Ross Gload haters post 2.......
by steve phillips on Jul 31, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
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PrintWhy does everyone hate on Ross Gload? The guy plays hard and has the best work ethic in the league. Sorry that he doesn't use HGH and can't hit 40 HR's a year. Because that's what it comes down to; the majority of power hitters use or have used HGH or steroids, and that's a fact. Sorry Gload doesn't believe in cheating. The only 2 guys on the Royals who are having good years are Guillen and Dejesus, and maybe Aviles or Grudz in that category. And Guillen certainly doesn't play hard. So why don't you guys hate on Teahan, or Gordon, or Maier, or Gathright, or Butler. I'm sick of seeing Gordon big-league everything. That guy thinks he's the truth and is really the false. Sure he's got potential, but he's not showing much of it now. Butler's had enough AB's to show that he has some power, and 6 HR's isn't showing power. He clearly used HGH in high school because he was a biggger guy, not a fat piece of junk like he is now. The only think Butler could beat Gload in is a pie eating contest. Butler looks like Bam Bam Bigalow in a baseball uniform. Teahan plays hard and seems like a good dude, but he doesn't have good numbers by any means. Why don't you hate on him? Butler was a number 1 draft pick and has 6 HR'S and is pathetic defensively; he might be able to pick a to-go pizza up, but not a baseball out of the dirt. Find something else to hate on, like Guillen's big mouth or lack of work ethic, or Gordon's big-leaguing attitude when he's an avg. player at best, or Butler's size 58 waist-size, or Pena Jr's awfulness, or Maier's suckyness, or Gathright's patheticness.
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Joel Joel Joel
Please post more.. i love a little humor for my day..
by the way.. ross gload doesnt play hard.. if he could walk the bases instead of running he would in a heart beat
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
Urge to kill rising
Worst OPS+ by a first baseman since 1969 (min. 300 PAs)
1. Tony Muser BAL 1976 – 62
2. Doug Mientkiewicz MIN 1999 – 66
2. Dan Meyer SEA 1978 – 66
4. Andres Galarraga MTL 1991 – 70
4. Todd Benzinger CIN 1990 – 70
6. Kevin Young PIT 1993 – 73
6. Ricky Jordan PHI 1990 – 73
8. Ross Gload KCR 2008 – 74
8. Doug Mientkiewicz MIN/BSN 2004 – 74
8. Pete O’Brien SEA 1990 – 74
8. Rich Reese MIN 1971 – 74
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 31, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
A distressing number of those names
have some relevance to the Royals, even if not in that specific year, or even in their playing career.
Kansas City must be something of a magnet for low-OPS+ first basemen. Max, do we have a link to that poem you wrote a few months ago?
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Ode to the Light Hitting First Baseman
Ode to the Light Hitting First Baseman
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
and here come the pretzels!
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by marbotty on Jul 31, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
+1
marbotty +Retro = good times
you the MAN, Joel
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jul 31, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Every day Ross plays
It is truly a dark day in baseball.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
ironically, it generates great stuff over here
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jul 31, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Troll! Troll! Troll!
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
Joel, I can never hate Ross Gload
As long as he keeps you visiting the site.
Any dude who uses Yokozuna AND Bam Bam Bigelow for Butler comparisons is alright with me. Screw VORP. Let’s get Vinnie Mac to run the team.
And if I didn’t know better, well, after Flanagan’s article today….Dayton Moore, is that you?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
but can you hate "on" him?
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Jul 31, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
dude!
I just posted about gload.. crazy
http://www.royalsreview.com/2008/7/31/583786/ross-gload-picked-up-an-ex
Why does everyone hate on Ross Gload?
Because he consistently sucks. End of message.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Joel
For some whacky baseball fans, actual performance on the field counts. And did you know that hitting is more important for a first baseman than fielding? Little known fact. And did you know that Rossy is the worst hitting first baseman in the majors? Think that’s important? He is a truly horrible first baseman. I mean his suckitude is epic. No one deserves to be “hated on” more than that complete and total loser (present company excepted).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Raise your hand if you played third base for South Florida?
That’s what I thought!
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
I played a little ball in my day.
Good enough to dream but not good like these guys.
by djk royal on Jul 31, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you thought wrong...
I played 1st base USF and got 7 ab's as a freshman and defensive replacement in about 10 games...if i used HGH like Bam Bam did in high school, I would've started USF.
by steve phillips on Jul 31, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So you were a defensive replacement 1B
No wonder you value Gload so highly. If only you understood the value of hitting…
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
you thought wrong.....
I played 1st base USF and got 7 ab's and 10 games defensively as a freshman before I got kicked off the team for doing prank phone calls to the girls softball team...If I would've used HGH like Bam Bam did in high school, I'dve started USF and got drafted.
by steve phillips on Jul 31, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Were you calling to tell them how good Ross Gload was?
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Jul 31, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha...
that was funny, i’ll admit that..i wish i was calling them to see how gload was, otherwise i wouldn’t have gotten the boot.
by steve phillips on Jul 31, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly, he raises at least one valid point
Why DO we pick on Gload so much?
Obviously, he is not a starting 1B and no one should expect that he would meet up with the standards set by most 1B in the league. I suppose he could say “No, Trey, I’m not going out there, I’m not good enough”. In other words, I think our complaints should be directed at Hillman for playing him or Moore for not providing a legitimate option to start at 1B. Ross is just an innocent bystander in all of this.
As for not meeting expectations, I’d certainly put several other players higher on my hit list than Gload (understanding that his expectations were low). Teahen and Butler certainly stand out as having much higher expectations than Gload with little more to show for it. Yet we don’t seem to generate the same animosity, despite Butler being a near guarantee for a GIDP and Teahen being one of the worst SO/HR ratios in the league.
I don’t relish seeing Gload out there and I’ve said as much as anyone that I’d rather see Butler get the starts while old man Guillen just hobbles up in the DH role. But let’s refrain from the “Gload sucks”, comments, because they aren’t really fair. You can’t blame a frog for smacking it’s ass on the ground because it doesn’ t have wings.
by Big Guy on Jul 31, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Obviously, he is not a starting 1B and no one should expect that he would meet up with the standards set by most 1B in the league
But he IS the Royals starting 1B. Therefore, he gets the blame for being the worst 1B in baseball. It’s like when Pena was the starting SS. He was the worst SS in baseball, so he gets the blame for that.
I think our complaints should be directed at Hillman for playing him or Moore for not providing a legitimate option to start at 1B. Ross is just an innocent bystander in all of this.
Should we not blame sucky players for being bad? Did you not blame Pena for being awful? And Nomo? Obviously when a bad player is getting too much PT, you also blame the manager for his bad decision in playing him. But that doesn’t divest the player from his accountability for being awful.
As for not meeting expectations, I’d certainly put several other players higher on my hit list than Gload
I don’t think the criticism of Gload has much to do with expectations. No one expected him to be particularly good. The criticism is that he’s been an unrelentingly awful hitter, for any position. For a 1B, he’s been epically horrendous.
But let’s refrain from the "Gload sucks", comments, because they aren’t really fair. You can’t blame a frog for smacking it’s ass on the ground because it doesn’ t have wings.
So we shouldn’t criticize any bad player for being bad? That’s a novel idea, and very odd.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
here's the thing
The Royals knew what Gload was when they signed him, and Hillman knows what he will do when he plays him (or at least lives in a fantasy world where he thinks he knows what he will do). So basically they paid to have Gload do what he does and Gload is doing that. I assume they wanted a guy with a goofy swing and no power or plate discipline who is a decent first basement, defense-wise. So barring any crazy expectations or delusions, they are getting what they wanted out of him. Needless to say what they are getting is really crappy baseballsmanship.
So it’s not that we shouldn’t criticize him for sucking, it’s just that it’s kind of pointless. Pretty much all the blame goes to the people who chose to use him. It’s like being pissed that you picked out a table knife to cut down a tree and it’s not working. Well, no shit.
How very odd
The Royals knew what Gload was when they signed him
He wasn’t anywhere near this bad when they signed him. He’s never in his career been as awful as he’s been this year.
So basically they paid to have Gload do what he does and Gload is doing that.
No, not at all. He’s hitting much worse this year than in the rest of his MLB career. They didn’t pay him expecting a .646 OPS when his career OPS before this season was about .750.
I assume they wanted a guy with a goofy swing and no power or plate discipline who is a decent first basement, defense-wise.
They wanted/expected a mediocre hitter, not an awful hitter.
So barring any crazy expectations or delusions, they are getting what they wanted out of him
Do you really think they wanted or expected a .646 OPS out of him? Or anything near that?
So it’s not that we shouldn’t criticize him for sucking, it’s just that it’s kind of pointless.
Criticizing the GM and the manager is just as pointless. Our criticisms have no effect on them. We can’t make Moore or Hillman do anything differently anymore than we can make Gload hit better.
Pretty much all the blame goes to the people who chose to use him.
That is truly bizarre. So you don’t criticize any players? Bad players deserve no blame, only the managers and GM’s who play them. You don’t think we should criticize Pena or Nomo or any of the Royals bad players? Beyond bizarre.
How about this, can we discuss and recognize how good or bad players are? Do yo have a problem with that? Isn’t that what we’ve done with regard to Gload? We’ve recognized that he’s awful and wished that he were off the team. No one is saying that he’s an asshole. No one’s saying that he punches old women or tortures kittens. We’ve said that he sucks and should be gone. Anything wrong with that?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah it's fine with me
I hate all kinds of stuff. Especially Gload. He can suck it. It’s just I assume he’s doing the best he can, or at least trying his hardest. So I’m not sure what’s left to criticize, other than swinging at everything. Should have been born with better baseball skills?
Geez
Can we just make a distinction between saying “I had Ross Gload, he’s a bastard,” (who is saying this?) and “Ross Gload sucks at baseball” (obvious to all non-South Floridians).
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jul 31, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, as far as personal characteristics, I don't give a shit
I don’t care if Guillen is an ass. I don’t care if Gload is a saint. I care what they do on the field. The hitting, the fielding and the base running. And when I say that Gload is awful, it’s about is .646 OPS, not that he doesn’t give enough money to charity or that he doesn’t treat his wife well.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't everybody doing the best they can?
Do you think the guys who are failing just aren’t trying? We’re not criticizing results; we’re criticizing performance. Pope, I really don’t get this at all. These guys are all trying hard and doing as best they can. Some are good, some suck and some are mediocre. We’re not criticizing Gload personally. We’re not talking about his character. We’re talking about how well he’s performing on the field. Are you saying we shouldn’t discuss how good or bad Royals players are?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Alex Gordon isnt trying because he doesnt throw his bat around and get all mad and just smirks!!!!!!!!!!111111
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jul 31, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And apparently Mark Teahen just doesn't want to play well
If only he really cared.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
no not really
I guess my point is I don’t think you can blame him for sucking. He just sucks, that’s how it is. And I’m not saying he’s playing any harder than anyone else; I assume they are all playing as hard as they can. I just was with the Big Guy up there that the blame is with the managers, not Gload.
I think you can blame players for their bad performances
I also think it makes sense to discuss how good, bad or mediocre players are.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this all might just be semantics or some sort of category mistake
The problem with Gload’s suckiness is that he sucks. In that sense, he is the only one who is “accountable” for his suckiness.
Yes, to be fair, he’s not underperforming his talent. So it isn’t a “moral” blame—he’s not a bad person. He’s not evil. He’s just bad at pro baseball.
It’s true we shouldn’t “hate” him for his lack of baseball ability - I’m going to go out on a limb and say that baseball or any other sport isn’t worth that. But we can say that he sucks and shouldn’t be starting. This is similar - a person with a low IQ (just buy into the idea of an IQ test even if you don’t like it for the sake of the example) can rightly be called “unintelligent.” That doesn’t make them a bad person worthy of disdain, like, say, a con-man. But that doesn’t mean we can’t say that the person is unintelligent.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jul 31, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
We can and should criticize Gload for his bad play, just as we can and should criticize Hillman for playing him way too much. But we don’t hate either Gload or Hillman. We just have a problem with how they are performing for the KC Royals.
So, in answer to Big Guy’s question, “why do we pick on Gload so much?” The answer is because he’s performing very, very poorly. We also criticize Hillman for playing him too much. It’s all really quite simple.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure we mostly agree
But it seems to me that there is a distinction between criticizing Gload and Hillman, on account of Hillman has a choice. Gload doesn’t have any alternative to sucking. I’m all for discussing how bad he is, but I still don’t see how you blame someone for being what they are. It makes as much sense as blaming him for not being taller.
How about this
but I still don’t see how you blame someone for being what they are. It makes as much sense as blaming him for not being taller.
Hillman is doing his best too, isn’t he? He’s exercising his best judgement and what he thinks is the best strategy. He is who he is. How can we blame him for not being a better manager? Right?
What we are “blaming” people for is their performance. We are recognizing a reality. Gload has performed badly. At least with regard to his decision to play Gload so much, Hillman has performed badly. We are describing reality.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
You could show Hillman evidence that his management strategies are not maxmizing the chance of winning. All he has to do is make decisions differently vs Gload having to do what? Swing his bat faster? See pitches better? All I can think of is be more selective, but I imagine you get to the point where it’s too late to change. No idea if that’s true about him or anyone. Yes I know he’s doing what 95% of baseball managers would do, but regardless of that he could easily do better.
It is fair to criticize anyone's performance
If Gload or Teahen or Hillman or Moore is doing something poorly (or well), it is fair and appropriate to point that out. If we think that are doing well or poorly, or if we think they are good or bad at their job, it certainly makes sense for fans to point this out and discuss it. I think suggesting anything else is beyond ludicrous.
Are you really saying we shouldn’t describe Gload’s performance as poor just because he’s doing his best and his playing up to his skill level?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
no dammit
I’m all for saying who is doing well and who isn’t. To me there’s a distinction between criticism and blame is all. I reserve blame for something that can be fixed, and that falls mainly with management. But maybe that’s just me…I have a feeling devil fings is right about this mainly being semantics.
We can just excise the word blame
...and say that Gload sucks and is a really, really bad baseball player.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the point he's getting at
is that Gload can’t just decide tomorrow to play better. It simply will not happen, no matter how desperately Ross tries. It is his “fault” he’s no good, from your perspective, but his presence in the lineup is not his fault.
Hillman, on the other hand, CAN decide tomorrow to say “screw this” and pencil Butler in at 1B. He is perfectly aware of Gload’s limitations, and chooses to continue playing him. Therefore, the lack of production received from the 1B position in the Royals’ lineup is Hillman’s fault, entirely.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
I'm sorry, but that last sentence just doesn't make sense
Therefore, the lack of production received from the 1B position in the Royals’ lineup is Hillman’s fault, entirely.
Entirely? It is never a manager’s fault entirely. It is both the fault of the manager and of the player who is sucking. Hillman deserves blame for that bad choice. Gload deserves blame for poor performance. In their own ways, both of them are performing poorly. To say that the player deserves no blame or accountability for the quality of his performance is ludicrous.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 1, 2008 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
You're wrong.
Do you not get this? Hillman has FULL control over the decision to play Gload. Hillman has a better set of options (most of which involve someone he’s suddenly desperate to find some playing time), and chooses not to use them.
Meanwhile, Gload cannot help the fact that he is being inserted into the lineup, unless your argument is that he should politely decline?
Straight up: YOUR argument is exactly like saying the bullet is just as much to blame as the shooter; the shoddy materials are just as much to blame as the corporate managers who chose to use them; the water is just as much to blame as the guy holding your head under it.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
Do you not get this? Hillman has FULL control over the decision to play Gload
Hillman has 100% responsibility for if he plays. Gload has 100% responsibility for how well he plays.
Meanwhile, Gload cannot help the fact that he is being inserted into the lineup, unless your argument is that he should politely decline?
Please Jon, you’re better than that. He must be held accountable for how well he performs.
YOUR argument is exactly like saying the bullet is just as much to blame as the shooter; the shoddy materials are just as much to blame as the corporate managers who chose to use them; the water is just as much to blame as the guy holding your head under it.
You don’t hold inanimate objects accountable for their performance. While Gload often hits like an inanimate object, he is in reality a walking, talking, swinging, missing, soft-ground-outing human being.
Hillman gets all the blame for playing him. Gload gets all the blame for how horribly he performs when he’s in the lineup.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 1, 2008 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
"You don’t hold inanimate objects accountable for their performance."
Yes, you do. Nobody says “Arggh, you crappy assembly-line workers in Detroit!” when their car breaks down.
You can “blame” Gload for being a bad player. You can’t “blame” him for proving it night after night with his performance. If you follow that logic, what it really means is that you irrationally and emotionally expect that by some miracle he might overcome himself and perform despite being unable to.
And from that perspective (and I can’t believe I’m about to say this, but it’s the truth) you may have to just back off and give him CREDIT, Scott. From June 14 to the ASB, his OPS was over .800. His OPS since he began starting every game is one point higher than Guillen’s is for the entire season. Obviously, he over-performing his abilities right now. You wanna “blame” him for that, too?
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
Yes, you do. Nobody says "Arggh, you crappy assembly-line workers in Detroit!" when their car breaks down.
So now you’re arguing both sides of the issue?
You can "blame" Gload for being a bad player. You can’t "blame" him for proving it night after night with his performance. If you follow that logic, what it really means is that you irrationally and emotionally expect that by some miracle he might overcome himself and perform despite being unable to.
I think that this is one of the most foolish and pointless intellectual and semantic games I’ve ever seen on this site. You are attempting to divest players for any responsibility or accountability for the quality of their play. I realize that the manager is responsible for the player getting playing time. But the player is also responsible for how well or how poorly he plays. It’s just that simple.
And from that perspective (and I can’t believe I’m about to say this, but it’s the truth) you may have to just back off and give him CREDIT, Scott. From June 14 to the ASB, his OPS was over .800. His OPS since he began starting every game is one point higher than Guillen’s is for the entire season. Obviously, he over-performing his abilities right now. You wanna "blame" him for that, too?
I give him full credit for how well he hit from June 14 to the ASB. I wish there were more of that. Here’s the crazy thing: when a player performs well, I recognize and applaud him for it. When a player performs poorly, I recognize and criticize him for it. Crazy, I know.
The failure of the Royals first basemen has been both because of the hitting failures of the various men who have played that position this year, and because of Hillman’s choice to overplay Gload.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 1, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, this is going nowhere, so I'm done.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 1, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't hate Gload,
just the manager that overexposes him, and the GM who lets a roster vacuum exist in which a manager feels that he must overexpose him.
I’m sure Gload is a fine guy and a good teammate. We all just wish he was a reserve guy limited to say 100 -150 PAs in a season. That’s a far cry from hating on him.
In Joel's view, recognizing that Gload sucks and pointing it out is "hating on him"
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I, for one, wish Ross the very best in his next career, whether it be coaching, broadcasting
playing in Mexico or selling insurance. But whatever it is, I just hope it happens quickly.
I don’t doubt that ol’ Ross is a real good guy, and if I got to know him, I’m sure I’d like on him.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Jul 31, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like Tony Pena, Jr.
Nice guy, fun to root for, fun to watch in the field. Just really poor hitters who are playing too much (or were, in the case of TPJ).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Jul 31, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
pena started yesterday....so he's still playing too much
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Aug 1, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Who deserves the most blame for Gload playing - Gload, Hillman, or Moore
I’d be inclined to say Moore edges out Hillman in terms of total blame assessed. Moore gave Hillman 2 options at 1B: Gload and Butler. One is a “gritty veteran” on a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract while the other has been described as a project at 1B and DH-only for now by the front office.
So while Hillman should probably make the swap between Butler and Gload, Moore should’ve (and still should) give him a better option that Ross Gload for the everyday 1B job.
+1
Ultimately, it’s DM’s responsibility to find someone else to play 1B and/or upgrade the team. Ross should definitely be held accountable, but he’s not going to suddenly “get better”. He should be held accountable by ultimately being taken out of the lineup and used appropriately, which is a backup/defensive replacement.
I hereby resign from this post.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 1, 2008 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
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