Yes, That Happened
What a fun night at the ole ballpark. Sure, there's something to be said regarding a rough start from Luke Hochevar -- pitching is the currency of baseball -- and an offense that was completely shut down by the illustrious Zach/k Miner, but that's not what we'll most remember from this night.
- Jimmy Gobble got trapped in pitching hell, and for whatever reason Hillman decided to leave him out there to take his medicine. An outing like tonight's has building for awhile: Gobble's been terrible for months and Hillman has increasingly been using him like a vindictive husband, for some reason placing him in situations that he's likely to fail in, and exclusively using him in losses.
- After walking in a run in the 7th, Gobble entered the 8th inning and may be still pitching there in some particularly dreadful alternative universe. Here's what went down: single, single, double, wild pitch (run scores), single, single, homer. Gobble then rallied to reture Raburn and I-Rod, before things went downhill again: walk, single, walk, walk. Finally, Hillman pulled him. Still, Leo Nunez didn't do Gobble any favors, allowing a Guillen-ififed double and then a single, all charged to the Turkeyman.
- Coupled with this weekend's Gordon-PHing controversy, it's possible we've entered into some especially bitchy stage of Hillman's managing career.
- Tony Pena Jr. pitched a scoreless inning, striking out the decaying remains of Ivan Rodriguez. (Not a fun game for I-rod, who was also retired by Gobble.) His pitching VORP is now higher than his hitting VORP, and he's probably the 9th or 10th highest rated pitcher on the staff now.
Somehow, Pena's 1-2-3 inning partially redeemed the horribleness of the game, which along with the sarcastic late inning rally by the lineup erased some of the real ugliness on display at the K. Baseball ethics are almost always debateable, and in many cases are legitimately illogical, but a part of me feels bad for Gobble, who likely made his last Major League appearance for a while. A part of that part of me also believes that Hillman did the wrong thing in leaving him out there as long as he did. Then again, hey did eventually pull Gobble, although possibly five or six batters too late.
Pitching is the currency of baseball, and now beloved gloveman TPJ can be counted as part of our coffers.
When things begin to overwhelm him, Moore thinks about the Plaza. It grounds him. It inspires him. It reminds him why he came to Kansas City.
"The Plaza?" you ask. "Why?"
"Haven't you figured it out?" he asks back. He shrugs. "On my first day in town, my wife and I were driving through the Plaza. There were people walking everywhere. Kids. Adults. It was great.
"And I turned to Marianne, and I said, `This is where we're going to have the parade.' "
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Anybody know if
Gobble’s average MPH on his fastball was higher or lower than TPJ’s?
coming soon to KC: Tony Pena, Jr – Relief player!
He comes into games to relief pitch (i’m sure there’s a way from the dugout to the bullpen without going on the field)
He comes into games as a defensive replacement
He hits as often as Herb Washington
TPJ – Relief Player
by BHWick on
Jul 21, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
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Well
At least I can tell my grandkids I saw that.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 21, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
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Note for the front page (re: Gobble)
no relief pitcher has ever given up 10 runs in just one inning of work
by BHWick on
Jul 21, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
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So we got that going for us
Which is nice.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 21, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
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ESPN...
So I just saw the game recap on SportsCenter… and they called TPJ “Carlos Pena” and showed him striking out Pudge Rodriguez. Very funny.
According to MLB Gameday, TPJ was averaging about 90 with his fastball, and he even threw three curveballs and a slider for good measure.
Since he can’t hit, is it too late to send him down and convert him to a pitcher?
by bluenm on
Jul 21, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
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RE Gobble's avg. fastball vs. TPJ's
I didn’t add them all up, but it looks like Gobble’s average fastball was just a tick below TPJ’s, with both being close to 90mph on average.
by bluenm on
Jul 21, 2008 11:55 PM EDT
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Why would you send down a guy with a 0.00 ERA?
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 21, 2008 11:56 PM EDT
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Good point.
Let’s start the TPJ starting pitcher vs. closer discussion then.
by bluenm on
Jul 21, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
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set up man
but he did well in the 9th
and we all know the 9th is different
by royalsreview on
Jul 22, 2008 12:00 AM EDT
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The Penacutioner!
There’s tough, and then there’s Pena tough
by BHWick on
Jul 22, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
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kudos to comment of the day there Retro!
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
by PhattStairs on
Jul 22, 2008 6:29 PM EDT
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Wow
I’m starting to think that Hillman will never use Gobble as a LOOGY. I wouldn’t mind if they DFA’d him. And he should almost certainly be non-tendered. Hillman isn’t going anywhere and as long as he’s manager, Gobble will be misused. And if Gobble isn’t used as a LOOGY, he’s a liability.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:04 AM EDT
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Don't you have a new wife to attend to?
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 22, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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Without going into details, let's just say that perhaps that's already been taken care of
I couldn’t bear to watch much of the game tonight.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
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What's the big deal with how he used Gobble tonight
Yimmy sucks major ass the Royals were gettin a major league ass beaten put on them. Someone has to jump on the grenade who else would you choose? He has misused Yimmy for all of this season but with HoRam and Mahay in the pen and Bale on his way back up KC really has no use for Yimmy anyway.
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Who cares about RBI's, how many HDB's you got?
by kcscoliny on
Jul 22, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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The misuse was bringing him in to face a bunch of RH hitters
It wasn’t yet time to completely give up on the game. Nunez should have come in to get the Royals out of the inning. Instead Gobble was there to turn it from a big deficit into a laugher. After that happened, I didn’t mind him leaving Gobble out there to mop up and take one for the team. That’s baseball sometimes.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:23 AM EDT
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WRONG DAYTON!
A parade should go through downtown, past the Power and Light District, down Grand Boulevard.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 22, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
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and past the new ballpark
This space intentionally left blank.
by marbotty on
Jul 22, 2008 12:57 AM EDT
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Just watched TPJ's inning on Tivo
Fastball came in at 88-91 with good movement, along with a fairly impressive curve. The control was a little erratic, but he pitched surprisingly well.
And there was this little gem from Ryan with 2 outs:
“In all serious what you don’t want to happen here is for Pena to hurt himself.”
Yeah, I don’t know what the Royals would do if TPJ got hurt.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:15 AM EDT
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They'd have no choice but
to go kidnap Callaspo from rehab.
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by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 12:16 AM EDT
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I'm still amused by Pena wearing his sunglasses
as he pitched on the mound.
This entire story requires a response from Tony Sr.
by BHWick on
Jul 22, 2008 12:16 AM EDT
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Pena looked really solid to me. I am not joking I think the guy has a future as a pitcher
I’m surprised someone didn’t try it earlier. 3/4 to 1/2 arm angle according to the gun on TV he was 90-92 and had a nice breaking ball to strikeout Pudge. That arm angle would be tough on Righthanders.
Who cares about RBI's, how many HDB's you got?
by kcscoliny on
Jul 22, 2008 12:19 AM EDT
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What was sick
was that he was throwing over 90 and he didn’t even really look like he was winding up.
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by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 12:20 AM EDT
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Yeah, he was hitting 91 pretty flat flooted.
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on
Jul 22, 2008 12:23 AM EDT
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Plus he already hits like a pitcher and you know he could field his position.
How old was Mahay when he made the conversion?
Who cares about RBI's, how many HDB's you got?
by kcscoliny on
Jul 22, 2008 12:20 AM EDT
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Jul 22, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
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Let's keep this all in perspective.
It is only one loss. If the team can activate their short term memory this loss will hurt no more than a typical 4-3 loss.
Gobble, what is going on there I just don’t know. He was an above average pitcher in 2006 and 2007. I can’t just write this season off as bad luck or small sample size. Something is wrong with him. We know he can pitch well when he is right.
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by James Quinn on
Jul 22, 2008 12:18 AM EDT
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TPJ for new mop up man.
That way he can be a defensive sub, and mop up guy, freeing up a roster spot. Sounds good to me.
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on
Jul 22, 2008 12:19 AM EDT
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But if Hillman leaves him out there to give up too many runs, it might really turn the players against Hillman
We can’t have that.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:24 AM EDT
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I wouldn't be so quick to ridicule that concept.
It all depends on the “victim’s” standing within the team. I know that if something like that had ever happened on a team I was on, it would be a question of whether reason overruled emotion (“reason” being “save the bullpen”), and if emotion won, which emotion was in play. If I didn’t really like the guy anyway and had already written him off, reason would win out anyway. But if he was a friend, or I thought he still had value… emotion would get in the way, and in the wake of that I might get it in my head that if the manager will do that to him, he might do it to me later.
And don’t try and use the old “these are professionals” bit. If guys like Grudz or Guillen have a problem with what happened tonight, it WILL become a problem in the clubhouse. They’re both too red-assed to not get emotional about it if they feel like Hillman threw Gobble under a bus.
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by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 12:33 AM EDT
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I'm pretty sure what they told gobble was....
Mahay isn’t available, Ramirez isn’t available, Soria is hands down not pitching in this game, Tejeda has been used, Nunez is being saved for the 9th. You are the last man standing, you have to get 3 outs. He couldn’t do it, and we really needed him to – enter: TPJ pitching the 9th.
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on
Jul 22, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
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And every player on the team understands that
They all have IQ’s over 85 and have all played baseball for many years. This happens in baseball. It’s not a punishment; it’s a bullpen saving move.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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That's my guess
Isn’t the formal “mentally retarded” line at something like 80 or 85?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:09 AM EDT
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70
Two standard deviations my friend, two standard deviations.
Ah, and the course that I just finished is already starting to show its benefits.
And even then it’s only mild mental retardation for a while (until about 65 or so)...technically you could count up to 75, too…but most say that those 5 points can go either way and generally lump them in with the really really slow.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 22, 2008 3:02 AM EDT
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additionally, if the line were at 85
about 1/3 of the population would be mentally retarded. :)
Sorry, really excited about showing off the newly gained knowledge in a setting outside of the classroom.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 22, 2008 3:03 AM EDT
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1/3 of the population IS mentally retarded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!85
Ok, maybe some baseball players are below 85. But not Royals players!
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 3:10 AM EDT
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pshhhhhhhhh
you’re just jealous because you aren’t epically smart like me ;D
Just kidding. But seriously, I took a (required) state standardized test for college students and ranked in the 92nd percentile. Therefore, I am awesome (and am still marginally excited as I scored 144 points above what I had to score…and did that without any studying at all).
Done bragging now :]
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 22, 2008 3:42 AM EDT
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Hey, I do just fine with my 87 IQ
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 4:49 AM EDT
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+1 including our President
High hat please
Who cares about RBI's, how many HDB's you got?
by kcscoliny on
Jul 22, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
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did you know that half of our students are reading
at below average levels!!!!!!!!!!!
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on
Jul 22, 2008 1:20 PM EDT
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and basal readers are the answer!
Oh my god, there’s a discussion on the boards that I actually know a lot about stupid fucking sabermetrics !
Actually, I’m more of a fan of an even mix of basals and whole language. If anyone knows what that means, their player gets an extra point in the BOD standings! GO!
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 22, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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I'm an old school phonics man myself.
My mother's basement is better than YOUR mother's basement!!
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Jul 22, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
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I think phonics work to a point
but I think it’s better to expose kids to lots of different methods.
It actually doesn’t matter what teachers do, because 85% of kids will learn regardless of what they’re taught. It’s just the other 15% that you’re trying to tweak around for.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 22, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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So you're saying Trey Hillman almost certainly doesn't understand it?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jul 22, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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These guys are familiar with what happens in the game of baseball
They know that sometimes a pitcher has to stay out there and take it so the bullpen doesn’t get burned up in a lost cause. That just happens in baseball. This isn’t news to anybody. It’s part of the game. These aren’t kids who haven’t seen this in HS, college, the minors and the majors many times. This isn’t new for any of them. Do you think Grudz or Guillen - two guys who have been playing professional baseball for a long time - haven’t seen this dozens of times? Do you think they are too stupid to know why Gobble was left out there? There’s no mystery here. It is as comprehensible and common as the suicide squeeze.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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Suicide Squeeze?
Please don’t give Trey any more wacky ideas!
“Alex, I think I’ve got a way to get your bat going again….”
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Jul 22, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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Once again, you sail off into the stratosphere addressing things I did not say.
I did not say, nor imply, that they don’t know it happens. I did not say, nor imply, that they were stupid.
Unlike some people, they are not robots. If the combination of getting their asses kicked and watching Gobble being left out there to melt hits them the wrong way, they’re going to agitate. Now, for all we know, they might actually be more irritated that he ever put Gobble in the game to begin with, and this figure letting him get shelled was perfectly okay. We don’t know what they’re thinking, which is usually your entire point in these discussions—but for you to not only state unequivocally that there’s no way this could cause a rift in the clubhouse, but to carry it over to another thread as a form of ridicule? Utterly ludicrous.
I think sometimes you live in a world where the Houston Astros didn’t fire the most successful manager they ever had because Biggio and Bagwell didn’t like the way he handled things.
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by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
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I did not say, nor imply, that they don’t know it happens. I did not say, nor imply, that they were stupid.
And my point is that if they know what is happening and why it is happening and have seen it before, they aren’t going to get all pissed off about it.
Unlike some people, they are not robots.
I think it is silly to suggest that this could lead to some clubhouse problem. BTW, I hope the “some people” part was implying that I am a robot. I like that.
We don’t know what they’re thinking, which is usually your entire point in these discussions—but for you to not only state unequivocally that there’s no way this could cause a rift in the clubhouse, but to carry it over to another thread as a form of ridicule?
Some ideas deserve ridicule. It is true that we don’t know what they are thinking. But some suggestions about what they are thinking or feeling seem ridiculous to me. While all sports psychology guesswork by us fans is pretty silly, this seems particularly preposterous.
I think sometimes you live in a world where the Houston Astros didn’t fire the most successful manager they ever had because Biggio and Bagwell didn’t like the way he handled things.
I don’t see how that has any bearing on our current foray into sports psychology. Did B&B want their manager ousted because he left some middle reliever in a game too long during mopup time?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 12:57 AM EDT
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Well, one thing they specifically didn't like
(allegedly) was that Dierker would actually pinch-hit for Ausmus in the late innings of games the Astros were trailing.
Ausmus is a shitty hitter, and managers pinch-hit for shitty hitters all the time, right? Biggio and Bagwell should have been used to that sort of thing, right?
Understand, I don’t expect this to be a problem. I think the guy who’s asserting that this WILL be a problem is goofy. I just think you’re being goofy, too, for asserting that the idea that it might be a problem is preposterous. The average major league baseball player is not as rational and logical as you are, and Guillen particularly isn’t known for being a rational actor.
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by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 1:05 AM EDT
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It just sounds really silly to me
Who knows, as my signature says, I may well be wrong. I also don’t think that Guillen is known for getting upset about the treatment of others. Guillen doesn’t really pal around with other players a lot, and I’m going to guess he doesn’t hang out with relief pitchers too much. Long story short, I don’t think we have to worry about Guillen getting upset about Jimmy Gobble being left out there to take one for the team.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:07 AM EDT
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NY...
basically I 60% agree with you
however, in Gobble’s specific case, there may be something going on here
Hillman’s used him weirdly for awhile now
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Jul 22, 2008 1:09 AM EDT
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He's had him face too many RH batters. Is that what you mean by "weirdly"?
And do you think players are going to get upset with Hillman because he hasn’t appropriately restricted a pitcher’s role to LOOGY? I think our amateur sports psychology is really going off the deep end tonight.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:10 AM EDT
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well, there's the whole...
he hasn’t pitched during a win since May 28th thing…
which is probably half a fluke, but mayeb possibly indicative of some dog-house-ery
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Jul 22, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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tonight was the perfect storm, to use a quickly dying phrase
people had already been talking about Gobble this last week… hell, the first comment of the game thread was “Jimmy Gobble is a survivor”
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Jul 22, 2008 1:14 AM EDT
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Are you really attaching any meaning to the "he hasn't pitched in a win" thing?
Is there any significance to that at all? I mean, who cares? Does Gobble care? Do other players care if he appears in a game that the Royals win? He’s pitched poorly and his role has been limited. It’s just that simple. Actually, his role hasn’t been limited enough. He’s pitched too much.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:15 AM EDT
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within the context of a completely speculative discussion, I think it has merit
obviously, there isn’t going to be any great moments of objective clarity here, but i do think that, and again this has been going on for months now, either Gobble or Hillman or both could have noticed that “hey, I’m/he’s not going in unless its a mop-up loss, period”
there’s really no way of knowing how observant these guys are
that being said, i would think I would notice if I was only showing up in losses… especially after the 10th straight time or something
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Jul 22, 2008 1:25 AM EDT
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Unfortunately, he's pitched in many non-mopup situations
The fact that he hasn’t pitched in a win is irrelevant. It would probably be relevant to Gobble if he’d been relegated to strictly mopup duty, but he hasn’t, unfortunately.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:28 AM EDT
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I think it more likely
that he would notice he wasn’t being entrusted with a lead than notice he hadn’t pitched in a win. The effect of both would probably be the same (whether that effect is “serious mental issues” or “none at all” is irrelevant), but I can easily see him not even being aware he hadn’t appeared in a win.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:29 AM EDT
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I'm sure Gobble, Peralta and Yabuta were all in a state of revolt against Hillman for being relegated to lower leverage situations
I think we are making really speculative mountains out of mole hills.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:31 AM EDT
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Yes, because idle speculation
is the equivalent of devoting one’s life to a crusade.
I would argue that it’s more accurate to say that most times, you make mountains out of speculative molehills, by turning someone’s idle speculation into a doctoral dissertation awaiting defense.
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by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 1:35 AM EDT
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You lost me
I didn’t quite follow that. Maybe because I’m up too late. But perhaps this is for the better. We’re not getting anywhere.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:39 AM EDT
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I'm just saying that
sometimes, you get a little over-wrought about relatively minor and unimportant distinctions, to the point where people end up defending their throw-away comments just to avoid you steamrolling them as if the matter was truly of great import.
Also, I need to have my regularly-scheduled argument with you so that Those Other People will realize we aren’t scissoring.
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by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 1:48 AM EDT
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I recognize the matter is not of great import
But the over-wrought arguments about minor things are always a two-way street. I’ve tried arguing with myself, but it just isn’t as fun. It takes two (or more) to tango. When I see something I disagree with, I comment on it. If this leads to an extended back and forth, that’s not just my doing. It’s half my doing.
And don’t even try to pretend that we’re not scissoring every chance we get.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:55 AM EDT
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I feel guilty
NHZ isn’t here.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:00 AM EDT
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I could take devil_fingers off suspension to pinch hit for NHZ in tonight's inevitable scissoring
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:06 AM EDT
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NHZ needs a suspension
for making up a lie about having a “date.”
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by devil_fingers on
Jul 22, 2008 2:13 AM EDT
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Yeah really
That’s about as likely as the lottery ticket possibilities we’ve been discussing.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 2:15 AM EDT
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I'm tellin' ya
he met “her” in a chatroom.
I hope he’s not lying dead in a dumpster now.
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:17 AM EDT
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Anyone else here ever heard Frank Zappa's "Bobby Brown Goes Down"?
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by devil_fingers on
Jul 22, 2008 2:18 AM EDT
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I hope she's not lying dead in a dumpster now
I mean, how well do we really know NHZ?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 2:19 AM EDT
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Wait a minute...
How could you possibly be posting here, NY, when NHZ is out on a date?
Maybe you are two separate people…
I’m still convinced that you and billybutlerformvp are the same, though
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Jul 22, 2008 2:20 AM EDT
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You're wrong.
bb4mvp is someone else entirely.
[cue ominous music]
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by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 2:21 AM EDT
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Which ominous music
I trying to figure out how scared I should get.
And this better not end like the whole “Gormagon” arc in Bones, which finally made me realize that some shows aren’t even worth watching for the “so bad its good” factor.
Can’t wait for the new season, though!
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by devil_fingers on
Jul 22, 2008 2:24 AM EDT
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Meh
If she was dead, he’d be back here posting already.
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by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 2:20 AM EDT
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Hey, that body isn't going to hack itself up into little pieces
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 2:28 AM EDT
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are you saying that women you meet
in chat rooms and message boards are more likely to “kill you ded” than other women?
Because either way I’m highly offended.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 3:05 AM EDT
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Have you been making dates on the intarwebz?
It’s not “women you meet” online, it’s “women you can pick up” online. ;)
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Jul 22, 2008 4:48 AM EDT
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Wow
you guys were in one hell of a morbid mood.
And I met her lifeguarding, and neither of us stabbed each other, happily. :P
Though, to be perfectly honest, the highlight of the night was definitely the Batman movie.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
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right, ok, sure...
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
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Jul 22, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
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No really
The movie was really, really good and the other part was weird to say the least.
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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did she try to do a magic trick?
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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there are lots of questionable women
you can pick up offline, hon.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
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Ugh
stick with being nice, it’s what you’re good at. :P
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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:P
I have no idea what you were reading out of that comment, either…boo.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
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I'm going to
squash you two like bugs.
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 12:58 PM EDT
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Oh, you know it's just
that we were both seething with jealousy.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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Heh,
I wouldn’t be jealous.
Not of last night’s experience, anyhow.
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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no, he meant that
he wished he could be on that date with you instead ;)
Jealous of the girl, not of you.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 22, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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That's understandable :)
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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at any rate
sorry the date fizzled. Though, to be fair, it’s hard to overcome Dark Knight and become the better part of a date…
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
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WARNING:
Extremely boring stuff to follow.
See, I wouldn’t say fizzled, it was just one of those times where it was a little hard to walk away from having any idea what happens now. We had a good time…but she’s in a bad way right now thanks to stuff that I really can’t help with (heavy sigh).
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
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should I
cue the world’s saddest song?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRt2EqlTcaU&feature=related
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
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No,
just cue the “jesus christ my timing is off again” song, whatever the heck that is.
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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If I weren't so lazy
I’d come up with a good one.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
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"jesus christ my timing
if off again” makes a servicable ‘that’s what she said.’
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Self-pity wallowing will now commence. I’m going Emo for the next 24 hours. :P
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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Yea! Someone who talks about their ex the whole date!
At least you saw a movie to lighten the mood.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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Totally speculative hypothetical
Gobble is aware that he’s been being used in moronic fashion.
Gobble quietly grumbles about this to his friends on the team, voicing his frustrations with the non-sensical usage patterns. Friends sympathize.
Gobble gets hit by a bus tonight. Gobble’s friends glance sideways at the guy who pushed him.
Again… not saying I think this is the situation. But it’s certainly a possibility.
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:14 AM EDT
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"Gobble knows that he's being used in a moronic fashion"
I assume this “moronic fashion” is facing too many RH batters and not being used as a LOOGY. Do you think that any pitcher gets made because he isn’t being used in a restrictive LOOGY or ROOGY manner? Do you think that any pitcher gets pissed off because his manager gives him the opportunity to face more than just lefty batters? That seems wildly counter-intuitive at best.
Sure, I guess that scenario is a possibility, in the sense that it is possible that the lottery ticket I bought today may win me $100M.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:18 AM EDT
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That depends.
I know that I am not very good at writing code. In fact, I suck at it. I’m much better at many other things.
So, yes, when my manager used to ask me to write a piece of code, it used to piss me right the hell off, because not only did I know I sucked at it, but I knew that he knew that I sucked at it.
Do YOU think that Jimmy Gobble doesn’t realize he sucks against right-handed hitters?
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Jul 22, 2008 1:20 AM EDT
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He was a SP throughout his career before moving to the bullpen. He wasn't a LOOGY until 2007.
Do you think he quickly gave up on the idea that he can get RH batters out? That seems extremely unlikely. I think you’re really stretching here.
Is it possible that Gobble and his BFF’s are upset with Hillman, I guess. Is it likely? No. Is there much of any chance that this will give rise to any issues in the clubhouse. No.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:23 AM EDT
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just to clarify
I really don’t think this will cause clubhouse problems. But I do think Gobble may be hurt/POed/humiliated/whatever.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:26 AM EDT
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I don't think he gave up on anything.
But I think it’s ridiculous to pretend that Gobble isn’t aware he’s had a major issue with right-handers this year. He’d have to be the most oblivious person on the planet to be unaware of that.
And with your second paragraph, I have won the argument, since my argument has not been over likelihood, but over a positive assertion of impossibility. ;D
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Jul 22, 2008 1:27 AM EDT
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Yes, it is a possibility
Lottery-like possibility. But who knows, maybe I am sitting on a winning ticket.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:29 AM EDT
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You don't know that.
And you know you don’t know that. You have absolutely no idea how possible or impossible it is, so you’ve really got no brief to mock other people who also have no idea just because their “no idea” is the opposite of your “no idea”.
We have no idea what sets a clubhouse off most of the time, unless it’s something blatantly obvious like Vern Rapp just being a complete douchebag.
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by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 1:32 AM EDT
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I'm stating opinion
Yes I know that I don’t know for sure. It’s just my opinion.
You have absolutely no idea how possible or impossible it is, so you’ve really got no brief to mock other people who also have no idea just because their "no idea" is the opposite of your "no idea".
Just because we don’t know what is going on in their hearts or heads doesn’t mean that all speculation is equally valid and worthy. For instance, saying that players feel bad after a loss is both logical and intuitive. It would be hard to imagine anything else in that situation. And suggesting that a player feels mad that he gets put into the starting lineup is illogical and counterintuitive. Just because the person who said the latter has “no idea” and I also have “no idea” does not mean that such a silly suggestion is beyond criticism (or ridicule).
We have no idea what sets a clubhouse off most of the time, unless it’s something blatantly obvious like Vern Rapp just being a complete douchebag.
Suggesting that something will “set a clubhouse off” which is silly and makes no sense is worthy of criticism.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 1:37 AM EDT
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Yet it happens.
Managers/coaches get fired ALL THE TIME for irretrievably losing their team, and most of the time we can’t even figure out what really happened. But there have been instances where a manager/coach’s mishandling of a player has been the catalyst for serious clubhouse dissension.
Hell, there were rumblings in Chicago with Dusty Baker, but that got shoveled under the rug because the “victims” weren’t veterans and most of the (sucky useless) veterans thought Dusty was the best.
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by jonfmorse on
Jul 22, 2008 1:44 AM EDT
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Wasn't Grudz there during that period?
I’m pretty sure he led off or hit second for the 2003 Cubs
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Jul 22, 2008 1:47 AM EDT
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Athletes
are very competitive, I would be very surprised if he just wanted to face lefties. I’m sure that when a lefty comes up, he is a lot more excited about it than a righty. But I’d be very shocked if he still didn’t have the confidence and drive to think that he can get every batter out that he faces.
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I guess what I'm getting at
is that with Guillen, you just never know what that crazy bastard’s going to say or do, so you can’t make a positive declaration of any kind.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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I don't think he's so unhinged that anything and everything could set him off at any minute
If that were true, he’d be blowing up daily.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:16 AM EDT
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his blow ups are more like once every 1.5 seasons
so its all good
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by LeoBloom on
Jul 22, 2008 1:38 AM EDT
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and to think all i ever did was make fun of tpj...
oh, how wrong i was.
where tpj happens.
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Jul 22, 2008 12:56 AM EDT
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TPJ has his moments of coolness
you have to give him that
and like someone else said, leaving the sunglasses on was hilarious
tribute to Tom Henke I guess
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Jul 22, 2008 1:17 AM EDT
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I thought Kei Igawa
TPJ the 25th man end of the bench U-INF/mop-up pitcher has a certain, Kieshnick-esque appeal. Kieschnick without anyu abiltiy to hit, that is.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:20 AM EDT
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hmmm
That’s actually quite the idea…If we’re going to have him on the roster why not let him pitch an inning or two in a blowout (either way)? Just have a real pitcher ready just in case he’s needed. I actually see no downside to doing this.
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by doublestix on
Jul 22, 2008 2:08 AM EDT
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Hispanic Heritage Night
can they give out Tony Pena Jr sunglasses too?
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Jul 22, 2008 1:39 AM EDT
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He could be like Bret Hart
and give them to a kid in the stands while he comes out to his Closer Music
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by devil_fingers on
Jul 22, 2008 1:41 AM EDT
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let's not go crazy here
Tony’s pitching power may be linked to his sunglasses. Tony “The Terminator” Pena doesn’t need to give up his power
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Jul 22, 2008 2:00 AM EDT
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the good news is
this is going to make our Pythag go down
which will, in turn, make it look like Hillman’s guided us to overachievement
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RE: TPJ pitching
In the star game recap, he says some teams wanted to sign him as a pitcher, but he liked playing short now. Well, maybe it’s time to tell him to start pitching again.
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Jul 22, 2008 1:38 AM EDT
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Keeping in mind that
TPJ apparently didn’t play organized baseball until he signed with the Braves. So at the very least, he might have some mileage left on his arm that the usual 27 year old wouldn’t
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Jul 22, 2008 1:40 AM EDT
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i don't think anyone will ever forget that fact
we heard it about 30,000 times last summer.
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:12 AM EDT
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did we?
Are you sure? I could always reiterate for effect if need be!
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 3:06 AM EDT
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If he had any options left
He’d probably be on his way to Omaha…
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I just had a realization
Man, I bet if JD Drew sees the highlights, he’s going to be SO PISSED and jealous…
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How would you tell?
The guy makes Alex Gordon look like Johon Papelbon when it comes to reacting to events.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:15 AM EDT
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He'll actually go up to Francona and go
“Come ON, Terry, if Hillman will let that bozo pitch, you GOTTA let ME…”
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Jul 22, 2008 2:16 AM EDT
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I believe he goes by "Tito"
At least, that what Curt Schilling called him in a rare public comment.
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Nicknames are entirely too personal
for someone of JD’s robotic demeanour.
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The lack of flux continues
Only 15 position players have batted, and only 20 pitchers have pitched (including only SEVEN starting pitchers, and not counting TPJ as a pitcher)
Last year, 22 players batted and 22 pitched (13 started at least one game).
24 hit and 31 pitched (17 started at least one game) in 2006.
The wonder of having healthy pitchers, and a GM and manager who don’t randomly try giving starts to Gobble, Burgos, Leo Nunez, or Hideo Nomo.
The only big thing to come out of Homo’s stay in KC is that he has now worn the highest number ever in Royals history (#91)
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Jul 22, 2008 5:59 AM EDT
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How about giving a random start
to Tony Pena Jr.?
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Jul 22, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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+1 for this in the post: “Coupled with this weekend’s Gordon-PHing controversy, it’s possible we’ve entered into some especially bitchy stage of Hillman’s managing career.”
If someone at work were acting like this, I’d be figuring he/she wasn’t … um … having much success in the … well, you know what I mean … FemaleEscortServiceNow!
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Well,
I have to speculate that going to see The Dark Knight was probably a better use of my time than this game, TPJ’s amazing 9th inning notwithstanding.
10 runs allowed by Yimmy? Ten???
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Jul 22, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
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A date movie???
I assume I’m not the only one who thought that Harvey Dent got the shaft. I’m not even sure why he would be the “back-up plan” to Bruce Wayne. Unless we’re supposed to still like Rachel Dawes despite preferring she chases money.rich, obsessive drama queens.
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im sure the billionaire thing has something to do with it...
who really wants to be a reporter?
TPJ...you're dead to me
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Jul 22, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
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Dick Kaegel
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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Yes, Harvey wuz robbed
And as to “a date movie???”...well…it was kind of a strange night.
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
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And FTW
is there a better superhero than Batman? He’s got all the gadgets, the sweet body armor, the batmobile, and in real life he’s a billionaire. Seriously, Spiderman and Superman never had it that good.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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Ahem,
replying to myself. I meant FTR = for the record not FTW = Frigging Tiny Waffles.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
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I dunno
Wolverine is pretty fucking awesome.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
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Ooh yeah,
very good call. I’m going to start wearing my hair like Wolverine’s. Thanks for convincing me.
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by NHZ on
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hah, no problem
I do what I can.
True story: my brother’s friend is named Logan and he likes to rock the grizzly man thing from time to time. And I think for about 3 months in high school he tried to work his hair to subtly be like Wolverine.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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If I didn't already have
everything I need to go as Colonel Gaunt (hero of my favorite book series) for Halloween, I’d go as Wolverine. I can get my hair to stand up like that without gel…I just have to sleep on it at the right angle.
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I love that you know this
It’s currently a toss up between a harry potter character and batgirl right now. I have both costumes…one from homecoming last year, the other from the past two halloweens.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
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Wait,
which HP character?
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
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generic gryffindor girl?
I’ve the option of dying my hair red and going for Ginny…or dying it brown and mussing it up and going for Hermione.
Should I ask which would be better?
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Jul 22, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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I vote for Ginny
you are too spunky for Hermione
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by buddyball on
Jul 22, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
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Hermione has a bit of spunk
she just carries it differently.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 22, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
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Yeah,
but Hermione’s way more annoying.
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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good to know that you don't find me
annoying!
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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I mean
Ginny > Hermione, because Hermione is annoying.
And, of course, I do not find you annoying. :P
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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I guess we'll go with ginny, then
huzzah.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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Break off
Go with Pansy Parkinson, or whatever her name was.
Or Snape’s mom.
There’s a real freaking hero: Snape.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
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I have a gryffindor tie
:( kinda limited there.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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There are "guys" on here much closer to Hermione
Well, maybe not. It would be hard to find a “Know-It-All” on this bload/blog, then.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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I think there are lots of guys
who think they know it all, but say what you will, Hermione did know pretty much all.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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"Know-It-All"
Isn’t a judgment of knowledge, but a personality type…
She finally figured out that Ron was way more impressed with her punching Malfoy than showing off her homeworkin’ skillz…
But her pop-psychologizing is hilarious with respect to both Harry and Ron. It’s funny/sad how many fans think it is impressive.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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I knew that...
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by buddyball on
Jul 22, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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LOL
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Jul 22, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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A bully who cleans up nice and has on overrated intellect
Poor Ron. It’s all about choices, I suppose.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
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Death Eater
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by buddyball on
Jul 22, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
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I hope you're not trying to call Hermione
a death eater. I might have to slap a bitch if that’s the case.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
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no, I'm calling Devil Fingers a
Death Eater. Or a Hermione Hater
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Jul 22, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
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good.
+ a bazillion?
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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She's better than Ginny
at least she actually tries to be nice to Ron sometimes.
Funny how that worked better at getting him the hint that demeaning him and showing off your relationship with more wealthy and famous guys for 6 years.
She’s so mature and awesome!!!!1111
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Jul 22, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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Ron is a git
and doesn’t deserve good treatment. I never understood how he got hooked up with Hermione
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by buddyball on
Jul 22, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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Yes, he is completely undeserving of Hermie
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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In that he doesn't deserve that fate?
Ron’s too crushed to avoid marrying his mom…
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by devil_fingers on
Jul 22, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
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well you can obviously see that he's raging with jealousy
when Hermione starts dating/seeing other people. That’s why he acts like such a dumb ass all the time.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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You think Hermione is a prize?
Only someone whose mother and siblings devoted their life to crushing his self-esteem would think that.
One of the few genuinely clever things that Rowling does is get across, through the Harry-scope, that Ron is actually good-looking to women… Notice Luna falling for him at first sight, the Patil Twin readliy agreeing to go to the Ball with him, Hermione running to the bathroom with a hanky the minute Ron says anything 1/10th as bad as what she hears from others. Then there’s Lavendar Brown, the “Katie from the Office” of HP.
Ron is also a good friend, although I think Rowling got mad that he was/is so much more popular than bland Harry that she tried to kill his character off a bit in the last book. He was probably going to die, but she realized that would make him an even bigger hero.
TOo bad she didn’t bother developing Hermione’s character at all in “Harry Potter and the Deathly Lack of Ideas and Attention Span.”
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by devil_fingers on
Jul 22, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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Hmmm
I’ll bet Ginny is better looking “in the picture in the mind,” although I bet Hermione ends up with a better body.
Ginny is obviously more of a bully than Hermioine, taking after her asshole brother Fred and George (least tragic tragic death ever).
After the last book, the “slash” fics make sense though, at least from Harry’s perspective. I’m pretty convinced that Ginny is just a Ron substitute for Harry.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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by devil_fingers on
Jul 22, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
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You must use the Ben Stiller (Crazyboutmary) method.
Let's Go Blues!
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Jul 22, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
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Thank you,
that made me dry heave. Please seek some counseling.
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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agreed
:-\ Now I remember why I seldom hold random conversations with men.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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You mean this
wonderful talk between us is just a random conversation to you? Great (sob).
My self-esteem is dying (notreallyIcoulduseitcomingdownanotchortwo).
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
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oh snap
didn’t realize you were fragile, too. My bad.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
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WH40k!
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
by wildthang on
Jul 22, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
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Da bomb, bro
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
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haha
flashback 5 years ago to sophmore year in highschool.
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Jul 22, 2008 7:43 PM EDT
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Have you ever read
Gaunt’s Ghosts? Man, it is so good. The majority of the 40k fiction is just junk food to my sci-fi mind, but Abnett is just an incredible writer. He can make you care about 40k characters…which is like the opposite of the 40k ethos.
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 7:46 PM EDT
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no, never read the stuff
because most of the time was spent trying to read the rules and come to some kind of accord with everyone.
It was a fun time though.
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Jul 22, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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Iron Man
At least in the movies, he has a real sense of humor… Not so much brooding and manipulation. Even if they mistakenly made Pepper Potts Tony’s paramour, rather than Happy’s.
John Favreau (hilarious, fat servant) >>> played out Alfred, even though I do like Michael Caine.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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I haven't seen Iron Man yet
So many good movies this summer, so little time.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
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Hancock was surprisingly good
Clearly not the standard superhero movie. More of a comedy. Good stuff though.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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Really?
It seemed a lot like the traditional blockbuster moneymaker without a soul to me, but I can be quite the movie critic.
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
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It was a light comedy despite the drama at the end
Funny, witty, quirky. Two thumbs up. And Bateman was great.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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But I demand souls!!!
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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I love Jason Bateman
(when he isn’t mailing it in a la Juno)
But I’m not sure on Hancock. Didn’t see it. Looks to be plenty of Scientology theology in it, though.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
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Bateman was great in Hancock
He really made the movie. Smith was good too.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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Smith is usually good
I thought he was damn good in I Am Legend despite the shitty made-for-the-movies happy ending.
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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The ending wasn't THAT happy
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 22, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
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Grrr
Did you read the book? I know everyone always says “the book was better” but this was an extraordinary case of hollywoodizing.
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
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Yes, the book was very different and much better
But we both know they really could have happy-ized the ending much more. They took a middle course. I admire their restraint.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
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Nuts to you
I hated the ending. Abhorred it. That one moment of realization that he has at the end of the book (that he is to them what they were once to humanity) puts the exclamtion point on the story. The movie put a question mark there instead.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
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Me am so good
at this typing stuff.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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One of my "favorite" Hollywoodizations
was “Beautiful Mind,” where they had the Crowe character be (and thus represent) the 1950s “McCarthyite” paranoia as a Cold Warrior, when the real-life guy actually tried to emigrate to East Germany—and they sent him back.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:39 PM EDT
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It was definitely Hollywood-ized
But, movies almost always pale in comparison to the books they are based on. If you look at the movie on its own merits and not compared to the book, it was pretty good.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:39 PM EDT
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Yes, it was pretty good
but mainly because Smith was incredible. It could have been so much better. Those are the types of movies that really bother me, not the really bad ones.
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
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The special effects also helped carry the movie to some extent
Being a New Yorker, it was very cool to see what they did with a post-civilization NYC.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
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See,
I didn’t get the point of a switch from LA to NYC…I mean, isn’t LA big enough to work with?
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by NHZ on
Jul 22, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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NYC has more recognizable landmarks and urban geography
I think it worked better in NYC, especially with the visuals.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
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Yeah I'm well aware
of NYC landmarkiness…but it seems like EVERY movie has to use it. I’d be totally stoked to see LA without any people or Boston get blown up by aliens.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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God forbid they use a flyover
there are (gasp!) Republican mayors there!
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Jul 22, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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If it were in LA, would anyone even recognize that it was LA?
It has a completely anonymous, miscellaneous look. Nothing particularly recognizable or even interesting. Might as well do it all on a soundstage, do it all by CGI, or film it in Toronto on the cheap.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
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East coast bias
Yes, people would recognize it, you homer. :P
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Is there even one recognizable landmark in LA?
Perhaps LAX, but I bet most Americans wouldn’t know it was LAX unless they were told.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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The wonderful telephone system
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Right
but if you ask me, LA already has been post-civilization for decades
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Jul 22, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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Good point
I think Smith drives a lot like the average Los Angelan in that movie, though.
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if only he had the batmocycle!
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by buddyball on
Jul 22, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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Brrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmm
It’s all mine.
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Jul 22, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
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not when I put those vintage
baseball cards in the spokes of my bike!
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I was always partial to Thor...
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Jul 22, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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and Groo...mmmmcheese dip.
I’ll bet I’m the only one who remembers Captain Carrot and the Amazing Zoo Crew.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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I remember Captain Carrot
from Discworld. Does that count?
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I rented that years ago...
seem to remember getting stuck and not knowing what to do….Loved Eric Idol. (sp?)
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Jul 22, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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It's a movie?
I was talking about the ridiculous amount of books that Carrot appears in.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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I thought you were refering to an old video game.
My bad.
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It's all good
but wait…was there a captain carrot in the game?
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Did you beat the game?
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not even close
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Jul 22, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
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bummer dude
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I thought she was an assistant DA?
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Yup
Maggie Gyllenhall (sp?) > superman skanks, Kirsten Drunkst
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Spiderman, not superman. My geek is showing, isn’t it?
Sorry, I got a wake up call today that I forgot about a shift I had picked up, so I’m still a little angry/tired…or something like that.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
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Jul 22, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
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No, YOU fail
I was making a list of super-consorts, not listing Drunkst as Lois Lane. Although my non-formatting did make it confusing.
I only saw the first Spiderman, and thought it sucked. Drunkst is a laugh a minute, though, with her fake boobs and tiny, tiny teeth.
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Jul 22, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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got it
ridiculous macro insult removed.
Someone has a thing against Kirsten. Did she turn you down for a date or something?
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Maggie G. is about as attractive as the average DMV employee
Kirsten D. >>> Maggie G.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Bring It On!
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reply to all, then back to work. For 10 minutes, then I'll check the comments again
I don’t really dislike Kirsten that much. She’s attractive (especially with red hair), but really overrated. I think BIll Simmons pointed out that part of her appeal is (was) that her chest makes her seem unattainable, but her teeth pull you back in.
Anyway, alocholism isn’t really a turn on for me.
I’ll also admit that Maggie Gyllenhal is up and down. I have the same ….tastes… in general, with most men of my demographic, but I do like some quirkiness.
But, we were talking about movies, and, maybe it’s just me, but I like my eye candy to have a modicum of acting talent. Maggie has it, and Kirsten, well, let’s just say she doesn’t often seem up for anything other than roles that Jennifer Love Hewitt (Hank Steinbrenner’s favorite actress!) passes up.
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