Game 87 Open Thread - Royals (38-46) at Orioles (42-40)
by Freneau on Jul 2, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
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PrintKansas City Royals at Baltimore Orioles, Jul 2, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
It's Gil Meche (4.66 ERA) versus Daniel Cabrera (4.53 ERA) tonight in Maryland. As Chris Altruda notes in his game preview:
Meche (6-8, 4.66 ERA) is trying to win four straight starts for the first time since May 16-June 4, 2003, while pitching for Seattle. The right-hander has a 2.25 ERA during his winning streak, but is 0-5 in seven starts despite a 3.32 ERA versus the Orioles since the 2006 season.
Meanwhile, here's what SC at Camden Chat has to say about Cabrera:
Cabrera has, well, hit a wall. After his May 20th start, his ERA stood at 3.48. He was oupitching even optimistic predictions, really, and going seven routinely.
Since then, his ERA has risen to 4.53. Why? The walks are back in some part. Over his last 42 innings, he's walked 23. Not as awful as he used to be, but pretty bad. But the walks aren't killing him. May 20 and prior, he had just twice given up more hits than innings he'd pitched. Since then, he's done it five times, and the other two starts had him giving up six in six innings and six in seven innings.
The lack of strikeouts -- a problem that started last season -- are hurting him. When he doesn't have his best stuff, he's going to get rocked. Plus, the fact is he's throwing almost all fastballs. That's a great theory, and it worked well for a little bit. But his fastball is not so good that he can work six-seven innings off of that pitch exclusively on a consistent basis. He doesn't blow it by anyone anymore. His K/9 is a really pedestrian 5.28, which gives him a pretty crappy K-to-BB ratio, too.
I'm really not trying to harsh any buzzes, but Cabrera's as good as he's going to get unless he suddenly figures out how to strike batters out again. He's a fourth/fifth starter that can eat up innings.
Pre-game question: who has the stronger organization overall (rookie ball to the Majors) Baltimore or Kansas City?
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More pre-game questions---and an answer
1. How many walks are we going to get?
2. How many runs will Meche allow?
3. Will Aviles recover?
4. Will Butler hit something more than a single?
But on royalsreview’s question, let’s go with the Royals. Andy McPhail has only had one year in Baltimore, but they’re on their way up. I think the Royals are a bit better because of pitching. – TL
Just to tack on another plus for KC over Baltimore
BBQ is better than crabcakes
Boog’s BBQ, the food staple of Camden Yards.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
It's not really BBQ
It’s pit beef, totally different. We actually talked about it a bit the other day in preparation for an OK O’s fan coming to town.
http://www.camdenchat.com/2008/7/1/562467/need-some-suggestions. drj summed it up nicely with:
BPinOK, pit beef isn’t anything like the BBQ you are thinking of. It’s beef with a rub, grilled until it is crusty on the outside, rare in the inside (I told you it isn’t BBQ). It’s thinly sliced and heaped on a kaiser roll (maybe rye) with generous horseradish and tomato.
Sorry for the late reply here. I like to read the other team’s game thread post game :)
"We’re not concerned about what other teams think. I know teams come in here thinking we’re playing the Orioles. And then 9 innings later, they got the loss, they know what we’re about." ~Adam Jones
Ill Tell You
1. 4
2. 0
3. No
4. No
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
My own predictions: ...
1. 5
2. 2
3. Yes. 2-3, walk, double
4. Yes. First home since returning.
...How’s that for optimism?! – TL
Well, I was definitely...
...overoptimistic. Very sad. Not a single one of my predictions came true. This is going to sound crazy, but I’m most disappointed by the fact that we drew not a single walk. – TL
I'll bite...
1. 6
2. 3
3. In an AVILANCHE OF AVILES NOW!!!!1 But yea…1-4, no defensive problems.
4. Nope.
the royals minors are stronger
because they are fed on good american bbq in honest midwestern towns (except wilmington) and baltimorean minor leaguers mostly eat crabcakes in the chesapeake watershed.
!0th 1112###
1. This is a binary equation, he either will give up 8 or zero, depending on how hacktastic we decide to be and if Cabrera is on or not.
2. Meche = 6 innings, 3 runs
3. Aviles will never play another game in the major leagues after last night’s meltdown. Such is the life of a non-prospect. No margin for error. TPJ has the opening he needs to seize the job by the throat and rake at a .211 clip the rest of the year.
4. Hard to hit anything but the toilet when you’re not even in the lineup. I’m really starting to not like Butler, he’s a fat f@cking baby.
The entire city of Baltimore and Peter Angelo$ are both douchebags, pretty much.
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 6:34 PM EDT reply actions
Too Much Grit
In the 5 hole, but Aviles at 2 looks good.
D. DeJesus lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .316
M. Aviles ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .303
A. Gordon 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .262
J. Guillen dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .277
M. Grudzielanek 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .306
M. Teahen rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .258
R. Gload 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264
J. Buck c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
J. Gathright cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .249
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Hoagy is being a baby, DH’ing and keeping Billy on the bench.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
yay! I'm...not going to be able to watch the game tonight :\
I’m currently sitting at the train station, though it is going to be at least 45 minutes late in its arrival. Boo. Probably longer. Oh well, go royals!
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
Are you in B-more?
I was just there 2 weeks ago, and I will say that the train service (I had to get from Baltimore to DC) was awesome. So wish we had something like that here. Oh well, much better to be reactionary. Have a good time while you’re there.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
nope, I'm in warrensburg
waiting on the train going to Jeff City. I’m a big fan of public transportation for the saving of mother earth and all that jazz. Plus, why take a round trip in the car that’ll cost me $40 in gas when I can take the train for $25.70?
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 2, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
personally
I hope we have an awesomesauce double decker train considering the holiday and everything. Ticket prices are way higher starting tomorrow so…yeahhh.
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 2, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, not quite as glamorous as Baltimore
but close. Totally with you on the train, they need to implement a hi-speed train between here and St. Louis. I-70 is a death trap.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
the legislature had a bill back in November
that would add a second track between KC and JC, because a major issue is the freight trains and how long they are. even though amtrak legally has the right of way, we end up stopping to let the freights pass because the waiting tracks are too small. The cost of adding a second track was high, but very much worth it in my opinion. No idea if it passed or not, I’ll have to google it sometime.
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 2, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
didn't know that
stopping every so often would get really annoying.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
it’s honestly not that bad. it happens maybe twice (or thrice…yes, I just wanted an excuse to say thrice) between warrensburg and jeff city. you’re not behind the wheel, if you have something to do you don’t really notice. at least I don’t notice it.
The only thing that annoys me is when it’s ridiculously late.
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 2, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
you could text
without having to worry about crashing
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
my answers
1. 3
2. 2
3. Yes, 2-hit game, no errors
4. No, single and a walk tonight
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 2, 2008 6:56 PM EDT reply actions
MLB.com Is Giving
Me KMBZ, with some generic local talk show. It’s awesome squared.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
oh boy!
looks like you ain’t watching the game either, sucka!
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 2, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No, They Switched
At the top of the hour.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 2, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
well, looks like i'm gonna head out to watch the game at a bar, be social
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 2, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
...conformist
way to not be social in the most unsocial way possible. Psssh, game threads are sooo much better than bars. Except probably not, never gone to a bar to watch a game before so I wouldn’t really know.
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 2, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If I Went
To a bar here I’d be treated to NASCAR.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 2, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The Guy Who
Sang the anthem did some serious editing; probably should thank him.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
for what its worth i totally just bought
a mexicutioner shirt. it seemed epic enough to be worth the money for it.
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
WELCOME BACK DAVEY!!!!
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 2, 2008 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
DDJ
very good
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
Bueno
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
OMFG WELCOME DAVID 14 GAME HITING STREAK
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce you to
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
How Many Royals
Will have double digit HR’s this year?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
10!
i’m…optimistic?
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 2, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
5-7?
Gui-bag
Tea-bag
Gordon
DeJesus
Olivo
Aviles? Buck?
I would include Baby Butler but he is the reincarnation of Sean Casey with worse social skills.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
6
Guillen, Gordon, Olivo, Teahen, DeJesus, Buck (hot streak please?)
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 2, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions
unlikely, but possible
i think Buck is more likely to catch a little bit of fire
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 2, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
weird i think aviles is more likely...
but lets not forget about gathright… that guy has raw power
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
I think Aviles is more likely
For Aviles to get to 10, he’s just got to keep hitting, in all honestly. For Buck to get there, something’s going to have to change; either he’s going to have to just get hot, or he’s going to have to fundamentally alter his stance and/or approach.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
alter his stance
We know he will do that. He is good for a new stance/approach every other week.
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
I think we've got a nickname for Butler
Billy the Kid
Probably been suggested before, but not with the kid meaning baby
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
+1
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply actions
Sure enough, as i predicted last night...
kietzman and his crew demolished Jose for a solid 3 hours today for not going after the fly ball that he may or may not have seen, when he may or may not be really really injured, but never any mention of davey not playing at all b/c he had a BRUISE…or sweeney before him…kietzman and Jack harry want to CUT him
TPJ...you're dead to me
That's okay, I'm also KSU
which means I’ve had to hate you ever since I saw your name. :p
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
Kietzman < irrelevant
Keitzman = Ron Burgundy
Keitzman = sour grapes for not having the Royals anymore
Keitzman = purple douchebag
Petro + St. John + Bukaty = unparallelled excellence
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
petro is awesome...by far my favorite guy in town....
st john is alright most of the time….not a huge bukaty fan
TPJ...you're dead to me
Petro is hilarious
He knows his sh!t.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
yep...today kietz was talking for 15 mins about holliday...
and kept saying…i dont know how long he’s signed for….
...terrible b/c it takes 10 secs on the internet to find that out
...even more terrible b/c the show preceding his…on the station that he owns…talked about it for a long time that holliday has 4 years left
soren is definitely awesome…knows his stats….gets pissed and goes on tirades when necessary
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 2, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We've been really, really good at giving runs RIGHT back in this series.
Demoralizing
winning records follow good bullpens
Not a Good stat so far
Baltimore 10 Xb hits / 20 in th series so far. Is that bad luck or bad pitches.
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
Ugh, where the hell is Butler tonight?
He’s done nothing but hit since get called up
winning records follow good bullpens
They couldn't get him
out of his exersaucer
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He's done nothing but walk and single since he got called up
There, I fixed ur comment
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
More fundamental failings, can't move the runner over
Probably going to cost us a run
winning records follow good bullpens
Yep
Teahen has been beyond godawful with runners on base this year
winning records follow good bullpens
grudz 663 OPS risp…695 men on
teahen 741 risp 740 men on
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 2, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It's funny that after last night
when I had to prove how bad Grudz has been with runners on, you should say this… ‘cause while Teahen’s not been great, he’s over 100 points of OPS better than Grudz is.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
whats worse than 'beyond godawful'?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 2, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
oh...you didnt have to prove it to me...i was the one who started that and then was told i dont watch the games
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 2, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, I wasn't directing that at you, which is why my reply is to slayor ;)
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
it was just under my post...i get confused easily
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 2, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish our CF LOOKED like a badass like adam jones does....
or at least someone on our team
TPJ...you're dead to me
i wish we could have these umpires every series
TPJ...you're dead to me
They have been good at screwing us over, that's for sure
winning records follow good bullpens
Yay, leadoff walk to Melvin Mora
Meche looks like shit thus far
winning records follow good bullpens
hah.
lets calm down it was a 2 run homer.. it sucks but there is still a lot more baseball… he can still go 7 innings with only 2 ER
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
yes i did.. i get angry in the 7th, 8th, 9th innings
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
or when someone gets ROCKED
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
I'll have hope once he starts locating
winning records follow good bullpens
Fahey looks like he weighs 125
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
Beautiful Meche !
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
homer off the warehouse time
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 2, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish they would let him swing more.
That slap style just isn’t gonna be that consistent.
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
DDJ
is unstoppable right now.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
David... your so fucking good..
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
HAHA! I CALLED IT
Aviles is still gonna suck ass tonight
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
Jesus, Aviles 3 double plays in last 7 AB's
What the hell
winning records follow good bullpens
Could the magic of
Mike Aviles be leaving us? I really hope not….he might be due for a day off to be honest…clear his head. There is a lot of game left, though.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions
BA under .300 now
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
It's more regression to the mean than anything else...
With all of the great games he strung together to begin his MLB career, he was bound to have some 0-fers strung together at least once this season. This looks like this will be one of those stretches.
However, I really don’t think it should change our opinion of him. What will really tell whether he can stick or not is how he hits the next three weeks or so, and how he adjusts to the adjustments the league has made on him.
He's Hit Some
Balls hard that just didn’t fall in. BABIP is a whimsical thing.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 2, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
This lineup reminds me of Arizona State a few years ago
when Jeff Larish was their leadoff hitter. Best hitter leadingoff
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
AVILANCHE
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
Crazy little thing
called glove
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
My Dog Wants
To eat, but that’s pretty much 24/7. She also wants me to kill a squirrel, but I can’t see it because of the foliage. 72F and sunny with just enough wind to make it bearable in the sun.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
Surriously
It’s the end to a short week of afternoon lifeguarding because of the 4th. That means this week is the only week in the next eight that I won’t be spending 5-7PM yelling at 40 screaming kids who can’t swim.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 2, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i know the feeling,
i worked at a community pool for all four years of highschool, and freshman year of college. Lifeguarded for two years.. But other than the annoying kids… i mean the great looking chicks in bikini’s made up for them. and the staff was always cool, good staff parties.
Yea,
Most of the time I get stuck guarding for youth swim or family swim, so not so much on the great looking chicks in bikinis…but the girls I work with make up for that. ;)
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 2, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yah i dunno what it is but,
the staff where i worked was always awsome. Always a different girl each year, was nice. It helped that all my best friends from high school made up about 50% of the staff too.
I think attractive young women
are drawn to lifeguarding, as a rule.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 2, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I see Meche gave it... right back
Good pitching Sir
winning records follow good bullpens
Leaping lizards, Batman
DDJ is up to .322 and is one short of the magic double digits.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
Brandon Fahey is playing short for the O's
Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
And we're still losing
winning records follow good bullpens
It's a moral victory
that we don’t have the O’s SS situation.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 2, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Team needs to wake up
We appear to be sleepwalking through tonight’s contest thus far.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 2, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
Jay Payton's SLG
vs. Righties: .270(!)
vs. Lefties: 614(!!)
If we’re in contention at the deadline and we need a lefty-masher… :p
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
Ow
Nothing can be done for him, then.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 2, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
A Proper Burial?
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by philofthenorth on Jul 2, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
A bigger cup?
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by NHZ on Jul 2, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The Nutty Buddy!
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by philofthenorth on Jul 2, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh NOOOOOOOOOOO
Not just before I was going to do my “Why you should heart John Buck more” post!
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by NHZ on Jul 2, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
They Killed Bucky!
Those bastards!
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by philofthenorth on Jul 2, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll kill them dead
No one makes Buck bleed his own blood.
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by NHZ on Jul 2, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Lifeguards Don't Kill
They save lives just by existing.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 2, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
+1000
And I have psychic powers.
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by NHZ on Jul 2, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
lies
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 2, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No lies!
They’re just not very strong psychic powers. for instance, I always know when a young woman is about to give me the evil eye. :p
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
uh huh
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 3, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
for the movie reference.
NOBODY!
"I never really said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 3, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, Back Out
To the white trash patio to watch my psychotic dog stare up at a squirrel only she sees.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
Whats the chances Hoch is KC's Cabrera?
Better than 50%
Worse than 50%
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
What are the chances that he pitches 8 innings tonight at this rate
winning records follow good bullpens
Meche has zero control of his fastball right now
No idea how he’s only given up 3 runs
winning records follow good bullpens
KC likes to walk Roberts and it has proven to be a good strategy for them
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
Yep, there goes the game
Good game Meche, you pitched well
winning records follow good bullpens
Wow
Gathright almost made the catch of the year….saved a homer, though, good effort.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
So close too
winning records follow good bullpens
That hurt to watch
Really rough break. Nothing you can do about that one.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
yea
gotta hand it to him for almost getting it
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
At least KC won
that first game or they would be staring in the face at a 9 game losing streak
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
Lost 3 out of our last 4
AFter tonight 4 out of 5. Downward spiral
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No, just saying if the score holds up
winning records follow good bullpens
he is already assuming that we will get swept by Tampa Bay...I think
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
think, if we wouldn’t have won those 11 of 12 we would be on like a 30 game losing streak…damn, we are lucky too because it could’ve easily happened!
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really expect this
team to win tonight or tomorrow? Honestly not being negative but the Orioles have outclassed KC every game but one this year. Then they play TB who has the best record in the majors. I don’t think it is crazy to think that they aren’t as good as those two teams.
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
There's a reason why the worst team in the major leagues
still usually wins 60 games a year. The odds of being swept by TB would be very, very low even if they were a .670 team and we were a .400 team. Which doesn’t mean it won’t happen, but this miserable defeatist crap… man, I swear, sometimes I think the fans of this team are PART of the culture of losing. All this “god we suck game’s over” crap makes me feel worse than actually watching them lose.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
+10
well put, much simpler than my babbling
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
+ eleventy billion.
Saying that we won’t win a game in Tampa is pretty much ridiculous. I mean sure, it might not happen, but I would venture to say that it is just as likely that we win the series 3-1, or at least split it up.
Honestly, I bet we win only one game. But to say, before the series even begins, that we won’t win a game is just stupid.
I, in no way
said that I think the Royals are better than The Orioles or Tampa Bay….but I think you’re pessimism is a bit dramatic by already saying that we are going to be on a 9 game losing streak (if it happens, I’ll eat crow…statements like that are made all the time around here, though, and no one calls people out for them)....Further, I do think we will win tomorrow, maybe I shouldn’t but almost every game, I go into it believing that we can win….I still haven’t given up on this game….if they tack on another run then I will be a lot less optimistic
I also don’t know if you meant to say “outclassed” but I don’t get that….they have been outplayed, but how have they been outclassed?
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, when two runs score on a fluke play
where your center fielder almost saws his own arm off at the elbow while almost making a fantastic catch, it’s an obvious sign that your team sucks and you’re doomed.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
and they have no class either
because classy teams make that catch while breaking their arm in the process
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Outclassed is a commonly used phrase
when teams pound other teams. Maybe you only watch baseball and haven’t heard that term during a football or basketball game. Pretty common. This is a team that has beat KC if they hold on 11 out of 13 times. In all other sports that is called “owning them, outclassing them, outplaying them fill in your term here” plain and simple. That game the other night was fluky and I should’ve said 10 in a row. 2 + 4 + 4= 10. The AL East owns this team and I guess I’m not drinking the Royal blue koolaid quite as much as everyone else but most nights against the AL I just don’t see what you are all seeing. The interleague run was nice but the rest is disappointing.
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
I actually watch all of the three major sports, football and basketball included.
I even played basketball until college and know much more about that game than baseball….
When I hear the term, outclassed, I think of games such as Chiefs vs. Raiders, where the Raiders played dirty and did things the wrong way so that “the Chiefs outclassed them tonight”. Maybe I’ve taken the term the wrong way then, and if that is true then I was wrong….but I just can’t think of any instances where an announcer or broadcaster would say….” The Orioles have beat the Royals 10 straight times, totally outclassing them”. In my eyes, that is something one would say if the Royals were playing the game the wrong way.
I’m not sure there is a right answer, it’s probably just i different nterpretation of the English language, the reason I said something about it was that it seemed like you were saying that the Royals weren’t putting in effort or were playing the game the wrong way.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
I know positive feelings aren’t exactly appreciated around here, but the biggest difference, IMO, between the Baird Era and the fledgling GMDM era is that now, I go into each game knowing that we can win.
When our staff ace was All-Star Mark Redman, plenty of games had a feeling of hopelessness before the first pitch was even thrown.
Now, even after we are down three, I still don’t think the game is over. That is step one in the rebuilding process, step two is to become a .500ish team.
Lol, can't get Ramon Hernandez out
Ugly
winning records follow good bullpens
Wow
Web Gem DP…..Grudz is definitely the worst fielding 2B in the history of the game..
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions
Damn
Joey is covering some ground tonight in center
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
Joey's only problem in CF is getting reads.
And that comes with time. Now if he could just get in the weight room and build up some strength…
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
yeah he hasn't exactly
been great lately, he’s looked good tonight, though…..Unfortunately, I’m close to giving up on Joey as a hitter, if he can’t raise his OBP then he is essentially useless, ya know
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He's got it over .300, anyway
It’s the SLG that bothers me. If your SLG is lower than your OBP, it’s just impossible to be a major league hitter.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
is it now?
last time I saw it was .293…he has got on the last two games decently so I guess that makes sense….I’m just looking more for the OBP he had at certain times last year and then the base stealing skills of this season would relaly come into play….while I agree, his slugging coming up would be huge, I just don’t see that being possible with him.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It was .301 coming into the game
And he’s 1-2, so it’s up a titch from there
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
agreed...
he is rather frustrating as a hitter with his inability to pull the ball, hit it more than 200 ft, score a runner from 2b on a hit or from 3b on a sac fly. that said, he has been more tolerable lately.
but just wait until one of those SABR guys invents the stat for “japanese pitcher jumping.” he’d totally lead the league in that. we’ll see who is totally useless then!
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 2, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
long-time reader, first-time poster.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 2, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This is one of Joey's best games of his career, IMO...
Simply because of the reads he has made defensively.
He hasn’t hesitated much at all, and has turned a HR into a triple and stolen two other hits this past inning.
While he will, likely, never hit well enough to be a regular contributor, if he can play this solid of defense he is certainly worth a roster spot, as a 5th OFer, defensive replacement and pinch-runner.
4 pitch inning.. how embarrassing
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
This entire series has been a flashback to earlier this season.
winning records follow good bullpens
+1
the hitting has been pretty awful the last two games, somehow we’ve scored more runs then we were then
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I remember earlier this season
when being down by three runs meant the game was over. Just like every game this series.
Oh, wait, except for the first one. So, I guess just like only half the games this series.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
The win in the first game was pretty lucky, you have to admit.
We had that one 1 strike away from the loss column, and then the other team made a massive mistake.
winning records follow good bullpens
We also clawed back to where
the tying run was at the plate, which is more than we were able to do in late April.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
We still should of won.
Blew a lot of scoring chances, bad plays in the field, (a lot of this on Aviles). But going back to the last 2 games of the Cardinals series, this team has not been playing good baseball… You really only need to watch the games to see it. Not advancing the runners, getting clutch hits, making smart defensive plays – all cliche crap, but it really adds up.
winning records follow good bullpens
Also, the pitching has had a very hard time closing out innings.
winning records follow good bullpens
Strawman.
I realize they’re not playing well right now. The point was that early in the season, if we were behind in the 4th inning, it was over—because the offense simply wasn’t going to fight back.
They’re fighting back now, even playing like crap.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
They're fighting back, but if they're playing poorly...
They will have a hard time scoring enough runs to come back. I guess what I’m getting at is, the quality of baseball being played is not what it was during the interleague stretch. The team is visibly playing worse. I don’t know how to fix it, or what the solution is if there is any, but it’s pretty obvious to the naked eye.
winning records follow good bullpens
Baseball has A LOT to do with luck
further, I think Aviles struggling this series has made a big difference in my mind, it just feels like we are struggling more cause he isn’t pacing the lineup….that and Dejesus has only been in this game.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ho-Ram
1-2-3, our projects continue to pitch pretty well early on.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
His fastball has looked pretty good so far
I always remembered him just throwing in the upper 80’s with the Braves. Probably faulty memory.
winning records follow good bullpens
Horacio re-born as an american league reliever
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
Ho-Ram = The bestest ex-Brave on the roster.
Would anyone be interested in a one year, $1MM deal if he continues to pitch well throughout the rest of the season.
Hypothetically, of course.
I'd rather we give him as many innings as possible before the trade deadline
And try to flip him for some warm body
winning records follow good bullpens
Last 5 outs have been made on 7 pitches
winning records follow good bullpens
Ahh plate discipline...
7 pitches to get 5 outs from Daniel Cabrera.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 2, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
Aviles continues to pound everything into the ground
winning records follow good bullpens
Wow
Aviles ABs look like replays every time….Ground out to short, ground out to short….how about aaaaaa ground out to short…blah
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone notice
that Ho-Ram looks like he lets go of the ball in his glove right before he pitches? It’s like he does his windup, let’s go of the ball, and then takes it out of the glove at the last second and pitches….I’ve never really noticed that with a pitcher before
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
Do they go with the closer
I think that would be a mistake if they do
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
Great
pick up Cabrera for fantasy when he’s facing the Royals (CG machine!) Oh yeah, I was also at the earlier game this season that Cabrera pitched a CG, terrible.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
Gritz Is Hangin'
Must give Teahie a chance to tie it.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
Is That Still
Davies? It seems like he pitches every other game.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 2, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I think it might be....err
hopefully they have someone scrubish going
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Back To
Squirrel Watch 2008; it’s hot wings on the grill tonight, with my 3 bean sweet pepper salad and celery with le fromage bleu. Bean appetit!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 2, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
nice play by Huff to end it.
Tough loss, come back and win tomorrow, though, and we split the series. Then off to TB where it’s been established, we will be swept.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply actions
Ugh
this was a tough one. Meche v. Cabrera looked as if it was in our favor.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 2, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And a ton of Baltimore hitters are very good against Meche.
Roberts, Hernandez, Mora
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 2, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
that hurts
baseball doesn’t make sense sometimes
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Postgame
Hillman looks like he’s in a stern discussion with Bob McClure…man I wish there was a way we could know what they are talking about
by I need more Esteban on Jul 2, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions
It looked like the O's figured something out
I don’t know if he was tipping his pitches, but he didn’t fool ANYONE.
He’s been pretty good lately, though. let’s see what happens next time.
Nobody will celebrate harder when the Royals make the playoffs!!
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