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I won't do it

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've got your overflow

Right here

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Has to be the hottest woman in her 40's on the planet

Maybe 30’s too.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, really?

Hotter than Hayek?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

catherine bell is 39

not in hayek’s league, but she’s on the squad

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think she's in Hayek's league

I think she’s one of the world’s truly drop dead gorgeous women. But I have a thing for curves.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 3:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(rimshot)

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beautiful

Diane Lane’s in a different class.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hayek Is Smokin

no way Lane beats her.

Lane has bugged me since Unfaithful

I know it was just a part but 

still makes me not trust her

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DING DING DING

That’s a winner!

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the Braves team chaplain

...according to sources close to the negotiation, at least.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right

it never does get old :)

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess it all goes to intent

Is the joke to ridicule Moore or to ridicule the concept of the joke itself?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so in internet talk

it’s a metajoke. We’re through the looking glass here, people.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately for most people, it isn't a metajoke

For many people, the “Moore is really only interested in Braves, former Braves and evangelical Christians” meme is a legitimate criticism. Repeat a goofy statement often enough and people will start to believe it is true.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you left off Mariners

This space intentionally left blank.

by marbotty on Aug 1, 2008 9:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweet Trade

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rob Neyer on ESPN chat

Says the Rays-Pirates deal has not been finalized. They’re still discussing which prospects the Pirates get.

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Jul 31, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope the Pirates hold out

for that bucket of seeds.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t mind if we keep Mahay… but we better trade him at the deadline NEXT year if we aren’t contending…..

But let’s move Grudz… Twins need a rental 2B…...

Olivo still is here…..

Am I missing anyone?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bannister

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Jul 31, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I'm a nihilist

Sell everyone except Buck, Gordon, Butler, Aviles and DeJesus out of the lineup.
Sell all pitchers except Meche, Greinke, Hochevar and Soria.

But all I’m saying is sell the used stuff and keep the goodies here.

You’re not getting anything of value for what the Royals would be selling. And I don’t want Pie for DDJ

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When come back

bring Pie!!

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Jul 31, 2008 3:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

less than 5 minutes…

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course a deal might not be released until late this evening, right?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You think we could get Huber back

put Guillen on the DL and have the 2006 dream outfield of Huber, DDJ and Costa?

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

45 seconds

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

make up a rumor

Guillen and Banny to the Mets for Beltran?

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

an uneventful 3 hours….

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know

I managed to get a lot of posting in.

I can’t normally get involved in game threads because my wife wants to “spend time with me” I gave her one of the Royals Porn calendars to no avail. However, August is the month that Smirky is on the wall so now I’ve got a chance.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously.

Not just for us trading zero people, but for no one trading anybody at all.

I mean, there were only three trades (and even the Bay deal isn’t official yet) today. I know there have been quite a few trades in the past week-or-so, but with the hundreds of lefty relievers bandied about (there were supposedly 10 teams interested in both Mahay and Ohman, although it looks like both aren’t going anywhere)...

Disappointing deadline, to say the least.

by rockchalk on Jul 31, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Adam Dunn for Guillen and Olivo… theres a made up rumor

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way

he doesn’t even like baseball and has none of the skills that we like to mock here.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

assuming, of course

that “grit” is a skill.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not a skill

It’s THE skill.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ya Even if Grudz/Olivo/Mahay all would've gotten traded for prospects

unless KC would’ve landed Gamel or something it wouldn’t match the Aug 15 day.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know

if it wasn’t for Gloady, Grudz would be the grittiest player we’ve got, IMO.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thankfully Grudz has grit + talent + performance

Gload has grit + __ ?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grudz actually has/had trade value, too

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To whom?

The only team I could see that might have a need is Minnesota. And Minnesota is familiar with Grudz’s physical condition and how he often sits when the Royals are on the road against a team with astroturf. His knees and back just can’t take regular play on that surface. So why would the Twins be interested in him? As much as we might want teams to line up to acquire Grudz’s grit, in reality there needs to be an opening at 2B from a team that plays on a natural surface half of its games.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true

All I meant was that, unlike Gload, it is conceivable that Grudz might be useful enough to someone get a prospect who might amount to something

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True, and if there had been a team with a need, hopefully he would have been traded

This winter will be Moore’s big test. If he re-signs Grudz, I’m going to be really disappointed in him. If he doesn’t go out and get a 1B upgrade (even a short-term stopgap) and relegate Gload to the bench, the offseason will have been a failure and he’ll have proven himself to be half of a good GM.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 4:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Worst case acceptable scenario: Gload gone, Grudz to first

That’s a joke. Mostly.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be funny and weird

...but a definite upgrade at first.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So depressing,

I’d almost be willing to accept the Royals shelling out moderate cash for a 1 year old guy who can at least be a league average 1B. Jeff Kent or something (OK, that would rule if both he and Jose were around—although I’m not sure how long the suspension is for murdering a teammate. I think it’s up to 15 games now)

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not really depressing

The fact that an aging, Grudz would be a big improvement over Gload at 1B shows you how easy it will be for the Royals to upgrade 1B. I’m not saying it will be easy for them to find a 115 OPS+ 1B. But it would be easy to find a guy much better than Gload.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm expecting

Someone other than Gload at first and Aviles at 2B.

SS is going to be a priority for Moore this offseason, I’m thinking. Callaspo isn’t a shortstop and I’m sure Moore and Hillman aren’t thrilled with Aviles’ defense though it has been better than expected for the most part.

I just think 1B is going to be a difficult hole to fill. There’s no one out there to sign except maybe Hinske and I don’t think he’s any kind of an answer.

So unfortunately we may get Gload by default.

The trade for Gload has been worse than I feared. I knew Buddy would play him every chance he could, but I had hoped for better judgment from Trey.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aviles needs to stay at SS

not because he’s great, but because his value is a lot less elsewhere, and he hasn’t been a total butcher so far. His OPS will almost certainly go down from its current great status. The Royals, even without Grudz, can at least play Callaspo there, and even German wouldn’t be the worst stopgap in the world (bad D, yes, but has shown that he’s a real offensive asset whenhe gets ABs [would also be better than Gload at 1st]. Unless there’s a good deal in trade, there’s no reasonable SS the Royals should puruse in the offseason—it’s either washed up dudes like Cabrera or players who will be way too expensive like Furcal (although maybe he can give Callaspo rides home).

The Royals needs a masher on the corners, even if Gordon and Butler do take big steps forward. Even a decent platoon partner for Teahen could really help things.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with everything you just said

but I’m not in charge and the people who are put a LOT of emphasis on defense up the middle. Add to that the fact that Aviles’ defensive issues involve throws and I can see the case being made that a 2B with a 750 OPS and decent defense is a good fit for Money Mike.

I’m not necessarily saying it’s the right move, I just think it’s a likely one.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1B
I just think 1B is going to be a difficult hole to fill. There’s no one out there to sign except maybe Hinske and I don’t think he’s any kind of an answer

Other than Dunn moving to 1B, there are some second tier options. Someone who can handle the position for a year or two and not embarrass himself or the team.
So unfortunately we may get Gload by default.

Hell, there are journeymen who would be a significant upgrade over Gload.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's your FA list

I would agree that virtually all of these names might look better than Gload’s but that’s a pretty thin crop.

First basemen
Sean Casey (34)
Tony Clark (37)
Carlos Delgado (37) – $16MM mutual option for ‘09 with a $4MM buyout
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Jason Giambi (38) – $22MM club option for ‘09 with a $5MM buyout
Eric Hinske (31)
Doug Mientkiewicz (35)
Kevin Millar (37)
Richie Sexson (34)
Mark Teixeira (29)

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lots of choices there

And that doesn’t even include journeymen who could probably manage a 95 OPS+. Unless we get Teixeira (which we won’t) or Dunn and he agrees to move to 1B, then we won’t be getting any cornerstones off of the FA market. But we could get a useful, short-term player who would be a big upgrade.

And then there are the infinite trade possibilities.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hinske wouldn't be the end of the world if he came cheap

And he can play multiple positions (although none great). Platoon him with a righty at first, or have Butler play more first (a good idea in any case) and move him around.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd take Hinske

though he’s pretty inconsistent. I shouldn’t have looked that up. Now I’ll have nightmares about Dougies return.

All the while people will be telling me that he’s better than Gload.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 5:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't mind Hinske at all

As long as you sit him against some tough lefties, his OPS+ should be over 100.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 5:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe my standards are too high

I should read that post about how Gload is historically bad again . . .

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would love to have a 1B who is at league average for the position

But those aren’t easy to find. Some of those FA’s would fill the bill. Some would not. But we can make a big upgrade over Gload pretty easily.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 5:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

let's hope

we’re three years away from Hosmer making 1B a strength.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 5:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe four years

Maybe Kila can continue to surprise in the minors and be ready for KC in 2010. Dreaming now.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not dreaming, the baseball Gods OWE us

something for slipping through the “steroid era” without so much as a hint of a big time power hitter…its payback time.

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Jul 31, 2008 5:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Other than signing Teixiera

I’d rather see Shealy get a chance.

by jbrocato on Jul 31, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You'd rather give Shealy a chance than sign any of those guys other than Tex?

Shealy is likely a low-to-mid 700’s OPS hitter. He’s no answer at 1B. He’s not even a good stopgap. He’s basically like Gload was before this year.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought he was good in 2006

and I thought he had injury issues in 2007. I certainly think he deserves a real second shot.

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Jul 31, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was ok in 2006

.783 OPS, for an OPS+ of 100. And he did have injury issues in 2007. But I think he’s shown that his talent and upside are limited. And for a guy his age who has spent more than a little time in AAA, he’s only hitting ok at that level this year. I think he deserves another shot this year, and I wouldn’t mind having him on the team next year. But I wouldn’t turn my back on genuine upgrades like Dunn or Hinske just so we can give Shealy a shot in the hopes that he suddenly blossoms at age 29.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

platoon partner for Hinske

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Works for me

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's an OFer who has played some 1B

The question is whether he’d be willing to sign with a team with the understanding that he’d be that team’s starting 1B.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 2, 2008 12:04 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously? Is that it?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,

you never know. But also, there are a lot of trades that get discussed, even agreed to in principle that never actually go through. For example, you being traded to Stephen A. Smith’s blog.

Time to lifeguard. Joy.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 31, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is worse disrespect than the Sox showed Pedro!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eek

I had no idea you’d take it this hard, Petey.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 31, 2008 9:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who is Joy?

is she a private student?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2008 10:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The new flake :p

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Aug 1, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry to hear that

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Aug 1, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kidding, kidding

Joy is not a person. There was another pretty lifeguard there, though. Good for me.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Aug 1, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BREAKING NEWS !!!

I’ve hit a new low

following a uneventful trade deadline for 8 hours today

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 4:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not fair

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Jul 31, 2008 4:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bwa ha ha ha

enjoy Dodger Stadium, Manny

by BHWick on Jul 31, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

That’s the kind of deal that hurts the Dodgers and Manny.

I’d love to get Kent’s reaction . . .

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hurts the Dodgers?

who are the minor-leaguers

Manny was great in Boston, but having Bay this year and next will help the Sox a great deal… at a cheap price. That’s a hell of an outfield

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK
The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.

From Rosensquirrel

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so i guess we can’t trade mahay for moss now….

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damien Moss?

I assume that is Brandon Moss as there is no “Damien Moss” in professional baseball.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 4:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Robothal

is half-remembering a shitty young pitcher who came up through the Braves organization before flaming out in Baltimore and Tampa at a time where both organizations needed pitching. It’s a FOXsports specialty to goof up this way.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 31, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, this is really good for the Bosox

Either this was Manny’s last year with the Sox or they pick up his option for $20M for next year. This way, they get a really good OFer for this year and next for much less money.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hurts the Dodgers

because “Manny being Manny” is going to sink that clubhouse and Dodger Stadium plays a lot bigger than Fenway. Weaker NL pitching may help the hitting but I figure Manny’s other deficiencies are going to be amplified in that setting.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As you may have heard

I don’t follow the NL that much. I knew Bay had been good, but was surprised at how good.

I see wanting Manny, but why didn’t they ever give LaRoche a chance in LA? Any other reason than the usual stupid Snakeskin Boots crap? Isn’t he still considered a good young player?

Dumb stuff.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LaRoche...uh...

doesn’t look like he’ll hit 30 homers? I got nothing. Hey! At least the LaRoche family gets to see both of their sons on the same team.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 31, 2008 9:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's up with LaRoche, though?

Seriously, really, is is just the Colletti magic at work?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 9:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

though to be fair, I think the concerns about LaRoche’s power are appropriate, just not enough to write the guy off as a good 3B.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 31, 2008 9:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gagne just got thrown out for throwing behind Edmonds…. nice

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Performance Enhancing Drugs don't help anyone.

Gagne’s MPH has gone from 98 to 92 tops. 

I guess they didn't help Barry either.

Stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's also had some health issues...

but to say PEDs dont help is ridiculous

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jul 31, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Health issues because he got off of them….

Played with a kid from Seminole CC… said Gagne popped stuff all the time

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

???

Is this on TV, the radio, or what? I’m at a library

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wasn’t the sole reason…. but when you get off that stuff your body has to produce stuff for itself once again… usually takes a few months… if not more than a year…. When Gagne got to Seminole he was 88-90.. . by the end of the first year he was 94-95…. gained 30 lbs… In 8 months…..

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

injuries and PEDs are easier

to see in the aggregate than in individuals.

For instance, I’d LOVE to see a study corellating PED use and achilles tears in pro athletes. 15 years ago you NEVER saw that type of injury.

Well, except Dan Marino and he’s a jerk anyway.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Games on WGN… Gagne claimed it was an accident…. no argument from his manager…It’s the top of 9. Edmonds has 2 HR today…

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My internet was out all pm...

it was horrible.
if selma hayek had a chicago accent that would be just perfect.

One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 31, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the little known female chicago accent

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Jul 31, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it would be well known

if Selma spoke it.

Don't Stop Believing!

by KC Chris on Jul 31, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really dispointed in dayton that he didnt at least move mahay

mahay is more valuable for 1.5 yrs than as a .5 yr rental

i knew we’d be stuck with gruz, hell, he’ll probably be around for another 4 years

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Jul 31, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What makes you think he didn't even try to move Mahay?

I’m sure he talked to many teams about Mahay.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we'll never really know

but considering almost no relievers got moved, he was either too stubborn or the asking prices were all just remarkably low

i’d rather play the lottery with prospects who could make a leap - even if its a 1% chance - than waste time with Grudz and Mahay

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Jul 31, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d say Mahay is worth 4 to 5 wins the rest of this year. He’s done a great job. AND the young pitchers will learn from him out in the bullpen.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 4:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Teams just aren't giving up much of anything decent for non-closer relievers in deadline trades anymore

Dumping a good reliever you have for 1 1/3 seasons doesn’t make sense unless you get a good return. I have a feeling Moore wasn’t offered anything particularly good.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 4:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the thing

recall all the great hypothetical deals we had last year for Dotel and the Royals got Kyle Davies?

That’s the upside of a middle reliever deal in this market and Moore had an angle on Davies that he didn’t have with other teams.

The market isn’t there right now. Middle relievers aren’t seen as the piece to take a team over the top.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

teams are gettings smarter

Not a big Davies fan, but his VORP is currenlty higher than Jose Guillen’s. Hopefully for the Royals, that changes in Guillen’s favor.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 5:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Davies has shown that at age 24, he's developed into

At least a pretty good #5 SP or a pretty good long reliever. That’s useful.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup. That's sort of what I was saying

I just wish that Dayton hadn’t turned down that Dotel-for-Longoria deal. :(

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 5:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is that serious?

did he really have that deal? that can’t be…

perhaps we can do mahay for braun

One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 31, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was joking

That wasn’t even one of the crazy rumors that was circulating.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 5:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's true. All things are possible.

And, according to Einstein, there is a parallel dimension for each possibility. So there is a universe where we traded TPJ for ARod and Gload for Pujols.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 5:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Given the circumstances

I’d say it was a good deal, getting a pitcher with a big frame and a somewhat live arm for Dotel. It wasn’t meant as a slam at all. But it seems like this time last year people thought we were getting Ben Franscisco for him.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 5:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

People were buying every rumor that was floating

Dotel for Francisco
Dotel for Hu
Dotel for Balentien

Interesting rumors always float around, and the reality is usually more… realistic.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 5:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's because

royals tradition flies in the face of…

tradition

One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 31, 2008 5:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m glad we stil have Mahay becuase that means we didn’t sell for something that won’t help us.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Don't Stop Believing!

by KC Chris on Jul 31, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still a chance to move him in the offseason for a full year

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 4:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was hoping to find some good stuff on 2B. I checked stats from the Brewers 2B position since the Durham trade…. .270, hr, 5 2Bs, 11 r, 4 rbi, 2-3 on sb, 6 BB:13K.

Then I checked Durham since the trade…. .250, 3 2Bs, 4 r, 0 rbi, 1 BB:5 K.

SO i decided I’d analyze Grudz to see what the Brew Crew was missing out on. Just to spite them because we didn’t move Grudz…. .226, 4 2Bs, 1 R, 3 RBI, 7K:0 BB….

I just got really depressed deciding that Grudz had kicked it into autopilot to await his deal… but the good news is, with him going to be a FA after the year, he’ll have to pick it up or everyone will think he’s done. So we should see some production out of him the next two months…

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Prince Fielder just got tossed…. He popped up and like the Prince he is he slammed his bat in front of the plate and shattered it….. the Milwaukee fans are booing him. He seems to think it’s the umpires fault for him popping up. 

He's a real winner.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Cubs

are going to run away and hide.

. . . a weary nation turns to Gil Meche

by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2008 5:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, lame deadline.

But,
I’m glad we all learned something usefull today.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Jul 31, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This

is
never going to get annoying.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Jul 31, 2008 4:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My use of

sarcasm has 

Always been misunderstood.

I give up.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Jul 31, 2008 5:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now it works suddenly...

stupid, stupid, stupid…..I hate computers. : >{( <—-(Giambi stache?)

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Jul 31, 2008 5:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well... i gotta run...

got a alumni picnic thing through the wief-to-be…

we’ll be in touch

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2008 4:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and stay patient with the site

basically the entire internet is about to implode right now

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here is a Question for the prospect followers

What would you feel about KC maybe sellin low on a guy like Mahay. I was at the Omaha game and a guy like Freddy Sandoval kind of stands out for Salt Lake. He’s about to turn 26 isn’t in any of the Angels Top 20 prospect list but did play at the futures game last year. He isn’t a top prospect and essentially could be blocked by Wood who probably would develop into a 3b. Don’t know if you could do the deal or not but maybe clear some salary and find a diamond in the rough a Switch hitter you could probably move to 1b. I’m not sure the Angels would even consider this type of deal but if it was open to KC what would you guys think. Purely hypotheticals of course.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Selling low for Mahay

By that, I assume you mean giving him up for very little. That’s the kind of thing we can do 11 1/2 months from now. Even if Mahay is only having an ok season, a lefty reliever rental can get you the kind of non-prospect you mentioned above.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 9:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the record, I'm not speaking to the wisdom of acquiring this particular player

I don’t know anything about him, so I don’t know if he’s any good. But if we are interested in a player of his low reputation, we can flip Mahay for such a player at the deadline next year. (Or hopefully someone a bit better).

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 9:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And wouldn’t be be blocked by, um, I dunno, I can’t remember, but I thought the Royals might have a guy at third
You wouldn’t play him at 3b.

Maybe we have tried this strategy with someone else (Shealy) and it wasn’t a good move. Just don’t know I would think half of Mahay’s good value is the fact that he isn’t a rental. What relievers were moved and what all did they bring? Maybe this year is a switch after watching guys like Dotel get injured that rental relievers aren’t a commodity so if you want something for them you might have to take a risk. I wish one could find out what REALLY was on the table.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 9:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish we could, too

Donald would have been awesome, but I’m guessing (and just guessing) that was, at best, what the Royals asked for, and the Phillies just said “no.”

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 10:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Typically even a reliever rental can get you a top 20 prospect in someone's system

Someone in the second 10. In just about any system, once you get to #15, you’re almost certainly not talking about a good prospect.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 10:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So who did we pick up?

Did we get Francisco Liriano for Grudz? Phillip Hughes for Bannister? Colby Rasmus for Jimmy Gobble?

Oh, and “Dark Knight” is friggin amazing.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jul 31, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes it is

I wish I had seen it under different circumstances. I kind of want to go see it again now.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 31, 2008 9:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Terrible. Date. Movie.

Tells women that going for a decent, non-maniacal, good guy gets you killed

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 9:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't be so dramatic

it’s got some scary parts. Scary movie + clingy date = golden. Of course, though no real fault of my own that formula didn’t work that time. Next time.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 31, 2008 9:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not being dramatic. YOU'RE being dramatic. I hate you.

I was just teasing you a bit.

I’m still bitter that Wayne is such a jerk and Rachel still makes good-guy Harvey the fallback.

I DO think it was a bit pretentious in its nihilism. Just a bit, but that’s why I liked Iron Man better—better sense of its silliness.

And Black Sabbath>>>generic Batman music.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 9:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is the thing

The Dark Knight was REALLY good, but it definitely took itself very seriously.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 31, 2008 9:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The director wants to get away from

the campiness of the last group of Batman films. IMO

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 10:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Don't be afraid to use your nails boys!"

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jul 31, 2008 10:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not saying I didn't like it. I did. AND it was good.

But Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne is SO serious that he came off a bit Dwight-Schrutish. I’m pretty sure that’s not what they’re going for.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 10:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bale was better in Batman Begins

I just think with Ledger’s performance it would’ve taken a young Oscar winning actor to not get lost and Bale is not quite that.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 10:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about John Bale?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Jul 31, 2008 10:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he broke his hand during the audition

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2008 10:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whiner

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2008 10:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He just looked intriguing

Good plate discipline, switch hitter lookin at his stats he has performed well at the two more competitive leagues he’s played in. I just don’t know what a lefty reliever really can get you currently. Mahay is very very solid but KC isn’t lookin to contend in ‘09 so if you could free up 4 million and get a minor leaguer who is blocked and performing. I don’t think that would be a downright horrible move just seems like either Mahay and other pitchers are drawing much interest. Or maybe DM thinks differently of this club.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe you could get him for a 4th of'r

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not try in the offseason instead?

Still high value (barring a collapse at the end of this year), and free to deal with anyone without waiver problems. Could probably get a little more.

I feel like the Royals aren’t at a point when they need to be selling off decent players just to get back “good bench guys.” That’s a contender move. The Royals don’t need more Ross Gloads and Joey Gathrights. Sure, they won’t get a Greinke or Gordon for Mahay, but they might get younger prospect who can turn into a starter or position player down the road.

Like I said, that’s just me. I don’t know this Sandoval guy, but at 26 and at 3b he seems to old and not meeting the Royals needs at the moment. LIke I said, though, you know way more than I do about him.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 9:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The best time to move a guy like Mahay is mid-season

In the offseason, there are many FA’s on the market, so most teams would rather just sign a guy, rather than have to give up talent for him as well as pay his salary. During the season, there’s more scarcity, and more motivated buyers from teams thinking they are in contention who have found out that their bullpens are light.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know what you guys are talking about is the Right strategy and the Safer move.

I was just thinking that really for KC to become a contender fast that have to catch lightning in a bottle. Just looking at a move like this (not saying just Sandoval but that type of profile) frees up 4 million to put towards FA and gets you a productive player at a low salary and doesn’t hurt you really towards your true goal of 2010

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess the question is whether he can play SS overall better than Aviles

‘cause there’s plenty of 2Bs in the system, 3B is taken (or it had better be—if Gordon doesn’t develop, then 2010 is out of the question. Same for Butler, to a lesser extent). Or can he hit well enough to play first and be at least league average? Or an outfield corner?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 10:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sandoval's cube page

here

I dunno much about evaluating minor league numbers. The PCL is a hitters league, right? ANd I think Salt Tale (if I remember) is a hitters park. Still, just looking at the numbers, he’s got OK (not great, but not bad) patience, OK K rate, decent power. I wonder why we don’t hear more about him. Just because of Wood? He turns 26 on August 16.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 10:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More

Didn’t make Sickel’s top 20 list. One poster there says Sandoval “is an organizational guy, average all the way around, doesn’t really have a plus tool that would make him an everyday guy, especially at third base. . . no idea why he was in the futures game last year”

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 10:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ya I read that too

BA had him as a good defensive 3b and thought he might need to try 2b. I’m just saying that type of profile.

KILA NOW !!!!
2-3 1 HR 1bb tonight

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 10:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kauhale Holo

Home translated in hawaiian is kauhale
Run = Holo

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 10:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The other question is

not where he ranks in the Angels Loaded farm system but where would he rank in the Royals. After looking at KC’s Top 20 you would have to say he might be in the Top 15. After this years production probably Top10

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 10:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From what I could find on him

he sounds like he might be pretty good on both corners—sounds like more of a 1B/3B than a 2B/3B defensively, if that makes any sense.

But, hey, if he can OPS 800+ for the Royals, I say stick him at first.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 10:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cheap younger alternative to Gload

Just a hypothetical, I’m sure his type isn’t the rarest thing in the world. From what I’ve been reading these college kids who don’t skip levels seem to get labeled as non prospects.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are a lot of organizational guys and marginal prospects like Sandoval

And there are a lot of guys who have hit like Sandoval at those ages at those levels and never amounted to much in the majors. One of them is Ross Gload who routinely raked in the minors.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 11:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to say that I agree with what RR wrote many hours ago

this has definitely, without doubt

been the best day of my like

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kila's Line Tonight

3-4 1 Hr 2 Singles 1 Bb 4 Rbi’s

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 10:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KILA NOW !!!

What more does the guy got to DO 1.611 OPS come on FO.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm…

Needs more Caught Stealings to make the bigs

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2008 10:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's being Huberized

The Royals are ruining another great, young baseball player.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 11:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

must....

play….Ross…Gload….for….his….amazing…..glove…

which isn't as good as they make it out to be
but is on pace to have a historical season...
......historically bad.

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 31, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, I think Ross Gload's defensive work this season has been great

But of course that doesn’t really matter much. It’s just so predictable what will happen if Kila has a good month in AAA. People will not only be clamoring for him to be the Royals first baseman next year, they will also be claiming that we are wasting “another great prospect” by leaving Kila in AAA. If Huber were playing first base everyday for the Royals right now, people would be complaining about him about as much as they are complaining about Gload. Because.they.both.suck. Let’s have a little patience with Kila.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO YOU DOUCHE

KILA NOW OR ELSE

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 1, 2008 3:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In all seriousness

it is nice to see him get off to a good start. Should Wake up Shealy even more after his good month .347 BA 4 Hr’s. Stodolka adds to the overload of AAAA type OF’s in the Royals system. Studolka hit .400 with the month with a .494 OBP

Maier, Costa, Lube, Stodolka to go with Joey G and Mark T. kinda depressing

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2008 11:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love that Kaaihue is having a great year

And if he hits well in AAA overall from now until the ASB next season, I would start seriously considering calling him up to the majors. He still has a lot to prove. I want him to be great, or even good. But I’m not going to just assume he’s turned a corner in his professional career. He needs to do this again next season in AAA (or at least hit well). All too often prospects come out of nowhere to have uncharacteristically good seasons and get your hopes up, only to be dashed the next year when they come crashing back to reality. I don’t want that to happen to Kaaihue, but it could.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jul 31, 2008 11:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously now

Let him enjoy the cosmopolitan culture of Nebraska’s greatest city for now, maybe give him a sip of coffee in September if he’s still on a tear. Then, get him on the 40 and see what happens in spring training. If he goes nuts in Arizona, too, then THINK about opening day; otherwise, start him in Omaha, and if he’s still overmatching PCL pitchers in May, then you bring him up and feed him to the wolves.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 1, 2008 3:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with most of that

What I have a problem with is seriously considering him for the 25-man roster on opening day. That would have him going from AA to AAA to the majors in three months of real baseball games (July-AA, August-AAA, April-MLB). Regardless of what he does in the thin air of Arizona, I would be confident that he’s being rushed. I think he would likely struggle in the majors and then have to be sent down to AAA anyway. Let him prove himself in AAA for at least a few months. I don’t think one month of AAA play this year plus spring training is going to tell us enough about him. And if he’s actually going to be good enough to contribute in the majors, let’s not rush him. I really don’t want this organization overreacting to meaningless spring training numbers and rushing him to the majors (particularly if it means rushing him to the bench in the majors. If this guy is a genuine prospect, then he needs to be playing everyday somewhere, not riding the pine).

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2008 4:13 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa there time out.

I never said anything about numbers. You never do anything with anyone based on spring-training numbers.

You can, however, do things based on observation. If the guy really is mashing, and the coaching staff can see that the approach is sound and the ability is there, that’s what counts. Spring training is the one point where numbers have absolutely zero meaning. And to be completely blunt, unless “we’re” actually watching every spring training game somehow what happens in spring training tells “us” absolutely nothing. “We” are completely at the mercy of the organization, whether it’s seeing that Nunez was going to be good, or whether it’s thinking they see that Tomko will. “We” have no idea whatsoever.

Every year, there’s players who nobody even expected to make the big-league roster who earn starting jobs in ST and are revelations. Every year. Do I expect it? Of course not. That’s why it’s “players who nobody even expected.”

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 1, 2008 6:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok

Let’s say he has a great August in AAA and a cup of coffee in September. And then in spring training, the coaching staff and FO loves how he looks. In that case, would you be in favor of him making the 25-man roster but not as the starting 1B or DH? Let’s say that the Royals go out and get someone to play first base (Dunn, Hinske, someone through trade, etc.), which would give the Royals clear starters at 1B and DH. Would it make sense to have Kila on the team as a bench player? Wouldn’t it make more sense to have him playing everyday in Omaha unless and until there is an opening for regular playing time for him in KC?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2008 2:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we land a big bat for 1B

Then he should stay in Omaha, absolutely.

If not, I wouldn’t object to him making the roster (assuming, of course, he impresses enough) as a bench player, with the assumption he’ll have the opportunity to rack up PT. Of course, there’s the Gload Fascination to contend with there, so I’d throw in the caveat that the organization would have to be telling us “we intend to give him plenty of PAs.”

But no, of course not. If he’s just going to sit on the bench and rot, he shouldn’t be up. NO player should, period, not even TPJ. That’s called “a waste of a roster spot,” regardless of one’s prospect status.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 1, 2008 5:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok, I think we're mostly in agreement
But no, of course not. If he’s just going to sit on the bench and rot, he shouldn’t be up. NO player should, period, not even TPJ. That’s called "a waste of a roster spot," regardless of one’s prospect status.

My point is that most bench players are going to get limited playing time. And you don’t develop a player by giving him limited playing time. So, if his role on the MLB team would be limited, he needs to be in Omaha. For instance, if his role is starting one game a week, plus two pinch hit PA’s a week, then he should definitely be in Omaha instead.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2008 6:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course.

I wasn’t saying the ONLY reason he shouldn’t be up just to sit on the bench is because it’s a waste of a roster spot. I was adding an extra reason why it’s a bad idea. If he’s a “prospect” in the organization’s eyes, he’s got to play regularly.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 1, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kila's MLE projection

is a little bit underwhelming

.245/.357/.456, giving an OPS of .813.

I don’t have a lot of experience with the site I used to generate these,
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/mlecalc.html
but that seems like a surprising drop in avg. (P.S. I combined his two games’ stats from Omaha in with his AA stats.)

Now if Kila can put up similar numbers in AAA compared to AA, then his major league line improves to .259/.365/.496, which is closer to the projection that I would have expected.

Maybe it’s projections like these that cool the FO’s jets on rushing Kila through the system.

by benfunke on Aug 1, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Kaaihue keeps his plate discipline high enough to manage a .357 OBP

then I can live with that drop in batting average. A .456 slugging % is a bit on the low side for a first baseman, but that still represents a huge upgrade over what we have now in Ross Gload. For the time being, at least, I can live with a line like that from our first baseman

At this point, I think this is the time to give Shealy one last chance (he and Butler can split AB’s at first while Gload rides the pine). If, in two months of at least somewhat consistent AB’s, Shealy shows that he still can’t cut it, I would be fine with cutting bait on him in the offseason, and letting Kaaihue and Stodolka split AB’s in Omaha to start 2009.

What I am curious about is what people say about Kaaihue’s defense. If he ends up making the bigs, I’m willing to bet that Butler is stuck being a full-time DH.

by DarthYoshi on Aug 1, 2008 2:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FYI, Aviles's MLE would have been

.293/.319/.529, which is pretty spot-on. we can hope his .325 AVG lasts, but .293 with an .850 OPS seems like a pretty accurate projection.

by benfunke on Aug 1, 2008 12:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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