ESPN: Guillen wants out of KC
ESPN: Relationship with Hillman in tatters, Guillen wants out of K.C.
"Guillen and Hillman are not on speaking terms, they don't talk," said the source. "Guillen is definitely not happy, he's not comfortable and he would do anything he can in economic terms to ease his way out of Kansas City."
Guillen is willing to defer money to get dealt.
I say, grant him his wish.
via s.wsj.net
I am in a living hell!
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Does anyone else find this...
...hysterically funny?
by billexgordler on Jul 29, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought the Boos motivated him?!?
Screw him. It’s been all about Jose Guillen since he signed; send to Arkansas. Make him suffer through the year, then trade him. He knew what he was in for when he signed with KC.
by RoyalCubbie on Jul 29, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If only we could have anticipated
He might be a clubhouse problem. This is so totally unexpected!
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel you Guillen
My relationship is also in tatters with Hillman, and we are not on speaking terms.
by sconieroyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked! shocked!
Well I am sure the trade rumor mills will be going crazy after this story. I mean what MLB club would not be interested in a poor fielding outfielder with a .733 OPS only owed $24M over the next two years!
What horrible bad luck for Jose! Misunderstood again! What are the chances!
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If only he could be Fukudome
chuckles
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would bet
He is not on speaking terms with Lou Piniella! Unless Lou speaks Japanese.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, if only he could have been Emil Brown!
At least we would have only been stuck with him for a few more months and saved $32M.
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's get the whine train back on the tracks
All aboard!
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but a few more people may have had their eyes shot out.
You can’t put a price tag on that.
by djk royal on Jul 29, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually that would be a huge improvement in every facet of the game.
by djk royal on Jul 29, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have a penchant for overstatement
Do you know that Fukudome’s OPS is .776? Do you know that this would translate to maybe .760 (at best) in the AL? What a huge improvement! (and that below average player is under contract for 4 years, not 3).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fukudome is sluggig .401
at wrigley
by royalsreview on Jul 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My great grandmother slugged .413 there
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fukodome is not that good
he is probably one of the worst All-Stars in the history of the majors and he wouldn’t have come to KC anyways.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we should have signed him anyway!!!!!!111
5/55, 6/66, whatever it took!!!!!
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has an OBP of 383.
He’s also a good baserunner and defender. Guillen is neither of those.
by djk royal on Jul 29, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Fukudome is a superior player, but he also was not going to come here. I believe the White Sox offered more money than the Cubs, and Kosuke didn’t want to play there. He wanted to play for a high profile team.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The issue isn't Fukudome
is it? I mean, it’s just that Guillen really has disappointed even if we look at his performance in a vacuum. And yes, it’s too early to pass judgment on the whole contact, but this doesn’t bode well for the last two years of it. Ugh.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 29, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the can trade him in the offseason
Throw in a little cash and a throw-in prospect. It’s doable. I don’t think it is true to say that no team would want him and his 2/24 salary (which really isn’t a huge number nowadays)
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Guillen has more power, and a better arm
And you have to discount all of Fukudome’s stats if he moves to the AL (to evaluate them on an even playing field)
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fukudome OPS+ 106, guillen 91
Let’s also not forget that Matsui had an OPS+ of 109 in year 1, then averaged 130 each year thereafter. Not that they’re the same player, but probably the best comp.
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by marbotty on Jul 30, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that's not his best comp
....because Fukudome has very, very little power.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 30, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Jose didn't appreciate being called Hosey
This partially explains why both Hillman and Guillen have acted so unbelievably pissy this year
by raefzilla on Jul 29, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the annoying thing about guillen
is that his bitchfests have never been with the media - like some national innocence destoryers - but with his own teammates, managers, etc
by royalsreview on Jul 29, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So at least he has a good relationship with the media
See, you have to look at the upside.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More uside...
He could be gone by Thursday.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Jul 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Jose
In his last on-field fight Guillen thought a former teammate was intentionally throwing at him. Imagine that. So he got into a fight with his current teammates in Seattle because none of them were willing to retaliate on his behalf. Again, imagine that. Oh well, I guess that is just part of life when you are the Great Misunderstood One.
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Braves wanted him
I’d take Tex for the rest of the season…there’s always the chance we could resign him after the season. If not atleast we’d have money to throw at FA’s.
Dayton make it happen!
Sign Alex Gordon to a life time contract!!!
by eboston on Jul 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm F'in pissed
I’ve defended Guillen a lot on this site and I have never been more wrong about it. Fuck him. If he can’t play in KC then he can’t play anywhere. I just hope we can get something for him worth a damn. To everyone who saw this coming all along: I applaud you, I know there were lots of you.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wanted hitting and expected him to be an asshole
As long as he gets back on a hot streak (which will come), I don’t much care if he’s an asshole.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you really think he's going to be around now?
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they trade him, that's fine too
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there's being an asshole
And then there’s being totally disruptive to a team, which Guillen seems to be doing. I’m not a big believer in chemistry, but I don’t think the Royals can really tolerate this situation any longer.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this going to decrease the team's OPS or increase the team's ERA?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember you
assuring us that his behavior was all proper and good. That he was not an asshole. That he was a good teammate and we were all being irrational. I seem to remember that very well.
Oh well, sometimes being right is bittersweet.
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You remember wrong
I have said all along that he’s still an asshole. I said that him stating his position preference is not an assholish behavior. But I said all along that he’s still an asshole and that I don’t care because the All Saints Team isn’t what we should be going for.
If you want to find me saying he’s changed and that he’s a good guy now and he’ll be a good teammate and good clubhouse guy, go find it. You won’t find it anywhere. Don’t spin my comments into something that they weren’t.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I probably shouldn't do this. I probably should just let it drop.
But here you go. Link. And link.
Let’s move on.
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any posts in there where I said he's not an asshole anymore?
If you will read what I actually wrote, I said numerous times that he’s still a jerk, but some of the specific incidents where people were bitching about him (like him stating his position preference) were not fair and were not examples of genuine assholish behavior (the same goes for when he volunteered to move to LF).
So, stop your spinning, JQ. I never said he had turned over a new leaf and was a good guy now. I pointed out once instance of him doing something good for the team.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon JQ
In that first link, NYRoyal is not even close to being the only one to defend Guillen. A lot of others in it were saying very similar things like it’s a good move becaue Guillen realizes it will help the team, so on and so on. The 2nd one, well, you obviously have this love for Fukodome. I dont get it, personally, but Fukodome is furthest from the type of player we need right now. He is essentially DDJ with a lot more star quality. Even with Guillen being a asshole, I’d still take 5 months of that over a full season of Fukodome.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I never said that Guillen would be a good clubhouse guy
Never, never, never ever. But hey, if the lie is repeated often enough, maybe people will start believing it is true. That works for some politicians.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NYRoyal = Guillen-lover
It’s the truth. It’s on the internet.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Jul 29, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I saw them making out
I saw them in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Simpsons quotes are perfect for overheated threads like this
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's also a picture of the Queen of England F'ing a donkey on the internet
Not on the same website though.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember many times during his hot streak in May/June
you saying something to the effect of: “He’s always been an asshole and always will be, but he can hit.” Not those exact words but, yeah, definitely not saying he is some great clubhouse guy
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Guillen smoochy lover boy....
I accept your concession per Godwin’s rule . Try to stop loving Guillen so much from here forward.
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think, JQ,
that those of who reserved judgment on Jome Run Jose were pointing out the recent trend that Guillen wasn’t a problem in Seattle, that personality stuff in baseball can be overblown, and that, accordingly, we shouldn’t judge the guy before he stepped onto the field for KC. I can’t speak for NYRoyal or anyone else, of course, but I can say I think I was fully aware that Guillen wasn’t a model citizen.
That things have turned bad now doesn’t make reserving judgment in April a better or worse course of action, in my opinion.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 29, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks NHZ
I was one who had heard the good things from Seattle and wanted to reserve judgement, and defended Guillen. I didn’t care too much about the previous blow ups because they weren’t that big a deal and in a few cases (babies) the things needed to be said. I also have thought that the fans have been pretty stupid for booing him when he’s obviously hurt. But this one is the last straw and I don’t like it when a player for my team doesn’t want to be on the team, or in the city. That is the kind of thing I can’t stand….c’mon, who doesn’t like KC? The fans are easy, the media is easy.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
From what I can tell, the KC media is a very reasonable group-at least in relation to the Royals-compared with some of the markets I’m used to following. Can you imagine if this stuff was going down in Boston? Jose Guillen would have his own section in the sports page tomorrow.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 29, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree,
I’ve tried to be a “Guillen guy” but if this is true, it’s really a downer. I don’t get where his relationship with HIllman went south. Last I heard he was defending Hillman whilst calling his teammates a bunch of babies.
The bad thing is, I think the Braves have decided to be sellers now, and the Yankees have already picked up Nady. Whom else among the contenders would he fit? The Angels (ha ha).
Seriously, the Mets, Phillies, Dodgers, whom else?
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I saw he and Hillman talking during the game last night
it must have not been good, though.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Impossible!
They are not speaking! :-)
"Greinke and the Brain" (R) (C) TM
by SittinByTheFoulPole on Jul 29, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it was pinch-hitting
Maier for him as opposed to letting him hit and then pinch run Maier. Which was probably a better idea anyway, but he was hurt…
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Jul 29, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braves are sellers
But Guillen is not a rental. He has two more years. And from what I hear, the Braves want to compete next year.
We don’t have to shop him just to contenders.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Braves could bounce back,
I think, pretty well in 09 or late 08. They’re significantly underperforming their pyth record.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Jose can't stand the boos out of a handful of KC fans
How in the world would he cope with the NY fans?
by Top Ramen on Jul 29, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the same way
He’d complain like a lot of Yankees and Mets have complained over the years.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, if he thought he had it bad from KC fans before....
I imagine it’s going to be a lot worse for him from here on out.
by Top Ramen on Jul 29, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does this mean?
“When Guillen signed with Kansas City he knew the team wouldn’t be a contender in 2008, but he was promised that moves would be made to build a winning team in 2009, said the source.”
Has he been told we’re not spending any money this winter?
Or is he just being irrational and emotional?
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going with
the latter.
"Greinke and the Brain" (R) (C) TM
by SittinByTheFoulPole on Jul 29, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it's funny
that one of the best ways for us to get better is replace a certain fairly average, injured oufielder…
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Jul 29, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man, don't tell NYRoyal
or he will get all up in Jose Guillen’s ass about being emotional and irrational and incessantly negative and overreaction and, and, .. :)
I once tried to string together the combination, "Hot Shot Hit Foul". It didn't quite come out that way. -- Denny Matthews
by gordonfan on Jul 29, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've already talked with Jose about it
He didn’t react well.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't on speaking terms anymore
To fall is not failure, failure is refusing to get up
by ksuroyals on Jul 29, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or did he REALLY say these things?
My mother's basement is better than YOUR mother's basement!!
by Royal Kingdom on Jul 29, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why he has played for more teams than seasons in the last couple years.
What can we get for him?
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
by 306008 on Jul 29, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not much I would think
He’s been in a major slump for a month, he’s hurt, he has re-established his reputation as a major clubhouse cancer, he makes a lot of money, and the Royals have two days to move him.
Our leverage is quite undercut.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone notice between innings during the game Saturday night?
They came back from break and there was a shot on Guillen and Gordon in the dugout. They were both looking up and either towards the stands or the entrance to the clubhouse, I couldn’t tell which. But he mouthed something that we couldn’t hear so we DVR’s it and he said, “You can kiss my fucking ass”, Gordon just turned his head and looked back at the field….who was he talking to? Probably a fan, but wtf? He can’t control himself enough to ignore a fan at home heckling him?
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All right, so now
maybe we’ll stop hearing crap about Guillen’s amazing leadership. That would be nice. This sure doesn’t seem like a very gritty thing to do. Thankfully, he’s making up for that by sucking it up and playing through an injury. (sarcasm)
Guillen needs to wake up and smell the BBQ…he isn’t going anywhere unless the Royals keep paying a lot of his contract, and he’s the guy who got himself into KC for such a big payday in the first place.
Okay, so maybe Guillen hasn’t changed a bit since he was with the Angels, after all. I guess the lattes in Seattle had a calming effect on the guy that KC can’t reproduce.
JQ and others who weren’t thrilled about this signing – well, I’m having a hard time arguing with you right now.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 29, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FUCK JOSEY!!
Fucking Baby… all he does is cry cry cry like a little baby but then he calls others babies
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
by focs on Jul 29, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish Jose would get his life back on track like Hamilton did
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
First he needs some drugs
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 29, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna see milton bradley, josey guillen, barry bonds, and jeff kent in the same room for 5 hours..
i think im on to a new reality show
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
by focs on Jul 29, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throw in Elijah Dukes
And that Peoria kid that’s going to jail.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we add in...
Whichever Young it was (Delmon?) who threw a bat at the umpire in the minors a few years back? Maybe Albert Belle?
by stlfan on Jul 29, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GTFO, Jose.
What a baby. I am sick of this malcontent, and I am sick of his inconsistant play. In the six years I have been following baseball religiously, I have never seen a Royal as blunt and confrontational as this bi-polar freak. I hope to the Gods in BASEBALL HEAVEN that this sonuvabitch is shipped out of here faster than a UPS package.
Destined for failure.
by JobDDT on Jul 29, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
quit advertising for UPS lol
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
by focs on Jul 29, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose, you don't know what a living hell is!
The rest of us have been suffering thru the last decade and a half, save for one miraculous season – and that season ended up being just a tick above avg in the end anyway.
Buck up, cowboy – you’re not going anywhere.
by loyal2sdad on Jul 29, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Is anyone from the media out in OAK?
The easiest thing to do, given how blunt he apparently is, is to go right in and ask him. Stop speculating and get it right from the horse’s mouth.
Just asking, but what if they ask him and he and Hillman both deny the whole thing? I think we’ve established that we can take him at his word, so I doubt he’s going to lie. I mean, he just talked to (Dutton?) the other day, he would have had his chance to drop that little nugget on us then, but it’s coming from ESPN Deportes, which not sure how reliable they are.
I seriously wonder if he’s got a bi-polar thing going on, if he’s just hot-tempered, or what. It would seem that he would be committing career suicide if true. I just don’t know if he would get another chance after this.
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dutton
Is hot on the beat of where the players got those neat necklaces from.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dutton and Kaegel's hard hitting investigative journalism will get to the bottom of this
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Split on 810 right now
but I don’t think he’s out there. I want to hear from someone in Oakland.
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he is there actually
he said he doesn’t think the Royals will trade him.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My best guess as to what happens
Guillen goes on the DL, the Royals tell him to go home and cool off a bit. He comes back in a month, plays, but keeps his mouth shut. The Royals trade him this winter after eating some of the contract for some marginal prospects and maybe a reclamation project like Jeff Franceour.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a plan
I’d be happy with that if they didn’t have to kick in too much money.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds plausible
If it’s true, I don’t see how he comes back here to play this weekend without the fans absolutely roasting here.
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm disgusted by this shocking turn of events.
where tpj happens.
by blue bandwagon on Jul 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh, wait...
this wasn’t shocking.
where tpj happens.
by blue bandwagon on Jul 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing that kinda concerns me
Is that if this is true, Guillen is now the second free agent (Olivo being the first) to imply he was misled in some way to sign here.
I don’t think Dayton intentionally misled anyone, but that does raise the flag that perhaps he has a communication problem with players. Maybe in trying to make the “sell” he oversells himself. I know some people that will stretch the truth to get people to like them. Its not malicious, its just a strong need to get people to like them (Al Gore is supposedly like this I’ve heard).
Keith Law has written about how being a GM is so much more than just drafting and trading guys. You have to manage an organization of people. And maybe these are just the kinks a new GM like Dayton has to work out as he learns the job. But I do worry about it being an issue, or at the very least a “perceived” issue around baseball that may make it hard to land free agents in the future.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guillen got more cash here than he would have gotten anywhere else.
He is being an irrational baby. He wasn’t mislead about anything and he only signed here because of the cash.
Fuck ‘em.
Destined for failure.
by JobDDT on Jul 29, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I don’t know. I mean, I don’t think an incident like this particularly helps, but…
I really can’t say that I think people are going to avoid signing with the Royals because Jose Guillen says he was misled. Creditability and all that.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 29, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I saw a few comments on Espn.com
and people were talking about, “nice try, but they had to see this coming”, and the like. If fans across the country know about him then other players across the league have to know what kind of baggage he brings.
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another factor
The Royals can’t really trade him with their upcoming “Jose Guillen Baby Bottle” promotional give away coming up.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's all about the promos
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Want My
TPJ bobblehead; talk about a collecter’s item.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 1, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This can't possibly help us
sign free agents in the future. What do you think Glass is saying? I give him 36 million over 3 years and he still doesn’t want to be here? You have to wonder if Glass will be so willing to throw his money around this offseason
by gordonrules on Jul 29, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think Glass is going to stop spending money because Jose Guillen is a malcontent
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Jose Guillen doesn't like it there? Must be an okay place, sign me up."
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 29, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is something I posted back in January.
Back in January, the honeymoon period…. I don’t think the links will transfer.
Maybe it is an “urban legend” of sorts, but according to Jeff Kallman one scout wrote a single word on Guillen’s evaluation sheet in the character section. “asshole.”
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Here is a blog story from Distinguished Senators regarding Guillen’s behavior in Anaheim and Washington. Some fun reading. Guillen clearly has issues with the truth, accepting criticism, and, well, just other people who happen to exist in his vicinity.
From the Sporting News:
“Every time he goes to a new team, in the beginning you hear about what a great guy he is and a great teammate he is,” an executive in the American League says. “But then something always happens. At a certain point, that’s a real track record, in the same way that somebody’s career numbers are a track record.”
The Angels must have been nodding and smiling smugly when they heard about Guillen’s outburst in the dugout on July 8. After getting hit by a pitch from Pedro Martinez and teammate Esteban Loaiza failed to retaliate, Guillen got into a shouting argument with Loaiza and catcher Brian Schneider in the dugout. A similar incident in Anaheim last season was the start of Guillen’s troubles with the Angels.
“A lot of people say Jose Guillen is a cancer in the clubhouse,” Guillen says. “But I have never had a problem with one of my teammates. Never. Never. I’ve been misunderstood most of my career.”
Why did Guillen get into an on-field fight with former teammate Brendan Donnelly? “He was staring at me,” the Seattle Mariners’ outfielder told a reporter, after the big stink. “I don’t know what he was saying, but I don’t like whatever it was.”
One consistent comment from Guillen, he is misunderstood and has never acted in a way he thinks was uncalled for. He thinks he does not have a problem and that he has just gotten a bad rap from the media. “No one understands me.”
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm still against trading Guillen
There are several problems:
1. The Royals probably won’t get fair return. Any trade of Guillen would no doubt make this team worse. The Royals have made too many bad deals at the trade deadline.
2. I don’t publicly criticize my employer and I’m making far less than $12 million per year. (I do think Guillen’s criticisms of the fans have been on target, however.)
3. Trading the Royals big free agent signing sends the message both to fans and to this year’s free agent class that the Royals are not trying to build a competitive team.
Trading Guillen would be a major mistake, one that would further erode this franchise’s credibility.
by jbrocato on Jul 29, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, it doesn't.
Trading Guillen says, “Look, we gave him a chance despite the fact that everyone thinks he’s a raging asshole. Thus far this season, he’s proven to be a selfish, egotistical prick AND he’s not hitting, so we’ve decided that we’re going to make him Someone Else’s Problem.”
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 29, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Guillen
(for the record, I made this point - agreeing with someone else making this point, actually - weeks ago)
If you trade Guillen for anything (let’s say a nothing prospect) then you have the nothing prospect + $12M to spend on someone else. That doesn’t make the Royals worse.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’d love to have the money more than anything. Even if its not the full $12 mill/year.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, I'd kick in some money
I really don’t think the Royals would have to kick in much, if any. There are more than a few GM’s who would like his Isolated Power.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is assuming the Royals aren't asked to eat some of Guillen's salary
If I were in the market for a COFer at the trade deadline, I would certainly take a look at Guillen, but for a .733 OPSing athlete with nagging injuries, I would probably wouldn’t want to pay the whole $24 million Guillen is owed after this year. If we have to pay even half of Guillen’s salary, that is money we could have used to sign next year’s first-round pick or something.
by DarthYoshi on Jul 29, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way the Royals would have to eat anywhere near half of his salary
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing which helps his trade value
Guillen would even defer some of the $24MM owed to him for 2009-10
That makes his $24M more affordable for any team.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that depends on how much he is willing to defer, and for how long. the article doesn't really say.
by DarthYoshi on Jul 29, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, but the point is that deferring some of the money helps
It makes it more affordable. If he defers only $1 for one year, then the help is negligible. If he defers half of the contract for 5 years, then it is huge. The point is that he’s willing to do something to make him more affordable and thus more valuable and more easily tradable.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nonsensical comment, sorry.
If we have to pay even half of Guillen’s salary, that is money we could have used to sign next year’s first-round pick or something.
As opposed to having to pay it all and keep him around?
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 29, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Missed the point, sorry
If one of the benefits of trading Guillen is a salary dump (as NYRoyal points out), then it’d be nice to be able to dump all the salary.
That was the only point I was making.
by DarthYoshi on Jul 29, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
1) I think the Royals could be better if they got rid of Guillen. He hasn’t provided all that much. He was HOT for 1 month and subpar for the rest.
2) Publicly criticizing your employer should get you fired. I don’t care how much you make. And criticizing the fans is never a good approach. You can go the route of, “I’m just trying to ignore it and play hard.”
3) It says we gave him a shot, and he was a bust. That doesn’t mean that next year’s FA guys won’t think they can do better… especially when we’re willig to overpay them.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Jul 29, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they do trade him,
it should be in the off-season, when GMDM will have time to get the best deal possible.
Sorta hard to do that when you only get 2 days notice.
Additional benefit – it won’t look like they are giving in to his demands as much as if they trade him in the next 2 days.
by loyal2sdad on Jul 29, 2008 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't think Moore will be in a hurry to trade him
He really doesn’t need to. If there’s a good offer before the deadline, so be it. If not, wait until the offseason.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I think you give into his demands
and make sure everyone knows that’s what you’re doing. “He didn’t want to be here, he’s a problem, then we don’t want him to be here either so we got rid of him. Simple as that, easy peasy.”
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 29, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
I don’t think you are going to get anything close to fair value if you trade him right now. We simply cannot afford to eat $12 mm or close to it.
Eat the $12 mm plus get value back in prospects, fine
Eat nothing and get nothing, fine.
Anything else I think would be a mistake.
I still want to hear it from the horse’s mouth before I’m completely sold. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kevin “Summer’s Eve” Kietzman was the source.
I don’t think Split really had any great insight, he was simply reacting to what was being reported. Everything else we’ve heard has been directly from Guillen. I doubt it would be any different this time. I’m not going to lie, I hope it’s not true. Not because I have a particular affinity for Guillen, but the Royals don’t need this.
But, it is what it is, and I guess we’ll see what transpires in the next 48 hours. I would be happy at this point if we could just walk away from the deal, no prospects, no money, just go to our happy place and act like it never happened.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Just a bad dream. Like the Joe Mays debacle
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Mays was a standup guy
I miss him…
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best thing to do.
David Glass pays his full salary this year we trade him to get prospects
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
by focs on Jul 29, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This will be interesting to follow for another reason
I am kinda interested in seeing how well Moore, and especially Hillman, handle this publicly.
Trey has seemed a bit sensitive to criticism at times; I hope he improves in that area. Defusing this would be a great start towards showing he has the mental discipline to handle the crucible of major league managing.
by loyal2sdad on Jul 29, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jose is simply doing this to test the organization duh
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
by focs on Jul 29, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what I was implying!
and shame on you for putting words in my mouth
by loyal2sdad on Jul 29, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree
but nobody in the KC media is going to ask Trey about this, are they? Certainly not the Royals broadcast guys.
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by gordonfan on Jul 29, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rhonda Moss will.
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by Royal Kingdom on Jul 29, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to further my point
Trey will need to walk a fine line between telling us the real problems between himself and Guillen, if they exist, and not saying anything that will undermine his credibility with players in the clubhouse.
Remember, he is a rare breed – the manager that did not play in the show, and even though rational minds may think “so what”, by all accounts, this can be an issue with major league players.
by loyal2sdad on Jul 29, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really think Hillman is going to be tight lipped about this
He’s not a loose cannon and doesn’t spout off to the media. I think he’ll mostly keep this in the clubhouse, even though Guillen isn’t.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think Hillman will come out of this smelling like a rose, earning the respect of the team, and the fans. I can’t think Guillen has too many supporters in that clubhouse.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Guillen does
I heard Billy Butler worships the ground that Guillen walks on.
by DarthYoshi on Jul 29, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they do just dump him now,
then I think it might be OK for Hillman to explain the circumstances – especially if he needs to do so to maintain clubhouse respect.
Hard to know until we hear more about what is the cause of this apparent rift.
by loyal2sdad on Jul 29, 2008 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard that Billy Butler
stole Guillen’s wig and was, um, having relations with it.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would imagine going postal on Hillman's pitching coach had something to do with it
But I don’t know if there are greater issues lurking beneath the surface.
by DarthYoshi on Jul 29, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think "clubhouse respect" has anything to do with him discussing this publicly
I suppose one could argue that he needs to explain this to the team once Guillen is gone, but not publicly. Him saying bad things about Guillen publicly doesn’t help anyone, including the Royals reputation in the eyes of potential FA’s.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be fine
it would eventually leak out anyway.
I am curious, because Royals management reaction to this may say something about how they plan to operate the team in the future.
I would prefer to be able to make my own judgement, knowing all the facts, on whether they should trade him or not. (I do know that’s not possible, unfortunately)
by loyal2sdad on Jul 29, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The source of the rift
Jose Guillen: And I say, that England’s greatest Prime Minister was Lord Palmerston!
Bob McClure: Pitt the Elder!
Jose Guillen: Lord Palmerston!
Bob McClure: Pitt the Elder!
Jose Guillen: Okay, you asked for it, Bob! [punches him out]
Trey: Yeah, that’s showing him, Jose! Pitt the Elder…
Jose: Lord Palmerston!
I’m posting too many Simpsons quotes today
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, will Guillen start tonight in RF?
odds say “Yes”
But it’s a road game. He doesn’t like playing in KC, after all.
by BHWick on Jul 29, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guillen is either a guy with huge character issues or a maniacal genius
or both, because he played this one perfectly.
Seattle didn’t want to pay 9M to keep him in the offseason. Rumors around the league were that no one wanted to go double digits because of his character issues. He got the Royals, a “perennial non-contender” to give him 3/36 with the “promise” that they’d become competitive.
Now that he’s got a bigger contract than anyone else would’ve come anywhere close to—he starts to throw fits, demean the fans, yell at coaches, demand to be traded, or just engage in general douchebaggery. Basically make it so unbearable that the Royals are pressed into trading him to a contending team. Jose will even make it easy on the new team by deferring money.
So not only does he get to go to a contending team, but he also got the contract that no contending team was willing to give him.
GENIUS!
by Top Ramen on Jul 29, 2008 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hillmans not gonna say anything.
I really believe they would have to eat a Large Part of the contract. Unless Guillen is Al Pacino then almost anybody with 2 good eyes could realize he is hurt. What GM in baseball is gonna take on a 3 year deal with a hurt under .800 OPS OF who is almost GUARANTEED to be a problem in the next year or two. Plus what is the market for OF’ers right now? I don’t here a lot of speculation about anyone wanting a Outfielder.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Jul 29, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They would likely trade him in the offseason
And yes, other teams would be willing to take him for 2/24 with some of that money deferred.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the current inflationary economy
deferred money is absolutely GOLD for clubs.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 29, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The market this winter for OF isn’t very good, so we may find some takers at the right price.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At that point why trade him. If they could land Dunn
wouldn’t that somewhat satisfy his concerns with winning and if he came back healthy and performed I would think the boobirds would stop too satisfying his other problem.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Jul 29, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant Dunn or some other FA
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-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Jul 29, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not get rid of Guillen
and replace with Burrell and Dunn? I would cut ties with Guillen as soon as possible (assuming this latest dustup is true), he’s just too high maintenance.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Trading Guillen for prospects means that the Royals could not only sign Dunn or Burrell (which they can afford right now)
But also another significant FA.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While that would be AWESOME
I think landing both would be Highly unrealistic.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Jul 29, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably can't afford both
But we can afford either plus another pretty big FA (if we trade away Guillen).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking today
If Aviles’ passable defense allows us to go after an O-Dawg or Mark Ellis.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather go with Aviles and Callaspo then go after those FA's
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree....
callaspo will be a decent enough hitter for a 2b…probably somewhere around average given regular playing time and sobriety….whereas we’re going to be far below average at 1b and a corner OF spot if jose leaves…it hurts us alot more having a ross gload or mitch maier out there than it does having alberto callaspo
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 29, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably right,
but what is the difference b/w Guillen at $12 and Burrell at (WAG) $15, and Dunn at $12 and Burrell at $15? If we’re assuming that they’re going to go to $75-$80, they could just as easily spend it on those two.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forget why KC had to sign Guillen in the first place because it is not
desireable location #1. KC would have to probably pay slightly above market value for one I don’t think you want to do that for both.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Jul 29, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Royals payroll
With the players the Royals have now (including some obvious non-tenders) the current commitments for 2009 are about $60M. That leaves arguably $20M for FA’s (if Glass is actually willing to take the payroll up to $80M, which I think he is). If you take out Guillen, that means $48M with $32M for FA’s. Can both Dunn and Burrell be had for $32M? I don’t think so.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
You think they’ll make more than $32 mill a year? I don’t think there’s anyway they do.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just my guess
But you think that they won’t get more than $16M per year? Given the market, salary inflation, etc.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
The market on Dunn seems to be pretty deflated. I’d say he gets about $12-14 million a year, where Burrell gets about $14-15 million a year.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would have been
about my guess, between $27-$30 for both.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is the market on Dunn deflated?
He is having another very good year.
I see no reason why he will not be in demand, south of Toronto that is.
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right
But the fact that both Hunter and Jones got $18M tells me that that Dunn and Burrell will get more than $16M each.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of their market value, if the Royals think they can afford
both of them, there will be a hell of a lot of other teams that can get at least one of them
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by Royal Kingdom on Jul 29, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad might be on the market as well.
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
$15M team option, $3M buyout
You think the Angels wouldn’t like to have Vlad for $15M next year? And that they’d rather pay him $3M to get rid of him?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm sure they will pick that up.
Which is a shame.
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn just hit his 30th hr last night
I don’t know how deflated it will be…..what did Andruw Jones get again?
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snakeskin Boots
‘Nuff said
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by devil_fingers on Jul 29, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree,
do you think (just for example), Dunn would get $14/year and Burrell would get $18/year? I think they could fit both in for $32 million. If they can’t, I’d probably have to pass anyway.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much did you think T. Hunter and A. Jones were going to get?
Doesn’t the fact that the both signed for $18M per year say something about market value for FA OFers?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess for Hunter was low
My guess for Jones was high.
I did pretty well this off season.
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I didn't ask you, but congratulations
I assume you don’t think D and B will get only $16M each then.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea about Burell,
I’ve never seen him play.
Dunn, I think he will have trouble getting a deal longer than four years. I expect something along the lines of a 4/60, but who knows. Maybe it will go a bit higher. He lacks fielding skills and he does not seem like someone who will age well.
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that they will get $16 each
Hunter has more overall skills than Dunn. Hunter career OPS = .796, Burrell .860. Hunter is a better defender and steals more bases. I could see $18 per year for Burrell, but I think Dunn will get that much as he’s too one-dimensional, although he did steal 19 bases one year?! I could see $14 or $15 for Dunn, but one thing I think will make a big difference is how many years each gets, thhe longer the deal, the less per year.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter is better defensively and on the basepaths
But Dunn and Burell have both been significantly better hitters. So why should they get significantly less than Hunter?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea how much Burrell will get,
but I expect to see Dun get something along the lines of 4/60.
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by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pass
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've always said, he's an asshole and will continue to be an asshole
But the real problem isn’t his assholishness, it’s the hitting. He’s not hitting well enough. And at his age, he’s not getting better.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Psst
We have to stop talking that way. We have to convince other teams and their fans that he’s an offensive god and trading him will cripple our offense.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 29, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I have my weekly lunch with Ned Colletti, I'm going to singing a completely different tune
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just remember that Kemp and Loney and what-his-name at 3B
aren’t any good. They’re pretty bad. Why don’t we just take them off your hands, and we’ll give you Guillen.
And we’ll even let you pay his entire salary!
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 29, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Guillen is a Master of Psychology and realizes
poisoning his relationship with KC devalues his overall market value assuring him of a LONG LONG stay in KC which is ultimately what he wanted all along
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Jul 29, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not old enough for Snakeskin Boots
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Jul 29, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ive been a guillen defender all along...
and i dont think even this situation is that much of a stain on Guillen. He followed the money…should have known what he was getting himself into with this team. It doesnt appear that he did. It seems like he bought into Dayton’s kool-aid a little too much, like alot of royals fans have. It seems like Dayton told him he’d be part of a much improved team, which just hasnt been the case. I like what Dayton has done with regards to the minor league system…but on the major league level, theres been a lot to criticize. As much as i’d like to have him on the team, I think everyone is better off if we can move him. I think it was a decent gamble…and I think that if banny, gordon, butler, etc were playing up to the level people thought they would, the team would be much better and jose would be much happier
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 29, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's something we can all agree on
Somewhere in the Wild Wild West, Royales with Cheese is rubbing his hands together with glee, anticipating his next post.
It should be a doozy.
by loyal2sdad on Jul 29, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man, Enrique Rojas is the
go to guy for malcontents right now! He broke the story about Manny yesterday too. I know, I listened to ESPN’s the baseball show go on about it for four hours yesterday.
I once tried to string together the combination, "Hot Shot Hit Foul". It didn't quite come out that way. -- Denny Matthews
by gordonfan on Jul 29, 2008 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the thing I like about ESPN
is that they put the stories out there without overdoing it. they don’t overanalyze and let the story unfold on it’s own.
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking News! Breaking News!
“Brett Favre sends in papers to be reinstated…..and then he hate tuna on toast for lunch, pasta is expected for dinner but we will keep you posted on the latest.”
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you never know
he may hate it, too. That pill-popping double bagger.
. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche
by vegasroyals on Jul 29, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More
Manny Ramirez is apparently ambivalent about staying in Boston or being traded. Apparently, he may be traded, he may not.
Meanwhile, Manny just shat in the Green Monster while talking on his cellphone.
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shocking
but the implication about not building a team to compete in ‘09 is somewhat disingenuous. If that’s a legit statement, I’d like to know what else he was expecting from last offseason.
. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche
by vegasroyals on Jul 29, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably expecting Hunter or Jones
or someone else via trade to be added .
by Top Ramen on Jul 29, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question about the trade deadline..
People keep mentioning we only have two days to trade him but can’t you make trades after the deadline if Guillen clears waivers (and if he doesn’t… who cares?)?
by KCctrell85 on Jul 29, 2008 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Breaking News
Kotchman and pitcher to the Braves for :Teixeira
by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet trade for the Braves
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on Jul 29, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we no the Braves still somehow believe they're in the race...
Do you think we could pull a Guillen for Francuer and a prospect? Saving a lot money for the offseason and the Braves wanted him this past offseason.
by Royal2103 on Jul 29, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If true the Braves got the better part of that deal.
Teixeira is going to demand more money than the Angels will want to spend next year.
To Jose G….don’t let the door hit you in the ass. Take your attitude somewhere else. Maybe the Dodgers would trade Berroa back to us. ( smirk)
by grudz96 on Jul 29, 2008 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Royals should give him an "eff-you" back
and either send him to the minors, or put him on the DL.
by stlfan on Jul 29, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course they can't send him to the minors
They can outright him to the minors, but he could then refuse the assignment, become a FA with the Royals owing him every penny of his contract. Sound like a good idea?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man...now manny's a prick?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 29, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding?
Of course he is.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he pisses in the wall and stuff....
yet still totally earns his $20 million/yr…and has for his entire career
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 29, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Between Manny
And Pujols for the best RH hitter of the millenium.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 1, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TOTAL DENIAL FROM JOSE
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/725943.html
"This is completely catching me by surprise," Guillen said. "This isn’t coming from me. Trey and I are fine right now, and I’ve never said I wanted out of Kansas City.
"This is the team that is paying me a lot of money, and this is where I want to be. I don’t know where all of this stuff is coming from. I hate to be put in this situation, and now I look like a bad guy again."
The story, written by Enrique Rojas, quotes an unidentified source as saying Guillen and Hillman are not on speaking terms. The source also said Guillen "would do anything he can in economic terms to ease his way out of Kansas City."
Guillen denied it all.
"Everyone has been calling me and asking me about that stuff," Guillen said. "I’ve known Enrique for a long time, and he knows my family. But I don’t know where he got this from. It was not from me.
"I want to know where he said it came from."
Guillen, 32, was a free agent last winter when he signed a three-year contract with the Royals for $36 million. He is batting .260 in 100 games but leads the club with 14 homers and 69 RBIs.
General manager Dayton Moore said neither Guillen, nor his agent Adam Katz, has ever expressed a desire to leave the Royals.
"This is puzzling to me because I tried to stay tuned in," Moore said. "Unless he’s telling me one thing and saying another, I’ve been under the understanding that he and Trey are getting along well.
"We’re happy that José is here and contributing to our team. Nobody has ever made me aware of any such desire to leave Kansas City."
by GoBabies!! on Jul 29, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well either Jose is lying...
...or that’s some really shoddy journalism by ESPN.
by suzzer on Jul 29, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Either way its shoddy journalism, to quote an anonymous source
whether he said it or not, of course he is going to deny it. He might have actually talked to Jose before printing it, to see if he would deny it.
then again, I wouldn’t be surprised if Jose actually WAS the source.
My mother's basement is better than YOUR mother's basement!!
by Royal Kingdom on Jul 29, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guillen is the source for the story
If you read the ESPN story and the Star story, it appear that Guillen is the “annonymous source” for the ESPN story. The ESPN story provides all kind of details that could only come from Guillen. The writer knows Guillen and talks to him. The Star story specifically mentions that Guillen knows the reporter and supposedly is trying to call him. I think (but am not sure) that in the ways of the press, the Star reporter was telling people that Guillen was the source and the updated ESPN story where there is all the information from the annonymous source, then a break to report what Guillen told the Star, reinforces the coded message that Guillen is the source. The sooner the Royals get rid of this guyd and admit the contract was a huge mistake, the better. Let’s put the young guys in the outfield and see if any of them can play.
by Kansas City Oracle on Jul 30, 2008 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It "appears" that Guillen is the anonymous source for the story?
That’s quite a baseless guess on your part. Yes, let’s put the young guys like Maier and Lubanski on the field and let them see which of them can get their OPS up to .700. Woohoo!
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 30, 2008 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really want maier instead of jose?
costa?...lubanski?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 30, 2008 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Kietzman,
my take on this was that the whole thing is pretty much bullsh!t. From the assertion that Hillman’s/Guillen’s relationship is “in tatters” (really, why has Hillman gone out of his way to shield Guillen from criticism all year, and why did Guillen go out of his way during the “babies” rant to stick up for Hillman?), to the assertion that Guillen was promised a competitive team for 2009 (it’s not 2009 yet, so how could he be upset about this), to the assertion that he would defer money to make it easier to trade him (has anyone ever heard of a player doing this? Not even Manny offered that nugget up).
Guillen is what he is, an asshole that can hit the sh!t out of a baseball and has a gun for an arm. He is what he is. He’s high maintenance, and I highly doubt he’ll last the entire 3 years here. But, one thing for sure is that if the guy felt that way, he would come right out and say it.
If we look at this team one year from now, and Jose Guillen’s not on it, that’s fine by me. But, we’d better have somebody to replace him, for sure.
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The new math
91 OPS+ = hitting the shit out of a baseball
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Jul 30, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatev
I’m not going to get into a petty pissing contest with you or anyone else about his or anyone else’s stats, and whether or not he’s “good” or “bad”. 2007 OPS+ = 116, career OPS+ = 100. I can find and read baseball reference, too. Wow, I’m a f@cking statistical genius. Spare me.
In any case, the point was that if we plan on getting rid of him we better have at least comparable production in return, or better. I’m personally fine with getting out from under his contract, but we need to be smart about it.
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy, a pissing contest!
You may very well be right about the issues between Hillman and Guillen, but Guillen really isn’t very good thus far this year. Power’s good, but OBP is life.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 30, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and by the way
if you think Mitch Maier is a viable option for an everyday OF, you’re deluding yourself.
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As to Guillen being the "annonymous source"
You have to know how the press works. The ESPN guy wrote it so knowledgable readers would realize Guillen had talked to him (or at least authorized someone to talk to him). The Star guy wrote it so knowledgable readers would understand that he thought Guillen was the source. The media seldom comes out and reveals the hidden messages in their stories, but if you listen to enough talk radio on this one someone probably will reveal the secret about how to interpret the stories.
It was idiotic for the Royals to offer Guillen the deal, but they have now blown the money, so the sooner they move on, the better. The former Met GM now on ESPN said that the best deal Guillen could have gotten from any other team was one year at about $8 Million. What in the world was Moore thinking?
by Kansas City Oracle on Jul 30, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He was trying to make this team better
It didn’t work out, GM’s make bad moves.
What was the Dodgers GM thinking signing Andruw Jones?
Torrii Hunter isn’t worth the money he got, what was the Angels GM thinking?
by I need more Esteban on Jul 30, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed,
$36 million of Guillen > $36 million of Andruw Jones
Not sure, Oracle what insight you have regarding the workings of the press, but I don’t see Guillen pulling any punches on his comments thus far, so I think if he wanted out, he’d come right out and say so. Best guess is that he was venting to somebody and it got passed to a few people, then you’ve got the story.
Don’t think it was a bad move in total, but I would try to get out from under it at this point at the first opportunity, because I doubt this is going to be the last time this happens.
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your random speculation is interesting, if illogical
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 30, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who has listened to Guillen on one of his rants knows
that he is not a logical or reliable person. He will say one thing, then conradict himself moments later.
As to my interpretation of the media stories, if Guillen was not the original source or at least authorize the source, why wouldn’t he contact the ESPN reporter and deny it. The ESPN story was extremely detailed about Guillen’s feelings, suggesting the reporter was talking directly with him. In the update, he made very clear that Guillen’s denial was to the Star, not to him.
The Star was very clear in pointing out that Guillin knew the ESPN reporter and had talked to him in the past, thus implicitly communicating that the Star reporter believed Guillen was the source for ESPN.
by Kansas City Oracle on Jul 30, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guillen did deny it
The ESPN story was extremely detailed about Guillen’s feelings, suggesting the reporter was talking directly with him.
That’s ridiculous. That doesn’t suggest anything of the sort. It suggests that the writer put in a lot of details. Perhaps his source supplied him with the details (whether accurate or not). Perhaps this source was a friend, family member or associate who exaggerated what Guillen told him. Perhaps the writer pumped it up and filled in details to make it more interesting. Journalists unfortunately do that sometimes. Sports and entertainment journalists do that all too often.
The Star was very clear in pointing out that Guillin knew the ESPN reporter and had talked to him in the past, thus implicitly communicating that the Star reporter believed Guillen was the source for ESPN.
That was your inference, not their implication. Look, you hate Guillen. I get it. You think it was an awful signing and you hate the guy, so of course you assume that anything negative written about him is true.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 30, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My focus is not on Guillen, but on how the reporters wrote their stories
The press writes stuff so that people “in the know,” meaning other media people, can read the unstated message. When a writer talks about how a person feels and their intent, that is a signal that the writer probably talked to the person. That signal is clear in the ESPN story.
Also, the fact that the ESPN reporter did not ask Guillen for comment and Guillen did not contact the ESPN reporter to deny the story is an additional signal that he talked to the reporter or authorized someone to do so.
I, of course, cannot be certain that Guillen was the source, but all signals point in that direction.
by Kansas City Oracle on Jul 30, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The press writes stuff so that people "in the know," meaning other media people, can read the unstated message
That’s an absolute joke.
When a writer talks about how a person feels and their intent, that is a signal that the writer probably talked to the person. That signal is clear in the ESPN story.
Or it could be that his source (perhaps a friend, family member or associate) told Rojas how he thinks Guillen feels and his intent. Or Rojas inferred it and reported it as fact. That happens. It’s called poor journalism and it is very common. Do you think that all or even most sports journalists are good at their jobs and follow the best journalistic ethics?
I, of course, cannot be certain that Guillen was the source, but all signals point in that direction.
That’s ludicrous, but you’re entitled to your opinion.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 30, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of the BOX
Let’s send Guillen and Mahay to the Red Sox for Manny and Jed Lowrie. Straight up. It frees us from the from the Guillen burder and gets us a SS. It also brings us a superstar who will loaf for two months and be gone at the end of the year. We’ll collect a first round pick and a supplemental pick while being freed from Guillen and getting our future SS.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
by 306008 on Jul 30, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did John Henry trade Theo Epstein to the Twins for Bill Smith?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Jul 30, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good idea
but I don’t know if Theo would want to trade one (expiring) headache for another, longer-term headache. Lowrie’s a SS, right? If so, they have a hole there also that they’ll want to fill.
I would give Aviles/Callaspo a chance as our MI next year and focus our energy on one (maybe two, depending on what happens with Guillen) big bat(s). If Aviles/Callaspo works out, then we’re set. If not, then we go after a short-term SS (Moustakas should be ready by ‘11 or ‘12).
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is absolutely
no chance in hell of that deal ever becoming real.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 30, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad, it would be a great deal and Guillen for Ramirez might be one way to get rid of him
except we probably would need to eat some of his conract – boston is too smart to be stuck with two years of Guillen at $12 million per year. Guillen had a big series at Yankee Stadium. Maybe they would be stupid enought to take him. We don’t need anything for him, just get him out and get us out of as much as of his contract as possible.
by Kansas City Oracle on Jul 30, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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