Jeffrey Flanagan gets squashed
And...once again a mainstreamer strikes back with the ever-witty "Mother's Basement" joke. Okay, look Jeffrey, that doesn't fly with anyone, really.
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ouch
owned.
I think they just straight stripped him of his media credentials right there.
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
by wildthang on
Jul 13, 2008 6:57 PM EDT
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Good ol' Ken
he was skewering sports writers back when the earth was young.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 13, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
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Good Point About
Stat guys actually trying to figure out what works and what doesn’t in a game they love. Sure, a knee-jerk sac bunt keeps you out of the DP, but it also trades 33% of your currency for that inning. Baseball is the most intensely statistical game of the major sports, ruled in large part by chance. Figuring out what gives you the best chance of success is harder in baseball than the other sports. Statistical analysis is as old as the game itself; blow it out your ass, Flanagan.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 13, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
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Forgot to add a tag "guys who are doing a much better job at their hoby than at their real jobs"
and “can’t wait for Ken and his colleagues to write 3 decent episodes in a row” needs to be added, too.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jul 13, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
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and "hobby"
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jul 13, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
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Statistical analysis.
Why is statistical analysis in baseball wholy rejected by the vast majority of mainstream sports media, while in other sports, such as football and basketball, it is conveniently and readily embraced?
by Royals Nation on
Jul 13, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
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Really?
All sports use statistics, of course, but are prospectus-type advanced stats really accepted more in football and basketball media? I’m not denying that there are tons of old-school media hacks who cover baseball, Posnanski’s not the only one who tries to keep up. ON the other hand, I can’t recall seeing Football Prospectus, for example, being quoted by mainstream football writers of Posnanski’s stature. Do football and/or basketball teams employ stats guys and develop proprietary methods of statistical analysis like many baseball organizations do.
I would hypothesize that the widespread popularity and accessibility (in terms of being able to subscribe to prospectus, buy James books, etc.) combined with the long term use of baseball stats in papers (especially the older ones that are now being replaced—BA, ERA, etc., sparking old-geezerism in itself) is what generates more visible resistance to those stats in baseball. Once they get more popular in other sports, there will be similar backlashes, perhaps a ban on adults living in the basements of family members.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jul 13, 2008 11:17 PM EDT
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Quarterback rating
I have no idea how that’s compiled, nor, do I imagine do most fans, but it seems to be embraced as a universal measure of quarterback efficiency.
I’ve also read its pretty antiquated and not a good measure, so perhaps that’s not the best example.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 14, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
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Do you see mainstream media guys talking about Hollinger from ESPN's PER(Player Efficiency Ratings) often?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 13, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
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for the NBA?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 13, 2008 11:40 PM EDT
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well, if you don't want to have to think and just react by "feel"
then you liked the way Buddy Bell managed. Ignoring statistical analysis because you are too lazy (I might write too stupid, but I don’t like the ad hominun attack route) to learn the process doesn’t mean you should make fun of it. I no longer read his column, it is usually full of nothing.
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on
Jul 13, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
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ha ha...is calling people lazy less of an attack than stupid?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 13, 2008 11:40 PM EDT
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yes! because I meant it to be so!
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on
Jul 14, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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What the hell, you steal my fanshot and everyone comments to you?
We are in hostilities now, sir.
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 14, 2008 1:57 AM EDT
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are you going to take up fisticuffs?
WE'RE GOING ALL THE WAY TO THIRD PLACE, BITCHES!
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 14, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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Fight! Fight! Fight!
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on
Jul 14, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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evil eye rights go to the highest bidder
I’ll make your enemy pay.
WE'RE GOING ALL THE WAY TO THIRD PLACE, BITCHES!
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 14, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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ooh, this will ensure a dirty, no holding back fight
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on
Jul 14, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
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It is SO on.
Like Donkey Kong.
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 15, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
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Sorry, sorry.
But don’t pretend like you’re not impressed.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 14, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
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Don't try and talk your way out of this.
Only one of us is going to walk out of this alive… and it won’t be me!*
- - actual goofed-up Captain America quote from the 70s.
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 15, 2008 12:13 AM EDT
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when Captain America throws his mighty shield...
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on
Jul 15, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
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I feel a little responsible for this....I was the one who mailed this into FJM....
it was too golden to pass up…..”GOLD JERRY, GOLD!!”

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on
Jul 14, 2008 9:18 AM EDT
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From Ernest Hemingway
To Jeffrey Flanagan. The Star has a proud tradition of great writing.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 14, 2008 10:00 AM EDT
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Hey
Here are the arbitron ratings for this week:
KCSP 5.8
WHB 8.1
Here’s what Ken Harvey is up to: he got signed by the Kansas City T-Bones of the independent league.
Here’s a tidbit – the new restaurant at Kauffman Stadium will be named “Rivals”
That’s basically a Jeffrey Flanagan column. The Star is looking to cut costs – hire me!
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 14, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
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Athletes don't like stats
In answer to the “why is advanced statistical analysis rejected question. I think it goes like this:
- the majority of those doing the analysis were or are athletes. Because, you can’t know anything about sports unless you’ve played them at an elite level, duh.
- most advanced stats try to provide insight beyond what we can easily see on the surface, often resulting in determining that a player is not as good as people think or not as bad as people think. It challenges the bedrock of everything they were taught in playing (see: “productive outs”, “grittiness”, etc.).
- some of these stats dare to try to be predictive. Things like Pecota REALLY piss them off because they often predict their declines and no athlete wants to be told he’s about to be finished.
Notice nowhere in that did I say that athletes are stupid so they don’t like math, which would be the equivalent of the “mom’s basement” argument.
FWIW- when I first read that Flanagan was going to do the nickname thing, I thought the “mom’s basement” nickname was actually an homage to the FGM folks. But that was before the cheesy definitions.
by Big Guy on
Jul 14, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
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jeffrey flanagan is a total douche bag...
and i will never forgive him for his man-crush on aaron guiel.
where .500 might; but, probably won't, happen.
by blue bandwagon on
Jul 14, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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