Game 88 Open Thread - Royals (39-48) at Rays (53-32)
Kansas City @ Tampa Bay
It was something like Rays Week at BP the last few days, and one of the more interesting pieces was Nate Silver's Flipping the Switch article (free):
Team balance? The Devil Rays had five players who had a legitimate argument for making the All-Star team last year: Carl Crawford, B.J. Upton, Carlos Pena, Scott Kazmir, and James Shields. But they also had 28 distinct players who produced a negative VORP, collectively costing the Rays 157.9 runs below replacement level. Merely replacing those guys with passable alternatives—never mind league-average players—would have made a huge difference.
Put differently, the Rays had an awful lot of room to make additions by subtraction. The difficult part about baseball is supposed to be locking up blue-chip assets like Upton and Kazmir at below-market rates. The Rays had done plenty of that, but they hadn’t really bothered to sweat the small stuff—to dump some of their dead weight, to make sure they had guys who were up to the job defensively, or to tend to their bullpen.
Sound familiar? How's this for dead weight? First, the position players: John Buck (-1.7 VORP), Joey Gathright (-5.4 VORP), Ross Gload (-6.0 VORP), Esteban German (-8.7 VORP) and, por supuesto, Tony Pena Jr. (-18.0 VORP). Combined, those players have eaten up 952 plate appearances, or 29.1 % of the team's at bats.
As for the subpar pitchers, at least purely according to VORP: Brian Bannister (-1.2 VORP), Yasuhiko Yabuta (-1.4 VORP), Joel Peralta (-2.5 VORP), Jeff Fulchino (-3.3 VORP), John Bale (-3.8 VORP), Jimmy Gobble (-5.5 VORP), Hideo Nomo (-6.5 VORP) and, Brett Tomko (-12.3 VORP). Now, some of these horrible innings can be dismissed, to a point, thanks to size (Nomo only blasted 4.3 innings) and leverage considerations. In a blowout you can send Nomo out there for an inning, but you can't give TPJ most of his at bats that way. Nope, TPJ was slowly eroding innings an at regular distribution. Still, its telling how quickly a bullpen that we all thought was going to be an asset has not quite turned out that way.
Until this winter, that is, because that's when the Rays decided to transform themselves from a sort of hedge fund for undervalued assets into a real, functional baseball club.
Maybe the Royals will get to that point someday.
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Woohoo Lead off
Billy at worst will be Sean Casey jr.
by kcscoliny on Jul 5, 2008 5:04 PM EDT 0 recs
fourth
hate those rays
"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise
by DyeFan187 on Jul 5, 2008 5:49 PM EDT 0 recs
today is our day to rule the AL EAST!
let the dead weight carry us to greatness!
by blue bandwagon on Jul 5, 2008 6:03 PM EDT 0 recs
my dad's new goal for the year for those who care:
Singlehandedly fucking up the playoffs for the Yankees. So far we seem to be doing a good job of this, dropping a series to Boston, plus a few more games against Tampa. Oh yeah, and how we’re going to OWN the Yankees in our next series against them.
4th place 08 baby! Baby steps (Thanks, Jose Guillen!) is the name of the game.
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT 0 recs
so far so good
although i don’t want to be swept by the Rays
"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise
by DyeFan187 on
Jul 5, 2008 6:07 PM EDT
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+1
I’ll take 2-2. That’s my hopes.
4th place 08 baby! Baby steps (Thanks, Jose Guillen!) is the name of the game.
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 5, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
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Agreed w/ you all hoping for a series split
but then again an interesting game might be nice after last night
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 5, 2008 6:15 PM EDT 0 recs
greinke should be a huge upgrade over banny i hope
by royalsreview on
Jul 5, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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his last start wasn't all that encouraging
let’s hope for good Greinke
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Jul 5, 2008 6:17 PM EDT
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some people on here will chime in and tell us that banny is a good pitcher
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 5, 2008 6:17 PM EDT
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well, with zack pitching i feel like we'll be in the game in the top of the 2nd inning at least
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 5, 2008 6:17 PM EDT
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i kinda wanna see a fight
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 5, 2008 6:18 PM EDT 0 recs
one that doesnt involve zack getting beat up by navavrro or carlos pena
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 5, 2008 6:19 PM EDT
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if we weren't such pansies, i'm sure the rays are up for it....
or do they only fight good teams to prove a point?
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Jul 5, 2008 6:21 PM EDT
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any talk on here yesterday about how good that catch by guillen was?
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 5, 2008 6:19 PM EDT 0 recs
ohhh... just watched it. nice catch.
although it would have been better if he completely flipped onto the chairs.
by blue bandwagon on
Jul 5, 2008 6:24 PM EDT
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it wouldve been better had he flipped over that fence and then dropkicked one of the chairs
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 5, 2008 6:37 PM EDT
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i bet kietzman thought it was the worst catch ever
4th place 08 baby! Baby steps (Thanks, Jose Guillen!) is the name of the game.
by loyal2theroyals on
Jul 5, 2008 6:32 PM EDT
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keitzman is a douche...
where .500 might; but, probably won't, happen.
by blue bandwagon on
Jul 5, 2008 6:33 PM EDT
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im really interested to see if theres any comment about it by kietz....
if not, he’s just doing a bad job.
if you’re going to overreact in the manner that he does about minor stuff, you gotta at least mention the good.
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 5, 2008 6:36 PM EDT
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damnit....
mike barnett just said we have to be more aggressive tonight
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 5, 2008 6:35 PM EDT 0 recs
id feel fine about it...
if he meant swing more aggressively on good pitches, however, i highly doubt hes thinking that
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 5, 2008 6:38 PM EDT
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Yeah, Like Actually
Trying to get on base and stay there until you can score.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 5, 2008 6:39 PM EDT
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Be! Be! AGGRESSIVE!
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 5, 2008 7:13 PM EDT
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ahh...
ryan thinks the rays are good b/c they signed good clubhouse guys
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 5, 2008 6:38 PM EDT 0 recs
It's all about the good veteran presence...
and fundamentals.
by rockchalk on
Jul 5, 2008 6:39 PM EDT
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The Little Things
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 5, 2008 6:40 PM EDT
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don't forget about the healthy mix of grit.
where .500 might; but, probably won't, happen.
by blue bandwagon on
Jul 5, 2008 6:43 PM EDT
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He's a neat part timer, though
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by NHZ on
Jul 5, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
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yanks/sox is a good finish on fox right now, should be over before our game starts
fucking cardinals won in the 9th too
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 5, 2008 6:52 PM EDT 0 recs
the bottom of the red sox order will kill them this season.
where .500 might; but, probably won't, happen.
by blue bandwagon on
Jul 5, 2008 6:55 PM EDT
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Beat Me To
It; 7 HBP’s today, including 3 an Manny. Rivera just got a ridiculous strike 2 on Lugo.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 5, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
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5 inches outside
then he tried it again and got called a ball….same pitch
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Jul 5, 2008 6:57 PM EDT
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The Ball Was
Better.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 5, 2008 6:59 PM EDT
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I'd complain more
if it weren’t for the fact that the Sox somehow didn’t score a single run with bases loaded and no one out.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 5, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
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LeFebvre just said DEVIL Rays
pagan
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 5, 2008 7:01 PM EDT 0 recs
he'll get fined $1 by the Rays
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 5, 2008 7:02 PM EDT
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Teahie's On The
Bench, probably for being a baby; Hoagy takes his place in RF.
D. DeJesus lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .321
M. Grudzielanek 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .314
A. Gordon 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .258
J. Guillen rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .277
B. Butler dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .271
R. Gload 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .261
M. Olivo c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .261
M. Aviles ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .283
J. Gathright cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 5, 2008 7:08 PM EDT 0 recs
If Teahen was at 1B
That lineup wouldn’t suck
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
Jul 5, 2008 7:09 PM EDT
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Seriously, I don't get Gload over Teabag in this situation
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on
Jul 5, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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do you get it any time when gload is in the lineup?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 5, 2008 7:11 PM EDT
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not unless it's the 8th/9th innings
and we’ve got a lead
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on
Jul 5, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
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+1
But Gator is still hard to watch hit.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 5, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
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Rays only drew 16,000 on the 4th?
wow
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 5, 2008 7:10 PM EDT 0 recs
why would you go to a baseball game...in a dome...on 4th of july?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 5, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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to watch the best team in baseball maybe?
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Jul 5, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
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they should NOT show up on 4th of july...
b/c playing baseball indoors is unamerican.
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 5, 2008 7:15 PM EDT
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What's with the outline logo on the caps?
Man, that’s ugly.
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 5, 2008 7:10 PM EDT 0 recs
it's an american flag thing
and yeah it is ugly
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Jul 5, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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Communist!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 5, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
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not the flag
the hat design
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Jul 5, 2008 7:15 PM EDT
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Why Do You
Hate America??
?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 5, 2008 7:17 PM EDT
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5 pitches
2 outs….aggressive enough Barnett….Christ this incompetence is killing me
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 5, 2008 7:12 PM EDT 0 recs
I see we've picked up
right where we left off yesterday. What the hell is the point of swinging early in the count if you can’t hit the f@cking ball?!?
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 5, 2008 7:12 PM EDT 0 recs
ah, we're gonna see another complete game by an opponent
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 5, 2008 7:14 PM EDT 0 recs
God the "voodoo" commercial is stupid
granted not as stupid as the “tradition” commercial, but they need to fire their ad agency
One man with courage makes a majority - Andrew Jackson
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 5, 2008 7:15 PM EDT 0 recs
Back from lifeguarding,
no one died. People did complain about an excess chlorine smell…in a chorline pool…with the chemicals levels lower than usual…
I want to see blood tonight.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 5, 2008 7:15 PM EDT 0 recs
Oops
Chlorine. Sorry.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 5, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
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Chorline Might Have
Killed everyone.
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by philofthenorth on
Jul 5, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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No kidding
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by NHZ on
Jul 5, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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Try It Next
Time.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 5, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
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This girl I lifeguard with
said that chlorine might make the lane lines explode.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 5, 2008 7:22 PM EDT
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Any Baby Ruths?
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on
Jul 5, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
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Yeah,
but I just had a Fresca and chilled out instead of overreacting.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 5, 2008 7:17 PM EDT
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they still make fresca?
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by billybeingbilly on
Jul 5, 2008 7:17 PM EDT
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They do indeed
though I will referencing Caddy Shack.
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by NHZ on
Jul 5, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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My Oldest Brother
Drank Fresca and vodka when he was on the Atkins diet.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 5, 2008 7:20 PM EDT
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Was that his only source
of nutrition?
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 5, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
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i HATE diet coke, but id have to go jack and diet
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Jul 5, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
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Why not
just coke or pepsi?
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Jul 5, 2008 7:22 PM EDT
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Google Thinks It's
Atkins; I think it’s bullshit.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 5, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
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Fewer Carbs In
Vodka, apparently.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Jul 5, 2008 7:23 PM EDT
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It seems odd to worry
about health while drinking Vodka, that’s all. :P
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by NHZ on
Jul 5, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
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i dont think that most on the atkins diet....
are worried about health…more worried about their weight
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