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You could make an hour long blooper reel out of this game
by slayor on Jul 9, 2008 12:15 AM EDTwinning records follow good bullpens
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Obligatory fangraphs representation of events:
Your WPA game MVPs are Gordon, German and Aviles. Butler's GIDP bunt lowered the team's chances of winning from 71.6% to 53.7%.
Treyball!
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winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on Jul 9, 2008 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
grrr..
that sucked in new and entirely fascinating ways
by powderbluepower on Jul 9, 2008 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
retroactive
first (my first first)
by powderbluepower on Jul 9, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate grudz and i hate trey
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 9, 2008 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WHY TREY!
you do realize he would look like a genious if billy got a good bunt down because gload got a hit which would have won the game
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
by focs on Jul 9, 2008 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why the hell do you bunt with billy?
why does that seem like a good idea?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 9, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I'm pretty sure we'd still be calling it moronic
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on Jul 9, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT!
Use your brain – Guillen most likely would have walked Gload had the bunt succeeded, thereby setting up the DP and allowing his reliever to face two righties instead of a lefty and a righty.
by loyal2sdad on Jul 9, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this reply
was supposed to post under “focs” comment
by loyal2sdad on Jul 9, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
I thought you were accusing bbb of being insane—not knowing who he “really” hates.
8^)
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Jul 9, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha...oh, i know....
but its an extensive list…and very depressing for my rabid royals fanhood
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 9, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One should attempt to analyze how much hatred comes from the heart and how much comes from the head
(I think I read that in a fortune cookie once)
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 9, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any money going towards robotic umpires ??
seriously they fucked us hard tonight
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
by focs on Jul 9, 2008 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
winners win, losers bitch.
Nobody will celebrate harder when the Royals make the playoffs!!
by juano on Jul 9, 2008 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only Mike Scioscia was our manager
then we’d know how to win.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 9, 2008 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Of course, we also wouldn't have Guillen.)
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 9, 2008 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sad that Royals fans have consider the loss of 100 OPS+ corner outfielder as problematic
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Jul 9, 2008 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'd have offered even more money for Jones or Hunter
Think about THAT.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 9, 2008 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DDJ > Hunter (at least this year)
Career OPS +:
DDJ: 105
Toriiii: 104
Yeah, I know defense, grit, blah blah blah. Still, pretty dang interesting given the press Hunter gets. When is that dude going finally going to make the “All-Overrated” team?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Jul 9, 2008 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he's actually good
Unlike…say…Eckstein…
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 9, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aviles' OPS is back up to .832
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 9, 2008 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel like just screaming FUCCCCKKKKKKK
But then my mom will be all, “knock off all that racket, what are you doing down in the basement?”
by andrewmiller on Jul 9, 2008 12:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wise man once said
Don’t step out of this house if that’s the clothes you’re gonna wear
I’ll kick you out of my home if you don’t cut that hair
Your mom busted in and said, “What’s that noise?”
Aw, mom you’re just jealous it’s the Beastie Boys!
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Jul 9, 2008 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game 91, AKA The Trey and Umpire Funhouse
Complaints, in order of appearance
1. Shrinking strike-zone in innings 7-9 which tended to favor Sox, especially Quintin
2. Defensive replacement taking Jose Guillen out of the game, placing Gathright in RBI-spot
3. Blown check-swing call by 1b Umpire and HP Umpire yelling at Horacio Ramirez for understandably having a negative reaction
4. Blown obstruction call by 2b Umpire, gives White Sox extra out and extra baserunner
5. 2-Run SAC fly…someone just call the fly ball and take it
6. Trey bunts with Billy Butler batting with no-one on and Teahen on 1b, results in double play
Positives?
1. Davies ‘battled’
2. TPJ did not start or receive an at-bat
3. Mike Aviles had 4-hits
4. Gordon was clutch w/ a game-tying double
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 9, 2008 12:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
5. Esty
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Jul 9, 2008 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good day at the plate
needed to sell that obstruction or at least put up a big stink
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 9, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or the ump should call it...
esteban HAS to try to finish out that play
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 9, 2008 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but think bout the 3-4 runs he cost the Royals on defense!11
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Jul 9, 2008 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on #2 -
it sure looked like a good move when David made that catch on the line-drive, but I understand where you are coming from. As I thought about it later, I still don’t get why he ran Hiram out there in the 6th. His pitch count was high, he was getting hit, what was the reason for putting him out there? Comments were made about this at the time.
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on Jul 9, 2008 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the complaint about defensive replacements is all hindsight
When it doesn’t work, it draws complaints, but it was the right thing to do in the situation. If Guillen hadn’t been replaced and he failed to make a key catch, that would have drawn complaints.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Jul 9, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do other teams lose games like this?
or is it just the royals? cause it would make me feel better about my loyalties…
where .500 might; but, probably won't, happen.
by blue bandwagon on Jul 9, 2008 4:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh, yes, there's one...
...that’s been losing like this for 100 years: The Cubs. We’ve got nothing on them—-yet. – TL
by timlacy on Jul 9, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the time has come to ask: Why is TPJ still on the roster?
I understand the great defense, but can the Royals really carry one of the their 13 position players who is so bad with the bat that they’d rather use a crippled Mark Grudzielanek in his place when only a sac fly is needed?
by Top Ramen on Jul 9, 2008 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this game was fucking brutal...
I say the losses and wins don’t affect me…that I just watch for entertainment…but I couldn’t even get a decent nights sleep after this one
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
by PhattStairs on Jul 9, 2008 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Leaping lemurs!
It’s Ellipsesman!
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 9, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ellipse is a totally underutilized tool...
kind of like placing TPJ on the bench.
where .500 might; but, probably won't, happen.
by blue bandwagon on Jul 9, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trey Hillman
is a pud. The guy is totally weak. Every other manager in the majors is up in the umps face after that crap interference at second. This guys apologies after the game were sorry. He sounds like a child caught stealing.
“I guess in hindsight it wasn’t a good idea to have Butler bunt.” “Oh Mr. Umpire are you sure Ramirez checked his swing and it sure looks like their strikezone is a bit smaller than ours.” “Sir I think that could’ve been runner interference, oh you disagree ok sir thank you, sorry for the misunderstanding.”
Trey needs to quit managing like he is Tony “The Brain” LaRussa get a sac and get ran.
Who cares about RBI's, how many HDB's you got?
by kcscoliny on Jul 9, 2008 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven't been this upset about a Royals game in awhile
I guess I’ve been getting numb.
The umpiring was brutal. I’m not one to complain about umpiring, but that was terrible last night. The obstruction was obvious. The home plate strike zone was all over the place. The umpire was ridiculous on Alex Gordon in the 11th with two pitches well outside the strike zone. It looked like he just wanted to get out of there.
The bunt was ridiculous. Seriously, bunting with Billy Butler? Did Trey think Billy had suddenly gotten fast or had become a good bunter? I understand Billy hasn’t been on fire since coming back, but give him a chance to succeed. Maybe a game winning hit is what he needs to spark a tear. Instead, you’re asking him to do something he’s terrible at that doesn’t fit his strengths. Not to mention, bunting is stupid.
Roster management. We just didn’t have many options once Trey went with his defensive lineup late in the game. I’m all for playing for defense when you’re up 5-3. I’m just frustrated that when Joey is in the game, the only guy we have to pinch hit for him is John F. Buck. Its really time we brought a fifth outfielder onto the roster, particularly when our 4th outfielder hits like my sister. Having 12 pitchers is a silly luxury. Bring up Costa or Maier, neither may be great, but they provide more depth and greater options late in the game.
Ugh, I can’t believe I stayed up til 11:30 watching that.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 9, 2008 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't get to watch...
...the game, but based on your comments and those above, this looks like the hierarchy of complaints:
1. Umpiring. A coach, in my mind, should take risks here to alter the flow. I love Hillman, but he better realize that he’s got to be a bit more aggressive here.
2. Roster management. Having guys like TPJ and Gathraight on the bench isn’t helping us. We need the roster to be strong top to bottom, and that’s Dayton’s issue.
3. The Bunt. Well, I can’t fault attempts at surprise. Was the attempt called from the bench, or did Butler do it on his own? Is he a good bunter? I’d be surprised if he is.
...Just thinking out loud.
- TL
by timlacy on Jul 9, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
about the bunt
it was most likely called from the bench.. I don’t see billy not wanting to swing away there. And billy only has 2 sac bunts in his career in the bigs. It would of worked had it not been a bad bunt.
by cfizzle on Jul 9, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
career....including the minors he has 2...thats two in like 5 years
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jul 9, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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