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Tampa Bay Rays @ Kansas City Royals


“It’s just the big innings that have killed me,” Bannister told the Royals’ official Web site.

And it's just my complete lack of talent and skill that's kept me in the lowest tax bracket as I approach 30. Bad luck!

Brian Bannister (5.49 ERA) versus Edwin Jackson (4.25 ERA) tonight at the K. After a string of rough starts, Bannister's ERA is now the highest it has been since he made his second start as a Royal, back on April 29th, 2007.

Editorial note: I'll be on the road tonight and in Washington this weekend, so, depending on how my schedule breaks down, the overflow threads and post-game posts may be nonexistent or late-coming. The game threads will be on schedule however.

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Editorial note: I’ll be on the road tonight and in Washington this weekend, so, depending on how my schedule breaks down, the overflow threads and post-game posts may be nonexistent or late-coming. The game threads will be on schedule however.

This is total bullshit I don’t care what your wife roped you into you need to sit your silly ass down by the computer and create some fuckin threads. SACK UP MAN

Who cares about RBI's, how many HDB's you got?

by kcscoliny on Jul 25, 2008 7:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's fiance and that makes all the difference in the world

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't worry

I’m sure between NY and me we’ll have the overflows covered.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh great

the nattering nabobs of negativism

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh snap

alliteration!

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you know who said that?

bonus points if you tell me who wrote it for the speaker

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I'm ineligible

since you’ve used that line before in reference to me mentioning his name…

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wasn't it Spiro Agnew?

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, and the speech writer?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd have to cheat

So no bonus points for me.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hint: he was on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me two weeks ago

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on yahoo says,

“nursing a sore back”...hes now turned into grudz!

by cfizzle on Jul 25, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he is even grittier?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh ok the "sore back" thing

least it’s not the painful “bone bruise” thanks for the update

by Chief Justice Kasey Royals on Jul 25, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fact: bears eat beets!

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahaha

Of course, you can’t post Office pics without Pam… (glares at FVSL)

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

identity theft is not a joke!

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah

Now my day is complete. Thank you.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lineups!

A. Iwamura 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .274
B.J. Upton cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .269
C. Crawford lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .268
E. Longoria 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276
C. Pena 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .230
C. Floyd dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .252
D. Navarro c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .313
E. Hinske rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .255
J. Bartlett ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264
Totals

D. DeJesus lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .308
M. Aviles ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .312
M. Grudzielanek 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .305
J. Guillen rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .262
A. Gordon 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .251
B. Butler dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .253
R. Gload 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
J. Buck c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .252
M. Maier cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
Totals

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 25, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With all the broohaha about

Longoria and the pitching, it seems like people have missed the problems Tampa has had with their lineup. Upton’s power is down, Iwamura isn’t as big as a plus as they hoped, Crawford’s looked off all year, Pena has turned back into a pumpkin, Bartlett just got his SLG over .300…that’s not a lineup that should be set in stone down the stretch. They could use another bat.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I fully expect

Maier to go on a tear and claim the RF job down the stretch, OPSing .900. There, this way I won’t look silly on the .06% chance that actually happens. Damn you, Mike Aviles.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who then is in LF? CF?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoops

Sorry I believe I meant LF. We have a hoagy in right.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bannister throws some more 4 seamers down the middle

lead off baserunner, we’ve seen thsi game before

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's ok

it’s all part of his plan to improve his pitching from the stretch.

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not watching - why didn't they get a double play on Upton's grounder?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it was a nice play by Aviles just to field the ball. he fielded it directly behind 2nd base....

we had no chance at 2B….shouldn’t have had a play at 1b, but Upton loafed out of the box because he thiought it was going to get through for a single

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 25, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I'd be the best pitching coach ever

My strategy would be to go out to the mound, reeking of the hard alcohol in my hip flask, and to tell the struggling pitcher to “throw two straight pitches over the plate and a bendy one away from the **er with the bat.”

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, fastball down the middle, good pitch to Longoria

Nice job banny

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, this is an improvement from the last start at least....

only one run. Thank goodness we had Gload at first base to catch those chest-high throws. He saved us at least 3 runs that inning.

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 25, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's wrong with you?

He saved at least four! It was only his mental powers that kept Longoria from homering!

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only 24 pitches in that inning baby!

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what are your guys' thoughts on bob gibson vs. pedro?

sorry for the random tangent but we’re having an argument here

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jul 25, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In terms of..?

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

better pitcher for career....

and to that, it started talking about best RHP ever

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jul 25, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

That’s a tough one. Pre-injury Pedro was the best pitcher I’ve ever seen.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Unbelievably good. I read somewhere that his BABIP that in his best year was also like .30 points above league average. Which means… he got unlucky. Did I read that on here?

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure

but Martinez in his prime…when he was on the mound for any given start, you’d ALWAYS feel like the team was going to win unless they fucked things up in the field behind him or got shut out. He was just a once-in-a-generation talent. Don’t forget how good a hitting era it was when he was in his prime, either, and he was an absolute buzzsaw.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, it's fun to go back and look at his game logs on BR

and just marvel at them

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing will ever top

the playoff game against Cleveland. Nothing. That was even more “heroic” than the bloody sock, IMO.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just incredible

he threw practically sidearm the entire appearance, too, because his shoulder was bothering him. Ridiculous.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wouldn't this be a great reality show?

Every week, you stage a mock trial: Gibson vs. Pedro, Montana vs. Brady, Evert vs. Martina, whatever. You get a jury composed of people with an open mind on the question, willing to be swayed either way. Call sportswriters and statheads and former players to “testify.”

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fact: Bob Gibson is from Omaha, Pedro is not

therefore, Bob Gibson is better

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, I still maintaing that Gibson was better

he dominated games

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Martinez did too

though. They were both pretty terrifying.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm old enough to remember seeing him pitch

and I was scared watching it on TV

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love the sections on him

in October 1964. Ever read that one? It paints quite vivid a picture of how freaking good Gibson was.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have not read that - I will look it up

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For example:
If [Tim] McCarver came out to the mound to talk to him, it was only because [manager] Johnny Keane had ordered him to go out. “He’s pitching too quickly,” Keane would say, ordering McCarver to slow Gibson down. “He doesn’t want me to go out there,” McCarver would protest. “I’m running this goddamn club, not Gibson,” Keane would say, and McCarver would trudge out. He would still be five or six yards away from the mound when Gibson would wave him off; ‘What the hell are you doing out here? Get the hell back behind the plate where you belong. The only thing you know about pitching is that you can’t hit!”

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's a David Halberstam book, by the way

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now if we could just get Gibson to sit in the FOX booth

and keep telling him that…

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whoops
”...The only thing you know pitching is that you can’t hit it!”

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SALLAS... AUTO REPAIR

WE’RE ONE IN A MILLION
WHERE THE CUSTOMER’S NUMBER ONE
WE’RE DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE REST
PEOPLE COME FROM MILES AROUND

by BHWick on Jul 25, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how did that spammer get on here?

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now on the radio

“This is Radio Clash” (Brent Mayne’s old at-bat music), as the DJ team on KRBZ is apparently closing out with 50 minutes of the Clash before losing their jobs in Seattle and moving back to KC.

Oh yeah, a game is going on too

by BHWick on Jul 25, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I’m hardly the most negative person when it comes to Bannister, but he needs to shake something in his approach up or…something, because he’s been looking like the league has him dead to rights.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems like he just doesn't have a plan anymore.

That, or any confidence in his plan. Just nibbling, now he’s throwing his four seamer more, guys are sitting on pitches away because he’s not pitching inside anymore – Hinske just reached out and whacked a change up into center. Not to mention he’s missing his spots, and just doesn’t have the control to pitch the way he’s trying to pitch. It’s really ugly.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but other than that, he is pitching great

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I don’t see enough games to confirm what you’re saying, but it seems pretty likely. It’s almost as if he’s completely deserted the “pound the zone” approach of last year that worked so well. Bannister obviously was due for a bit of an ERA correction, but you get the feeling that if he simply stuck to throwing strikes he could still be league average. Easy for me to say, I know, but he showed that kind of ability last year.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last year he was pounding the zone with his little slider / cut fastball

And had really good command of it. Not to mention, guys were swinging at tonsssss of pitches outside of the zone. Now they’re taking those pitches off the corners, forcing him to come into the zone – and he doesn’t have good enough control to throw quality strikes when he falls behind. Not to mention that he has no real put away pitch, because his curveball is rarely thrown for strikes / swung at out of the zone.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on the plus side, he has one K and no walks, so his K/BB ratio is infinity!

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe that is better than where Meche was last night

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm glad we got that out of the way early

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

% chance of a double play?

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Double play machine baby

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quick inning baby!

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mike aviles can't play SS!!

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who's that guy on the mound?

A seven pitch inning in a Royals uniform? Unpossible.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That'd be hilarious

Stick one player in another’s uniform, then run him out there. I wonder what the royals are on that.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*Rules, even

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok Maj

you don’t have to wave for the entire camera shot

by BHWick on Jul 25, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Buck's head is too big and narrow

to be bald.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's a vampire, so...

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go Milwaukee!

The Brewers are a pretty fun team to watch.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With Sabathia

it’s pretty hard to see them not at least grabbing the wild card.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've watched all his starts since the trade

He’s been so good. Really, I expect a no hitter before the season is over ;]

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah,

apparently he shook the workload hangover in a big way. He was sooooooooo bad in April this year. I remember seeing him struggle in the playoffs against the Sox and thinking how lucky we were that he was clearly dragging. A healthy and ready to go Sabathia has to be one of the best five starters in the NL.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TRADE NEWS:

Yankee’s just got Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte from pirates.

by cfizzle on Jul 25, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...

and…the Red Sox…are…overjoyed…

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

How was Tabata doing this year? I thought he was still regarded pretty highly and, well, Marte’s just a bullpen guy and Nady looks due to come back to earth.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kontos (AA) 3-9 107 IP, 103K, 43 BB, 1.30 WHIP
Tabata (AA) .248/.320/.310
Coke (AA/AAA) 9-4 117 IP, 113K, 39BB, 1.23 WHIP

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 25, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ouch

Rough year for Tabata, but still I think that’s a pretty good haul for the Pirates given that Nady is never going to have higher value than now.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damnit

I was eyeing Kontos for a Olivo/Kontos trade. Granted, I think Kontos got arrested for something in 2007.

by BHWick on Jul 25, 2008 9:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was he arrested for not playing well?

Because we could use some people who play well.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's crazy talk

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know it sounds nuts

but it just might work.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No hit through 3 baby

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we are picking our time

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Hit Fo Sho.

jackson deserves it he battled back from the flu. to return to baseball.

by cfizzle on Jul 25, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One of the best games I ever played

in my 14 years of soccer was when I the flu. I think it somehow prevented me from losing concentration. Maybe if the Royals all got the flu, we’d be a playoff team.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

I played football in 8th grade with an ingrown toenail, and it sucked.

by BHWick on Jul 25, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude,

bad hair helps you play soccer. Look at Landon Donovan. Actually, don’t.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

I loved playing soccer all the way up into college. Never have been a fan of watching it, though.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+2

I also played two years in college and only watch World Cup or Euro Cup games. My daughter has been in Germany all Spring and got to experience the craziness of that soccer. I’m hoping that she is bringing me a jersey

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where'd you go to school?

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a Division III school in northern New York - St. Lawrence Univ.

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

St. Lawrence

heard of it. Is their hockey program really good or am I thinking of a different school?

My Umaine branch is a III, too. Had some fun times with soccer, now I just play ultimate and intermurals. playing college sports >>>>> high school sports. My coach in college for soccer pretty much ruled.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, they have won the D-I hockey a few times

pretty amazing to have big time schools visit our tiny campus of 2.,000 mostly drunk students

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There we go

my memory did serve my right. I follow college hockey sporadically, but I was quite impressed that a school as small as St. Lawrence was right up there as a hockey school.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how about you?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UMaine-Farmington

had a lot of fun with it, too.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's why I had a good game

unfortunately, I no longer have that problem

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We played SM South with Rodney Peete at QB

and I had a shaving nick on my chin

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you win?

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 9:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Next time,

use a Mach 4™!

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had an art class with Albert Pujols' nephew

who promptly had two years in Johnson City and failed to hit the ball very well. Whoops.

by BHWick on Jul 25, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sigh.....what is up with Banny?

did he fool us last year?

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seems that way….although Pena does hit him well

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 25, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The tough thing, though

is that it’s hard to tell if he’s actually due to correct back towards that number because of his stuff being so hittable. I’m much more confident that Hochevar will improve than I am that Bannister will.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He avoids game threads

as a general rule.

Anyways, to clarify, I think Bannister can do better than a 5.50 ERA, but I like Hochevar’s stuff better at this point.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think that we're seeing a realish bannister...

and i definitely think luke will turn into at least a good #3…which isnt ideal for a #1 overall pick, but very useful

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jul 25, 2008 9:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Ideal" is so not a baseball word

but yes, I get what you’re saying. I look forward to seeing Hochevar continue to improve, as I really think he could be an underrated contributor to the next good Royals team.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah...the thing about the hochevar pick...

is that it wasnt a cheap pick, but it was a very safe one. the royals just couldnt swing and miss again…they had to get someone who would contribute. everyone else had a red flag that said they might not….lincecum with his size, goofy mechanics, kershaw being a HS arm, etc

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jul 25, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With any luck,

Hosmer will personify a more-risk, but significantly more reward type pick. BP seems quite high on his chances to really mash for KC in the bigs.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and moose as well

although, with hosmer…the comparison i read most often is casey kotchman….and that doesnt excite me at all

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jul 25, 2008 9:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

I think Hosmer’s upside comes with considerably more power than Kotchman. Though, of course, we really have no idea at this point. Moustakas is starting to weird me out with his hitting inconsistency and positional issues.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats what was weird about the comp....

i read it in more than one place…but then you read the actual scouting reports on him and he’s supposed to have prodigious power potential

i think moustakas will be fine….he’s showing good power in a pitchers league…and he’s young. ideally he’d be hitting better than 250 or whatever, but he’s not being embarrassed

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jul 25, 2008 9:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I concur on the comp

you don’t draft a 1B with the hope of him being Kotchman.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 10:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

You hope he’s Lou Gehrig.

And if he’s not, he’s a failure.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 10:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you, jon

for reminding me about a point I was going to make about “evaluating players at the limits.” :P

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 10:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TPJ would have gotten Pena at third and they would have turned

the double play

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One run through 4 baby

But I have a feeling Banny will be less pleased with this than some of his other recent starts

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 9:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 more innings if the wheels don't fall off?

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big if right there

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 9:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

go wash your mouth out with soap, young man

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

David making him throw pitches

9 pitches and then reaches on a pass ball/K
there we go!

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah baby free base runner

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by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you can't be good...

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd think there'd be marginal value

in the ability to deliberately swing and miss at 2-strike wild pitches

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me too.

LIke, what if the ball goes past the catcher, THEN you swing and go to first.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You may have found

one other thing TPJ would be good at.

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by TangledUpInRoyalBlue on Jul 25, 2008 9:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what would that metric be called?

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Hoodwinking"

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Missing Link will bring him home

I can feel it

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Muahaha

DDJ’s evil plan worked!

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

The Pirates good some reasonably good prospects in that deal, and I think Mahay’s probably better than Marte.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think there are still plenty of teams

who could use a lefty reliever who isn’t limited to situational work.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there are still a few...

but i think baby boss is more willing to panic and give away too much…b/c they’re in 3rd place

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jul 25, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You never know

Look at the NL East…another 3-team logjam. The NL West is a crapshoot as well. Really, I think teams are going to be calling Moore about mahay and grudz.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jackson is absolutely owning us

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by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we are awesome we wont lose another game we wont get another

out this season.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now there is a guy with his glass half full

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Optimism abounds!

I worked with the flake today and we discussed if chlorine could be an effective spermicide. Things are looking up.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as a scientist, I would insist on testing that hypothesis

hopefully you wouldn’t falsify it

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"This is for the good of science,

jump in already!”

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how could that line not work?

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously,

I should take you advice all the time when it comes to this stuff. I feel better already. Now I can’t wait until next time we’re forced to work together.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

please understand

I consider it a miracle that I got married and that if anything ever happened to make me single again, I would seriously consider becoming a monk rather than face the dating scene again.

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I admire your humility. :P

But I still like your advice.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one should use the scientific method whenever possible

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The tough thing is...

how do I make it so falsifying the hypothesis isn’t a completely disastrous result? Hmm…I should probably just shut up now.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that would not be good.....

you need to restate the hypothesis

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe if we amend it to

...you know what, never mind. I could get carried away with this.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 10:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes...that would be best

although here is your openning line:
Do you like science?

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay,

I can work with that.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 10:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gloadie saves 7.6 runs with that play

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yet another piling on of STL update: Pujols now 0-4 with 3K's

...wonder how many times he’s done that in his career.

BUY LOW DAYTON!!! BUY LOW!!

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 25, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

carl crawfod is a power hitter now split?

in the same way that teahen is? 11 homers last year

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jul 25, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crawford is having his worst season

since his rookie year in terms of SLG right now.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Correction

since his first full year.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ugh, Banny has slowed this to a crawl

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grudz!

nice play!
bod play!

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Argh

I hate him, but he’s been awesome in this start.

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh i know.. im for a starting soria actually.

Im just saying, can’t really compare them strictly on that they both pitched in a teams bullpen at one time.

by cfizzle on Jul 25, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep...i just dont see the harm in trying it starting in about a week...

get him 8-10 starts and see what we have…if he gets bombed…he’s our closer next year….if hes good, we send him somewhere to throw some more innings after the season to build up his innings going into next year

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jul 25, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's just so hard

to imagine Soria ever getting “bombed.”

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by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Once again, can't get the third out

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by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woo, 2 error inning

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by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the best kind,

isn’t it?

(for the manufacturers of blood pressure meds)

by minda33 on Jul 25, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

and we have video evidence of DDJ’s lineout, so it DID happen twice.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 9:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Billy can't hit into a DP!

baby steps

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We are so getting no hit

In other funny news, Brad Lidge just gave up 6 runs without recording a single out.

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by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are so wrong!

Billy crush

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs