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ESPN: Guillen wants out of KC

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ESPN: Relationship with Hillman in tatters, Guillen wants out of K.C.

"Guillen and Hillman are not on speaking terms, they don't talk," said the source. "Guillen is definitely not happy, he's not comfortable and he would do anything he can in economic terms to ease his way out of Kansas City."

Guillen is willing to defer money to get dealt.

I say, grant him his wish.

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via s.wsj.net

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+1

especially since he’s been reasonably good for what, 1 month?

Don't Stop Believing!

by KC Chris on Jul 29, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought the Boos motivated him?!?

Screw him. It’s been all about Jose Guillen since he signed; send to Arkansas. Make him suffer through the year, then trade him. He knew what he was in for when he signed with KC.

by RoyalCubbie on Jul 29, 2008 3:55 PM EDT   0 recs

If only we could have anticipated

He might be a clubhouse problem. This is so totally unexpected!

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 3:58 PM EDT   0 recs

I feel you Guillen

My relationship is also in tatters with Hillman, and we are not on speaking terms.

by sconieroyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:00 PM EDT   0 recs

If only he could be Fukudome

chuckles

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would bet

He is not on speaking terms with Lou Piniella! Unless Lou speaks Japanese.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hell, if only he could have been Emil Brown!

At least we would have only been stuck with him for a few more months and saved $32M.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's get the whine train back on the tracks

All aboard!

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You have a penchant for overstatement

Do you know that Fukudome’s OPS is .776? Do you know that this would translate to maybe .760 (at best) in the AL? What a huge improvement! (and that below average player is under contract for 4 years, not 3).

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My great grandmother slugged .413 there

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

True

Wait, you’re talking smack about my great grandma!!!!!!!!111

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Fukodome is not that good

he is probably one of the worst All-Stars in the history of the majors and he wouldn’t have come to KC anyways.

by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But we should have signed him anyway!!!!!!111

5/55, 6/66, whatever it took!!!!!

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He has an OBP of 383.

He’s also a good baserunner and defender. Guillen is neither of those.

by djk royal on Jul 29, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Fukudome is a superior player, but he also was not going to come here. I believe the White Sox offered more money than the Cubs, and Kosuke didn’t want to play there. He wanted to play for a high profile team.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The issue isn't Fukudome

is it? I mean, it’s just that Guillen really has disappointed even if we look at his performance in a vacuum. And yes, it’s too early to pass judgment on the whole contact, but this doesn’t bode well for the last two years of it. Ugh.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 29, 2008 4:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe the can trade him in the offseason

Throw in a little cash and a throw-in prospect. It’s doable. I don’t think it is true to say that no team would want him and his 2/24 salary (which really isn’t a huge number nowadays)

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And Guillen has more power, and a better arm

And you have to discount all of Fukudome’s stats if he moves to the AL (to evaluate them on an even playing field)

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

fukudome OPS+ 106, guillen 91

Let’s also not forget that Matsui had an OPS+ of 109 in year 1, then averaged 130 each year thereafter. Not that they’re the same player, but probably the best comp.

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by marbotty on Jul 30, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No, that's not his best comp

....because Fukudome has very, very little power.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 30, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe Jose didn't appreciate being called Hosey

This partially explains why both Hillman and Guillen have acted so unbelievably pissy this year

by raefzilla on Jul 29, 2008 4:07 PM EDT   0 recs

the annoying thing about guillen

is that his bitchfests have never been with the media - like some national innocence destoryers - but with his own teammates, managers, etc

by royalsreview on Jul 29, 2008 4:08 PM EDT   0 recs

So at least he has a good relationship with the media

See, you have to look at the upside.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

More uside...

He could be gone by Thursday.

Don't Stop Believing!

by KC Chris on Jul 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Poor Jose

In his last on-field fight Guillen thought a former teammate was intentionally throwing at him. Imagine that. So he got into a fight with his current teammates in Seattle because none of them were willing to retaliate on his behalf. Again, imagine that. Oh well, I guess that is just part of life when you are the Great Misunderstood One.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Braves wanted him

I’d take Tex for the rest of the season…there’s always the chance we could resign him after the season. If not atleast we’d have money to throw at FA’s.
Dayton make it happen!

Sign Alex Gordon to a life time contract!!!

by eboston on Jul 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm F'in pissed

I’ve defended Guillen a lot on this site and I have never been more wrong about it. Fuck him. If he can’t play in KC then he can’t play anywhere. I just hope we can get something for him worth a damn. To everyone who saw this coming all along: I applaud you, I know there were lots of you.

by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:13 PM EDT   0 recs

I wanted hitting and expected him to be an asshole

As long as he gets back on a hot streak (which will come), I don’t much care if he’s an asshole.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, there's being an asshole

And then there’s being totally disruptive to a team, which Guillen seems to be doing. I’m not a big believer in chemistry, but I don’t think the Royals can really tolerate this situation any longer.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I seem to remember you

assuring us that his behavior was all proper and good. That he was not an asshole. That he was a good teammate and we were all being irrational. I seem to remember that very well.

Oh well, sometimes being right is bittersweet.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You remember wrong

I have said all along that he’s still an asshole. I said that him stating his position preference is not an assholish behavior. But I said all along that he’s still an asshole and that I don’t care because the All Saints Team isn’t what we should be going for.

If you want to find me saying he’s changed and that he’s a good guy now and he’ll be a good teammate and good clubhouse guy, go find it. You won’t find it anywhere. Don’t spin my comments into something that they weren’t.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I probably shouldn't do this. I probably should just let it drop.

But here you go. Link. And link.

Let’s move on.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Any posts in there where I said he's not an asshole anymore?

If you will read what I actually wrote, I said numerous times that he’s still a jerk, but some of the specific incidents where people were bitching about him (like him stating his position preference) were not fair and were not examples of genuine assholish behavior (the same goes for when he volunteered to move to LF).

So, stop your spinning, JQ. I never said he had turned over a new leaf and was a good guy now. I pointed out once instance of him doing something good for the team.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

C'mon JQ

In that first link, NYRoyal is not even close to being the only one to defend Guillen. A lot of others in it were saying very similar things like it’s a good move becaue Guillen realizes it will help the team, so on and so on. The 2nd one, well, you obviously have this love for Fukodome. I dont get it, personally, but Fukodome is furthest from the type of player we need right now. He is essentially DDJ with a lot more star quality. Even with Guillen being a asshole, I’d still take 5 months of that over a full season of Fukodome.

by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And I never said that Guillen would be a good clubhouse guy

Never, never, never ever. But hey, if the lie is repeated often enough, maybe people will start believing it is true. That works for some politicians.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I saw them making out

I saw them in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There's also a picture of the Queen of England F'ing a donkey on the internet

Not on the same website though.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I remember many times during his hot streak in May/June

you saying something to the effect of: “He’s always been an asshole and always will be, but he can hit.” Not those exact words but, yeah, definitely not saying he is some great clubhouse guy

by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey Guillen smoochy lover boy....

I accept your concession per Godwin’s rule . Try to stop loving Guillen so much from here forward.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Jul 29, 2008 5:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think, JQ,

that those of who reserved judgment on Jome Run Jose were pointing out the recent trend that Guillen wasn’t a problem in Seattle, that personality stuff in baseball can be overblown, and that, accordingly, we shouldn’t judge the guy before he stepped onto the field for KC. I can’t speak for NYRoyal or anyone else, of course, but I can say I think I was fully aware that Guillen wasn’t a model citizen.

That things have turned bad now doesn’t make reserving judgment in April a better or worse course of action, in my opinion.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 29, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks NHZ

I was one who had heard the good things from Seattle and wanted to reserve judgement, and defended Guillen. I didn’t care too much about the previous blow ups because they weren’t that big a deal and in a few cases (babies) the things needed to be said. I also have thought that the fans have been pretty stupid for booing him when he’s obviously hurt. But this one is the last straw and I don’t like it when a player for my team doesn’t want to be on the team, or in the city. That is the kind of thing I can’t stand….c’mon, who doesn’t like KC? The fans are easy, the media is easy.

by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

From what I can tell, the KC media is a very reasonable group-at least in relation to the Royals-compared with some of the markets I’m used to following. Can you imagine if this stuff was going down in Boston? Jose Guillen would have his own section in the sports page tomorrow.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 29, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree,

I’ve tried to be a “Guillen guy” but if this is true, it’s really a downer. I don’t get where his relationship with HIllman went south. Last I heard he was defending Hillman whilst calling his teammates a bunch of babies.

The bad thing is, I think the Braves have decided to be sellers now, and the Yankees have already picked up Nady. Whom else among the contenders would he fit? The Angels (ha ha).

Seriously, the Mets, Phillies, Dodgers, whom else?

One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2008 4:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Impossible!

They are not speaking! :-)

"Greinke and the Brain" (R) (C) TM

by SittinByTheFoulPole on Jul 29, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe it was pinch-hitting

Maier for him as opposed to letting him hit and then pinch run Maier. Which was probably a better idea anyway, but he was hurt…

Don't Stop Believing!

by KC Chris on Jul 29, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Braves are sellers

But Guillen is not a rental. He has two more years. And from what I hear, the Braves want to compete next year.

We don’t have to shop him just to contenders.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Braves could bounce back,

I think, pretty well in 09 or late 08. They’re significantly underperforming their pyth record.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If Jose can't stand the boos out of a handful of KC fans

How in the world would he cope with the NY fans?

by Top Ramen on Jul 29, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

In the same way

He’d complain like a lot of Yankees and Mets have complained over the years.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Heck, if he thought he had it bad from KC fans before....

I imagine it’s going to be a lot worse for him from here on out.

by Top Ramen on Jul 29, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What does this mean?

“When Guillen signed with Kansas City he knew the team wouldn’t be a contender in 2008, but he was promised that moves would be made to build a winning team in 2009, said the source.”

Has he been told we’re not spending any money this winter?

Or is he just being irrational and emotional?

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:14 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm going with

the latter.

"Greinke and the Brain" (R) (C) TM

by SittinByTheFoulPole on Jul 29, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and it's funny

that one of the best ways for us to get better is replace a certain fairly average, injured oufielder…

Don't Stop Believing!

by KC Chris on Jul 29, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

man, don't tell NYRoyal

or he will get all up in Jose Guillen’s ass about being emotional and irrational and incessantly negative and overreaction and, and, .. :)

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by gordonfan on Jul 29, 2008 5:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've already talked with Jose about it

He didn’t react well.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 29, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They aren't on speaking terms anymore

To fall is not failure, failure is refusing to get up

by ksuroyals on Jul 29, 2008 11:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Or did he REALLY say these things?

My mother's basement is better than YOUR mother's basement!!

by Royal Kingdom on Jul 29, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder why he has played for more teams than seasons in the last couple years.

What can we get for him?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 29, 2008 4:15 PM EDT   0 recs

Not much I would think

He’s been in a major slump for a month, he’s hurt, he has re-established his reputation as a major clubhouse cancer, he makes a lot of money, and the Royals have two days to move him.

Our leverage is quite undercut.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Did anyone notice between innings during the game Saturday night?

They came back from break and there was a shot on Guillen and Gordon in the dugout. They were both looking up and either towards the stands or the entrance to the clubhouse, I couldn’t tell which. But he mouthed something that we couldn’t hear so we DVR’s it and he said, “You can kiss my fucking ass”, Gordon just turned his head and looked back at the field….who was he talking to? Probably a fan, but wtf? He can’t control himself enough to ignore a fan at home heckling him?

by I need more Esteban on Jul 29, 2008 4:19 PM EDT   0 recs

All right, so now

maybe we’ll stop hearing crap about Guillen’s amazing leadership. That would be nice. This sure doesn’t seem like a very gritty thing to do. Thankfully, he’s making up for that by sucking it up and playing through an injury. (sarcasm)

Guillen needs to wake up and smell the BBQ…he isn’t going anywhere unless the Royals keep paying a lot of his contract, and he’s the guy who got himself into KC for such a big payday in the first place.

Okay, so maybe Guillen hasn’t changed a bit since he was with the Angels, after all. I guess the lattes in Seattle had a calming effect on the guy that KC can’t reproduce.

JQ and others who weren’t thrilled about this signing – well, I’m having a hard time arguing with you right now.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 29, 2008 4:19 PM EDT   0 recs

FUCK JOSEY!!

Fucking Baby… all he does is cry cry cry like a little baby but then he calls others babies