Catching Up and Heading Towards the Deadline
I spent the weekend on the road and in the car, and aside from a few desultory employments of my phone for score checking, was decidedly disconnected from the Royals for three days. Sure, by the time I feel asleep each night I had learned if the Royals had defeated the Rays or not that day, but information beyond that was not easily available. In a way, aside from the cell phone utility, it reminded me of being a kid again: basically I was dependent of the ESPN crawler at the bottom of the screen, good timing on hearing scores get read on the radio and interpreting the twenty-second highlight (2.5 plays) of the game on Sportscenter/Baseball Tonight. Essentially, my knowledge of the weekend series boiled down to this: there were some rain delays, I think Carl Crawford hit a triple at some point that scored runs, and yesterday Billy Butler hit the foul pole. I also remember hearing Aviles named as one of the players with a homer, but as I am part of the Aviles Nation, this may or may not be representative.
Of course, should I be asked to do so, I could give a twenty minute explanation of the Brett Favre situation or the current status of Yankees-Red Sox, as well as a fifteen minute talk on the week the Mets have had.
- Late last night and earlier this morning, my master plan was to do a big post on which Royals might get traded, and sometime later this week that may happen. Honestly however, the post was a nonstarter because I kept coming back to the same issue: there actually aren't many guys likely to go. The Major League roster at the moment has, in trade terms, a clear set of untouchables -- although this isn't quite the right word -- such as Soria, Gordon and Butler, who aren't going anywhere. Below them, there's another large pool of the team's attractive players who are lacking either the first group's upside potential and or favorable contract status that make them truly untouchable. Call them "mostly untouchable" I suppose. In that category you've got Greinke, DeJesus, Meche and Guillen. While lots of teams may want those guys, aside from Guillen, it would be a truly bold gesture for Moore to part with one of those fellas. Just below that tier -- you can see why this would have been a fairly terrible post -- are the guys in the sweet spot, players who are both likely to be coveted and are expendable for age or role or contract reasons. These are the actual players who might be traded in most normal scenarios: Grudzielanek, Mahay, Nunez, Tejeda, and Ramon & Horacio Ramirez. Beyond those six mostly spare parts you have the trio of Teahen, Buck and Olivo. Teahen hasn't been good enough for someone to want him really, but he can play a variety of positions passably and someone may try to add him as a late C-level type of acquisition. Hey, someone wanted Affeldt once too. I also have a sneaking suspicion that either Buck or Olivo may be traded as well. So, all told, you have a pool of something like eight to ten guys, depending on your personal preferences, in which, something like three or four will actually be traded. Maybe, maybe you could throw Gathright into the mix for a team looking for an Endy Chavez vibe, but the Royals likely killed that by actually playing Gathright a lot and exposing him as inadequate. Oh, and he's sorta injured or whatever. No one is trading for Ross Gload, Esteban German, Kyle Davies and the like. We'll have plenty of time to talk more about all these matters of course...
- Speaking of trade talk, remember, before posting something, check to see if there isn't already an entry specifically about that player/topic/rumor.
- It is very nice to see Billy Butler heat up like this. You can break Billy's season down in all sorts of ways, but roughly you have this: pre-demotion he hit .263/.330/.339 in 206 PAs, post-demotion-to-ASB he struggled to a .191/.224/.298 line in 49 PAs and since the ASB he's hit .314/.385/.686 in 39 trips to the plate.
- Jose Guillen's OPS peaked at .817 on June 17th, when he was hitting .291/.312/.505. Since then, he's completely cratered, hitting .184/.225/.281, over his last 120 PAs while ensconced in the middle of the lineup. Thanks to just 10 walks drawn all season, his OBP is a measly .286.
- The Buck/Olivo catching tandem. Redundant or double tasty? One has an OPS+ of 89, the other, 92. Can Buck stay above .250 in batting average this season? His career high is .245... a nation watches nervously.
- Seriously Teahen, what the hell man? .285 with middling power and decent patience is one thing, but .248 really kills the formula. Ask Joey Gathright (actually, Gathright has so little power that there is no formula). Sure, bad batting average stretches or seasons will happen, but this is getting bad. In his last 113 PAs, Teahen is hitting .210/.257/.333. Indubitably, those two games he hit leadoff are surely to blame. Indubitably.
- Ron Mahay is a rough Zack Greinke start away from leading team pitchers in VORP. Mahay's 20.1 VORP currently ranks above Soria's 18.8 total, as well as Meche's 17.0.
- Although I gave him love earlier today in a fanshot, Tejeda's been merely a replacement level pitcher according to VORP. Then again, a generic starter with control problems but some interesting stuff is essentially the prototype for an average reliever, isn't it?
- At 20,346 fans per game, the Royals are 28th in baseball in raw attendance. The 2007 average was 19.961 and in 2006 it was 17,158.
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Speaking of trade talk, remember, before posting something, check to see if there isn't already an entry specifically about that player/topic/rumor.
And please, when posting a rumor, post the rumor in the headline! “Please No!” could mean a number of things from “Hillman Believes Pena Should Start Over Aviles” to “Royals Considering Extension for Ross Gload” to “Royals Sign Michael Tucker”
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 28, 2008 4:40 PM EDT 0 recs
Tucker
Maybe third time’s the charm?
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by cmkeller on
Jul 28, 2008 4:43 PM EDT
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Yes, I do prefer meaningful headlines
Such as “Yankees interested in Bannister?”
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 28, 2008 4:45 PM EDT
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or "Banny for Melky?" - I got your back Retro.
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by Royal Kingdom on
Jul 28, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
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butler is closing in on something like 600 PAs at the big league level already
which is pretty amazing…
doesn’t seem like that many
just wanted to add that
by royalsreview on Jul 28, 2008 4:47 PM EDT 0 recs
And its not that bad
Considering its his age 21-22 season:
.276/.335/.415 14 HR 85 RBI 37 2B 2 3B 52 BB 89 K 96 OPS+
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 28, 2008 5:16 PM EDT
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Something that might be of interest
is trading Teahen to the the Mets for their outfielder shortage. What they have that we would want I’m not sure (Heilman and a C Prospect)? We need an outfielder or two for next year. I think Teahen would make an excellent 4 corner reserve player for a playoff team or for the Royals down the line if they hang on to him.
I think it will be a quiet trade deadline, if anyone is moved it will be Olivo or Grudz. Other than that I would be very surprised to see a move.
Butler has been amazing lately, I am so glad that he is hitting for power 4 home runs since the all star break is great.
by lordbyronk on Jul 28, 2008 5:05 PM EDT 0 recs
I like the thought
But I had read the Mets aren’t that interested in dealing for an OF. But I would make that trade if I’m the Royals.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jul 28, 2008 5:16 PM EDT
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This one is for YOU NYRoyal
Thinking about Bill and his glorious return from Nebraskan Exile, I remember another young ballplayer sent down to Omaha who came back with such power that the Royals Nation thought The Savior had arrived.
2006 seems so long ago for C-level tradebait Mark Teahen, doesn’t it?
. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche
by vegasroyals on Jul 28, 2008 5:10 PM EDT 0 recs
Teahen isn't C-level tradebait
Does anyone really think that a 100ish OPS+ player who can play LF, RF, 3B, 1B who is a great baserunner is only worthy of some mediocre prospects?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 28, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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What do you think Brandon Inge is worth?
He and Teahen are eerily similar.
At the end of the day, both are guys that are probably gonna get trotted out there 60-80 times on a contender, and everytime the fans would rather have someone else.
At this point Teahen is a bench player. He hits well for a middle infielder, but is severely lacking for the corner positions.
So yes, If we could get 2 guys from AA with some upside. I’d take it for Teahen at this point.
At the same time, I can’t help but think that if we are contenders next year or in 2010 then we will need a guy like teahen to patch up the lineup on occasion
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by RoyalPug on
Jul 28, 2008 5:26 PM EDT
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They aren't eerily similar
They can both play a lot of positions. Teahen’s career OPS+ is 98. Inge’s is 85. Teahen is 27. Inge is 31. Teahen has arb. eligible for the next two years. Inge gets $12.9M over the next two years.
So yes, If we could get 2 guys from AA with some upside. I’d take it for Teahen at this point.
I can’t agree or disagree with that because “2 guys from AA with some upside” covers a wide range from great prospects down to borderline prospects. I’d take a couple great prospects for him. I wouldn’t take a couple mediocre prospects who just have “some upside” for him. That would be ignoring his market value and essentially giving him away.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 28, 2008 5:32 PM EDT
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aside from the 3B angle, there are lots of guys who can play the other 3 corners
and who hit better than teahen
by royalsreview on
Jul 28, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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Even if he couldn't play 3B, he's still be worth more than some mediocre AA prospects
The fact that he can play 3B makes him even more valuable.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 28, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
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Attendance
Interesting we’re pretty close in attendance to contending teams Oakland, Florida and Tampa Bay. Of course, they all have awful stadiums. But then again, the K isn’t looking too pretty during these renovations.
What kind of attendance bump do you think we’ll expect next year with the renovations? I wouldn’t expect too much, but I wonder if they’ll try to couple that with a big free agent signing like Dunn.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 28, 2008 5:18 PM EDT 0 recs
I've been to three games this year already,
all weekend games, all good crowds. Over 25,000 each night. The attendance will probably decline from here forward as the scorching heat drives people out of Kauffman insane and muttering.
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by James Quinn on
Jul 28, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
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no kidding
I could give a twenty minute explanation of the Brett Favre situation
I had to do a bit of house repairs this weekend and ESPN radio is downright unlistenable (word?), infuriating. Saturday, it was Brett Favre all day long (last saturday too, actually). Yesterday, on the baseball show with Freddie Coleman it was all about Manny’s comments.
Am I the only one who heard Manny and thought, “Well, clearly he plays baseball for a living and has no problem seeing it for what it is, a business.” Why can’t ESPN do the same? Is it just full of people who grew up watching the yanks in the 50s and can’t get it out of their heads that players can love playing and still be practical when it comes to the business.
I was always indifferent/amused by Manny, but now he’s one of my favorite. I bet the Sox we’re having a good laugh in the locker room over how the media responded to his comments.
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by gordonfan on Jul 28, 2008 5:22 PM EDT 0 recs
yes - the only ESPN guy I like less is Colin Cowherd
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by buddyball on
Jul 28, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
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Doug Gottlieb, shockingly stupid.
He says the most ignorant things, and he says them so slowly and so forcefully you just know he thinks his brilliance demands attention.
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by James Quinn on
Jul 28, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
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hilarious last night
Turned on the radio to catch the royals pre-game, but they hadn’t switched over to the feed yet, so I got ten minutes of some other ESPN schlep talking about how he went to see Dark Knight by himself and wanted to know whether that made him a tool.
Um … this is a sports radio program right?
Funniest thing I’ve heard in a while when he read a listener’s email that said he wasn’t a tool for going to the movies by himself, but for talking about it for two hours on the radio: Huge tool.
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by gordonfan on
Jul 29, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
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Maybe I should've gone to see that movie
by myself.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
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