RRMLP: Looking back at the 2005 Draft
Digging a bit deeper into Royals draft history, I went through the 2005 Kansas City draft. After three plus years of professional baseball we can get an okay read on these picks now. The haul was pretty poor, but actually a bit better than I expected. Gordon was the top pick and we all know about him. There are a couple of other players from that draft who I rate at about C+ (Nicoll and Dickerson) and four more at C (Bianchi, Thibault, Penn & Kniginyzky). So I would rate the 2005 draft as below average but not horrible at this point.
Just as a note. After three years even high school players should be up to AA if they are really hot prospects. If a player is doing well at High or Low-A after three years they still have a shot at living the dream, but it is very unlikely at this point they they will ever be an impact player. Dickerson, Bianchi, Penn and Kniginyzky still might play major league baseball but more likely as roster filler types. The only player I got excited about while doing this report was Chris Nicoll.
2005 Draft
1st Round – Alex Gordon – We all know about him.
2nd Round – Jeff Bianchi – High School Shortstop. Made it into High-A Wilmington this year. OPSing .687. He hit very well in 40 games as an Arizona Royals but struggled badly last year in Low-A Burlington (.247/.296/.315). This year he continues to swing and miss a lot but is showing some power (.414 Slugging). If he can stay at shortstop he remains a prospect. How is his work in the field?
3rd Round - Chris Nicoll – Starting Pitcher. Three year starter at Cal-Irvine. He has made it up to AA this year. He is looking good. In almost 300 innings of minor league work he has over a K per 9 and is giving up only 6.6 hits per nine. Seems like a real prospect.
Joe Dickerson – 4th Round – High school outfielder. He is up to High-A Wilmington now and having a good year (.297/.376/.442). This is a big improvement over what he did last year in Low-A so there is hope for him. He also seems to be learning how to steal bases a bit better. His first year he was 9 for 21. So far in ’08 he is 24 for 38. So he looks like a toolsy player who is developing.
Shawn Hayes – 5th round – Drafted out of Franklin Pierce University (?). He was at SS but now at 3B I think. He missed all of 2007. Injury? He is at Low-A this year and is not hitting (.232/.362/.321). He hit very poorly for two years at Idaho Falls as well.
Ryan Dipietro – 6th Round – Starting Pitcher from Eastern Connecticut State. He seems to be gone. He had a poor ’07 in Low A Burlington and is not playing this year.
Brett Fisher – 7th Round – High school pitcher. He pitched well in ’05 and ’06 at the Rookie level but was roughed up in Low-A in ’07. He seems to be on a rehab assignment now with the Arizona Royals.
Nicholas Doscher – 8th Round – High school catcher. Spent three years in Rookie ball. Finally up to Low-A this year. Has never hit.
Kiel Thibault – 9th Round – Catcher out of Gonzaga. He is up to AA now. His hitting is very inconsistent. His overall MiLB numbers (.262/.333/.384). Last year at High-A he OPSed .675 and this year he is off to a very slow start at AA.
Jeff Howell – 10th Round – Community College Catcher. He is up to High-A this year. His hitting is not impressive (.254/.321/.383).
Michael Penn – 11th Round – Starting Pitcher out of the University of Michigan. The Royals prospect in black jeans. Penn finally made it up to High-A this year and is doing okay. 4.04 ERA in 62.1 Innings. Very low BB/9 totals (1.73) but nothing else about him is impressive. A 25 year old pitcher at High-A. Unless he makes a move his time will have passed soon.
Cody Harkcom – 12 Round – Jr. College pitcher. He washed out of the organization after the 2006 season. Poor control without offsetting power.
Andrew Larsen – 13th Round – Outfielder out of Stony Brook University. He washed out of the organization after the ’07 season. Never hit.
Anton Sabatini – 14th Round – Outfielder out of Louisiana Tech. He washed out of the organization after the ’06 season. Never hit.
Brady Everett – 15th Round – Outfielder out of Clemson. Washed out of the organization after the ’07 season. Never hit.
Mario Santiago – 16th Round – Community College pitcher. He is up to High-A now and pitching ehhh. 3.94 ERA is good, K/9 rate (5.1) and H/9 rate (10.4) not so good. Still has a shot.
Miguel Vasquez – 17th round – Community College infielder. Did not sign with Royals. Was taken in the 32nd round by the Brewers last year and is still in Rookie ball.
Paul Raglione – 18th Round – High school pitcher. He has been bad. He missed ’07. Injury? He just made the jump to Low-A this year and is not off to a good start, but he seems to have hung on.
Zane Chavez – 19th Round. Did not sign. Has never played professional baseball.
Bryan Casey – 20th Round – Pitcher out of Arizona Western College (?). Pitched poorly at Idaho Falls in ’06, missed ’07, and is now pitching well in a return engagement at Idaho Falls. Maybe some hope here?
Matt Kniginyzky – 22nd round - NCAA Pitcher out of High Point. He is up to High-A and has really been pretty good in the minor leagues. This year he has a 3.74 ERA and a nice BB/K ratio in 89 Innings of work (34/72). He gives up almost exactly a hit an inning. Nice pick.
I think Kniginyzky is the only pick after the top twenty that is still in the organization.
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Good stuff once again
This is Allard Baird’s last draft and maybe evidence of what was wrong with that regime as far as player scouting and drafting. The 2006 draft was right before Dayton took over, are we still under the assumption that he did not partake in draft activities? Or is it believed that DM was involved in that?
by I need more Esteban on
Jul 18, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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Why should we not believe
that Dayton Moore is telling the truth about not being involved in the 2006 draft? He helped Atlanta prepare for their draft, the conflict of interest would have been huge. He does not strike me as being particularly dishonest.
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by cmkeller on
Jul 18, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
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I couldn't agree more
I’ve just heard many people say that they think he was involved in the drafting of Hochevar and others. I’ve never really had a take on it either way.
by I need more Esteban on
Jul 18, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
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There are a couple of interesting mid-range prospects here
(Fisher, Bianchi, and Nicol) in particular, but overall have to agree, it’s a rather disappointing draft. In response to Esteban’s question, I tend to think GMDM had very little involvement with the 2006 draft. Nice Post JQ!
by lordbyronk on
Jul 18, 2008 11:29 AM EDT
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Matt Kniginyzky
I like this guy. He has always had an era around 4 or below and eats a lot of innings where ever he plays. I will enjoy seeing his transition to AA and to watch Nicoll if he makes it to Omaha next season. Greg Holland should be another one to watch at AA in 2009.
by grudz96 on
Jul 18, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
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I like the grinders a lot as well.
Guys who do not come in with a golden prospect label but who work and get the job done. It is how I see myself on good days.
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by James Quinn on
Jul 18, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
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Aside from Gordon
my two favs are Nicoll and Dickerson.
After a really crappy year last year its nice to see Nicoll rebounding and putting up some really great numbers. Looks like he’s out of the pen, but he could be our swingman of the future, or hell if he keeps doing what he’s doing at AA he could be the closer of the future.
I think Dickerson could be pretty good too. I like his potential power/speed combination. He isn’t exactly lighting the world on fire but he is still only twenty years old. Would like to see more doubles but he could be an interesting future 1 or 2 man in the lineup. Statistically, he looks a lot better than Teahen did at the same age, and if he has a breakout next year he could possibly eventually eclipse Teahen as a prospect.
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
by wildthang on
Jul 18, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
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maybe when we trade teahen... he can step in
i need to start printing out these minor league reports and keeping them for my files
by royalsreview on
Jul 18, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
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Hi Will,
Thanks for the note.
Maybe it would be good to add a "section" on the left side for the RRMLP’s. To make it convenient for people to keep up with them. Just a thought.
I’ve had a bit more time for baseball this week. I finished my summer teaching a few weeks back. I’ll be out of the states from August through December but I am sure I’ll find some time to check in to RR. Last year I was in France in June and July and the Royals went on a tear. Maybe the Royal’s success is inversely proportional to my distance from Kauffman Stadium
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by James Quinn on
Jul 18, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
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I think Dickerson will be competing more with...
...Maier/Costa/Moustakas/Lubanski/McFall for playing time by the time he is ready. If all goes well for him he will be competing for playing time at best in 2010. I suspect Moustakas will be in RF by then unless Gordon leaves the organization.
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by James Quinn on
Jul 18, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
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I didn't mean to say
he would compete with Teahen, just his minor league statistical profile is better than Teahen’s to this point.
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
by wildthang on
Jul 18, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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wow JQ... you've had a good run here
just imagine if this had been a good draft…
by royalsreview on
Jul 18, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
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Glad someone caught that.
The Penn’s had themselves some good genes (bad pun alert!)
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by James Quinn on
Jul 18, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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As of now
the draft boils down to Alex Gordon, a decent relief pitcher, a tweener outfielder, and a great joke about Sean Penn’s brother.
by Gopherballs on
Jul 18, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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Just my opinion,
but a draft that produces one good player and one or two roster types is a wash. It looks like 2005 will fall a below that level. Gordon looks to be pretty good (if not great). The Royals will be lucky to find two MLB roster worthy guys among the other 49 picks. Maybe Nicoll and/or Dickerson will surprise still.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
by James Quinn on
Jul 18, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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It's not a disaster because of Gordon
but it is bad when after only three years, it looks like the only player with a clear path to the majors (other than the second pick of the entire draft) is a AA reliever. Not surprisingly, all of the signability picks after the first round have fallen short of expectations. The players taken after the Royals pick in the next three rounds in 2005 were:
2nd: Ivan DeJesus—good SS prospect
Other notables: Craig Italiano, Chris Mason, Mike Costanzo, Chase Headley, Kevin Slowey, Yunel Escobar
3rd: Micah Owings—MLB starter
Other notables: Brandon Erbe, Taylor Teargarden, Jensen Lewis, Brett Gardner
4th: Justin Thomas—decent LHP prospect until injuries hit in AA
Other notables: Matt Gamel, Jeremy Hellickson, Brent Lillibridge
by Gopherballs on
Jul 18, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
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I wish you had taken the time to see who else was available (and could have reasonably been taken) instead. Of course that kind of thing is always hindsight, but it helps with a frame of reference for our own choices.
by sfeldkamp on
Jul 18, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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Here are some names
Other guys taken in 2005 that the Royals passed over:
In the first round the Royals took Gordon. They passed over a few other players which who might today be regarded as superior. Ryan Zimmerman (3B, Wash), Ryan Braun (3B, Brewers), Troy Tulowitzki (SS, Col), Jay Bruce (OF, Reds), Clay Buchholz (SP, Redsox). I don’t think the Gordon pick looks bad in retrospect.
Other later picks which look really good now:
Chase Headley (3B, SD, 2nd Round), Yunel Escobar (SS, Atlanta, 2nd Round), Micah Owings (SP, Arizona, 3rd Round), Taylor Teagarden (C, Texas, 3rd Round), Jensen Lewis (RP, Cleveland, 3rd Round), Gaby Sanchez (C, 4th Round, Florida), John Meloan (RP, LAD, 5th Round), Greg Smith (RP, Arizona, 6th Round), John Lannan (SP, 11th Round, Washington), Alan Horne (SP, NYY, 11th Round), Matt Joyce (OF, 12th Round, Detroit), …
All these guys taken after the first round are already established in the MLB or looking like they are about to enter as impact players.
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by James Quinn on
Jul 18, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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Franklin Pierce (?)
is a hotbed. It’s in New Hampshire, and the program is extremely well-regarded for a cold-weather school.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 18, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
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No scouting basis for this,
but I have a gut feeling that Joe Dickerson will become a successful major league starting outfielder – at least for 3-5 years or so.
That would make this draft look a bit more acceptable (although possibly still below par).
by loyal2sdad on
Jul 18, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
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yeah
those lists of players taken after our picks make this draft pretty hard to stomach. Just think if we just had ONE of those guys on any of those lists, we would probably have another player either producing at the ML level or knocking on the door.
I hope we can get a look at 06 and hopefully it can calm us all down a little.
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
by wildthang on
Jul 18, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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Daniel Gutierrez
Round 33.
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by doublestix on
Jul 18, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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Dohhh!
My bad. Daniel Gutierrez is having a great year in Low-A. Cube him here. If he holds up for another few months at this level he will be a C+ prospect in my book.
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by James Quinn on
Jul 18, 2008 4:36 PM EDT
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nice outing from him tonight too
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
by wildthang on
Jul 19, 2008 2:15 AM EDT
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Yet another completely dominating outing
Gutierrez is absolutely destroying the Midwest League. He’s clearly at the wrong level.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 19, 2008 11:57 AM EDT
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Also...
Just to add on.
Hayes and Doscher were released about a month ago. Raglione had TJ at the end of ‘06 and missed last year.
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by doublestix on
Jul 18, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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DiPietro was released as well.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 21, 2008 8:08 AM EDT
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BRETT FISHER NOW!!!
where tpj happens.
by blue bandwagon on
Jul 18, 2008 5:34 PM EDT
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Chris Nicoll
From what bits I’ve seen on Nicoll, he looks promising. Seems to have good command of the strike zone. I could see him finding a bullpen role down the line.
Longlorious.
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by RATW on
Jul 19, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
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Nicoll
I think he should be moved back to the rotation…but, that might not happen. He’s got middle of the rotation potential if he does. Was one of my favorite prospects before what happened last year.
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by doublestix on
Jul 19, 2008 12:53 AM EDT
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Isn't he more of a control pitcher with mediocre stuff?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 19, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
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Nicoll
All of his pitches grade out as average or slightly above average. He’s sitting low 90’s in relief, if he can do that in a starting role I’d be even really be excited about his starting potential. It’s a possibility too, since scouts expected his velocity to climb after he was drafted.
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by doublestix on
Jul 19, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
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Off the top of my head
Micah Owings might be good comparison.
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by doublestix on
Jul 19, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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What happened last year with Nicoll?
My knowledge of the Royals farm is limited to the ‘08 Naturals. I have season tickets through my employer. Now I’m hooked, but playing catch-up trying to learn more about the Royals farm—so I lurk around here.
From what I’ve seen of the Naturals, Kaaihue has a great approach at the plate; good eye and doesn’t get cheated when he makes contact. Kind of reminds me of Carlos Pena. McFall shows flashes of power. That’s about it for position players.
There are some potentially useful arms in Pimental, Cortes, Plummer, Wood and Nicoll. I doubt any of them will be frontline major league starters, but you could probably fill out a good bullpen and back of the rotation between them.
Carlos Rosa has been the most interesting player through there so far.
Longlorious.
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by RATW on
Jul 19, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
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Nicoll...
He fought the “yips” last year and didn’t pitch much before being sent to Arizona and then home.
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by doublestix on
Jul 19, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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Hmmm, maybe we have a nick name here.
Tyler “Yips” Sample.
Update on his year. 10 innings, 14 walks, 2 hit batters, 4 wild pitches.
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by James Quinn on
Jul 19, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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was shawn hayes the twink on Will and Grace?
"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise
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Jul 19, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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