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Game 104 Open Thread - Rays (59-42) at Royals (46-57)

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Tampa Bay @ Kansas City


“It’s just the big innings that have killed me,” Bannister told the Royals’ official Web site.

And it's just my complete lack of talent and skill that's kept me in the lowest tax bracket as I approach 30. Bad luck!

Brian Bannister (5.49 ERA) versus Edwin Jackson (4.25 ERA) tonight at the K. After a string of rough starts, Bannister's ERA is now the highest it has been since he made his second start as a Royal, back on April 29th, 2007.

Editorial note: I'll be on the road tonight and in Washington this weekend, so, depending on how my schedule breaks down, the overflow threads and post-game posts may be nonexistent or late-coming. The game threads will be on schedule however.

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Who cares about RBI's, how many HDB's you got?

by kcscoliny on Jul 25, 2008 7:02 PM EDT   0 recs

Editorial note: I’ll be on the road tonight and in Washington this weekend, so, depending on how my schedule breaks down, the overflow threads and post-game posts may be nonexistent or late-coming. The game threads will be on schedule however.

This is total bullshit I don’t care what your wife roped you into you need to sit your silly ass down by the computer and create some fuckin threads. SACK UP MAN

Who cares about RBI's, how many HDB's you got?

by kcscoliny on Jul 25, 2008 7:06 PM EDT   0 recs

it's fiance and that makes all the difference in the world

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't worry

I’m sure between NY and me we’ll have the overflows covered.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh great

the nattering nabobs of negativism

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh snap

alliteration!

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

do you know who said that?

bonus points if you tell me who wrote it for the speaker

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess I'm ineligible

since you’ve used that line before in reference to me mentioning his name…

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wasn't it Spiro Agnew?

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yes, and the speech writer?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd have to cheat

So no bonus points for me.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hint: he was on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me two weeks ago

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Banny Bounces Back, Book it.

My mother's basement is better than YOUR mother's basement!!

by Royal Kingdom on Jul 25, 2008 7:41 PM EDT   0 recs

on yahoo says,

“nursing a sore back”...hes now turned into grudz!

by cfizzle on Jul 25, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he is even grittier?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

give hima years time

and you’ve got grudz 2.0.

by cfizzle on Jul 25, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh ok the "sore back" thing

least it’s not the painful “bone bruise” thanks for the update

by Chief Justice Kasey Royals on Jul 25, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

fact: bears eat beets!

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 7:59 PM EDT   0 recs

Ahaha

Of course, you can’t post Office pics without Pam… (glares at FVSL)

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

identity theft is not a joke!

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah

Now my day is complete. Thank you.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lineups!

A. Iwamura 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .274
B.J. Upton cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .269
C. Crawford lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .268
E. Longoria 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276
C. Pena 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .230
C. Floyd dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .252
D. Navarro c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .313
E. Hinske rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .255
J. Bartlett ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264
Totals

D. DeJesus lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .308
M. Aviles ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .312
M. Grudzielanek 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .305
J. Guillen rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .262
A. Gordon 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .251
B. Butler dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .253
R. Gload 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
J. Buck c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .252
M. Maier cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
Totals

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 25, 2008 8:01 PM EDT   0 recs

With all the broohaha about

Longoria and the pitching, it seems like people have missed the problems Tampa has had with their lineup. Upton’s power is down, Iwamura isn’t as big as a plus as they hoped, Crawford’s looked off all year, Pena has turned back into a pumpkin, Bartlett just got his SLG over .300…that’s not a lineup that should be set in stone down the stretch. They could use another bat.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I fully expect

Maier to go on a tear and claim the RF job down the stretch, OPSing .900. There, this way I won’t look silly on the .06% chance that actually happens. Damn you, Mike Aviles.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:08 PM EDT   0 recs

who then is in LF? CF?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Whoops

Sorry I believe I meant LF. We have a hoagy in right.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bannister throws some more 4 seamers down the middle

lead off baserunner, we’ve seen thsi game before

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:12 PM EDT   0 recs

that's ok

it’s all part of his plan to improve his pitching from the stretch.

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:14 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm not watching - why didn't they get a double play on Upton's grounder?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:20 PM EDT   0 recs

it was a nice play by Aviles just to field the ball. he fielded it directly behind 2nd base....

we had no chance at 2B….shouldn’t have had a play at 1b, but Upton loafed out of the box because he thiought it was going to get through for a single

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 25, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I'd be the best pitching coach ever

My strategy would be to go out to the mound, reeking of the hard alcohol in my hip flask, and to tell the struggling pitcher to “throw two straight pitches over the plate and a bendy one away from the **er with the bat.”

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:20 PM EDT   0 recs

Yes, fastball down the middle, good pitch to Longoria

Nice job banny

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Well, this is an improvement from the last start at least....

only one run. Thank goodness we had Gload at first base to catch those chest-high throws. He saved us at least 3 runs that inning.

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 25, 2008 8:23 PM EDT   0 recs

What's wrong with you?

He saved at least four! It was only his mental powers that kept Longoria from homering!

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Only 24 pitches in that inning baby!

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:24 PM EDT   0 recs

what are your guys' thoughts on bob gibson vs. pedro?

sorry for the random tangent but we’re having an argument here

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jul 25, 2008 8:26 PM EDT   0 recs

In terms of..?

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

better pitcher for career....

and to that, it started talking about best RHP ever

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jul 25, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

That’s a tough one. Pre-injury Pedro was the best pitcher I’ve ever seen.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Unbelievably good. I read somewhere that his BABIP that in his best year was also like .30 points above league average. Which means… he got unlucky. Did I read that on here?

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not sure

but Martinez in his prime…when he was on the mound for any given start, you’d ALWAYS feel like the team was going to win unless they fucked things up in the field behind him or got shut out. He was just a once-in-a-generation talent. Don’t forget how good a hitting era it was when he was in his prime, either, and he was an absolute buzzsaw.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, it's fun to go back and look at his game logs on BR

and just marvel at them

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nothing will ever top

the playoff game against Cleveland. Nothing. That was even more “heroic” than the bloody sock, IMO.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just incredible

he threw practically sidearm the entire appearance, too, because his shoulder was bothering him. Ridiculous.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wouldn't this be a great reality show?

Every week, you stage a mock trial: Gibson vs. Pedro, Montana vs. Brady, Evert vs. Martina, whatever. You get a jury composed of people with an open mind on the question, willing to be swayed either way. Call sportswriters and statheads and former players to “testify.”

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

fact: Bob Gibson is from Omaha, Pedro is not

therefore, Bob Gibson is better

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:28 PM EDT   0 recs

well, I still maintaing that Gibson was better

he dominated games

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Martinez did too

though. They were both pretty terrifying.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm old enough to remember seeing him pitch

and I was scared watching it on TV

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I love the sections on him

in October 1964. Ever read that one? It paints quite vivid a picture of how freaking good Gibson was.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I have not read that - I will look it up

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

For example:
If [Tim] McCarver came out to the mound to talk to him, it was only because [manager] Johnny Keane had ordered him to go out. “He’s pitching too quickly,” Keane would say, ordering McCarver to slow Gibson down. “He doesn’t want me to go out there,” McCarver would protest. “I’m running this goddamn club, not Gibson,” Keane would say, and McCarver would trudge out. He would still be five or six yards away from the mound when Gibson would wave him off; ‘What the hell are you doing out here? Get the hell back behind the plate where you belong. The only thing you know about pitching is that you can’t hit!”

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it's a David Halberstam book, by the way

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Now if we could just get Gibson to sit in the FOX booth

and keep telling him that…

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jul 25, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

whoops
”...The only thing you know pitching is that you can’t hit it!”

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

SALLAS... AUTO REPAIR

WE’RE ONE IN A MILLION
WHERE THE CUSTOMER’S NUMBER ONE
WE’RE DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE REST
PEOPLE COME FROM MILES AROUND

by BHWick on Jul 25, 2008 8:30 PM EDT   0 recs

how did that spammer get on here?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 25, 2008 8:30 PM EDT   0 recs

Now on the radio

“This is Radio Clash” (Brent Mayne’s old at-bat music), as the DJ team on KRBZ is apparently closing out with 50 minutes of the Clash before losing their jobs in Seattle and moving back to KC.

Oh yeah, a game is going on too

by BHWick on Jul 25, 2008 8:32 PM EDT   0 recs

Bannister looks pretty brutal thus far

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:34 PM EDT   0 recs

Yeah...

I’m hardly the most negative person when it comes to Bannister, but he needs to shake something in his approach up or…something, because he’s been looking like the league has him dead to rights.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 25, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Seems like he just doesn't have a plan anymore.

That, or any confidence in his plan. Just nibbling, now he’s throwing his four seamer more, guys are sitting on pitches away because he’s not pitching inside anymore – Hinske just reached out and whacked a change up into center. Not to mention he’s missing his spots, and just doesn’t have the control to pitch the way he’s trying to pitch. It’s really ugly.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jul 25, 2008 8:37 PM EDT