Yes, That Happened
What a fun night at the ole ballpark. Sure, there's something to be said regarding a rough start from Luke Hochevar -- pitching is the currency of baseball -- and an offense that was completely shut down by the illustrious Zach/k Miner, but that's not what we'll most remember from this night.
- Jimmy Gobble got trapped in pitching hell, and for whatever reason Hillman decided to leave him out there to take his medicine. An outing like tonight's has building for awhile: Gobble's been terrible for months and Hillman has increasingly been using him like a vindictive husband, for some reason placing him in situations that he's likely to fail in, and exclusively using him in losses.
- After walking in a run in the 7th, Gobble entered the 8th inning and may be still pitching there in some particularly dreadful alternative universe. Here's what went down: single, single, double, wild pitch (run scores), single, single, homer. Gobble then rallied to reture Raburn and I-Rod, before things went downhill again: walk, single, walk, walk. Finally, Hillman pulled him. Still, Leo Nunez didn't do Gobble any favors, allowing a Guillen-ififed double and then a single, all charged to the Turkeyman.
- Coupled with this weekend's Gordon-PHing controversy, it's possible we've entered into some especially bitchy stage of Hillman's managing career.
- Tony Pena Jr. pitched a scoreless inning, striking out the decaying remains of Ivan Rodriguez. (Not a fun game for I-rod, who was also retired by Gobble.) His pitching VORP is now higher than his hitting VORP, and he's probably the 9th or 10th highest rated pitcher on the staff now.
Somehow, Pena's 1-2-3 inning partially redeemed the horribleness of the game, which along with the sarcastic late inning rally by the lineup erased some of the real ugliness on display at the K. Baseball ethics are almost always debateable, and in many cases are legitimately illogical, but a part of me feels bad for Gobble, who likely made his last Major League appearance for a while. A part of that part of me also believes that Hillman did the wrong thing in leaving him out there as long as he did. Then again, hey did eventually pull Gobble, although possibly five or six batters too late.
Pitching is the currency of baseball, and now beloved gloveman TPJ can be counted as part of our coffers.
When things begin to overwhelm him, Moore thinks about the Plaza. It grounds him. It inspires him. It reminds him why he came to Kansas City.
"The Plaza?" you ask. "Why?"
"Haven't you figured it out?" he asks back. He shrugs. "On my first day in town, my wife and I were driving through the Plaza. There were people walking everywhere. Kids. Adults. It was great.
"And I turned to Marianne, and I said, `This is where we're going to have the parade.' "
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Anybody know if
Gobble’s average MPH on his fastball was higher or lower than TPJ’s?
coming soon to KC: Tony Pena, Jr – Relief player!
He comes into games to relief pitch (i’m sure there’s a way from the dugout to the bullpen without going on the field)
He comes into games as a defensive replacement
He hits as often as Herb Washington
TPJ – Relief Player
by BHWick on Jul 21, 2008 11:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Well
At least I can tell my grandkids I saw that.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 21, 2008 11:47 PM EDT 0 recs
Note for the front page (re: Gobble)
no relief pitcher has ever given up 10 runs in just one inning of work
by BHWick on Jul 21, 2008 11:52 PM EDT 0 recs
So we got that going for us
Which is nice.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 21, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
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ESPN...
So I just saw the game recap on SportsCenter… and they called TPJ “Carlos Pena” and showed him striking out Pudge Rodriguez. Very funny.
According to MLB Gameday, TPJ was averaging about 90 with his fastball, and he even threw three curveballs and a slider for good measure.
Since he can’t hit, is it too late to send him down and convert him to a pitcher?
by bluenm on Jul 21, 2008 11:54 PM EDT 0 recs
RE Gobble's avg. fastball vs. TPJ's
I didn’t add them all up, but it looks like Gobble’s average fastball was just a tick below TPJ’s, with both being close to 90mph on average.
by bluenm on
Jul 21, 2008 11:55 PM EDT
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Why would you send down a guy with a 0.00 ERA?
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 21, 2008 11:56 PM EDT
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Good point.
Let’s start the TPJ starting pitcher vs. closer discussion then.
by bluenm on
Jul 21, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
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set up man
but he did well in the 9th
and we all know the 9th is different
by royalsreview on
Jul 22, 2008 12:00 AM EDT
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The Penacutioner!
There’s tough, and then there’s Pena tough
by BHWick on
Jul 22, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
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kudos to comment of the day there Retro!
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
by PhattStairs on
Jul 22, 2008 6:29 PM EDT
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Wow
I’m starting to think that Hillman will never use Gobble as a LOOGY. I wouldn’t mind if they DFA’d him. And he should almost certainly be non-tendered. Hillman isn’t going anywhere and as long as he’s manager, Gobble will be misused. And if Gobble isn’t used as a LOOGY, he’s a liability.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 22, 2008 12:04 AM EDT 0 recs
Don't you have a new wife to attend to?
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 22, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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Without going into details, let's just say that perhaps that's already been taken care of
I couldn’t bear to watch much of the game tonight.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
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What's the big deal with how he used Gobble tonight
Yimmy sucks major ass the Royals were gettin a major league ass beaten put on them. Someone has to jump on the grenade who else would you choose? He has misused Yimmy for all of this season but with HoRam and Mahay in the pen and Bale on his way back up KC really has no use for Yimmy anyway.
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Who cares about RBI's, how many HDB's you got?
by kcscoliny on
Jul 22, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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The misuse was bringing him in to face a bunch of RH hitters
It wasn’t yet time to completely give up on the game. Nunez should have come in to get the Royals out of the inning. Instead Gobble was there to turn it from a big deficit into a laugher. After that happened, I didn’t mind him leaving Gobble out there to mop up and take one for the team. That’s baseball sometimes.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:23 AM EDT
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Could be
It would be interesting to see if he clears waivers.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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WRONG DAYTON!
A parade should go through downtown, past the Power and Light District, down Grand Boulevard.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 22, 2008 12:07 AM EDT 0 recs
and past the new ballpark
This space intentionally left blank.
by marbotty on
Jul 22, 2008 12:57 AM EDT
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Just watched TPJ's inning on Tivo
Fastball came in at 88-91 with good movement, along with a fairly impressive curve. The control was a little erratic, but he pitched surprisingly well.
And there was this little gem from Ryan with 2 outs:
“In all serious what you don’t want to happen here is for Pena to hurt himself.”
Yeah, I don’t know what the Royals would do if TPJ got hurt.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 22, 2008 12:15 AM EDT 0 recs
They'd have no choice but
to go kidnap Callaspo from rehab.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 12:16 AM EDT
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I'm still amused by Pena wearing his sunglasses
as he pitched on the mound.
This entire story requires a response from Tony Sr.
by BHWick on
Jul 22, 2008 12:16 AM EDT
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Pena looked really solid to me. I am not joking I think the guy has a future as a pitcher
I’m surprised someone didn’t try it earlier. 3/4 to 1/2 arm angle according to the gun on TV he was 90-92 and had a nice breaking ball to strikeout Pudge. That arm angle would be tough on Righthanders.
Who cares about RBI's, how many HDB's you got?
by kcscoliny on
Jul 22, 2008 12:19 AM EDT
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What was sick
was that he was throwing over 90 and he didn’t even really look like he was winding up.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 12:20 AM EDT
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Yeah, he was hitting 91 pretty flat flooted.
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on
Jul 22, 2008 12:23 AM EDT
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Plus he already hits like a pitcher and you know he could field his position.
How old was Mahay when he made the conversion?
Who cares about RBI's, how many HDB's you got?
by kcscoliny on
Jul 22, 2008 12:20 AM EDT
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 22, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
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Let's keep this all in perspective.
It is only one loss. If the team can activate their short term memory this loss will hurt no more than a typical 4-3 loss.
Gobble, what is going on there I just don’t know. He was an above average pitcher in 2006 and 2007. I can’t just write this season off as bad luck or small sample size. Something is wrong with him. We know he can pitch well when he is right.
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by James Quinn on Jul 22, 2008 12:18 AM EDT 1 recs
TPJ for new mop up man.
That way he can be a defensive sub, and mop up guy, freeing up a roster spot. Sounds good to me.
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on Jul 22, 2008 12:19 AM EDT 0 recs
But if Hillman leaves him out there to give up too many runs, it might really turn the players against Hillman
We can’t have that.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:24 AM EDT
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I wouldn't be so quick to ridicule that concept.
It all depends on the “victim’s” standing within the team. I know that if something like that had ever happened on a team I was on, it would be a question of whether reason overruled emotion (“reason” being “save the bullpen”), and if emotion won, which emotion was in play. If I didn’t really like the guy anyway and had already written him off, reason would win out anyway. But if he was a friend, or I thought he still had value… emotion would get in the way, and in the wake of that I might get it in my head that if the manager will do that to him, he might do it to me later.
And don’t try and use the old “these are professionals” bit. If guys like Grudz or Guillen have a problem with what happened tonight, it WILL become a problem in the clubhouse. They’re both too red-assed to not get emotional about it if they feel like Hillman threw Gobble under a bus.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 12:33 AM EDT
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I'm pretty sure what they told gobble was....
Mahay isn’t available, Ramirez isn’t available, Soria is hands down not pitching in this game, Tejeda has been used, Nunez is being saved for the 9th. You are the last man standing, you have to get 3 outs. He couldn’t do it, and we really needed him to – enter: TPJ pitching the 9th.
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on
Jul 22, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
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And every player on the team understands that
They all have IQ’s over 85 and have all played baseball for many years. This happens in baseball. It’s not a punishment; it’s a bullpen saving move.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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That's my guess
Isn’t the formal “mentally retarded” line at something like 80 or 85?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:09 AM EDT
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70
Two standard deviations my friend, two standard deviations.
Ah, and the course that I just finished is already starting to show its benefits.
And even then it’s only mild mental retardation for a while (until about 65 or so)...technically you could count up to 75, too…but most say that those 5 points can go either way and generally lump them in with the really really slow.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 22, 2008 3:02 AM EDT
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additionally, if the line were at 85
about 1/3 of the population would be mentally retarded. :)
Sorry, really excited about showing off the newly gained knowledge in a setting outside of the classroom.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 22, 2008 3:03 AM EDT
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1/3 of the population IS mentally retarded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!85
Ok, maybe some baseball players are below 85. But not Royals players!
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 3:10 AM EDT
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pshhhhhhhhh
you’re just jealous because you aren’t epically smart like me ;D
Just kidding. But seriously, I took a (required) state standardized test for college students and ranked in the 92nd percentile. Therefore, I am awesome (and am still marginally excited as I scored 144 points above what I had to score…and did that without any studying at all).
Done bragging now :]
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 22, 2008 3:42 AM EDT
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Hey, I do just fine with my 87 IQ
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 4:49 AM EDT
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+1 including our President
High hat please
Who cares about RBI's, how many HDB's you got?
by kcscoliny on
Jul 22, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
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did you know that half of our students are reading
at below average levels!!!!!!!!!!!
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on
Jul 22, 2008 1:20 PM EDT
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and basal readers are the answer!
Oh my god, there’s a discussion on the boards that I actually know a lot about stupid fucking sabermetrics !
Actually, I’m more of a fan of an even mix of basals and whole language. If anyone knows what that means, their player gets an extra point in the BOD standings! GO!
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 22, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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I'm an old school phonics man myself.
My mother's basement is better than YOUR mother's basement!!
by Royal Kingdom on
Jul 22, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
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I think phonics work to a point
but I think it’s better to expose kids to lots of different methods.
It actually doesn’t matter what teachers do, because 85% of kids will learn regardless of what they’re taught. It’s just the other 15% that you’re trying to tweak around for.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 22, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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So you're saying Trey Hillman almost certainly doesn't understand it?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jul 22, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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These guys are familiar with what happens in the game of baseball
They know that sometimes a pitcher has to stay out there and take it so the bullpen doesn’t get burned up in a lost cause. That just happens in baseball. This isn’t news to anybody. It’s part of the game. These aren’t kids who haven’t seen this in HS, college, the minors and the majors many times. This isn’t new for any of them. Do you think Grudz or Guillen - two guys who have been playing professional baseball for a long time - haven’t seen this dozens of times? Do you think they are too stupid to know why Gobble was left out there? There’s no mystery here. It is as comprehensible and common as the suicide squeeze.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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Suicide Squeeze?
Please don’t give Trey any more wacky ideas!
“Alex, I think I’ve got a way to get your bat going again….”
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jul 22, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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Once again, you sail off into the stratosphere addressing things I did not say.
I did not say, nor imply, that they don’t know it happens. I did not say, nor imply, that they were stupid.
Unlike some people, they are not robots. If the combination of getting their asses kicked and watching Gobble being left out there to melt hits them the wrong way, they’re going to agitate. Now, for all we know, they might actually be more irritated that he ever put Gobble in the game to begin with, and this figure letting him get shelled was perfectly okay. We don’t know what they’re thinking, which is usually your entire point in these discussions—but for you to not only state unequivocally that there’s no way this could cause a rift in the clubhouse, but to carry it over to another thread as a form of ridicule? Utterly ludicrous.
I think sometimes you live in a world where the Houston Astros didn’t fire the most successful manager they ever had because Biggio and Bagwell didn’t like the way he handled things.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
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I did not say, nor imply, that they don’t know it happens. I did not say, nor imply, that they were stupid.
And my point is that if they know what is happening and why it is happening and have seen it before, they aren’t going to get all pissed off about it.
Unlike some people, they are not robots.
I think it is silly to suggest that this could lead to some clubhouse problem. BTW, I hope the “some people” part was implying that I am a robot. I like that.
We don’t know what they’re thinking, which is usually your entire point in these discussions—but for you to not only state unequivocally that there’s no way this could cause a rift in the clubhouse, but to carry it over to another thread as a form of ridicule?
Some ideas deserve ridicule. It is true that we don’t know what they are thinking. But some suggestions about what they are thinking or feeling seem ridiculous to me. While all sports psychology guesswork by us fans is pretty silly, this seems particularly preposterous.
I think sometimes you live in a world where the Houston Astros didn’t fire the most successful manager they ever had because Biggio and Bagwell didn’t like the way he handled things.
I don’t see how that has any bearing on our current foray into sports psychology. Did B&B want their manager ousted because he left some middle reliever in a game too long during mopup time?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:57 AM EDT
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Well, one thing they specifically didn't like
(allegedly) was that Dierker would actually pinch-hit for Ausmus in the late innings of games the Astros were trailing.
Ausmus is a shitty hitter, and managers pinch-hit for shitty hitters all the time, right? Biggio and Bagwell should have been used to that sort of thing, right?
Understand, I don’t expect this to be a problem. I think the guy who’s asserting that this WILL be a problem is goofy. I just think you’re being goofy, too, for asserting that the idea that it might be a problem is preposterous. The average major league baseball player is not as rational and logical as you are, and Guillen particularly isn’t known for being a rational actor.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 1:05 AM EDT
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It just sounds really silly to me
Who knows, as my signature says, I may well be wrong. I also don’t think that Guillen is known for getting upset about the treatment of others. Guillen doesn’t really pal around with other players a lot, and I’m going to guess he doesn’t hang out with relief pitchers too much. Long story short, I don’t think we have to worry about Guillen getting upset about Jimmy Gobble being left out there to take one for the team.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:07 AM EDT
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NY...
basically I 60% agree with you
however, in Gobble’s specific case, there may be something going on here
Hillman’s used him weirdly for awhile now
by royalsreview on
Jul 22, 2008 1:09 AM EDT
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He's had him face too many RH batters. Is that what you mean by "weirdly"?
And do you think players are going to get upset with Hillman because he hasn’t appropriately restricted a pitcher’s role to LOOGY? I think our amateur sports psychology is really going off the deep end tonight.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:10 AM EDT
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well, there's the whole...
he hasn’t pitched during a win since May 28th thing…
which is probably half a fluke, but mayeb possibly indicative of some dog-house-ery
by royalsreview on
Jul 22, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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tonight was the perfect storm, to use a quickly dying phrase
people had already been talking about Gobble this last week… hell, the first comment of the game thread was “Jimmy Gobble is a survivor”
by royalsreview on
Jul 22, 2008 1:14 AM EDT
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Are you really attaching any meaning to the "he hasn't pitched in a win" thing?
Is there any significance to that at all? I mean, who cares? Does Gobble care? Do other players care if he appears in a game that the Royals win? He’s pitched poorly and his role has been limited. It’s just that simple. Actually, his role hasn’t been limited enough. He’s pitched too much.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:15 AM EDT
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within the context of a completely speculative discussion, I think it has merit
obviously, there isn’t going to be any great moments of objective clarity here, but i do think that, and again this has been going on for months now, either Gobble or Hillman or both could have noticed that “hey, I’m/he’s not going in unless its a mop-up loss, period”
there’s really no way of knowing how observant these guys are
that being said, i would think I would notice if I was only showing up in losses… especially after the 10th straight time or something
by royalsreview on
Jul 22, 2008 1:25 AM EDT
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Unfortunately, he's pitched in many non-mopup situations
The fact that he hasn’t pitched in a win is irrelevant. It would probably be relevant to Gobble if he’d been relegated to strictly mopup duty, but he hasn’t, unfortunately.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:28 AM EDT
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I think it more likely
that he would notice he wasn’t being entrusted with a lead than notice he hadn’t pitched in a win. The effect of both would probably be the same (whether that effect is “serious mental issues” or “none at all” is irrelevant), but I can easily see him not even being aware he hadn’t appeared in a win.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 1:29 AM EDT
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I'm sure Gobble, Peralta and Yabuta were all in a state of revolt against Hillman for being relegated to lower leverage situations
I think we are making really speculative mountains out of mole hills.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:31 AM EDT
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Yes, because idle speculation
is the equivalent of devoting one’s life to a crusade.
I would argue that it’s more accurate to say that most times, you make mountains out of speculative molehills, by turning someone’s idle speculation into a doctoral dissertation awaiting defense.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 1:35 AM EDT
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You lost me
I didn’t quite follow that. Maybe because I’m up too late. But perhaps this is for the better. We’re not getting anywhere.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:39 AM EDT
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I'm just saying that
sometimes, you get a little over-wrought about relatively minor and unimportant distinctions, to the point where people end up defending their throw-away comments just to avoid you steamrolling them as if the matter was truly of great import.
Also, I need to have my regularly-scheduled argument with you so that Those Other People will realize we aren’t scissoring.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 1:48 AM EDT
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I recognize the matter is not of great import
But the over-wrought arguments about minor things are always a two-way street. I’ve tried arguing with myself, but it just isn’t as fun. It takes two (or more) to tango. When I see something I disagree with, I comment on it. If this leads to an extended back and forth, that’s not just my doing. It’s half my doing.
And don’t even try to pretend that we’re not scissoring every chance we get.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:55 AM EDT
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I feel guilty
NHZ isn’t here.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:57 AM EDT
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OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jul 22, 2008 2:00 AM EDT
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yes!
hedonism bot with an appearance!
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
by wildthang on
Jul 22, 2008 2:11 AM EDT
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I could take devil_fingers off suspension to pinch hit for NHZ in tonight's inevitable scissoring
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 2:06 AM EDT
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NHZ needs a suspension
for making up a lie about having a “date.”
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
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