's enjoy the flukeyness while we can
winning records follow good bullpens
Yimmy yobble won double digits striking out nobody
Keep hope alive
winning records follow good bullpens
So I met a Cards fan last night who admitted
it was their stupid team who pissed away Game 6 in ‘85, not one blown call.
Which brings the grand total of rational, cordial Cards fans I’ve met to 1. But they’re soooooo smart.
will the royals ever win the series again?
by blue bandwagon on Jun 8, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
shoot...
will the royals ever make the playoffs again?
by blue bandwagon on Jun 8, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so
I trust that the scouting dept drafted the best players they could find regardless of HS or college. Still, I wonder if the Royals would have a shot had they taken Matt Weiters last year and another college hitter this year. The college guys would reach the majors in about 3 years instead of 4-5. By the time Moustakas and H arrive in KC, Greinke, Gordon, Soria, Hochevar, and Davies, and Buck (and a few others) will probably be gone.
The FO must make FA moves to build a winner around what they have now, next year, and each year after that until there are no prospects turning out and meriting FA’s.
Play him everyday through the all star break and see what happens
winning records follow good bullpens
Who Aviles? If so, I bet he hits 250/320/ 400 with 2 or 3 errors... better than anything the royals have currently
by Royal2103 on Jun 8, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Works for me
winning records follow good bullpens
Maybe he's a better hitter than TPJ,
but that’s not exactly hard. You really think he’s capable based on 3-for-13 with a walk?
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He's actually been driving the ball in some of his AB's for outs, which is shocking
Seeing anybody in this lineup drive the ball not named Guillen / Gordon / Dejesus is tantalizing.
winning records follow good bullpens
No doubt
I’m glad he’s hitting the ball hard, too, I’m just not convinced this makes him capable to the point of deserving a starting job.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
His minor league stats were good, and his MLB small sample size has only continued to suggest that he deserves to play. Plus, the Royals aren’t exactly in a pennant race. The point is to get a look at deserving players and see who can possibly help in the future. The Royals have nothing to lose by giving Aviles the PT now and a lot to lose if they reach the season’s end with the same stiffs they were dumb enough to start anyway (TPJ at SS, Gload at 1B).
No,
his mlb small sample size has proved that he’s 3-for-13 with a walk. If I was to jump to conclusions based on that…well, he’s only hitting .231, he must be terrible, right?
You realize that I am not arguing in favor of Pena? I’m more in favor of Callaspo getting the PT and Aviles subbing in the middle infield, getting more PT when Grudz is (likely) traded.
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Callaspo
I’ve been a big Callaspo since his A+ days. LOVED it when I’d read that he was putting on a Royals uni.
I don’t think Alberto’s PT in 2009+ is at all in danger by anything Aviles does. I think GMDM is trying to figure out whether Aviles or Callaspo could reasonably hold down the everyday SS job in 2009, and the other should probably start at 2B. I don’t remember which FA 2B are available this offseason, but I’d rather see the Royals develop their own for once and put the money toward a position with greater impact.
I also think that playing Aviles could generate some trade interest.
In who?
I don’t think Alberto’s PT in 2009+ is at all in danger by anything Aviles does. I think GMDM is trying to figure out whether Aviles or Callaspo could reasonably hold down the everyday SS job in 2009, and the other should probably start at 2B.
Maybe you’re right, but it’s awfully hard to evaluate Callaspo as a player without giving him enough playing time to prove himself this year. and right now he’s losing PT to Aviles, who has never been the prospect Callaspo has. I agree that it’s a good idea to build from within.
And I highly doubt we can get much for Aviles…Grudz probably, Pena maybe.
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry.
The “In who?” was in re: to the trade interest.
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Aviles
If he plays and does well for a time in the bigs, then teams will research him, learn that he’s been a minor league all-star more than once, etc., and possibly have some interest.
I share your concern that Callaspo is not getting as much PT as he could and deserves to have, but my fingers are crossed that management has already decided he’s the future at SS or 2B next year.
What does that mean?
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
More than capable...
I don’t mean to be snarky, but if this season is about finding out whether guys can be part of the solution in KC, saying Aviles is “capable” based on 14 PAs isn’t very convincing.
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Aviles vs. TPJ vs. German
They want Callaspo to play second eventually. Between those three guys, pick the one you want. It’s not really even an option.
"We should've gotten a live chicken"
- Willie Mays Hays
Yes it is!
Pena stinks, I don’t want him starting. I’d prefer to see Callaspo getting more PT at short and Grudz upping his trade value.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno.
I was opposed, but as I think on it…
1) German’s upside is now Jose Offerman. And I mean the Offerman that ended up as a 1B. He cannot play short for this team.
2) Callaspo has callasped. I still feel he should get the PT, but I can sense Trey is sour on him, so…
3) Pena is Pena.
4) Moustakas is 2010.
If there is ever a time to give Aviles the opportunity, now is it; as such, I’m okay with him getting it.
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Callaspo
and his .350 OBP have collapsed? News to me. Otherwise, I agree! I seriously think some people still think I want TPJ in at short. I DON’T.
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He's getting on
but he’s not hitting a lick lately.
Don’t get me wrong; he’s our 2B going forward, and needs PT in the interim. But if Grudz broke his leg tomorrow, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion; you know you’d want AC at 2B and Aviles at SS.
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Whether Grudz gets hurt
is neither here nor there. What you’re saying about him needing PT right now is basically what I mean…Aviles shouldn’t get Pt at the expense of Callaspo.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, there was a subtle point there
which even I didn’t realize until after I made the comment.
From a development standpoint, Aviles isn’t the problem, Grudz is. If the argument is “we need to see what we’ve got”, then Mark needs to give way. If the counter to that is “we have to play Mark”, then right now the Aviles/Callaspo question is sort of a wash; one has OBP, the other has a bat.
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Oh, so now
there’s a difference between having a good OBP and having a bat? Weird. Let me know how that happened.
Grudzielanek is going to keep being played, because he’s playing well and the Royals will want to deal him for something shiny at the deadline. Until then, the easiest way to get Callaspo playing time is play him at SS-since he’s a real prospect-and Grudz at 2B into July. Then…really, who cares who plays short, he won’t be the SS when the Royals are competing.
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, there's a difference between having a good OBP and having a bat.
I shouldn’t even have to explain something so self-evident, not to you. You can take walks and not hit a lick, you know. And you can be a good hitter without racking up walks.
Jeez, I think I’ve made the comment “Teahen is the best batter on the team” while distinguishing “batter” from “hitter” enough that you’d see where I’m coming from there.
To go at this another way: logically, you must also think that Olivo is being grossly over-exposed (albeit with the recognition that even an over-exposed Olivo is preferable to Gload). Butler is in Omaha because Olivo was on a tear and could not be dislodged from the lineup; while Aviles is only hitting .231 or whatever, he IS hitting the ball very well, and I can accept as reasonable a decision to not bench him until he really starts to falter.
I guess what it comes down to is that you CAN put these nine guys in the lineup at the same time without playing any of them in an unfamiliar position: Buck, Teahen, Grudz, Callaspo, Gordon, Olivo, Guillen, DeJesus, Aviles. And that’s currently our best possible offensive lineup.
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Addendum
And the reason it’s a wash is because once you say “we have to play Mark”, the argument re: Callaspo needing PT becomes contradictory.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
See above.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You can’t tell either way. The strikeouts he’s looked bad, the doubles he;s looked pretty good. He has a nice swing and give the kid a month. He’s the second best defending shortstop on the team and as a rookie, on the royals, hitting 8th or 9th I’ll take 250/320/400 minimum. Who’s better there right now?
hey he had a walk
I think that puts him ahead of TPJ for the year
Success is counted sweetest by those who ne'er succeed. - Emily Dickinson
No.. it doesn't.
It was an IBB, and Pena’s got two of those already. :p
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Yes,
okay. But you realize saying he’s the second best defender at short is both lacking in evidence and damning with faint praise if it’s true, right?
Who’s better? As I’ve stated before, I was hoping the Royals would give the regular line-up spot to Callaspo since I think they’re grooming him to start at second everyday next year. I like Callaspo more than Aviles based on what I’ve seen and the numbers.
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Callaspo is a much better second baseman than short. He looks completely lost at short! every time! And sure he handles the bat ok but 3 extra base hits out of almost 30? Avlies already has that… True false sample size… But yes Pena is a much better defensive shortstop than his stats suggest (that he’s a decent at best one). But everyone was harping on Aviles defense coming up. Not too shabby if you ask me
Everything I've seen on Aviles
pegs him as below average at short. I’m not suggesting Callaspo is a great or even a good SS, but I think he’s going to benefit more from the PT.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a strong argument.
Except I didn’t say that I was basing my opinion only on KC scouts, did I?
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Who else has talked about him? Some guy for Baseball America who writes on 2000 kids a year? Which, yes, does tell you he’s not an elite prospect but neither was dan Uggla, or Eckstein, or Tejada, or…
Tejada wasn't a good prospect?
I beg to differ. Eckstein wasn’t an elite prospect…who turned into a player who has never been elite. Uggla flew under the radar with scouts, yes, but he always put up good numbers. Someone should have seen him coming.
The statisitics that Aviles has put up in the minors have never suggested he’s going to be much of a player. I’ve taken that into account too.
Also, if you’re saying scouts are always wrong…that’s not much of an argument.
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Never said scouts are always wrong. Where did that come from? I said Royals scouts are often misleading. And Tejada was called a kid with a glove that couldn’t hit for enough power or keep his strikeouts down… Never was supposed to be an MVP candidate. And Uggla did not not have great numbers. Good September callup numbers. Aviles has had very comparable. And Eckstein does not have the advantage of the GRIT factor… very true. But I’d take him on my team any day. Aviles stats have said that give him some glove work and he will be a decent player. I’ve mentioned three players that flew under that played short(Uggla now at 2nd) and I could go on and on. Scouts are great but you can only really tell with stats and playing time.
Response
Never said scouts are always wrong. Where did that come from? I said Royals scouts are often misleading.
Well, I was trying to make sense of that. I said that scouts had never really liked Aviles much, and you say that the scouts are often misleading. Still, saying that doesn’t prove anything specific in regard to one player (Aviles in this case).
And Tejada was called a kid with a glove that couldn’t hit for enough power or keep his strikeouts down… Never was supposed to be an MVP candidate.
By some, maybe, but Tejada was well thought of by others. Also, his stats show that he hit for a good amount of power at a young age, then was rushed to the majors and ended up developing there rather than in the high minors. Tejada was also 21 when broke in. That’s very young for a rookie.
And Uggla did not not have great numbers. Good September callup numbers. Aviles has had very comparable.
Uggla had 20 home runs and slugged over .500 in his last year in the minors. Those are good numbers, and I never said they were “great.” Aviles’s stats are only comparable if you throw out OBP.
I’ve mentioned three players that flew under that played short(Uggla now at 2nd) and I could go on and on. Scouts are great but you can only really tell with stats and playing time.
Dude, I’m a stathead. I follow the statisical analysis closer than I do the scouty part of baseball analysis. I KNOW that you can really only tell with the statistics, and I’m saying that based on them I don’t see Aviles as much of a player. Scouts have their place, I recognize that, of course, and they don’t have much to say in his favor either. Neither does a .330 OBP in a hitter’s AAA league, which was what Aviles did in a full season last year.
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I said Royals scouts not scouts in general…
Uggla did have a great final minor year. In AA. in a bad league. As the only hitter on his team. We can look back now and say yes, scouts were wrong about this kid. His drive was better than his projections. And a team with pretty solid scouting department thought he wasn’t worth it.
Believe me I love my stats too. And a little different than some on this site I have played college baseball and 7 minor league games. Wasn’t very physically gifted so that was for naught but I know a kid that can play when I see him…
by Royal2103 on Jun 8, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know,
you were saying that scouts in general had missed on Tejada, Uggla, and Eckstein. I responded in similar terms.
Good for you on the college and minor league thing. It sounds like you really liked playing baseball. If, however, that’s an attempt to show you have more knowledge on the subject than everyone else, I’m not impressed.
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by NHZ on Jun 9, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
death valley
gobbled up another drive
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 8, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
"Dimensions: Same as Yankee Stadium"
Ridiculous.
I’m all for maintaining tradition, unless it’s stupid as shit.
This fucking junk baller is setting us down
he throws meat balls up there and we keep missing them
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
*shutting* us down
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
THEY keep missing them
WE….keep typing and discussing what they’re doing.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My sincere apologies how could i be so F'ing stupid
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
we like it 96-99
w/ spotty control
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 8, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
2.2 perfect from Giese... that's an absolute killer
winning records follow good bullpens
Depressing highlights, no matter your team:
Any time they show a home run in Florida. The sight of the ball rattling around the empty seats is just sad.
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It makes me want
to go to Florida and get some baseballs.
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by NHZ on Jun 8, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
another pitcher looking like Cy Young
when they pitch against us
Success is counted sweetest by those who ne'er succeed. - Emily Dickinson
If we were Yankee fans instead
we’d be all over A-Rod right now for costing us a run!
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by jonfmorse on Jun 8, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
if we were Derek Jeter
we would be all over A-Rod
Success is counted sweetest by those who ne'er succeed. - Emily Dickinson
Will
are you guys registered at http://shop.mlb.com/shop/index.jsp?categoryId=1452354?
Success is counted sweetest by those who ne'er succeed. - Emily Dickinson
This is a bummer
I really thought we could get 2 out of 3 this weekend.
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I'd like to see this guy bean AJ in the next White Sox series
I think Fulchino would get the better of the battle if that jackass charged the mound.
we get it, Tompkins
women can’t understand sports. Funny commercial. Real original. Keep ‘em coming.
It's probably still not as bad
as, say, those Keystone commercials where the guys are all a bunch of infantile dorks unable to be honest with their women. Or the “ready to vent” Coors Light commercial, where dude feeds his girlfriend a line of shit in order to go drink with his buddies.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
how about the
Viagra commercials where the guys are all sitting around singing about getting a boner? That isn’t creepy at all…
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 8, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Aw, come on
You’ve never sat around with your buddies talking about your tools? What kinda weirdo ARE you?
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Nothing warms the cockles of my heart
like seeing Ross Gload trying to hit Mariano Rivera in the top of the 9th.
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Didn't know where else to post this
cause it’s not worthy of a fanpost or shot really, but Angel Berroa is in the starting lineup for the Dodgers game tonight. It’s on ESPN so if you can rip away from Game 2 of the finals to see his ABs, then do it, I’ll be very interested to see how he does.
by I need more Esteban on Jun 8, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
Well, strikeout in the second at bat
Um, at least he foul-tipped the third strike into the catcher’s glove?
And then another strikeout in his third at bat
Man, he looks like an old guy now compared to how he used to look. And that bat speed was just awful. It looked like he was in slow motion. 0-3 with 2 k’s. That’s very Angel. I just turned over for this at bat. I wonder how abysmal his play in the field was. I have a feeling he didn’t get to too many balls.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
Looked decent in the field from what I saw
Turned a double play, made a strong throw from deep in the hole. But I’m sure time will reveal the fielding flaws. Bat speed is indeed dreadful—I was rooting for him to draw a rare walk on the 3-2 count that became his final K.
by andrewmiller on Jun 8, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll handle most of the balls that come right to him
...but he doesn’t have much range left. And I can’t wait for the throwing errors which will inevitably come. I can’t believe that I read on this site within the last week that Berroa is good enough to be a roughly average MLB catcher. Yet another piece of evidence that most fans have a memory which lasts about 2 weeks. Either that or someone’s living 2003 and doesn’t recognize the effects of the unidirectional nature of the time continuum.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jun 8, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
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