Ross Gload, Your (Worst in the MLB) Everyday First Baseman!?!
Per the request of Royals Retro in today's game thread, I am here for my Ross Gload breakdown analysis. It was noted that Jimmy Gobble's unfortunate demise came shortly after I analyzed his season performance in a FanPost. So, here I am again to "coincidentally" analyze The Exploding One. Just call me your resident hit man. Or voodoo doll. Whichever you prefer.
Dropping Shealy was a tough call because he banged four home runs and had 10 RBIs in spring games with a .286 batting average and a .612 slugging percentage. But incumbent first baseman Ross Gload, who has a two-year contract, was out of options, and Shealy had an option left.
Also, if Olivo had not been suspended, Shealy might have made the roster as the 25th man.
"You never know in this game. It's a long summer," Shealy said. "I had fun, and I was healthy -- that was the big thing."
Shealy, who began last season as the regular first baseman, fought injuries most of the year. ---Dick Kaegel, March 29th
I realize this is not a new topic, nor will my commentary likely include any information that we don't already know. I also realize that most competent Royals fans know that Ross Gload should not be an everyday option. Surely the front office is aware of this as well. Is Ross Gload the biggest area of concern when Teahen, Butler, and Gordon have all been disappointing? Definitely not.
But he's Ross Gload. He represents everything that the Royals are trying to escape---the moniker of being that "loser organization." (Yes, I realize Gload won a WS ring with CHW, so he could be defined as the only 'winner' we have. But that's not the point.) Face it...with this whole "New. Blue. Tradition" PR campaign, the Royals are trying to escape from a stigma. It's the stigma of being viewed as a crappy team that's trotting players out in Major League roles/positions that they have no business being in if they were part of a competent organization. That's Ross Gload. That is the Ross Gload Stigma, my friends.
FSN flashed a stat during a game this week showing Ross Gload has played the 5th-most games among Royals players this season. That fact alone should send some of you dashing towards the closest toilet and/or trash can. What other organization would allow that to take place? Seriously....which ones? Baltimore? Nope. Kevin Millar is better (95 OPS+). Maybe Cleveland...but Garko did hit 21 HR with an OPS+ of 117 last season. Texas and /or Seattle? They both trotted out equally-Gload-esque Richie Sexson and Ben Broussard before they realized it was time to cut their losses and find a new everyday first bagger. Sadly though, this organization has not come to that conclusion.
OFFENSE
Do you want to know some of the first basemen with a better VORP that our Exploading One? Wait, wait. That list is too long. Let's try this another way......
Do you want to know THE ONLY first baseman with a WORSE VORP than Gload?
The aforementioned, and now jobless Ben Broussard. It only took 89 PA's for Texas to realize their mistake. Guys like Miguel Cairo, Aaron Boone, Jason Botts & Chris Shelton (other Texas cast-offs) are all above Mr. Gload.
What about EqA? Will that paint a brighter picture? After all, some Gload supporters will point to his rather pedestrian batting average as reason that he is qualified for a full-time MLB gig. Here is the bottom few for EqA at 1B so far in 2008 (min. 50 PA):
Ben "I got DFA'ed" Broussard: .161
Shelley "I got optioned to AAA" Duncan .189
Miguel Cairo .218
Ross "20+ consecutive starts at 1B" Gload .222
Wilson Betemit .229
Ryan Garko .231
---Seriously, how much worse can it get? That's not exactly good company. Cairo's not the best comparison because he only has half of the PA's that Gload does. Garko, Daric Barton, and Paul Konerko are the only regular players (200+ PA's) who are in Gload's zip code of ineptitude.
I don't even want to think about looking up OPS+, so I won't bother. Ok, just for fun.
Gload: 70
Garko: 75
Barton: 79
Konerko: 81
Light-Hitting 2B Luis Castillo: 89 !!!!!!!!
Ok, enough of this. I'm feeling sicker by the moment. Let's move to Gload's "bright spot"---defense.
DEFENSE
I can't claim to know much about defensive stats, so I'll just present the information that NHZ posted during a game thread not too long ago. Supposedly Gload's glove at 1B is saving us 19879138410984 runs per game. In fact, I've heard other fans claim that "Gload's glove allows us to keep Aviles' glove on the field." BARF. How do the numbers for defense treat Gload? Surely they can't be worse than offense.
RZR (Revised Zone Rating--the # of balls hit into a fielder's zone that are successfully converted into an out): Gload is 20th out of the 26th first basemen who qualify. Link here. Side note...Billy Butler has a better RZR (.706) than Gload (.699).
OOZ: (Out of Zone--the number of balls hit outside of a fielder's zone that are converted into outs): Gload is 26th....behind the defensive wizards Miguel Cabrera and Jason Giambi. Among players with at least 500 innings at first base, only Matt Jacobs is worse. But let's compare him to his main competition, Billy Butler.
Gload 615 innings, 13 out-of-zone plays = 47.3 innings per ooz play
Butler 163 innings, 4 out-of-zone plays = 40.75 innings per ooz play
Range Factor: This is the only place where Gload scores significantly better than Butler, but at the same time, Gload's numbers are STILL slightly below-average at first base. And Gload's numbers are not anything than Shealy hasn't produced at the major league level.
FINAL ANALYSIS/THOUGHTS
Let's do a quick recap. So far we've found that Gload is among the 2-3 worst offensive first basemen in the majors. We've seen that Gload's defensive numbers are also among the bottom third of the league. Why does he continue to man first base EVERY FREAKING DAY?
Yes, he was a decent hitter for about four weeks. But he did most of that damage against the National League teams. Coincidence? Perhaps. But it's still something to consider.
Gload at the beginning of the main interleague schedule: .241/.279/.278
Gload at the end of the main interleague schedule: .263/.303/.328
So yeah, he got hot. But guess what: he's 1 for his last 20, and 2 for his last 27. Trey is yanking Teahen and Gordon seemingly every day. What happens to Gload? Not a thing.
Final points. Let's see if we can wrap up this season with a quick recap.
1. Gload "wins" job out of spring training because he doesn't have options left and Shealy does.
2. Gload starts the season as our everyday first baseman, but eventually loses that job to Butler as Olivo heats up to become everyday DH.
3. Guillen goes crazy and Butler sent down. Gload now has an everyday gig.
4. Butler comes back, Gload is "playing well," and Gload keeps his job while Butler and/or Olivo ride the pine.
5. Gload is currently 1 for his last 20. Butler is back and has displayed some power in the last week. Shealy is hitting .298/.381/.513 in Omaha. A fanbase is restless!!!
Most fans realize Gload is not our answer at first. Is Butler really going to hurt us that much at first? The numbers don't point to that happening. Is Olivo's regression mainly to blame?
And what about Shealy? No I didn't forget his horrible start last year. I remember he had the bat speed problem. But I also am currently being victimized to the Ross Gload Stigma problem. The numbers say it can't get any worse!
He seems to be a victim of the "options vs. no options" crunch. Apparently the Royals brass thinks it would be too horrific for our organization to let Tony Pena Jr, Ross Gload, or Joey Gathright test the waiver wire. Are those players THAT vital in our organizational plan that we would suffer a major setback if they were claimed? Most fans I know would applaud if any of the players from that triumvirate found a new MLB home.
The only guys who appear to have options left are Gordon,Aviles,Butler, and a few pitchers (Peralta,Hochevar,Davies?, Bannister?, Nunez?). Maybe having TPJ as the mop-up man in order to save a roster spot isn't so bad of an idea after all. And as far as I know, this craptastic three-headed monster of 1B "logjam" will still be around next year too. I don't know how it will end, but I know who I don't want trotting around first base every day in that "I'm trotting with my knees locked so I kick up a little bit of dust" way that makes me soooooooooooo anger-fied........THIS GUY!
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I know how you feel big fella......and there's a whole fan base that feels the same way.
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Great post
Thanks for letting me know all this.
Knowing this, all future bodily functions will be refered to as Gloadsters (i.e. ‘I’m sorry officer, I’ve gotta take a Gload so bad I had to do 90!’, or ‘Yeah, Bobby got wasted last night and exploded Gload all over the Hardee’s drive thru menu’, and wo can forget the timeless classic ‘I’ve gotta go drop Gload of at the pool’.)
If Shealy isn’t here, why isn’t Stololka giving it a shot? Jeez! Pick one and give them a try! Even COSTA NOW! is an option at 1B before Gloady the Toady.
I really don't know what to say... Did the post above this signature make sense? Probably not.
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 23, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KILA KIAIHIE or however that's spelled!!!
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 24, 2008 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another HR last night for Kila.
Kaaihue:
.309 / .466 / .625 (1.091 OPS)
This is absurd.
Well, at least I think he becomes a minor league free agent after this season.
Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!
by RATW on Jul 24, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
No offense, didn’t read the whole thing.
But it went without saying.
Gload sucks. Give Shealy a shot. Zero downside.
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by doublestix on Jul 24, 2008 12:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
January 18th, 2008
1/18/08 Signed INF-OF Ross Gload to a two-year contract with a club option for 2010
by royalsreview on Jul 24, 2008 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A dark day in Royals history
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how did the roster get to be like this?
He seems to be a victim of the “options vs. no options” crunch. Apparently the Royals brass thinks it would be too horrific for our organization to let Tony Pena Jr, Ross Gload, or Joey Gathright test the waiver wire. Are those players THAT vital in our organizational plan that we would suffer a major setback if they were claimed? Most fans I know would applaud if any of the players from that triumvirate found a new MLB home.
the options crunch is huge, and has been affecting non-moves all-season
I am really no Shealy fan, but he is hitting in Omaha, and in fact hit alright after demoted last season
by royalsreview on Jul 24, 2008 1:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did you lose your shealy fandom
before or after last year’s Baseball Weekly prediction? :)
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by marbotty on Jul 24, 2008 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"blogger likes Shealy"
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by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, it occurs to me that the Yankees (as a rule)
don’t tend to carry hitters with options.
I think we finally saw the first sensible attempt to get around the option problem a couple of days ago. Now it’s time for Gload and Gathright to suffer mysterious “injuries” of the 60-day variety and get some new looks up here.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SEXSON NOW
too late.
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by marbotty on Jul 24, 2008 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sacrificial lamb.
People like Mark Teahen are getting a free pass from a lot of you when he is supposed to be the future. Ross Gload is what he is, and he has been playing better lately. So please stop acting like throwing Russ out there is the difference in this team being a contender and being a failure.
Destined for failure.
by JobDDT on Jul 24, 2008 3:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HA!
1. Teahen is definitely not getting a free pass here. Once G-Load is gone he’ll almost assuredly be the whipping boy.
2. Gload WAS hot. Now? He’s batting .125 in his last ten games. Amazing.
3. The difference between a first baseman with a .618 OPS and one that could possibly have a .818 OPS is pretty damn big. Don’t ya think?
No one here is delusional enough to think the difference between Gload and a real first baseman is 25 games. But here’s the thing. Gload just flat out sucks. It’s a complete embarrassment to have him as a starting first baseman. We have a guy in AAA (Shealy) who might be a good first baseman. We have a guy in AA (Kaaihue) who might be a good first baseman. We also have a guy at the MLB level (G-Load) who flat out sucks and has no upside. Hmm, I know who I’d take my chances with.
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by doublestix on Jul 24, 2008 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a joke
No one’s saying it’s the difference between being a “contender” and a “failure”, more like THERE IS NO FUCKING POINT GIVING AWAY FIRST BASE STARTS TO ROSS FRACKING GLOAD!!!
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
There is no one move that will make the Royals contender, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do anything to try to improve this ballclub.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 24, 2008 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now
The Royals should be in an open try out mode for positions, so that they can avoid this type of “options vs. no options” roster crunch in the future. We aren’t playing for this year are we? Ideally, we should have never signed Gload to a two year contract, but as it is I’d rather think of it as sunk cost and let Shealy play out the rest of the year as his final chance. This will solve one positional problem.
The SS/backup middle infielder is another conundrum. TPJ is are only real SS option, everyone else is a 2B or 3B trying to be a SS. I feel like TPJ should be cut as well, because he is just as easily replaced on the waiver wire or trading Grudz solves a lot of problems allowing German/Callaspo to slot into the starting 2B position with Aviles at SS and TPJ or German/Callaspo as the other backup infielders.
Outfield is another issue completely. Gator is not a starter, it’s even questionable if he can be a backup. Right now, he’s a fifth OF, whose speed allows him to beat out some of the many infield singles he hits. DDJ needs to be in CF, and the Royals need to try out some of their other middling OF prospects to see if they have a future in the organization as a 4th OF and on the 40 man roster. Maier seems a little more balanced of an offensive player and can play all 3 OF positions. Costa seems to need a change of scenery to me, because I don’t know how many chances he’ll get from this organization.
The Royals have their work cut out for them this offseason as they try to build a reliable offense around a core that hopefully will grow and develop. A power hitting OF and 1B need to be at the top of our wishlist with SS also a possibility; however, I wouldn’t be opposed to Aviles getting another season out there. It is frustrating to watch the Royals go through the same cycle of trotting mediocre players out there for yet another summer, even though, they are around players that have potential.
by lordbyronk on Jul 24, 2008 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What gets me is
DM seems to understand the concept of “sunk cost”. He demoted Berroa and his awful contract and got a cheaper, better (yes TPJ is better than Berroa) option. Why doesn’t he do the same with Gload? Eat the contract and play the guy that is better. Clearly at this point that is Shealy.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 24, 2008 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
The other person I would like to see on the roster is Carlos Rosa. It would be good to see him get a few starts in the rotation and give our pitchers who are getting shelled Hochevar/Bannister a chance to pitch out of the pen in long relief. This way they can regroup at the major league level, and we can see what we have in Rosa.
by lordbyronk on Jul 24, 2008 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's easier to call a Baird contract (like Berroa) a sunk cost than your own contract (Gload).
by djk royal on Jul 24, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Tomko"
Thank you, I’ll be here all week.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An ERA of nearly 8 on a one year deal for a fifth starter journeyman was hard to turn loose.
by djk royal on Jul 24, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He still ate almost as much
as he’d eat now by dumping Gload.
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by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Teahen's certainly a problem
what with having scored 44 runs (third on the team behind Gordon’s 50 and DeJesus’ 48).
Wait, scoring runs IS the point, right?
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by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahen is a corner OF with an OPS of 706. That is a problem.
by djk royal on Jul 24, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, scoring runs doesn't matter.
OBP and SLG are more important than scoring runs. Right?
(Yes, yes, I know. And OPS actually predicts runs better than runs do, just as any number of metrics predict hits better than hits do. But the point is that amidst his poor season, Teahen is still managing to do the ONE TRULY IMPORTANT thing—cross the plate. He is not the problem here.)
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by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
runs scored is hardly the best individual statistic when it comes to evaluating hitters. In fact, it’s pretty terrible.
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by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No... it's really not.
It’s a terrible predictor. But a guy who consistently scores 80-100 runs a season IS a valuable player; what it means over time is that if his actual batting line looks unimpressive, then he must be doing something to maximize his time on base.
Like stealing bases at a high rate and a high success rate. Or, if he’s not a base-stealer… perhaps by, I dunno, being the best baserunner in the league.
(See what I did there?)
Teahen DOES get on base, and once he’s there, he not only fails to COST the team potential runs (as, well, the entire rest of the Royals lineup seems to), but he actually maximizes his scoring opportunities. Since there’s no easy stat to look at which adds one’s baserunning excellence to one’s OPS to give a true picture, I think we overlook this aspect of Mark’s game, but it’s a very real aspect and clearly a significant one (especially when you consider how many runs he’s scored in connection with who’s been hitting BEHIND him most of the season, hello Gload/Buck/Pena/Gathright).
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Teahen Does get on base"
That is thrown around as fact, maybe since his name was in moneyball, but in reality he has a 313 OBP this year and a 334 OBP overall.
by djk royal on Jul 24, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way:
I point out “JULY” because Teahen’s OPS+ in March/April was 110, and in June was 108. It was only 80 in March, mostly as a result of a complete power outage.
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by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...which is almost 70 points above his BA.
If he were hitting at his career level, his OBP would be .336, which is still not exactly fantastic, but far less of an issue.
Teahen’s problem this season - or, to be honest and more specific, Teahen’s problem in JULY - is very simple. I think, as an exercise (and for fun (and not because I’m being a dick, I promise)), I’ll let you try and figure out what that problem is yourself. I will give you a hint, though: .238.
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by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine that he has a decent walk rate but his batting average
is still the main driver of OBP and his peak batting average is probably around 275-280. Therefore his OBP peak is probably around 350 which is a little above average but no great shake for a corner OF who struggles to slug 400. His baserunning is excellent despite the absence of any stolen bases. I will grant you that.
by djk royal on Jul 24, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see you didn't bite
which disappoints me.
The .238 is his BABIP in July, which is just a phenomenally low figure, about 60 points below average expectations. And since BABIP is an essentially random figure for both pitchers and hitters, Mark’s in a horrible slump as a pure result of crappy luck, nothing more.
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by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe defenses...
figured out he refuses to be a pull hitter and have started playing their entire outfield the opposite way? Kidding, sort of.
by djk royal on Jul 24, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which I would actually support as a theory
if defenses were actually doing that, but they aren’t. ;) (At least, not to any extent they weren’t earlier in the season. Teahen’s propensity to go the other way has been well-known for years now. The funny thing is, that’s what everyone used to love about George Brett. I don’t get it.)
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by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad...
we couldn’t merge the pull tendencies of Gordon with the opposite-field tendencies of Teahen to have an actual good approach at the plate for these two.
Too bad there wasn’t some sort of instructor who could concentrate solely on hitting to help these two young fellas. Charlie Lau where art thou.
by djk royal on Jul 24, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya, buddy.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe some luck, but Teahen stopped hitting line drives in July
He has hit only 5 line drives (roughly 12% LD%) this month. For July, his expected BABIP (LD% + .120) would be around .240.
by Gopherballs on Jul 24, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I... am not convinced
that LD% isn’t heavily luck-dependent either. GB vs FB tendencies are very real, of course, but LD% is sort of the intersection of the two. Think of the physics and geometry of hitting a baseball. High GB% means the player either consistently swings over the ball, or swings down. High FB% means the player either consistently swings under the ball, or swings up. A line drive requires solid bat contact on an essentially level plane, and a quarter-inch either way changes that from a line drive to a grounder or fly ball.
I do think things tend to even out over time, meaning that a large-sample size showing a propensity for either high or low LD numbers is meaningful. I don’t think a sample of 100 PA, however, is relevant.
(Interestingly, however, I DO think that studying LD% in small contiguous sample sizes can itself explain slumps and hot streaks, and could go a long way toward a very smart hitting coach figuring out how to level off streaky performances. Neat thought, huh?)
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is luck involved in LD%
but unlike how the defense fields the ball or how the wind blows the ball, how a hitter makes contact is within his control. The LD% should pop back up, but Teahen is responsible for a good part of his current slump, so it is more than “a pure result of crappy luck.”
by Gopherballs on Jul 24, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But see...
no. I don’t believe the hitter IS in all that much control. A steady plate approach and sweet swing will obviously smooth out the peaks and valleys, but we’re talking about a 3” diameter round club being propelled at a certain speed trying to hit a 4” diameter sphere moving at 80-100 mph with spin and motion. The batter simply cannot control whether or not that swing will meet the ball straight on to the extent that one can draw conclusions from any small contiguous sample.
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by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it is pretty bad.
Runs scored is line-up dependent. Teahen is a very, very good baserunner, yes. He has about an average OBP. I don’t see how we need runs scored to tell us what kind of player he is given these two facts.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because runs scored is the evidence which proves the assertion, man.
If you had a guy who had 500 PA and a .400 OBP and everyone said he was one of the best baserunners ever, and he only scored 40 runs, you’d call bullshit. You wouldn’t say, “well, I guess the rest of the lineup sucks”, because there’s simply no way that a team could possibly be bad enough to allow a guy to get on base 200 times and only score 40 runs.
It works the other way, too.
By the way, let’s also not forget, Teahen’s second on the team in walks. Just sayin’.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I see.
I’ll give you that runs scored “proves the assertion.” I misunderstood your point. Mulligan, please?
Teahen’s still a below average corner outfielder, sadly, though I don’t think that’s in dispute.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, sure. He's woefully miscast.
Of course, we should all try and remember that this is because he’s a third baseman.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't be hitting well
there either, but yes it’s true.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your hypothetical example is very extreme...
teahen isnt doing THAT well at scoring runs…he’s third on our crappy team…on pase for like 70…not good.
the opposite of your example would be a guy who gets on base at a 280 clip but scores 150 runs…he might be a good baserunner, but nobody is THAT good. Theres alot of luck involved in that.
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 26, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(And since this is about Gload)
Compare Teahen’s baserunning with Gload’s. Man, talk about no contest. How many outs has Gload cost us on the bases?!
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by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst OPS+ by a first baseman
Minimum 250 PAs, since 1990:
1. Tony Clark BOS 2002 .207/.265/.291 (47)
2. JR Phillips SFG 1995 .195/.256/.351(61)
3. Carlos Martinez CHW 1990 .224/.252/.327 (63)
4. Doug Mientkiewicz MIN 1999 .229/.324/.330 (66)
5. Ross Gload KCR 2008 .259/.314/.314 (68)
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 24, 2008 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I should point out
Those other guys only amassed about 250 PAs for the year. Those teams wised up and quit playing them.
Ross’s current OPS+ is 68. If he doesn’t improve on that and they continue to play him, he will have posted the second worst season by an every day first baseman since World War II. Only Seattle’s Dan Meyer was worse, posting a .227/.264/.327 in 1978 in an amazing 477 PAs.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 24, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dan's OPS+ was 66, come on Ross you can do it,
keep bailing out on every swing. Is there a can’t miss prospect at the top of next year’s draft?
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by Royal Kingdom on Jul 24, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for the options question
What’s so wrong with optioning him to Omaha now? No team will claim him off waivers and pay his $1.9 million salary. If he refuses assignment, we’re off the hook. So what’s the downside? The upside is maybe he gets his head on straight and learns to hit again, or that Shealy shows he can hit MLB pitching and we have our first baseman.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 24, 2008 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
its the psychology
of knowing millions are being paid to AAA players a la berroa, etc
by ZeppelinDZ on Jul 24, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe its harder to admit he was wrong as opposed to
admitting Allard Baird was wrong. But by the same token, he appears to be admitting he was wrong to annoint Shealy as the starting 1B at the beginning of last year.
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by Royal Kingdom on Jul 24, 2008 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I can’t claim to know much about defensive stats, so I’ll just present the information that NHZ posted during a game thread not too long ago. Supposedly Gload’s glove at 1B is saving us 19879138410984 runs per game.
Clearly that guy is one huge Gload fan.
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by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, look at his source of information and adoration - NHZ
President of the Ross Gload Fan Club!!!
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by buddyball on Jul 24, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha.....well-played.
i was referring to the RZR and OOZ numbers…...but well-played sir.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 24, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, overall this was some good work.
and it seems to suggest that joel may have missed the boat on Ross the Boss’s defense.
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by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ross Gload’s bat has cost the Royals about 1½ wins
The average line for major league 1B this year is 269/353/448, 801 OPS.
A close approximation of the average major league 1B this year is Joey Votto. This is how Votto compares with Gload:
Joey Votto 2008: 371 PA, 272/342/449, 791 OPS, 52 Runs Created (18 out of 32 1B with 270 PA)
Ross Gload 2008: 278 PA, 259/314/314, 628 OPS, 23 Runs Created (32 out of 32)
In terms of raw numbers, Votto has created 19 runs more than Gload. Approximately 10 runs is equivalent to 1 win, so a nominally below average 1B like Votto has been roughly 2 wins better than Gload.
But Gload has played less than Votto, right? Gload has played almost exactly 75% as much as Votto. Adjusting for playing time, however, Votto is worth 39 runs (75% x 52 Runs Created), which is 16 more runs than Gload. Thus, even adjusted for playing time, Gload’s bat has been 1.6 runs worse than a nominally below average 1B.
by Gopherballs on Jul 24, 2008 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I continue to be impressed
by the good points you’ve made in the fanposts recently. Well done. Though I think you meant 1.6 wins in that last sentence.
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by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the subtraction is wrong....52-23=29 not 19....so either its a typo.....
or rossie is over 2 wins below average
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 24, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh...nm...you adjusted later on
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 24, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, my bad on the 1.6 wins
When will the edit button be implemented?
by Gopherballs on Jul 24, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
I certainly could use it, though.
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by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you factoring in the 5 runs per game Ross saves with his glove?
I don’t think you are. Obviously you have never played the game.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 24, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just think
how awesome he must be at catching throws, given that he makes an OOZ paly once in a blue moon.
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by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gload was probably around +5 runs with the glove last year
This year, it seems not so much. It will be interesting to see what the more advanced metrics have to say (which, unfortunately for our purposes, typically do not come out until the end of the season).
by Gopherballs on Jul 24, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it'll be
interesting, but ultimately just piling on. I’m afraid the real problem here is that first base is really, really supposed to be an offense-first position and even if Gload was a legit Gold Glover right now he still wouldn’t even be close to worth a roster spot.
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by NHZ on Jul 24, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad enough he's playing at all,
but he has now started something like 30 games in a row.
If you were Hillman, wouldn’t you at the very least, put Butler at 1B vs lefties so you could DH either Olivo or German?
by loyal2sdad on Jul 24, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
please be sure to factor in the grit component into your analysis
I believe it an exponential increase in value and runs saved
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by buddyball on Jul 24, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how about Gordon at 1B?
Get gload out of the lineup and German in…
by Bart41 on Jul 24, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be an improvement offensively for sure
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 24, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would suggest the other way.
Gordon has the potential to be a good 3b even though he has struggled this year. German would be pretty brutal over there.
by djk royal on Jul 24, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How About This?
DDJ CF
German DH
Aviles SS
Guillen LF
Gordon 3B
Butler 1B
Teahen RF
Gritz/Callaspo 2B
Buck/Olivo C
Get German’s bat in the lineup without having to suffer the consequences of his glove.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 27, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess that German's glove is better than Butler's, even at 1B
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 27, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An interesting note from JoePo
I remember very clearly during spring training when Royals manager Trey Hillman — who should be open to all sorts of new things because he’s been in JAPAN the last five years — talked about how he would "think out of the box." And then, as an example, he said that he might hit Ross Gload third in the lineup. That was his idea of thinking out of the box. Now, to be fair (and to his everlasting credit), Hillman has not actually HIT Gload third this year. And this should not be taken for granted; Buddy Bell gave Gload 69 plate appearances in the No. 3 spot last year.
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by jonfmorse on Jul 24, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good lord
I had forgotten that. Thank god we never say Ross hitting third, or I might have lost my lunch.
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