Trading Deadline Royal Rumors
I thought I would start a sort of "open thread" here for all the Thursday trading deadline scuttlebutt.
There already is one discussion going on regarding the rumored Brian Bannister for Melky Cabrera trade which came up on MLBtraderumors.com earlier today. I hate this idea and hope it is a bunch of nonsense.
Djk has some thoughts on who the Royals should shop vs. who they should hold on to. I pretty well agree with him across the board.
Another possiblity I saw today, the Marlins are shopping Cody Ross for relief help. As I understand it Ross is not a great outfielder but he can hit pretty well. Cube him here. In 747 MLB at bats he has hit .262/.325/.505. That gives him an OPS of .830, which would immediately make him the best offensive player on the Royals if he was obtained. Ross is only 27 and controllable for at least three more years. Perhaps Mahay for Ross?
Personally the guy I would most like to see the Royals trade for would be Jason Bay but it appears Pittsburg is asking for a lot in return. Perhaps Teahen plus one of the Royals pitching prospects at AA would swing this trade? If I were GM I would offer Teahen plus Julio Pimentel and see if the Pirates bite.
So, what do you think the Royals should do?
What crazy rumors have you seen regarding Royals on the move?
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I wish there were more Grudz rumors
It seems like just about everyone loves to ridicule ol’ Grudz, but he’s been a very good player for the Royals each year he’s been here, and this year is no different. But, his time has come and gone. He should not be a Royal next year and we can’t afford to risk offering him arbitration. So it’s either trade him now or get absolutely nothing for him. I wonder if anyone is interested. The Royals appear to be unlucky in that no contender really needs a second baseman.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 27, 2008 9:46 PM EDT
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part of my issues...
with grudz are that he shouldnt have been given an extension last year…
...that and all the awesome gidps and clutch two out nobody on hits
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 27, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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You've got to love his numbers
I think any argument which involves him not being “clutch” is pretty empty. I probably wouldn’t have re-signed him either, but he has contributed at a much higher level than German or Callaspo.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 27, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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it may just be unlucky....but he's been terrible this year with runners on base...
his pretty batting average is carried by a bunch of pretty worthless singles
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 27, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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I don't value his or any other player's pretty batting average
I do, however, value his .761 OPS from a middle IFer, which this year for the Royals means an OPS+ of 102.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 27, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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ehh...thats alright, not spectacular...
playing german every day wouldnt kill us..in fact, it might make us better
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 27, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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That's pretty damned good for a middle IFer
And German hasn’t been that good. I don’t know why you would think that German would make us better. German hasn’t hit as well as Grudz and Grudz is a much better defender. Even when German was hitting well, he was a part-time player, which meant he had a disproportionate percentage of PA’s against LHP. If he’s playing everyday, he doesn’t get the platoon advantage as much and his overall numbers would go down. Grudz > German
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 27, 2008 10:20 PM EDT
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737 and 779 isnt that big of a platoon split...
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 27, 2008 10:27 PM EDT
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We've battled about this before
and I’ll continue to. Where are you when Grudz goes 3-4 with 3 doubles and is the only player in the lineup that does anything? Because those games have happened a handful of times this season. In fact, just last week I was at the Tigers game where we faced Rogers. Grudz was 3-3 before the rain delay and I think the rest of the team had maybe 1 or 2 hits besides him. I could give a crap if they are singles or not. He is a 2nd baseman; getting on base, scoring runs, and playing solid defense is what most teams ask from their 2nd baseman…..he is not Chase Utley, those are few and far between….sorry he isn’t even your boy Robinson Cano either.
For the record, I agree with NYRoyal, I would definitely take a trade for Grudz, but you continuing to bash Grudz when he is one of the few position players we have who is above average at his position just makes no sense to me.
by I need more Esteban on
Jul 28, 2008 12:04 PM EDT
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It would still bring his OPS down 15ish points if he were an everyday player
Everyday players face 75% RHP and 25% LHP.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 28, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
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thats no guarantee...he might also perform at a higher levevl b/c he's getting regular playing time
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 28, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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I think his platoon splits are a stronger argument than that he'll feel more comfortable playing as a regular
Regardless, Grudz is and has been better than German, which was my point. There’s no good reason to think that having German replace Grudz wouldn’t be a drop in talent or even make the Royals better.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 28, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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I wouldn't give up significant talent for 1 1/3 seasons of Bay
...and risk him not re-signing with the Royals.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 27, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
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Does The Sign
And trade ever happen any more?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 27, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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If you sign a FA, I think you have to keep him for at least a few months before you can trade him
There’s a MLB rule on this. I don’t know the details. Sign-and-trades are more of a NBA thing because of the particulars of their soft salary cap.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 27, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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Jason bay would be pretty cool,
but i dunno if thats enough.. teahen doesn’t seem like hes worth THAT much but i think im most likely way off on everything im saying here, just think Jason bay would take more. Once again prolly waaaaay off here.
by cfizzle on
Jul 27, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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You're right
Bay would cost a ton.
If I had to guess, they’d want a young regular and either one excellent prospect or two very good prospects. Guess they’d ask for something like DeJesus + Rosa + Another good prospect. I don’t think that is worth it…
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by doublestix on
Jul 27, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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You have to take years of team control into account
After this season, Teahen has 2 years of team control and the pitching prospect would have 6. Bay has 1.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 27, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
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Cody Ross
Would LOVE to pick this guy up if it cost Mahay, or maybe even R. Ramirez. The guy hits for power in a big ballpark, get him out of that park and he could really be an excellent hitter. Ross is hitting .284/.339/.547 in away games, which is not surprising. He could replace G-Load in the lineup.
CF – D. DeJesus
2B – M. Grud/A. Callaspo
3B – A. Gordon (swap with Butler vs LHP)
RF – J. Guillen
LF – C. Ross
DH – B. Butler (swap with Gordon vs LHP)
SS – M. Aviles
1B – M. Teahen
C – J. Buck
Find a replacement for Teahen…and suddenly you have a pretty damn solid lineup.
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by doublestix on
Jul 27, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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Wayne Krivsky = Complete Baseball Idiot
Wayne Krivsky picked Cody Ross up off waivers last year. The Dodgers were trying to sneak him through. The Reds held on to Ross for all of two games before they sent him to Florida for cash. Wayne thought it was more important to hold on to a three catchers at the MLB level than keep Ross. Krivsky decided to keep journey man third catcher Chad Moeller and let Ross go.
It will take years before I will be able to see Krivsky’s name and not immediately be full of hot burning rage.
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by James Quinn on
Jul 27, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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LOL
So true.
Sometimes you wonder how certain people get where they are.
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by doublestix on
Jul 27, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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I would be more apt to trade for
Jacobs who they also say is available. KC is a combined 47 games below .500 vs RH pitching over the last three years. He would add some definite power to the 1b position that KC is lacking. His OBP numbers are down a scoach this year if he can bring that back to the last 2 years combined with this years power you would be looking at a 830 OPS. This would be a better move than relying on Shealy or Gload next year also would allow them to keep salaries down to go after Dunn/Burrell/Furcal.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on
Jul 27, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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What's Jacobs OBP?
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by doublestix on
Jul 27, 2008 10:17 PM EDT
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His numbers don't look as good as Ross's
Jacobs 109 .261/.316/.490 career (102 .239/.282/.490 this year)
Ross 113 OPS+ .260/.323/.499 career (112 .258/.308/.502 this year)
I’d definitely prefer Ross.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 27, 2008 10:28 PM EDT
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we're also like 90 games below 500 overall...
which means we’re just as far below 500 against lefties…and they constitute far less of the league…our hitting against lefties is miserable…in fact we cant hit against anyone
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 27, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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yes but
KC is improving vs lefties with the addition of Guillen/Butler/Aviles KC is 3 games over .500. All 3 hit lefties very well and if Aviles can hit close to the way he has this year I would think KC would continue the improvement next year. Especially if Butler progresses the way he has the second half of the season. Ross’s numbers are good but a pickup of him might mean a blocking of Dunn/Burrell. Of the available FA’s I would think KC’s chances of landing one of those two are slightly better than landing Texeira or Furcal. Unless Moore’s relationship within the Braves would help with Furcal.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on
Jul 27, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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gordon is helping us hit against lefties?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 27, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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id say he is THE major problem
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 27, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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I don't think Furcal is worth big bucks
Given his injury history. The Royals could probably play Grudz and Aviles in the middle infield in 2009 for less than half of what Furcal will make.
I’d rather see the Royals spend FA money on a slugger and a starting pitcher.
by jbrocato on
Jul 27, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
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? who said Gordon
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on
Jul 27, 2008 10:40 PM EDT
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ahh....my bad....misread guillen as gordon...
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 27, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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A lineup with Jacobs
DDJ-CF
Aviles-SS
Butler DH
Dunn RF
Guillen LF
Gordon 3b
Jacobs 1b
Buck C
Callaspo 2b
This wouldn’t be the rangiest OF so that might present troubles but would definitely provide alot of power
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on
Jul 27, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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Dunn
Why couldn’t we just move Dunn to 1B and get some actual power out of that spot? 40 hrs?
by 306008 on
Jul 28, 2008 12:51 AM EDT
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Maybe
When negotiating with Dunn, a team is going to have to ask his agent what position(s) he wants to play. He may only be interested in playing the OF. If so, he’s not going to sign with the Royals if they are going to move him to 1B. And the Royals would be stupid to lie to him to get him to sign and then move him to 1B. That would create clubhouse problems and other players would learn of this, poisoning FA’s against the Royals for the future (even moreso than they are right now). And, we don’t yet know if we’ll be able to get Dunn at all. For all we know, someone is going to throw a huge contract offer at him that the Royals can’t/shouldn’t match.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 28, 2008 12:56 AM EDT
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I'm beginning to think
The Royals may actually have a shot at Dunn now. There appears to be no interest in him at the deadline, despite his OBA and power numbers. That low average and high strikeouts seem to scare teams away (as well as possibly his attitude). I’m thinking the market for him may be smaller than I thought, which means we could get a real steal if we pursue him hard enough.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 28, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
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i've never heard of anything bad about Dunn's attitude.
I actually met him once at a reds game, just said hi smiled and signed my baseball. But all i ever here from him is he is just a good ol’ boy. The guy you’d want your daughter to marry.. sooooo mike sweeney just more power?
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Jul 28, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
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Regarding Dunn's attitude
I think everyone finds Dunn a good guy. But there have been rumors for a few years that he doesn’t care as much as might be desired about things like improving his defense and physical conditioning. He is certainly not a trouble maker. He dealt with some real horseshit from Krivsky for two years without killing the man. Krivsky ran down Dunn publically for two years and Dunn’s only reaction were a few off-handed comments to reporters like, “He doesn’t know what he is talking about.”
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by James Quinn on
Jul 28, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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Attitude problem from Dunn?
That I hadn’t heard about. I know he was a bit POed at J.P. Riccardi, but that hardly means someone has a bad attitude.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 28, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
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There is a perception around the league
Real or perceived, that he is lazy.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 28, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
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Wow
I hate to pitch against a non-lazy Dunn, then.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 28, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
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*I'd
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 28, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
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Wait 'til Hoagy lights a fire under his ass!
My mother's basement is better than YOUR mother's basement!!
by Royal Kingdom on
Jul 28, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
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...and gets squashed when
the 7’6”, 400-pound Dunn sits on him?
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 28, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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Cincinnati tried Dunn out at first for about 40 games in 2006.
He played first poorly. The Reds moved him back to LF.
I have no idea what Dunn thought about the move or if he could get better at first given time.
Dunn would help the Royals out tremendously. If he is open minded about coming to play in KC the Royals should just let him pick his spot. LF/1B or DH. Just get that guy’s bat into the line-up.
I really want the Royals to either move Butler to first base or bring up Shealy.
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by James Quinn on
Jul 28, 2008 10:59 AM EDT
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Grudz
I’d like to see him gone anywhere for a A ball player with some upside rather than say, Brett Gardner or somebody like that who can’t hit his way out of a paperbag. It’s Callaspo time, cheap 2B time, young 2B time, speedy 2B time, upside 2B time. Our SS problem…play Aviles until he suck, which will happen
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Jul 28, 2008 2:17 AM EDT
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Right now, nobody knows what Callaspo's future is
He may have been the 2B of the future, but his impersonating Tony LaRussa right before the Cardinals came to town has damaged his career. I would not trade Grudz for the sake of making a trade; that’s how the Royals got stuck with players like Tyler Lumsden or Kyle Davies.
by jbrocato on
Jul 28, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
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and dan cortes...
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 28, 2008 10:38 AM EDT
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Seen how Kyle Davies has pitched this year, jbrocato?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 28, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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unsustainable.
But still, getting a cheap young guy is better than letting somebody walk.
by playingwithfire on
Jul 28, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
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Yes, him pitching like a pretty good #3 SP is very likely unsustainable
But how far will he regress? To the level of a #4? Maybe? To the level of a better than average #5 SP? Likely. Getting a better than average #5 SP for the last two months of Dotel is a good trade. And next year, he’ll likely be a long reliever with Rosa as the #5 SP. And I think Davies will make a pretty good long reliever who can make some decent spot starts when necessary.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 28, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
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agreed
I never understand the obsession with writing Davies off. Yes, he has looked bad more than not, he’s also shown flashes of a good pitcher. Has no young pitcher ever improved after the age of 25?
In 2000, when Chris Carpenter was 25 he pitched 175.1 Innings, gave up 204 H, K/BB ratio of 113/83 with an ERA of 6.26. After that season, besides an injury shortened season, he improved each year as he got older. Will Kyle Davies be like Chris Carpenter? Chances are high he won’t, but is it possible. And I think we can all be optimistic that he is still a young pitcher who is getting MLB experience. Like NYRoyal said, he could be a pretty good long reliever/ spot starter. But there is always the possibility he becomes more. None of us know.
by I need more Esteban on
Jul 28, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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I wouldn't be shocked if Davies/Rosa both beat out Banni next year.
Banni is TOO Stat obsessed. Its almost like it he is making excuses for getting shelled. See I didn’t pitch that bad I just had bad luck. I’m sure that was Tomko’s excuse too. I wish instead of reading articles about Banni looking at stats I was reading articles about Banni’s obsession with game tape ala Maddux.
Banni has produced more than Davies but Davies has the better stuff and wouldn’t be shocked to see Davies and Rosa beat Brian out of spot in the rotation.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
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Jul 28, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
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I would be shocked
Bannister has performed much better in the majors than Davies. But we’ll see what happens.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 28, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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Davies looks like one of those guys who will either
get it and be good, or not get it and be Chris George. I don’t see a middle ground.
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Jul 28, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
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I think he has improved to the point where he's a legitimate, average #4 or #5 SP (more likely #5 SP or good long reliever)
He just needed to improve his control some and he has.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 28, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
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Uh, Lumsden sucks, true
but Davies has been a fine return for Dotel…who people seem to forget pitched all of 24 innings as a Royal.
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Jul 28, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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and got hurt the second he went to Atlanta
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
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Jul 28, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
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I have to correct one thing
I, too, thought that Callaspo had some speed earlier this year but I’m pretty sure he has below average speed….better than Grudz? Probably, but he is by no means a double-digit steals candidate.
by I need more Esteban on
Jul 28, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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I don't see us doing a thing
We don’t have the parts and there aren’t really players available that would help us long term. It seems to be mostly impending free agents and players down on their luck (Anthony Reyes, Melky Cabrera) that are available.
As I’ve said before, I expect DM to be pretty active this winter.
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Jul 28, 2008 9:36 AM EDT
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+1
and like some have said, I really hope he doesn’t make a trade just to do it. The cupboard out there is pretty bare right now. Mahay could bring back something interesting, but is he more valuable to us for another year?
by I need more Esteban on
Jul 28, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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Given that we won't get compensation for Grudz...
...I would like to trade Grudz for something…anything. I’d happily take a C prospect for him. That’s better than nothing. Plus, it would give German more playing time so he can get his numbers up and make him more attractive for an offseason trade.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 28, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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We could also save some cash by trading Grudz.
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Jul 28, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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Yes that's another benefit
But even if a team who has some interest in him wants us to kick in the remainder of his salary, I’d do it if we could get a C prospect for him.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Jul 28, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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Mahay
We need to keep Mahay at least through this season. If someone blows us away with a great offer this winter or next year at the deadline, take it. We’ll be in the same spot unless we do have an aggressive winter.
Making trades to make trades isn’t great. Neither is signing FA just to sign FA. I still think Melky will be great by the time he turns 27. Better than what we have now in our OF. (excluding Guillen, but possible)
We need to move Grudz unless he becomes a type B FA. Will that happen?
We need to put TPJ in the pen, give Brayan a shot, and see what Maier has for us.
What we have on our team is a bunch of complimentary players. We have no one for them to compliment! Get some people in here that need complimenting and we’ll be fine.
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Jul 28, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
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Agreed on Mahay
Nothing wrong with dealing him next July. Look at how many suitors there are for two months of Brian Fuentes. Mahay is better, although without the “Proven Closer” tag.
My only worry is the volatility of reliever performance from year to year. But Mahay has been pretty solid the last few years, I think the chances of collapse are quite low.
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Jul 28, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
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I've always liked Cody Ross
but are the Marlins really interested in shopping him for a reliever? I guess they think they’re close enough to contention that that makes sense. It doesn’t.
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Jul 28, 2008 12:33 PM EDT
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They are in both the NL East and Wildcard races
who knows, though. It seems like they have a lot of guys like Ross too. I think they would definitely want a pretty good reliever for him, though.
by I need more Esteban on
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What are the Pirates asking for in exchange for Jason Bay?
The Pirates apparently turned down an Atlanta offer for Jason Bay. Looks like the Braves offered a couple of Bish prospects (OF and SS) and a couple of low level minor leaguers. The Pirates turned them down.
The Atlanta offer was not too fabulous. Since Pittsburg thought about it…. I think the Royals have enough pitching currancy to get this deal done. I hope Dayton Moore is involved in these talks.
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Jul 28, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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John Sickels on what the two prospects the Braves offered.
3) Brandon Jones, OF, Grade B+
.257/.331/.382 for Triple-A Richmond, has actually been a bit better in the majors at .278/.316/.463. I probably overrated him by a notch but he should still be a useful player.
6) Brent Lillibridge, SS, Grade B
.212/.276/.288 in Triple-A, .208/.236/.358 in the majors. Really struggling with the strike zone this year, despite doing well in Triple-A last year. Perhaps he is frustrated.
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Jul 28, 2008 4:15 PM EDT
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I don't think
The Royals should be looking to acquire anyone who is a free agent after next season.
Unless you were talking about getting Lillibridge.
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Jul 28, 2008 5:20 PM EDT
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Saw that Chase Utley has a potential hip injury
any chance that Grudz or German could go to the Phillies?
by daveyork on
Jul 28, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
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If they realize pretty quickly that the injury is serious
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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A new Olivo Rumor
I just read that the Jays are interested in Olivo while the Marlins are interested in Zaun from the Jays… perhaps a little threeway deal where we give up Olivo and get a prospect from the Jays AND the Marlins.
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Royals and Marlins, a match made in heaven?
Since the Marlins want what the Royals have, a catcher and a reliever, it seems to me that some deal can be made here. I don’t know how the Marlins would feel about bringing back Olivo, but the linked MLBTR story indicates something might be in the works, perhaps a three way deal with Toronto in the mix.
Here are a few prospects in the Marlins system which I would love to see the Royals acquire. I focused on power hitting prosects here as that is my obsession at this point.
Cameron Maybin – He was the top prospect in the Marlins system before this season. 21 year old outfielder. Not hitting for great power yet (.480 MiLB slugging) but he is only 21 and at AA.
Logan Morrison – Not nearly as well regarded at Maybin. First baseman at high-A. Unlike Maybin he is already driving the ball out of the park. He hit 24 homeruns in low-A last year.
Dallas McPherson still exists and is having a huge year at AAA. Take a look! Hmmm.
Tag Bozied is a 28 year old first baseman at AAA but he has hit 42 homeruns there over the last season and a half. He probably is not as good as Shealy ….
And yeah, what the hell is up with the Royals ignoring Shealy! Does anyone have a read on this? Shealy is having a great year at Omaha. I wish Trey Hillman would notice that Gload is having a terrible year. Anyone having a year that bad has to be hurt. Maybe Gload needs a little DL time? Hint Hint.
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We’d have to get some pitching prospect out of them too…. what do they have there?
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I'm sick of pitching prospects now.
I just want to see some young guys brought in who can hit.
I know, I know, I’m short-sighted. But damn am I sick of seeing line-ups with Grudz hitting in the top five and Jose Gillen being the “big threat.”
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id absolutely love it if we could get mcpherson for olivo
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Maybin
Would pretty much be off limits I would think.
McPherson is interesting, although we could have had him for free last winter!
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I'd rather get a real prospect
then a guy like McPherson, who has been at AAA long enough where it looks likely that he’s just a AAAA guy.
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True
But I’m not expecting much of a haul for Olivo.
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Good point
I’m saying, though, that I’d rather take some kid who’s hitting pretty well at A+ Ball than a AAA slugger with no real upside.
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Dallas McPherson
has never really been given a full shot. Just the same over three years he has cobbled together 360 MLB at bats and his numbers are not horrible at all:
.247/.294/.461/.755
He does strike out like it is his personal mission in life.
I think low end MLB expectations for him at this point are Jack Cust like numbers. The Royals could use such a player. Especially at MLB minimum for another couple of years.
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a .294 OBP is pretty horrible from
a player whose bat is clearly supposed to carry him. And that K-Rate looks like it’s always going to keep his average down at the ML level.
What exactly do you mean by “low end MLB expectations” are Jack Cust like numbers? Are you saying you think he has a good chance to hit like Cust? He’d need a lot more patience to do that.
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Yeah, my guess is that at minimum he would hit as well as Cust.
Maybe I’m wrong. ... Nah, I’m never wrong.
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Oh, .294 OBP, better than the Royals current "clean-up" hitter
If he slugs around .500 I can live with a .300 OBP just fine.
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I'm aware that a .294 OBP,
assuming Dallas could still post it, would be better than Guillen’s. I’m not exactly thrilled with Jose right now, I must say. I just really don’t know if this team needs another low-OBP guy in the middle of the line-up…and that assumes McPherson’s power would translate to a good SLG…which I’m not convinced it would.
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I think Dallas McPherson
would be incredibly lucky to ever match Cust’s current OBP over a full year.
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Jul 29, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
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Or over a full month
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Anyone can post a .368 OBP for a month
Probably even Freddie Bynum. :P
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Probably not his OBP, but maybe his OPS.
And I am reasonably sure McPherson would be more productive than Gload.
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A vacuum cleaner
with a bat tied to it would be more productive than Gload… and just as good defensively, too, as long as someone would remember to bring it an extension cord in the field.
I was just saying that comparing Cust’s OPS to McPherson’s potential is a bit vague when you’re saying that one player has a very good OBP and low SLG but the other would have a low OBP and a high SLG. It’s why OPS isn’t a great stat beyond quick hits.
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I'm not particularly moved by 27-year-old breakout seasons in the PCL's most hitter friendly park
I’d much rather trade for a real prospect than a likely AAAA player who is probably already at his peak. “Better than Gload” isn’t good enough for any first baseman. You’re better than Gload. I’m better than Gload. My cat is better than Gload.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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His break out year was in 2003.
Since then he has had four more great years. His bat is no fluke. It is very clear the guy can hit.
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He might be having his Craig Brazell season
I think his agent should be talking to Japanese teams.
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Jul 29, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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I don't think you have looked at his career numbers.
He is not having a breakout year. He is not even having an abnormally good year. He has been this good for five years now.
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He had back issues for awhile too
I don’t think he’s a bet to be great, but a guy who puts up numbers like that in AAA warrants taking a peak at, particularly if your current options aren’t much better.
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Well sure
but given that we’ve already got Kila Kaaihue (did I butcher that?) being promoted to AAA and Shealy hitting reasonably well at AAA right now, shouldn’t we sample those guys before we use a trading chip to acquire someone who probably hits a lot like either of them?
I’d much rather bring an actual position player prospect into the organization, what with how few we have, than try to make McPherson work.
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+1 here
Shealy over McPherson. But for some unknowable reason the Royals seem to be giving Shealy the Huber treatment.
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I really hope the Royals
give him one more shot. If they’re judging him on last year…that’s annoying, because he was hurt for who knows how long when he was “Swing And A Miss” Shealy.
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by NHZ on
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he wasnt very good the year before when we got him either
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He had a 788 OPS
which would be handily above anything we’ve got out of a corner position this year.
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better than awful doesnt mean good...
he needs to come up here to get ABs…just b/c…but he’s going to suck again…he’s 28 and not putting up great numbers in the PCL. We have to sign a bat this offseason.
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I agree that we need to sign a bat
but I’ll reserve judgment on saying whether Shealy completely sucks or not. It seems to me he has a much better chance at producing than Gload…so why not bring him up?
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ive been on that bandwagon since day 1....
gload shouldnt ever see regular ABs…
by the way…why wasnt there a big fuss when gload said ‘i dont wanna play OF im a 1B’ in the spring…but it was a huge deal when olivo and jose said basically the same things?
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Because Ross is white?
And gritty? And really bad? Yeah, actually, it’s probably the third.
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by NHZ on
Jul 29, 2008 1:18 PM EDT
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im white and i hate it when the race card is pulled for EVERYTHING...
but this almost does seem like one of those things
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I really don't know
I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that Gload stinks.
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Jul 29, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
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that makes it worse in my mind...
he’s a AAA player whos telling us what HE wants to do…rather than being the big FA signing whos making a bunch of money and has been a good mlb ballplayer telling us where he wants to play
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Jul 29, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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You are overreacting to a player expressing his position preference
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Why wasn't it a big deal?
Because nobody wants him to play OF. He’s a horrible OFer. It’s like if he said he didn’t want to pitch.
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That's why I said
“And really bad?”
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shealy over mcpherson?
why?
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Shealy is an above average first baseman defensively,
His minor league numbers, .401 OBP, .575 Slugging. He should be a very good MLB batter. Even though he is in AAA purgetory now his MLB career line is not horrible: .267/.332/.402. I have no idea why the Royals seem to have written him off this year.
Take away a few horrible months last year and the guy looks like a tremendous power hitting prospect who can handle first base duties very well.
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thats a very gloadesque line....
he’s never been a tremendous power hitting prospect…he put up decent home run numbers playing in colorado springs and albequerque and the like…he hit 7 in 200 ABs for us…not impressive…and definitely not tremendous….im more impressed with what kila is doing this year than with anything shealy has done his entire career
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Well, maybe a line similar to the Good Gload,
not the 2008 version.
Shealy looks like a 20 home run guy to me. If he can keep his OBP around .350 and play good defense he would be the best first baseman the Royals have had since… Oh hell, I don’t know. I’ve only been around for four years. OH Mike Sweeney!
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Because of the reasons JQ already stated
and because you don’t go out of your way to acquire a player like McPherson when you already have guys like Shealy and Kaaihue in the organization.
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Jul 29, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
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Power hitting AAA infield prospects, the new currency of baseball
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http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/marlins_catching_attention.html
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Red Sox interested in Mahay
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We better not hear the name Coco Crisp mentioned.
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Interesting
who do the Sox have to offer?
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Plenty
but it’s hard to tell exactly what Moore would ask for Mahay at this point.
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Could we land SS Jed Lowrie?
He seems like a nice haul, but I don’t know if the Sox want to hang onto him and dump Lugo.
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I think the timing for that
might be off. Before Lugo got hurt, I’d have speculated that some team had a chance (not a huge one) to land Lowrie in a deadline deal. Now that he’s playing in place of Lugo and it looks like he could well be the better player right now I’m skeptical that the Sox would let him go.
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Jul 29, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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you really think lowrie was a reasonable alternative before lugo went down?
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A reasonable alternative before for what?
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I suck at typing today.
A reasonable alternative for what? For the Sox? For the Royals?
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lowrie for mahay...before lugo went down...
surely we’d have had to throw something in
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Probably
that’s why I said there was a chance, but not a huge one.
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id be all for that....
im still in the Hu or Wood camp though…both LA teams seem sick of them….i mean…nomar’s playing short for god’s sake…and they traded for angel…
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Mahay
to the Phillies is close to being done.
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for what?
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link?
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Stark says Phillies SS prospect Jason Donald
I like the looks of this prospect. C+ prospect going into the season and he’s had nearly a .900 OPS in his first AA season. He’s 23.
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is it possible to get him off the olympic team to see what he can do for us?
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he looks really solid...
a little bit old for his league…but he’s put up good numbers his entire milb career…doesnt seem hacktastic…which in itself will make me happy
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College player that they brought along slowly, even though he hit very well at every minor league level
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Jul 29, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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He is almost
24 but like the previous post he wasn’t drafted until 2006 out of college.
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He looks good enough to me!
God I would have drooled over him back in April. Now that Avilies is doing so well he seems a bit less awesome.
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We can't count on either or both of Aviles and Callaspo as successful middle IFers going forward
It would be really good to have another good young player to increase the chances that we have two good major leaguers for the middle IF going forward.
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+1
Plus Donald can be kept down at Omaha next year. No rush with him.
I lean towards liking this trade.
I guess this means that Peralta comes back up.
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I may be premature on almost being done….but i am hoping.
Mahay going to Phillies?
Tuesday, July 29, 2008 | Print Entry
Posted by Jayson Stark
Left-handed reliever Ron Mahay could be on the verge of heading to the Phillies.
According to clubs that have been speaking with the Royals, they’ve been having extensive conversations with the Phillies about a trade that would send Mahay to Philadelphia for shortstop prospect Jason Donald, a member of the U.S. Olympic baseball team.
It’s believed that as many as 10 teams have contacted the Royals about Mahay, who is signed for next year at $4 million. Most of them have come away with the impression that the Royals aren’t motivated to trade him. But in Donald, the Phillies have a commodity for which Kansas City has been searching aggressively. So the fit appears better with the Phillies than with any of the other teams on the Royals’ list.
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If anything, this will push other teams to throw more at us if they are serious about Mahay…..
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SS
is a position this organization needs badly…i would move him to the majors now and keep Aviles at 2B and maybe we could get a lower-tier prospect for a solid playoff vet like grudz
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Move him to the majors now???
No way. He’s only 23 and he hasn’t even completed one full season at AA. There’s no reason to rush him. I would start him next year in Omaha.
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yeah...probably the best bet...unless somehow we could get him a full month in AAA this year and he'd happen to tear it up...
and do the same in the spring….no reason to rush him…not like were going to compete next year….and not like aviles is KILLING us
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No way should we promote him now
we should let him earn his promotion. With Aviles to cover short right now, there’s no rush.
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Players
skip AAA all the time…..let him learn now. He isn’t a high school kid…he played college ball. Just my opinion.
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the guys that do that generally are putting up otherworldly numbers
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and have otherworldly pedigrees...
or just have stupid GMs
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Back in the Baird era
the Royals frequently had players skip Omaha, and I think it normally turned out badly. Look back over Gordon’s first year. And Nunez. And Costa. A lot of guys were rushed and I think it probably hurt them more than it helped the major league club.
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I don't care where he goes....just get him
in the system. Mahay is 38 and doesn’t fit in our long term plans.
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That's fine
if he goes to AAA…..i just want to make the deal and get him in our system.
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Mahay for Donald
Maybe we can get a throw-in too. I’m getting greedy.
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i wouldnt mind a cortes like throw in...as long as donald doesnt turn out like lumsden
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I would still make the MacDougal for Lumsden deal…. this deal is interesting to me. Is it going to be? I hope we get a throw in as well. Someone that is at Lakeland or Williamsport. Just get a LHP that is real young and doesn’t project into Philis long term plans. They sign guys all the time as roster fillers who are decent. Happened to a buddy of mine and they cut him the next year.
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I doubt that
we will get another player in the deal but you never know. MacDougal is horrible and we got 2 potential starters in Cortes and Lumsden. I know Lumsden is struggling but pitchers like Gavin Floyd and John Danks were supposed to be very good,but went through hard times and now are both dealing for the Sox.
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theres struggling and then theres lumsden...
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I actually wouldn't mind trading
Bannister if we can get something for him….i think Rosa projects better than Banny. I would like to see Greinke, Meche, Rosa, Hochevar, Davies with the possibility of Cortes eventually there.
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Donald might end up at 2B
because he has limited range at SS according to ESPN.
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Now Stark is
saying they are “not close’, but that is what ths time of year is all about. I bet we do end up moving Mahay somewhere though.
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Rangers have inquired about Grenkie
The Rangers inquired on three pitchers recently: Zack Greinke of the Royals, Boof Bonser of the Twins, and Nick Masset of the White Sox. Greinke would be near-impossible to pry loose, though Chris Davis would be an interesting offer.
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by James Quinn on
Jul 30, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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I don't think they are willing to give what it would take to get Greinke
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 30, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
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Possible big trade? Also news on a few former Royals
It appears there is a possiblity that the Marlins, Red Sox and Pirates might do a threesome. The principles being Jason Bay to the Sawks, Manny Ramirez to the Fish and Jeremy Hermida to the Bucs. Link to the scuttlebutt here.
Also, Chip Ambres was DFAed this week by San Diego, and Fat Elvis was “optioned” to AAA by the Astros. Since Hernandez is out of options I guess this means the Royals can claim him? Hmmmm?
There are two other former Royals doing pretty well this year. Joe Nelson has become a key part of the Marlins bullpen. Doug Mientkiewicz is having a better year than Gload. .284/.388/.372. Yeah, Gload makes me miss Dougie. Wow.
In all seriousness, Nelson and Mientkiewicz are real grinders and I couldn’t be happier for them.
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by James Quinn on
Jul 30, 2008 8:50 PM EDT
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