Game 87 Open Thread - Royals (39-47) at Rays (52-32)
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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Kansas City Royals at Tampa Bay Rays, Jul 4, 2008 5:10 PM EDT
I liked "Devil Rays" better. "Tampa Bay Rays" sounds awkward and the Rays comes out too short sounding.
For today's battle it's Brian Bannister (4.88 ERA) versus Edwin Jackson (4.33 ERA) o the 4th of July. Why are so many young Rays good now? I thought that was supposed to take years? Evan Longoria is hitting .275/.348/.528. While I'm pulling hard for the Rays in the AL East, I'm also a bit resentful than they became good before the Royals ever did, and in fact look much much stronger. Just thinking about it informally, the Royals are probably three good no-miss draft picks away from where Tampa is right now.
Since my research area is American poetry 1770-1800, nearly all of which is essentially patriotic propaganda, I really wanted to post something from one of my guys today on RR. Unfortunately, I'm just too overwhelmed by all the nearly identical choices, most of which are actually fairly long and hard to quote in a short snippet. Oh, well. A good book on the history of patriotic celebrations and festivals in the United States is David Waldstreicher's In the Midst of Perpetual Fetes- The Making of American Nationalism, 1776-1820. (Amazon link) Fetes describes the battles between the Federalists and Republicans/Anti-Federalists to define and claim various early national holidays, parades, odes, toasts, etc. My loyalties, of course, are with the guys who lost, the Anti's. Although the Federalists did get a nice beat-down in 1800, with the Jefferson landslide.
But we have Rays-Royals, so none of this matters.
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first!
4th place 08 baby! Baby steps (Thanks, Jose Guillen!) is the name of the game.
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 4, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My dad's book
which is finally getting published sometime soon (he’s a history buff), has a lot on the downfall of the Federalist party. Interesting stuff.
And, oh yeah, let’s kill Edwin Jackson dead.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Since the game isn't interesting...
...yet in terms of offense (at least for the Royals): Have all the anti-Federalists been reincarnated in the last 8 years as Supreme Court justice nominees? I wonder all current nominees have to write first-rate early Republic poetry? – TL
by timlacy on Jul 4, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Dead Jackson" Is
A great band name.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 4, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just watched Bissinger v. Leitch
for the first time. “Fetus-faced douchebag” has to be one of the funniest descriptions I’ve ever heard. How can you not like blogs after seeing that?
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 4, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the best part
hearing bob costas say, ” So long fuckface!”
by gilmeche55 on Jul 4, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Line-up looks actually, pretty good to me. Lets hope theres an avilanche in tampa today!
D DeJesus CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 .321
M Grudzielanek 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 .315
A Gordon 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 .262
J Guillen LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 .280
B Butler DH 0 0 0 0 0 0 .275
M Teahen RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 .252
R Gload 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 .260
J Buck C 0 0 0 0 0 0 .246
M Aviles SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 .291
by cfizzle on Jul 4, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Gator is going with the Abe Lincoln, perhaps a tribute to Soria, or, Abe Lincoln on Independence Day?
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 4, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bannister looking horrible, defense isn't helping.
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if anybody is listening
to the radio broadcast, but Bob is totally Bobgasming over the Rays, it’s really f@cking annoying. Relax, buddy, they’re not the ‘27 Yankees.
That said, our pitchers need to pull their heads out of their collective asses. They can’t keep putting the team in holes and expecting the offense to get back in it.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 4, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is uuuuuuuuuuugly
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i bet they are happy,
that they can relax against the royals after a tough series with the sawks
by cfizzle on Jul 4, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we sure are
making it easy for them. this reminds me of our series last year against the Brewers.everything goes right for the bad guys.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 4, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bannister lobbing up meatballs isn't exactly hurting their cause
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes indeed. He has looked very very bad ever since that first STL start.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, but
the DP in the first for us was fortunate for them.
I can’t remember seeing another team whose pitching was so streaky.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 4, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bannister is garbage
he should be designated for asignment after this start
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 4, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tremendous inning for banny
he’s inspired us all
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, he almost exploded
i learned a lot just from his example
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is looking like he stole some notes from DCabrera
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Aviles chases again, not looking any better
Bad inning
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
aviles' last four games
.158/.200/.158
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He looked pretty tentative in that AB
Took the fat pitches, swung at the bad one
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which, amazingly, is still better than TPJ's first month.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 4, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It couldn't have...
...been any worse after that first inning. – TL
by timlacy on Jul 4, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Realized his BABIP was going to be very high this game
Due to the unfortunate randomness that is luck, so he’s become a strike out pitcher
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 balls put into play by the Rays, 5 going for hits
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buck, what the fuck?
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...reminds me of a high school team running at will
on a catcher with no chance of throwing anyone out
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened?
...No TV coverage here in Chicago. – TL
by timlacy on Jul 4, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
upton steals 2b....buck throws into CF...again
Throw was into the runner…Aviles couldn’t dig it out….we didn’t have anyone to back up the throw bc of the shift on Pena
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh.
...When do you think the Royals will tire of Buck? – TL
by timlacy on Jul 4, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think a lot of people in the org like him
I really cant recall ever hearing anything negative about the guy
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. he's never been brutal. simply tolerable.
he hsn’t been able to throw anyone out this year….that’s frustrating though.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but it...
...seems like his offensive ability is a shade below what we might want. I do like his power when he’s on. I guess all that matters, ultimately, is that he’s on the same page with McClure and our pitchers. – TL
by timlacy on Jul 4, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random Aside: Anyone think...
...JoePo will answer the question I posted in the fan post this morning? He does seem to have the inside scoop with Bill James. – TL
by timlacy on Jul 4, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe...
but who knows what may or may not be on Joe’s upcoming schedule of imagined columns
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is another free, courtesy run for the Rays
Gotta love when we give runs away
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's like I woke up from a dream and all of a sudden DeJesus is our best hitter
by KCScuba on Jul 4, 2008 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He said a bunch of crap going into the season
About how he wanted a really high OBP, was going to be more selective, etc etc… And I just kind of smiled, nodded and chalked it up to pre season exuberance. But sure enough, he’s really turned it up a notch.
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the team...
...wanted that from him more than he actually aspired to it. I recall a KCStar write-up on the issue. – TL
by timlacy on Jul 4, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great AB Gordon
Jackson 1 hitting us, and to be honest he doesn’t even look all that sharp.
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did the plane get in late or something?
Did they switch from the jet to the prop plane?
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 4, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
to be fair...STL didn't look good
in the first game of our home series with them. It was the same situation….we had an off-day at home the day before the game. STL was in Detroit.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's fine
we’re going to throw up some stinkers every now and again, but man our pitching has just sucked absolute ass the past week
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 4, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, and when our pitching sucks, the team sucks even harder
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else find it ironic
that the Ford commercial on TV has Toby Keith narrating but Angels and Airwaves’ “The Adventure” is the music in the background?
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 4, 2008 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This team can not hit a good fast balll...
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just when i get excited about teahen heating up...
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
off topic
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080704/ap_on_re_us/people_paul_hogan
SYDNEY, Australia – “Crocodile Dundee” star Paul Hogan challenged Australian tax authorities Friday to track him down in the United States after a newspaper report that he was under investigation for tax evasion.
ADVERTISEMENTThe 68-year-old actor has repeatedly denied that he dodged taxes.
dude is 68!
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
68 Is The
New 40.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 4, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will, I finally found a way to use that Grading The Flags link
It’s not actually awful, as you pointed out, but it’s worth sharing on 7/4, so I used an alias.
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/awful-links/grading-flags.php
by andrewmiller on Jul 4, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HOW DID BANNY BALK!?!?
He’s the smartest athlete who ever lived!
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it was hard to tell. they didn't show a replay
it looked like he may’ve moved his hands slightly before throwing to first…...but it also looked like he turned his shoulders before the jump turn. very hard to tell…..
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, walk a guy to get to Pena
That worked well
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many times have we just totally shit the bed with 2 outs in the past 6-7 games?
Two down,nobody on, 3 batters later 3 runs in. It’s pathetic.
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We're a weak single away from being no hit
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Bannister's ERA hits 6, which I think it might, what do we do with him?
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
umm...
give him another 20 starts and make a move in june of 2009?
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps pull a LaRussa and give him a fake injury to DL him
so he can “work stuff out”?
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will be in tears when J.P. Howell appears
although maybe it won’t happen during this game
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And runs allowed?
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's given up 7 runs THREE other times this year?!
not good.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and yes, 7 runs ties a career high
and also matches his last start
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
banny strukc out 7 once
and incidentally also got pounded
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL200706230.shtml
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Weird, almost identical lines
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And didn't swing at every fastball at the letters he saw
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good at bat, then he gets the fastball right down the middle
....and hits a fly ball. Like everybody else in this line up has done tonight.
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be annoying
but we did have to expect some serious regression.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!!! More Gobble vs. Righties!!!
I wonder what will happen next!
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let the good times roll
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gobble pitching himself out of baseball
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whaddya know?
He got a lefty out.
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least this is bad news for the Yankees
That’s solace I couldn’t take from the Orioles losses.
by andrewmiller on Jul 4, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dioner Navarro....All-Star catcher??
I vote yes….for a while he was almost justified as the starting catcher over Mauer.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of his value tied up in his BA
but he’s done well this year. I still voted for Mauer and his .413 OBP, though.
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there anything lamer than criticizing baseball players for effort?
just reading the yankee/damon story
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which story?
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEAH GOBBLE
Hit that sunuvabitch, that’ll teach’em
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Aki Iwamura
has actually been overrated at this point. Never thought I’d say that about a Tampa Ray.
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Think Gobble's roster spot is tenuous when Nunez/Bale return?
by andrewmiller on Jul 4, 2008 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I suppose
but with deadweight such as Gload around, and HoRam and Tejeda still not exactly locks, I wouldn’t bet money on him being DFA’d.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so mant guys worthy of being sent off
its really amazing this team has 40 wins
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
to be fair, back of the bullpen guys such as HoRam and Tejeda are the kind of pitchers who get shuffled around even on good teams. Gload…yeah, I have nothing to say to defend him still being here. Shealy now!
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Longoria = what everyone wanted
out of Gordon last year.
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hell, THIS year
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grudz gets us off the schneid
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade value!
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is to WHO
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any team
who needs a decent infield bat to take over at 2B down the stretch or pinch hit to start innings.
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
STL???
they love him there. and hate adam kennedy there.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine Tulowitzki & Longoria as teammates at Long Beach
....or in KC for that matter….
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tulo sure is tearing it up this year
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Hoagy
show the bebes how it’s done.
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right down the pipe
No contact
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We must've needed
to even out our pyth record today or something.
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hillman seems to be trying to stretch out Gobble as of late
Either that or letting him try to get his ERA down
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It looks like
he’s the garbage man today.
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA!
are we winning yet? am i drunk yet?
by blue bandwagon on Jul 4, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guessing game!
No. Yes?
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Longoria even has cool walk-up music
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm on gameday today
what with the festivities downstairs. What’s his music?
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is gobble throwing exclusively sidearm nowadays?
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure...but those are about the two ugliest scoreless innings pitched ever
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Key word being
“scoreless.” Well done, Yimmy.
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's made the
conscious decision to throw like that so he can get lefties out. It works, but righties murder him.
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by NHZ on Jul 4, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pssssh
[/disagreeing simply to disagree]
4th place 08 baby! Baby steps (Thanks, Jose Guillen!) is the name of the game.
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 4, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why in the world did they let Gobble start this inning?
Almost 50 pitches, WTF? WE trying to make his arm fall off?
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In other AL Central games...it's Byrd v. Livan...
will the catchers even have to wear gloves for those guys? First one to 85 MPH wins?
Byrd gives up the most HR’s in MLB, Livan the most hits.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 4, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hernandez has looked good so far.
He’ll get lit up in oh, the 5th inning or so
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoppach with the 2 run blast. Lol, good game to watch
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tejada just did his part to further ruin Gobble's ERA
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Throwing out B pitching staff at'em
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very poorly played game on our part
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i predict a big ninth inning
and a royal win!
by blue bandwagon on Jul 4, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Longoria sure does get the balls and strikes calls
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by slayor on Jul 4, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
its over
its finally over
the rays can’t hurt us anymore
by royalsreview on Jul 4, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Until tomorrow.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 4, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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