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Spreadsheet Baseball: Catching A Cold...Again

I've been therapeutically playing the Blue Album and Pinkerton all day to try and take the sting out of how thoroughly farking mediocre Weezer's latest effort is. Yes, I realize probably no one else cares. I'm still going to complain about it when one of my favorite modern groups becomes the alternative rock equivalent of Bobby Higginson. To add video insult to musical injury, that thoroughly excreable single "The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived" won't stop bouncing around in my head. I want to punch myself in the face every time I catch myself singing the refrain. It's not a good song, but of course since it's a new song by a new brand band it's been on the radio approximately three thousand times in the last 24 hours. No, that's not a real figure. Excuse your local Stat Zombie if he makes up his own data every-so-often. To make matters worse, I can't stop running into people who offer the opinion "I don't like the new album, but the new single is cool." If you're one of these people, you should keep that a secret. If you don't, the robot that NYRoyal and have been building (remember, we share a brain) will come to your house and explain to you the true meaning of double secret probation.

  New-robocop-movie_medium

Your move, creep.

Of course, the robot and I have something else we need to tell you, or we wouldn't be writing about baseball. That thing is...lead singers ruin good bands. They really do. No one else in the band likes them, and then they force the people who actually make the band good to choose between pandering to the frontman ego or going their separate ways.

Oh, yes, and there's always the Royals catching situation. I'm supposed to be writing about that, too. I think a lot of people saw this coming, but it's something we need to talk about as a blog. It's actually probably something that most teams' blogs will be talking about...the Royals need--or lack thereof--for an upgrade at catcher. No, just kidding, I mean the catchers on their own teams. You see, catchers this year are terrible. It seems a lot of us are pretty disappointed with Buck this year--and the way he ended last year after his 1.000 OPS start--but let's put things in perspective.

 

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Hitting

Oddly enough, on a team that has struggled to hit the ball all season, the Royals aren't all that bad off at this position. John Buck and Miguel Olivo, relative to the paltry league average line for fellow Tools of Ignorance Wearers, have given the Royals a fairly productive catching tandem.

John Buck - .252/.324/.393

Miguel Olivo - .260/.291/.474

Joe Average - .266/.328/.398

Limit the discussion to batting for a moment, and we see that the Royals are actually pretty well off. Buck is essentially dead on for league average rates, which is a little scary since he was virtually the same last year. Olivo is the same player he's always been, which is a guy who swings at everything and, when a lefty throws it, he hits it far. The funny thing is, I think most of the critiscism this year in terms of the catchers has been directed at the guy who, of the two, is usually the better player. Olivo's lefty-mashing doesn't make up for his total lack of on-base ability and, while he's certainly a good platoon option, the fact that he's DHed against RHPs serves more to illustrate the scarcity of people who can actually hit the ball on the low end of the defensive spectrum more than saying anything good about Little Miggi. Observe:

Olivo vs. LHPs - .293/.349/.638

Olivo vs. RHPs - .246/.266/.406

Against lefties, Olivo's hitting looks a lot like Ryan Braun's last year. Against normals, Olivo hits a lot like Ryan Klesko last year...without the plate discipline. A .266 OBP is simply horrible, and Olivo's career number is only ten points higher. Put simply, Olivo simply is not a significant asset as a starting option because he disappears with the bat more than half the time. And no, John Buck hasn't exactly clocked righties either:

Buck vs. LHPs - .300/.397/.580

Buck vs. RHPs - .238/.301/.335

Historically, Buck's splits have not been this pronounced. Last year, Buck had no significant platoon split at all as he hit .231/.309/.429 against normals and a bizarre-looking .189/.307/.432 against weirdos. Obviously, there's some weird sample size stuff going on this year, as Olivo has correctly taken a lot of Buck's PAs versus lefties. Is Buck a great hitter against righties? No, of course, and he never has been. However, there's reason to expect more power from him going forward whereas Olivo's slugging percentage right now likely has nowhere to go but down. That aside, a .301 OBP from your catcher against righties isn't "ideal," but it's certainly more manageable than .266. A .266 OBP getting significant playing time in the middle of your line-up as a catcher is bad, as a DH said player will kill you faster than if you were drinking cyanide-laced Drano.

A Note on OPS/OPS+

Those of you who want to point to OPS will note that Olivo has definitely out-OPSed Buck this year...and it's as good a time as any to point out the significant caveats about using OPS. OPS, being on-base % + slugging %, is a neat quick reference stat, but it isn't very specific except at the extremes. For example, if a player is OPSing .500 in significant playing time, they're hitting badly no matter how you split up the OBP/SLG. Furthermore, if someone is OPSing 1.000, they're hitting well no matter how you split up the OBP/SLG. In-between, things are a lot hazier. There are a lot of different hitters who OPS between 750-850, and their value is heavily dependent on position and the OBP/SLG split. Saying that someone is OPSing 800 without any other information to qualify that statement is akin to saying that your date at the movies lasted the duration of the movie. I mean, good for you, but [insert a terrible joke about what base you got to here].

Fielding

Given that Buck is the better hitter overall, despite Olivo's obvious utility as a lefty-mashing catcher, fielding has to be the explanation for why Buck takes so much more flak than Olivo around these parts. Specifically, these defensive numbers come to mind:

Olivo SBA-CS: 10-9

Buck SBA-CS: 30-5

Of course, that's an ugly line for Buck, whereas Olivo's line is impressive. For those of you who prefer the percentages, that's 47% CS for Olivo versus only 17% for Buck. It's odd, because even with this year's dip in CS%, Buck's career rate is 28.6 CS%. Olivo's is, perhaps not so surprisingly, higher at 36.5%. But then, the knock--defensively--on Miggi has never been his arm. Rather, it's his propensity to have defensive lapses. Starting for the Marlins last year, Olivo made 12 errors and committed 16 passed balls, while Buck committed 8 errors and only 3 passed balls in logging the majority of the playing time behind the dish last year. The usual caveats with errors apply, hough one would think that catcher errors are usually pretty obvious. This year, in case you're wondering, Buck has 4 errors and 3 PBs in twice as many games behind the plate as Olivo, who has 3 and 2 respectively.

What does all this mean? It seems to support the somewhat mainstream rumors on Olivo that he has a gun for an arm but isn't all that solid behind the dish. Buck is probably due for a correction in terms of CSs, but it's safe to say that his arm is not as good as Olivo's. Nevertheless, he has to be considered less likely to make a bad play behind the plate when it comes to fielding his position. If Buck continues to only throw out one of every seven runners, this will become a problem that needs to be addressed, but I think we can expect that number to come up. Also complicit in the high number of stolen bases allowed by Buck have to be the pitchers. To attempt to find any trends in the SB/CSs against the Royals last year, I've been perusing baseball reference for an unhealthy amount of time this last week. The interesting things I found:

  • Zack Greinke has not had anyone steal a base off him this year. So on top of everything else, he holds runners well. There are two recoreded SB attempts all year against him, one on May 7th and the other on May 18th. In both cases, the runners were thrown out...by Buck on the 7th and Olivo on the 18th.
  • Joakim Soria allowed has not had anyone steal against him, which probably helps show how desperate teams are when the Mexicutioner is on the mound to make sure they don't waste baserunners. The only CS comes from June 4th...which was when Soria picked Carlos Quentin off second. I love Joakim Soria.
  • Ditto for Kyle Davies. But come on, who really needs to steal bases against Davies? He'll give them to you for free.
  • Luke Hochevar wins the award for the Royal pitcher most often the victim of thieves, as 14 runners have attempted to steal against him this year. Of those runners, only 4 have been thrown out. Two by Buck, two by Olivo. Six of the stolen bases have come off Buck-Hochevar, but Buck has been behind the dish for 10 out of Hochevar 15 starts to date.
  • None of John Buck's CSs have come when the Royals have a relief pitcher in the game, according to baseball-references's gamelogs. If someone can find one, please let me know if I screwed up, but by my count Buck has thrown out 25% of runners when the starting pitcher is in the game and allowed all 15 stealers to reach their destination when a relief pitcher is in. What exactly does this mean? We can't really conclude much from it, but I think it's fair to speculate that this isn't completely Buck's fault.
  • Olivo has thrown out a pretty cool 4 of 7 when the relievers are in, which still means that base stealers against Royals relief pitchers are 18 for 22, or successful 82% of the time. When our starters are pitching, enemy base stealers are 22 of 32, or successful 68% of the time. If anyone has any ideas when in heck this would be, please let me know.

Overall, I think Buck still contributes more as a regular than Olivo does despite Olivo's arm and ostensibly favorable hitting thanks to his lefty-destroying. When it comes to comparing who would make the better starter going forward, we also have to take in account that Buck is almost exactly two years younger than Olivo and doesn't face the constant threat of becoming a total OBP vortex as Olivo does when his batting average drops. Buck's PECOTA also compares favorably to Olivo's. Though looking at the seven-year forecasts of both players, one thing is absolutely clear: the Royals should have a plan in place to make sure that Buck does not have to be re-signed when he hits free agency. Whereas Olivo's statsical profile makes him less than a starter, his lefty-mashing and good arm should keep Miggi in the league for years after Buck has already hung up the spikes. John Buck is the best catcher on this team, dead average for this year's slash numbers, and most of you know by now what happens when a player who has average skills hits his decline phase. It's not pretty.

In the short term, we can enjoy the fact that catching isn't likely to become a big problem for this team, even if Olivo leaves at the deadline or at the end of the year. In the near future, Moore needs to recognize that Olivo is not worth holding onto at the expense of starting money or a possible prospect at the deadline. Long term, with any luck we'll be able to bring someone into the organization to take Buck's starting job away as his arbitration years end.

Spreadsheet Baseball returns next time with more on the trading deadline and more analysis of who on the Royals roster right now should stay there. In the mean time, questions/comments are welcome/encouraged, happy reading!

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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i have nothing to add… yet.

where .500 might; but, probably won't, happen.

by blue bandwagon on Jul 10, 2008 4:21 PM EDT   0 recs

OK, now I do have something to add...

That Weezer album sucked.

where .500 might; but, probably won't, happen.

by blue bandwagon on Jul 10, 2008 4:25 PM EDT   0 recs

I know

Did you like my Bobby Higginson analogy? I thought it quite appropriate. The Red Album = bad. Green album and Pinkerson = great. Everything else in-between = middling without Sharp.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 10, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

In his Age 29 year. We’ll call that the first couple songs on “Make Believe.”

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 10, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Spreadsheet Music: Weezer good album = bassist is Matt Sharp

Small sample size, but think of the amazing base lines and riffs from the blue album versus the lack of them since. You also have to wonder if Sharp kept drama-queen-half-assed-lead-singer-extraordinaire in line.

Good article about our catchers. How about we find a left-handed-hitting catcher who hits normals and then we’re all set (or is that what every team thinks?).

by benfunke on Jul 10, 2008 6:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's pretty much

what everyone thinks…on both counts. Sharp leaving ruined the band’s goodness, and a lefty-hitting catcher sure would be nice. Buck has, however, hit normals slightly better historically.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 10, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Editted

I meant the Blue Album and Pinkerton. Thanks for the catch.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 11, 2008 8:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Red Album

I thought it was a solid effort…Better than Pinkerton IMO, but not on the level of the Green Album

by adschofield on Jul 10, 2008 5:15 PM EDT   0 recs

Ugh

Maybe if “solid” means “mediocre and forgettable.”

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 10, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

question?

is buck beyond improvement? I mean, I don’t know how old he is or when he hits arbitration, but does he not have a couple years that he could peak or improve?

—ignore this question if it is stupid, and/or i missread/missed something you wrote about this above.

by cfizzle on Jul 10, 2008 5:45 PM EDT   0 recs

personally

I’ve just accepted him for what he is, which is fine. I think Buddy Bell killed his breakout season last year stillborn, which may have continued this season with the May Olivo fascination.

by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the jason larue experiment is still one of the most infuriating things of the buddy bell era...

although the list is long.

where .500 might; but, probably won't, happen.

by blue bandwagon on Jul 10, 2008 6:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't remind me

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 10, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well,

to be fair to Olivo, at least he hits lefties. and I second that Bell helped ruin Buck’s chance of being more.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 10, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He's 28

and I think he’s pretty much what he is now with a little more power than what he’s shown this year. Your question was not stupid at all.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 10, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

jose guillen didn't make the all-star team...

is very sad news. i hope he doesn’t cry like a baby.

where .500 might; but, probably won't, happen.

by blue bandwagon on Jul 10, 2008 7:08 PM EDT   0 recs

He's a big boy

He’ll get over it.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 10, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Olivo and Guillen are two peas in a pod

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Jul 11, 2008 1:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Might Include Our

“2 pitches behind the back of a former batterymate” RamRam in that pod.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 11, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How large is this pea pod?

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 11, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Very good read

I have a friend that is a Royals fan (although sometimes I think he knows nothing about the Royals/Baseball even though he plays Juco Baseball) and he swears that Buck is just awful.

I try to plead with him that he is right around the average for catchers in baseball but he won’t budge. He claims that we would be so much better off with someone else behind the plate. He also was very unimpressed by Buck’s 18 HRs last year, saying that a team needs more power from their catcher. I was baffled and really didn’t know what to say from this stupidity.

Anyways, this is good to read to make me feel better about my arguments. I’m still hoping for a little improvement from Buck but it might be wishful thinking.

I’d be interested to know if there is any evidence of a catcher calling a better game for Pitchers with their ERA difference when Buck and Olivo catch? I’ve seen a stat where the pitchers were a full run better in Buck;s starts than Olivo’s. Is this kind of data flawed? I also read that Buck leads the pitchers meetings which I think is something that is somewhat rare?

by I need more Esteban on Jul 11, 2008 4:20 PM EDT   0 recs

He must think Jorge Posada is just a slightly above average hitter for a catcher

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 11, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

As a hitter

Mike Piazza was “adequate”

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 11, 2008 9:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Joe Mauer is terrible

and Matt Wieters is not a prospect.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 12, 2008 12:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Response
I try to plead with him that he is right around the average for catchers in baseball but he won’t budge. He claims that we would be so much better off with someone else behind the plate. He also was very unimpressed by Buck’s 18 HRs last year, saying that a team needs more power from their catcher. I was baffled and really didn’t know what to say from this stupidity.

It’s really not at all uncommon for people not to understand the varying standards of hitting that are generally acceptable. While there’s no law of roster construction that says catchers have to be weak hitters, the physical demands of the position and the emphasis on defense makes guys like Mauer comparative stars and guys like Buck totally acceptable.

Anyways, this is good to read to make me feel better about my arguments. I’m still hoping for a little improvement from Buck but it might be wishful thinking.

I think we can expect Buck’s power to improve a little going forward-to the tune of over .400 SLG-but not much else. I’m onboard with Will’s idea that Bell and Barnett killed Buck’s chance of a sustained breakout.

I’d be interested to know if there is any evidence of a catcher calling a better game for Pitchers with their ERA difference when Buck and Olivo catch?

A good question. My dad and I had this discussion recently, and while you’re hear plenty of platitudes from the clubhouse, the sabermetric thinking on this is that all catchers who are good enough to make the majors must be good enough to call a game well.

I’ve seen a stat where the pitchers were a full run better in Buck’s starts than Olivo’s. Is this kind of data flawed?

Fatally, to the point where “Catcher’s ERA” is completely useless. Differences in CERA are just statistical noise. Doug Mirabelli had a couple years with a lower CERA than Varitek…because Tim Wakefield had a good year. It has everything to do with variance in pitcher’s performance and zip to do with the catchers themselves unless we’re talking about someone who allows everyone to steal all the time or makes 25 errors or something. That’s obviously an extreme.

I also read that Buck leads the pitchers meetings which I think is something that is somewhat rare?

As with most catchers, I believe Buck handles the pitching staff well. I wouldn’t place much weight in the number of pitcher’s meetings, though.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 12, 2008 12:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Does he ever play cards instead of running the meetings?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 13, 2008 6:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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