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Draft countdown - Will Eric Hosmer sign?

With two and a half days left before the signing deadline several key picks remain unsigned by the Royals, including their #1 pick.  Here is the rundown from Baseball America.  Players in bold are signed:

Round Overall Player Position School State
1 3 Eric Hosmer 1B American Heritage HS, Plantation, Fla. Fla.
1s 36 Mike Montgomery LHP Hart HS, Newhall, Calif. Calif.
2 49 Johnny Giavotella 2B New Orleans La.
3 80 Tyler Sample RHP Mullen HS, Denver Colo.
4 115 Tim Melville RHP Holt HS, Wentzville, Mo. Mo.
5 145 John Lamb LHP Laguna Hills (Calif.) HS Calif.
6 175 Alex Llanos OF Puerto Rico Baseball Academy, Gurabo, P.R.
7 205 Jason Esposito 3B Amity Regional HS, Woodbridge, Conn. Conn.
8 235 Malcolm Culver RHP Palmdale (Calif.) HS Calif.
9 265 J.D. Alfaro SS Grayson County (Texas) CC Texas
10 295 Mauricio Matos C Clinton HS, Bronx, N.Y. N.Y.
11 325 Malcolm Bronson OF Jasper (Texas) HS Texas
12 355 Keven Caldwell OF Spartanburg Methodist (S.C.) JC S.C.
13 385 John Flanagan LHP Southwestern Illinois JC Ill.
14 415 Chase Hentges RHP Shakopee (Minn.) HS Minn.
15 445 Alberto Espinosa 1B Broward (Fla.) CC Fla.
16 475 Derrick Saito LHP Cal Poly Calif.
17 505 Jake Kuebler 3B Lincoln (Neb.) Southeast HS Neb.
18 535 Carlo Testa OF Belmont Tenn.
19 565 Miguel Moctezuma C Central Oklahoma Okla.
20 595 Shawn Griffin OF Tennessee Tenn.
21 625 Jake Theis RHP Mountlake Terrace (Wash.) HS Wash.
22 655 Blaine Hardy LHP Lewis-Clark State (Idaho) Idaho
23 685 Dale DeSchepper RHP Mount San Jacinto (Calif.) JC Calif.
24 715 Jason Morales 3B UNC Pembroke N.C.
25 745 Carson Bryant RHP Azusa Pacific (Calif.) Calif.
26 775 Ryan Morgan RHP Rockhurst (Mo.) Mo.
27 805 Tim Huber LHP Nebraska-Omaha Neb.
28 835 Greg Billo RHP Sandburg HS, Orland Park, Ill. Ill.
29 865 Beau Brett 1B Ferris HS, Spokane, Wash. Wash.
30 895 Rick Dodridge LHP Ogemaw Heights HS, West Branch, Mich. Mich.
31 925 Ryan Curl OF St. Francis DeSales HS, Columbus, Ohio Ohio
32 955 Rey Cotilla RHP Miami-Dade CC Fla.
33 985 Eric Swegman RHP Young Harris (Ga.) JC Ga.
34 1015 Brett Richardson RHP Wenatchee Valley (Wash.) CC Wash.
35 1045 Chris Balcom-Miller RHP West Valley (Calif.) JC Calif.
36 1075 Nick Purdy RHP St. Mary's SS, Grafton, Ontario Ontario
37 1105 Bradin Hagens RHP Merced (Calif.) JC Calif.
38 1135 James Thompson RHP Columbus State (Ga.) Ga.
39 1165 Ryan Modglin RHP Scott City (Mo.) HS Mo.
40 1195 Pernell Halliman RHP Jackson State Calif.
41 1225 Doug Joyce C Stanwood (Wash.) HS Wash.
42 1255 Marc Oslund RHP West HS, Torrance, Calif. Calif.
43 1285 Cory Kiefer RHP Valley View HS, Moreno Valley, Calif. Calif.
44 1315 Patrick Johnson OF Colony HS, Ontario, Calif. Calif.
45 1344 Ray Anderson OF Lassiter HS, Marietta, Ga. Ga.
46 1372 William Beckwith 1B West Lowndes HS, Columbus, Miss. Miss.
47 1399 Steve Gilgenbach LHP Arkansas-Little Rock Ark.
48 1426 Terrence Buchanan SS Mount Carmel HS, San Diego Calif.
49 1453 Alan Salgado 3B San Ysidro HS, San Diego Calif.
50 1480 Travis Jones C Sabino HS, Tucson Ariz.

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The last top 5 draft pick to not sign was J.D. Drew in 1997

(credit to Retro for the research) So I think the odds are long against him not signing. Players just very, very rarely turn down that much money.

Most of the top 10 picks still haven’t signed and probably won’t until the 15th. Given the Royals draft spending and their relationship with and knowledge of the tactics of Boras, I think there is little reason to believe he won’t sign. And maybe Melville too if the rumors and reports are correct. Should be a fun deadline day.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 13, 2008 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, but it was actually doublestix

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 13, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 other American Heritage teammates have signed and a third is on the verge

so that is a good sign. The rumors of Melville already agreeing have kind of died down.

Petro just went thru the list of players GMDM have drafted in his time from the Braves-Royals. Interesting he drafted JP Howell with the Braves couldn’t sign him and then his first move he trades him when he got to KC.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 13, 2008 12:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Melville

The rumor was that an agreement has been made and it was sent to MLB for approval. The speculation is that MLB is sitting on it until closer to the deadline so that his over-slot contract doesn’t affect other signings too much. So the rumors have only “died down” to the extent that people are not still talking about it. As there is no new information on this, it makes sense that there hasn’t been talk about it. There certainly hasn’t been any news or rumor moving in the other direction.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 13, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would bet quite a few guys have signed

But MLB told teams to stay quiet as to not affect other negotiations.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 13, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am 99% Hosmer and Melville will sign

In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they have already signed.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 13, 2008 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So, will Hosmer get the "standard Royal deal?"

Four million bonus. That is what Gordon and Moustakas received. I think Hochevar got a bit better deal. I think he was put on the MLB roster right away and got something like $5+M?

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by James Quinn on Aug 13, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Goldstein at BP guessed recently that Hosmer at #3 will get the $4M that Moustakas got last year at #2. Hochevar did get a major league contract, which can make sense for a college draftee, but not so much for a HS draftee. Moustakas didn’t get a MLB contract and it is very likely Hosmer won’t either.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 13, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Source says Hosmer chances of deal "optimistic"

Clock ticks on Draft signing deadline

Hosmer has a scholarship offer from Arizona State on the table—a nice option should he not sign. And with Boras in his corner, you know it will go down to the last minute, much like with Alvarez. But the Royals have a history with Boras in similar situations. He negotiated a $5.3 million deal for Luke Hochevar, the top pick in the 2006 Draft, and got Mike Moustakas, last year’s third overall selection, a $4 million contract.

One source was “optimistic” that a deal would get done. Hosmer played in an amateur tournament that concluded last weekend, and it appeared that negotiations weren’t about to get serious until he was through. Don’t be surprised if Hosmer signs a deal in the neighborhood of the one Moustakas signed.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 13, 2008 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Melville’s HS coach said he thought it would definately get done when I spoke to him two months ago. He said he’d heard the rumor of a deal being done last month but didn’t elaborate.

I’m sure Hosmer will sign. You don’t go #3 and not sign and go to college for 3 years. You’ll come out and not get what you would have… Some hotshot HS kid will go in front of you then. (a good example of Hosmer going #3 this year and Beckham going #1)

News ony of the other picks we’ve made? #7? #11?

Is there anyone else that we really have a shot to sign or are trying?

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by 306008 on Aug 13, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Our #50 pick

Travis Jones, a C/3B is expected to sign. I guess he’s actually a pretty decent prospect who slid because teams thought he would go to U of Arizona.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 13, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody got a scouting report on him?

I heard he won the Connie Mack Home Run derby but anything other than that?

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 13, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

#7 Esposito

The Royals offered way over-slot money to him and he turned them down.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 13, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other thing workin in KC's favor

is the slight possibility of being a slot system by the time Hosmer would be draft eligible again. There have been minor rumblings but 3 years is a long way away and you would hate to miss out on extra money when you had a shot. I think BA or some other publication/blogger talked about this in regards to Boras recently.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 13, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

7 and 11

Esposito is going to Vandy after turning down 1.5 million dollars. Yes, that’s stupid.

Bronson is going to play football and baseball and McNeese state.

At least, that was the latest word.

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by doublestix on Aug 13, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe his mind's in the right place

Actually interested in getting an education, in case the jock thing doesn’t work out.

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by cmkeller on Aug 13, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya with 1.5 M you would have a tough time affording and education with that.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 13, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhhh....

The MLB has a plan in place to pay for these kids education if they don’t make it to the majors.

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by doublestix on Aug 13, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If baseball didn't work out, couldn't he get an education afterwards?

The only way this choice makes sense is if he gets drafted later and gets significantly more money.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 13, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is far more likely he comes from a well off family

being from Connecticut and 1.5m doesnt have the ring it does from somewhere else. Or he doesn’t think he is ready to travel on a bus everyday just a guess but education is probably pretty low on the list of priorities.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 13, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It must be for the girls

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Aug 13, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vandy girls are easy.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 13, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All girls are a bit more easy when you have $1.5M in the bank

At least that is what I would expect to be the case.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Aug 13, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard that, on a rare occasion, that college atheletes might have a chance with the ladies

it sounds crazy, I know.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 14, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Callis said in a chat

That its an open secret that Melville will sign with the Royals.

Also said he’s not a fan of Kila! Kila will smite him!

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 13, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hosmer?

Did Callis say anything about Callis?

I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Aug 13, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops

I meant…Did Callis say anything about Hosmer?

I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Aug 13, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He said...

The only first round pick he thinks WON’T sign is San Diego’s pick.

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by doublestix on Aug 13, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Goldstein at BP said that too

He was asked which first round draft picks wouldn’t sign and he said Dykstra and maybe Crow.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 13, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow Crow who drafted him again?

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 13, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Washington

And talks have not gone well at all. Crow wants $8 M and a MLB contract. Washington wants to give him about $2.5 million and no MLB contract. Crow can return to Mizzou if he does not sign.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 13, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats kind of surprising

8 M is totally unrealistic unless you want to go to college. The Nats have paid above slot money at alot of spots so they probably would at his pick but $8M (again never tried crack but it must be good).

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 13, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crow signed a contract with an independent team yesterday.

The Fort Worth Cats. From Baseball America:

“The Nationals have consistently maintained that there is a system and Aaron has to fit within the slotting system unilaterally created by the owners,” Hendricks said. “Our position is that Aaron is a premier pitcher and should be compensated accordingly. We are so far apart that [Nationals GM] Jim Bowden told me yesterday that there was no reason to talk any more. Aaron will never sign for slot money, period.”
MLB’s slot recommendation for the ninth overall pick is an estimated $2.15 million. Since the 2004 draft, the first tier of college pitchers typically have received major league deals. Ten college pitchers in the 2004-07 drafts landed big league contracts, with an average bonus of $3.3 million and an average guarantee of $5.1 million.

Two of those 10, Luke Hochevar (Royals) and Max Scherzer (Diamondbacks), pitched with Fort Worth before turning pro.

In other draft/independent league news, Miami first baseman Yonder Alonso told John Fay, our Reds correspondent and a writer for the Cincinnati Enquirer, that he could be headed to indy ball if he can’t work out a deal with the Reds.

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by James Quinn on Aug 14, 2008 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Opps, those last two paragraphs are part of the BA story as well.

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by James Quinn on Aug 14, 2008 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

8th pick SS Gordon Beckham

Has supposedly signed with the White Sox, according to Chicago a radio station.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 13, 2008 5:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn.

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by doublestix on Aug 13, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Melville

Article in the St. Louis Post Dispatch today about Melville.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/DC5416AFD466AB1E862574A500119BAA?OpenDocument
(sorry, don’t know how to make a mid-post link)

Here’s the main gist, in one quote from Tim Melville:

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By Joe Lyons
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
08/14/2008

Much as he has done all summer, Tim Melville waits.

Selected by the Kansas City Royals in the fourth round of the baseball draft in June, Melville, a hard-throwing righthander from Holt High in Wentzville, had his patience tested as negotiations progressed slowly this summer.

But with the signing deadline set for 11 p.m. Friday, Melville is confident his professional baseball career will begin shortly.

“I’m ready to start playing again,’’ the 18-year-old said. “It’s been a little frustrating, but it’s a complicated process. The last thing I heard from my adviser was that the contract had been sent to the commissioner’s office. Once it’s approved, they’ll return it to me to sign and then I guess I’ll find out where the Royals want me to report.’‘

Apparently, it has already been sent off to Selig’s office…then needs to be signed. It’s all but a done deal.

by stlfan on Aug 14, 2008 8:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap

Got a lot of CRAP in there that I didn’t mean to. Sorry. Let me try again below.

by stlfan on Aug 14, 2008 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Melville

Article in the St. Louis Post Dispatch today about Melville.

“I’m ready to start playing again,’’ the 18-year-old said. “It’s been a little frustrating, but it’s a complicated process. The last thing I heard from my adviser was that the contract had been sent to the commissioner’s office. Once it’s approved, they’ll return it to me to sign and then I guess I’ll find out where the Royals want me to report.’‘

Apparently, it has already been sent off to Selig’s office…then needs to be signed. It’s all but a done deal.

by stlfan on Aug 14, 2008 8:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hooray!

I feel pretty good about Hosmer too, especially in comparison to some other team negotiations.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 14, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, do you blame Bowden

for not wanting to give a draftee $* million?

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by cmkeller on Aug 14, 2008 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

But its not just Bowden, other teams – Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, seem to be having problems having good negotiations as well.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 14, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Crow's agent thinks he can get $8M he is ridiculous

Crow wasn’t the first college pitcher picked. I’m sure they are just asking for that until they hear what Matusz gets and the other picks around him. The baseball draft seems a bit odd with a one day deadline. Seems like these teams and agents basically do nothing until the last week before the deadline.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 14, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matusz

Is supposedly signing for $5 mill

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 14, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It may take more than $5M to get Hosmer

But he does seem motivated to sign and play. I think we’re looking at another staring contest on the 15th. I don’t expect a deal to be made until 11:59 pm.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 14, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think its a staring contest

I think they have pretty much agreed on terms. It seems like he wants to sign.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 14, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I though Callis

expected a Moustakas type deal $4m.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 14, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Higher

I agree with NYRoyal. It’s going to be a staring contest and it’s going to be higher than the $4m that Moustakas got. $5M+ sounds likely to me.

We won the stare down last year, so I wonder if that hurts us this year. Probably not unless we let it because both Hosmer and Boras want a deal too.

I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Aug 14, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last year definitely helps the Royals

It tells Boras (and therefore Hosmer) that the Royals are willing to take their best offer down to the wire. It tells them that the Royals aren’t likely to get worried that the deal won’t get done and up their offer at the 11th hour. If Hosmer would rather get millions than go to college, this deal will get done. And the worst case scenario is that the Royals get pick “3a” next year in addition to their other first round pick.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 14, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a question

How many clients does Boras have who are unsigned so far? How can they all come down to the wire? How many contracts can get finalized at 11.59? Is Boras like Dr. Who or something?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 14, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do clients sign with Boras?

Usually it is because they want the most money. He has a self-selecting client base. For the most part, they go along with his “maximize your value” strategies and negotiating tactics because they want to maximize their money. But I think his draft clients are likely to “blink” in the end, and the almost always do.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 14, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see why they sign with him

Boras makes me mad, but I don’t think he’s “ruining the game” or “the devil” or anything like that. Brian Sabean and Tom Hicks dug their own graves. I just think it’s funny that it might be 11.59 and all the sudden he has to help make 3 decisions in one minute.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 14, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

11:59

I think the decisions are made well before that. An offer will be on the table hours (or many days) before that. He advises his client and the client makes a decision. Whether he advises them to accept the offer or not, if want to take the offer, he wisely advises them to sit tight until about 11:59, just to see if the team will get worried and up their offer at the last minute to make sure the deal gets done. If no new offer is forthcoming, then Boras faxes the acceptance just before the deadline.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 14, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To say that all he does is advise his clients is

a GROSS understatement. Boras isn’t a hourly employee of theirs they allow to give a opinion he is paid commission and a good one at that. He has a stake in all that is going on so if he is giving his opinion it very well will be weighted in what he thinks is the favorable outcome for himself. Just because his clients go to him because he is the best doen’t mean he gives them the best advice. He wins either way whether he believes the client is doing the best thing or not.

IMO his talk about going to college is cheap he knows he is going to get a certain number of commissionable athletes each year he also know the HS kids have less leverage than the juniors and seniors in college. Keeping it out there that he thinks kids should go to college is good for his image (bad one at that) and if it works out for the kids and they succeed in college they will likely go back to him anyway for giving them good advice if it doesn’t work out then who cares the kid probably wouldn’t have generated the big payday in the big leagues.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 14, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops

meant to put this lower

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 14, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes

Giants are supposedly about to sign C Buster Posey for $7.5 mill AND a MLB contract.

Never underestimate the negotiation powers of Brian Sabean.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 14, 2008 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

According to Buster Olney

This morning on 810 AM, there is a growing fear among GM’s that the devil, I mean Scott Boras may be making a stand this season. There is apparently growing sentiment that he is leveraging the future of his 3 (or more, Olney said he might represent more than 3, but he KNEW of 3) 1st round picks, by holding out for considerable more $$ than baseballs “Slot”.

Remember, last season MoosTacos wouldn’t have signed if his parents hadn’t stepped in & all but FORCED Boras to take the deal @ the 11th hour…

I agree with Olney on the subject. If you are a HS player/parent of a HS player, that is being offered upwards of $4 mil. If you even THINK about not taking it, you are a complete idiot.

Personally, I kind of hope Hosmer doesn’t sign. I’d take my chances w/ 2 top picks next year, as I wan’t impressed with any of the scouting videos (not #3 overall impressed alt least)

by GoBabies!! on Aug 14, 2008 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boras doesn't control his clients

He advises them. They make the calls. If a Boras client holds out for more money, you can bet that Boras likely advised the client to do it, but it is the client who makes the decision. I don’t think the Moustakas family had to “force” Boras to do anything. At most, Boras strongly advised them to not take the deal that the Royals offered and then they said, “no, we’ll take the deal.”

And I wouldn’t mind getting the 3a pick next year if it comes down to it, but I’d prefer to have Hosmer. The scouts and analysts love him. Not everyone thought he was a #3, but many did. Some (Callis) thought he was top 2 talent. And this organization desperately needs a good power hitter, and preferrably now rather than later.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 14, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop being so literal

I understand that Moose’s parents didn’t hold a gun to his head. He HEAVILY influences his clients a HELL Of a lot more than other agents. i.e. ONE F.A. to be has ever signed with his existing team, as opposed to every other one of his clients that has done what Boras has “advised” & that is become an FA.

He is OBVIOUSLY VERY persuasive in his endeavor, which is why I used the vernacular “FORCED” when referring to Moose

by GoBabies!! on Aug 14, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is he more persuasive?

Or do the player sign with him who want the most money? I don’t think Boras gets his clients to do anything they don’t want to do. I don’t think that there is any evidence that he is more persuasive than any other agent. I think he’s good at getting players the most money. And players usually go to him when getting the most money is their #1 priority.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 14, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

I think it is 50/50..

With his MLB clients, they know the business side of it a HELL of a lot more than a HS, or even college DP.

I’d have a tendency to think that he does get a lot of HS/College clients based on his reputation. But i also can’t imagine like your example it came down to a simple, “We’ll take the deal” from Moose’s folks. I’d imagine “We’ll take the deal” wat uttered a few dozen times before Boras gave in from trying to persuade them they can get more

by GoBabies!! on Aug 14, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

50/50

What does that mean? Do you think half of his clients don’t pick him because they want the most money and he just coerces them into doing what it takes to get the best deal? I think Boras rarely has to work hard to talk any of his clients into anything. The vast majority of players (and draft picks) want the most money they can get. A high percentage of those players sign with Boras because he’s better at it than anyone else. He gets for them what they want. I don’t think it takes much persuading.

There is an additional complication for draft picks, though. In order to take the most radical step to get more money as a draft pick, you have to incur a big risk and put off your professional baseball dream another year (or three for HS picks). Clearly many of them don’t want to do that. The vast majority of them want the most money without having to take the radical step of not signing and waiting to get that money later. Boras knows this. There’s only so much cajoling he can do. Quite frankly, I doubt he rarely advises his HS draftee clients to not sign and go to college instead. That’s risky for his clients and for him. A lot can happen in those three years. This multi-million payday may be the only one the draftee ever gets (and the only chance for Boras to collect his commission). Do we even know that Boras advised Moustakas to not sign and go to college last year? Or is this just another standard Boras rumor (which he often creates and leaks himself)?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 14, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You asked a question

“Is he more persuasive?
Or do the player sign with him who want the most money?”

I think it’s 50/50

by GoBabies!! on Aug 14, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF?

Are you being serious? You truly believe Mike’s dad had to tell Boras to sign the deal “a few dozen times”? You believe that he would allow another person to have that much control over his son’s future? No offense, but that’s an absolutely preposterous theory.

NY has it right – Boras is in an advisory role, and he works for his client and the client’s family, period. Boras makes himself look like the bad guy because he doesn’t want his clients to look like greedy assholes. You agree to sign with Boras because you want top dollar and have the stomach to play a two month game of bullshit, not because you’re a dumbass and are letting this man play games with your life.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 14, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

And as an advisor, if you believe that your client is going to accept too little $$, are you supposed to say, “Whatever you say”?

Jesus, if you have a stockbroker, that is working in your best interest, and you tell them to put all of your money in Enron stock, they probably would, but they probably wouldn’t the 1st time you asked.

by GoBabies!! on Aug 14, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think it at all possible

That Boras & The Mooses met the day of the deadline, and Boras gave them a rah rah speech about how, “If they don’t get to $x million, we’ll say no, I think its in your best interest. Your kid is phenomenal, and is only going to improve his stock with 2 years or more of college.” The Mooses left that meeting after drinking his cool aid, and then a few hours later, snapped out of it and said, wait a second, we need to take this?

by GoBabies!! on Aug 14, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At which time

Boras surely went through the motions of, “I thought we agreed that if they didn’t get to $x million we wern’t gonna sign Mr & Mrs Moose. Think about it” yadayadayada?

by GoBabies!! on Aug 14, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course they went back and forth

but Moose’s dad did not have to beg Boras to sign the contract a few dozen times. Again, he’s an advisor, not a puppetmaster. People pay him a commission for his expertise and advice, not to run their life.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 14, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who said Beg?

I never said, or implied beg.

I simply implied it wasn’t just, “sign now”, “yes sir”

by GoBabies!! on Aug 14, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

most likely scenario...

boras tells Moustakas on draft day: “look, I’m gonna get you $4m. we’re gonna wait til the last minute and then I’m going to circulate the story that I advised you to turn it down.” and now this year he’s circulating the story that THIS year’s gonna be the year that all his clients don’t sign. boras’s greatest skill may be pr and he’s definitely using the press to his advantage this year.

by billexgordler on Aug 15, 2008 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He always wants to make it seem like his draftee clients aren't willing to sign, because that makes for the best negotiating position

And of course, the first round guys almost always want to sign, because that’s what makes sense. For HS draftees, multi-millions now makes much more sense than rolling the dice that you’ll get more 3 years later. For college draftees, it is more complicated because they can sit out a year and get re-drafted. With even the slot money, it’s hard to lose out on a first round draftee nowadays. Boras knows this, but he’s going to play out his hand as much as possible. Some GM’s will blink. Most will not. But he’s not twisting anybody’s arm. He’s getting his clients what they want.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 15, 2008 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

So you’re comparing taking a $4 mill, way above slot bonus to putting all your money in Enron stock?

Whatever you say guy.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 14, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My god

Are you serious?

Can anyone on here take something anyone types as ANYTHING OTHER THAN LITERAL

by GoBabies!! on Aug 14, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

soooo...

you’re saying all your posts were just jokes?

by ZeppelinDZ on Aug 14, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just the funny ones

by GoBabies!! on Aug 14, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've not made one joke

post in this thread. It’s pretty cut & dry to me.

I used Enron b/c everyone knows it is (was) a shit stock. I could have said Wachovia b/c it is a shit stock right now, but a) i dont know who knows that and I’m sure it would have gotten catcalls anyway, and b) it is a shit stock now, but it will make those that invest in it now very rich when it rebounds, so it wasn’t a very good example.

I could have said “average stock” but that just isn’t very fun now is it.

My entire point in this ridiculously long thread within a thread is simply that just because Scott Boras is an ADVISOR to Moose/Hosmer, doesn’t mean that Boras does whatever Moose/Hosmer wants to right away, or without trying to persuade that they are making a poor decision.

If Boras REALLY though moose could have gotten $5 mil from KC, I GUARANTEE there was a discussion between Moose, his folks and Boras. if there WASN’T a discussion, as some people clearly feel due to some of the venomous responses I have gotten, then Boras MIGHT be the worst agent EVER, and I think we all know that isn’t true.

So, it comes down to this.

There is the POSSIBILITY that Hosmer/Hosmers parents have drank the Boras coolaid more so that moose’s parents did, and they are really going to sit there and wait until KC forks up $x million b/c they/Boras think he is worth that at this point.

Does Boras have the ability to say, “Eric, I know you’ll take $4 million, but I’m NOT GOING TO LET YOU SIGN FOR $4 MIl?” Absolutely not, but he can STRONGLY ADVISE Hosmer against signing for $4 mil, because he thinks a) KC will fold last minute, or b) he will be worth more than that in 2-3 years (depending on Juco or D1).

Is it POSSIBLE that Moose’s/Hosmers parents had/have said the entire time “If they offer $4 mil, we are taking it. You can wait until the last second to sign the deal if you have to, to see if they up the ante, but we are signing at $4 mil”? Absolutely. Me personally, I don’t buy into the whole, “Boras releases these false rumors” theory – (I haven’t researched it, I don’t care to, if you have a link to an article saying that, I’ll read it & draw my on conclusions.). If that discussion hasn’t been laid out (which, in retrospect to my 1st ‘dozen times’ comment, I’m sure it has), then Boras would surely make the parents say it more than once…..(i.e. not LITERALLY repeat it over & over, but like…. BORAS – “Mr & Mrs. Hosmer, I know you think we should take $4 mil, but why don’t you guys go have lunch and think about it, I still think we can get more.”…..that evening BORAS – "You
 should go have dinner at this 5 star restaurant. let my driver drive you, I’m working on getting more, I think we can get there, and I don’t think you should settle for $4 mil. I think you are selling your son short….etc etc etc.

So I’ll stick with what journalists I respect like Soren Petro have reported that reputable sources have said and that the Moose deal required an extension of around 15 minutes to complete, which tells me either a) KC upped the offer at the 11th hour, or b) Moose’s demands lessened at the 11th hour. Either are equally possible, but I’m leaning to the latter rather than the former.

Again, it is POSSIBLE that Boras squeezed every last possible tick of the clock trying to get KC to up their offer, when he knew that Moose would take $4 mil, then did whatever you need to do to get an extension, risking alienating client & team if said extension wasn’t granted, and he missed the deadline, costing said client $4 mil. I just don’t tend to buy into Boras as being the type to risk the potential damage a move like that could have to his future client list when said spurned client gets pissed & is all over sportscenter when he has to go dorm it for 3 years as opposed to buying a Bentley.

I’ve re-read this thing 3 times. I think all my points are spelled out enough that there shouldn’t be any mis-understanding of them. There may be a difference of OPINION and that is ok, I can handle that if you can

by GoBabies!! on Aug 15, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to admit

I wouldn’t be terribly upset about having the #3 and the #8-12 pick next year. I wasn’t thrilled with Hosmer.

That being said, I’m almost certain he’ll sign.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 14, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you weren't thrilled with the #3 overall pick this year...

…is it more likely that you’ll be happy with the #4 overall pick next year? I’m not talking about you or anyone always being dissatisfied. I’m just saying that what we get next year is an unknown. And if one disagrees with Moore’s draft philosophy, then one probably won’t like his pick next year either. And I think the Royals would be at a negotiation disadvantage next year for those two first round picks. If we failed to sign our first rounder in 2008, then we’d have to sign both first rounders in 2009.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 14, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily

I liked Moose. Just because I wasn’t thrilled with one pick doesn’t mean I don’t like his overall philosophy or his other first round picks.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 14, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I just prefer Hosmer now over an unknown #4 next year (and the poor negotiating postion which would come with it for both first rounders).

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 14, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

I have mixed feelings about Hosmer at #3, but drafting two high school guys next year means Royals fans have to wait even longer…

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 14, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather they get it done right, then get it done fast

But I think its all moot, the kid will sign.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 14, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was my big problem with Hosmer

I have no doubt that Hosmer could be a great player somewhere down the line. My major concern is that it is more likely to happen after some of our key players from our current squad have already departed.

The way to win championships is to amass as many talented players as you possibly can at the major league level at once. Maybe Hosmer will be some sort of wunderkind and advance to the bigs as soon as someone like Smoak or Posey, but odds are he’ll be there at least a year or two later. Unfortunately, I think our window for competing may have closed by that time, barring some totally awesome trades by Moore.

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by marbotty on Aug 15, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it is a sound draft philosophy to draft based on the MLB team's anticipated need 2-3 years in the future

I think you draft the best talent, period (particularly in the first round). And we really have no idea what the window is going to be. When will the current crop of players peak? When will the next crop of players (Moustakas, Hosmer, Giovatella, Melville, Cortes, Rosa, Wood, Duffy, etc.) peak? How many of the current group of young, talented players will get signed to extensions? Too many unknowns to say that the Royals window is 2010-2011 so we have to draft for that window.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 15, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More importantly

You draft the best talent because, if all else fails, you can use that talent to trade for what you DO need.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 16, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree with this statement

“The way to win championships is to amass as many talented players as you possibly can at the major league level at once.”

One, I don’t think there’s an exact “way” to win championships, but the best strategy seems to be to stockpile your minor league system with as much talent as possible, regardless of age. When a player on the parent team gets hurt or leaves the team via FA, you plug that hole with a young, talented player and don’t miss a beat. The postseason is a crap shoot, so by focusing on a strong minor league system from top to bottom instead of putting all your chips on one season, you are more likely to have continued success and a better chance of winning it all.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 15, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Whooo...hold up guys.

Some of you really want Hosmer to NOT sign? Bajeezuz. He’s a legit top five talent THIS YEAR. With that #4 pick next year, we would HAVE to take someone who would be willing to sign for slot, probably means reaching on someone, because we would get no compensation for that pick if we failed to sign him AGAIN.

As for talent? David Rawnsley said the three best HS hitters he’s seen in the last 20 years — Alex Rodriguez, Josh Hamilton, and…wait for it….Eric Hosmer. Rawnsley is not the god of evaluating prospects, but I really respect his opinion and saying that is really good enough for me.

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by doublestix on Aug 14, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Who said they didn't want Hosmer to sign?

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by devil_fingers on Aug 14, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One said he “kinda hopes Hosmer doesn’t sign” and at least one other said he wouldn’t mind if Hosmer didn’t sign. It’s probably an exaggeration to say that some genuinely want Hosmer to not sign, but there are some who see it is a mild positive if he doesn’t sign. I see it as more of a moderate negative.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 14, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd see it as an enormous negative.

Because we’d have to take a signability guy with that #4 (3b, if you will) pick. Wouldn’t be nearly the talent of Hosmer.

We could take a college player next year, but if Hosmer is as good as some think, he’ll get to the bigs just as quickly as a college guy taken next year would.

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by doublestix on Aug 14, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

We’d end up with someone like Casey Weather at #4, a college senior that has no leverage and is certainly not the caliber of prospect as Hosmer.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 14, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

don’t know why anyone wouldn’t want him signed, unless you are a baseball scout sharing us your in depth knowledge.

by I need more Esteban on Aug 14, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Hosmer is the complete package as a hitter, and will either provide GG-quality defense at 1st or solid defense in RF. He’s big, strong, fast, agile – everything you look for in an elite baseball prospect. You’re an idiot if you seriously hope we don’t sign this kid.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 14, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's one take

I’m a Hosmer fan but I’ve also heard him projected as Casey Kotchman maybe people don’t like that profile I wouldn’t consider them idiots.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 14, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kotchman

The Kotchman comp was more due to being a lefty HS 1st baseman with good size and a sweet swing. Hosmer has elite present and future power which Kotchman was never predicted to have, and that’s where that comp falls apart.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 14, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still the baseball draft is a very subjective thing.

Crow, Matusz, Smoak etc all were valid options just cause someone likes one them a bit more doesn’t make them an idiot. Maybe they just don’t have the patience for a HS.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 14, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still

saw a lot of Adam Dunn in him in the the footage I saw

by GoBabies!! on Aug 14, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree,

but I am still able to have an opinion based on (yes you are correct) the limited footage I have seen.

That being said, if the kid iturns out to be Babe Ruth instead of Adam Dunn, I have the capability to say I was wrong, Nice Pick GMDM. It’s part of the fun of being a fan for some, to put yourself in the shoes of the GM & play armchair GM.

NOBODY on here has said that the kid is worthless, or is a moronic pick, and quite frankly, anyone that goes that far IS an idiot.

by GoBabies!! on Aug 14, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you not like for him to be an Adam Dunn?

I don’t think I’d mind having a high OBP, high SLG player. I don’t know why anyone would.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 14, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he isn't Albert Pujols he's a bust!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 14, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t understand those who value low K’s and a high BA over a high OBP and a high SLG. The latter two are the most important of those stats, by far.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 14, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

High BA is the least important of the 4 you listed IMO.

It’s just something that was DRILLED into my head by my HS & college coaches. PUT THE BALL IN PLAY, make something happen, make the defense make a play. It doesn’t happen as much in MLB, but we just saw it in the Twins series on the Everett error. NOTHING, I mean NOTHING good comes from K’s (possibly the most obvious thing ever written).

IT has carried over from my playing days to my fan days, thats all. K’s are my pet peeve.

by GoBabies!! on Aug 15, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can understand having a pet peeve

But in the final analysis, getting on base and hitting for power are much more important than the frequency with which a player strikes out.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 15, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Putting the ball in play IS more valuable in HS and college

because of the inferior defense, singles often turn into doubles and doubles into triples.

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Aug 15, 2008 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

 I pointed that out

by GoBabies!! on Aug 15, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After watching NCAA baseball for a few years,

I’ve seen a lot of ground balls turn into baserunners due to fielding miscues. Even good college teams, such as Big-12 teams, have at least one or two mis-played balls per game.

Here is an article I wrote in January, 2007 about BABIP in college baseball.

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by James Quinn on Aug 15, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K's avoid GIDP.

So much for obvious.

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by jonfmorse on Aug 15, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll assume that was sarcasm...

or you’re writing in generalities…not about Pujols and Dunn.

by stlfan on Aug 15, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Liking someone more isn't wrong

but not wanting a team you root for to add an elite, top 20 overall prospect does make you an idiot. Sorry if you disagree with that but I’m not budging.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 14, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 14, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Goldstein at BP's update today
2. Pirates: Pedro Alvarez – Lots of posturing, but also lots of talks going on behind the scenes. This should still get done.

3. Royals: Eric Hosmer – Ditto Alvarez.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 15, 2008 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mellinger

Eric Hosmer is choosing between many millions and college, who here can’t relate?

Hosmer’s bonus might be closer to double baseball’s recommendation, something approaching or even passing $6 million. Still, like with Moustakas, Hosmer will most likely have to sign a deal with the Royals against Boras’ advice.

The vibes I continue to get from both sides are that something will probably be done, but that nobody would be surprised if it didn’t.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2008 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd be very surprised if Hosmer didn't sign

Boras always works hard to make it look like his draftees are willing to not sign. With college players, the threat is legitimate because the downside for them not signing isn’t huge. They only have to wait out a year and Hochevar and others have proved that you can not sign, wait out a year and get bigger money the next year. But how often do Boras clients who are HS draftees choose not to sign? I’m sure some (although still a pretty small minority) who get offered less than $1M end up not signing and then go to college. But how many HS draftees advised by Boras who are offered more than $1M end up not signing? There may well have been one, but I can’t think of one. The reason is if a HS player is offered something like $4M, the risk-benefit analysis of turning it down and going to college just doesn’t work. There’s too much risk that the player could fail, or get seriously injured in college, or that his stock could just drop and that he’d never get offered that much money again. Compare that risk to having $4M in your pocket right now and the choice is pretty clear.

Even going by the track record of Boras-advised HS draftees, you have to expect that this deal is going to get done.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 15, 2008 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boras clients

JD Drew and Matt Harrington both rejected million dollar offers. Luke Hochevar also had Boras as an agent when he first negotiated with the Dodgers.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, duh

Drew and Hooch were not HSers.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last night on Home Plate they said

Posey is close to signing a 7.5M deal from the Giants.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 15, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a college player, he has much more leverage

I don’t think that is going to push Hosmer’s number up too much.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 15, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No I don't think so either

just thought it was an interesting number. Yonder Alonso is talking about 7m+pro contract or he sits. It will be interesting to see what he settles for.

KC Star said Melville signed for 1.25M

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 15, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Harrington is the one glaring example

…and he’s basically the big cautionary tale for top 10 HS draftees. If you don’t sign, you could end up like Matt Harrington who basically tossed his lottery ticket in the garbage can.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 15, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harrington's story reminds me of the

old story of the drowning swimmer who keeps saying God will save him.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 15, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boras was not Harrington's first "adviser," however.

By the time Boras got involved, I think the well had already been poisoned.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 16, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's official 810am and KC Royals are reporting Melville signed for 1.5M

now all we have to wait on is Hosmer. I guess we’ll know tomorrow its kind of like Christmas we’ll all wake up and see whats under the tree a bright shiny present or a lump of coal courtesy of David Glass.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 15, 2008 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great news!

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I'll drink to that.


The only thing that beats wine and donuts is wine, donuts and good baseball news.

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by James Quinn on Aug 15, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they got him cheap

Great draft pick for the Royals. At $1.5M, he’s a steal. It’s amazing that 7th rounder Esposito wouldn’t take $1.5M.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 15, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

$1.5 mil.

was what he was asking for in June. They really couldn’t have gotten this done sooner?

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Aug 15, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of people on this site

think they did get it done sooner, but MLB wanted them to keep it under wraps so as not to effect other negotiations.

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by devil_fingers on Aug 15, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few things

1. His initial demand was $1.7M
2. He ended up signing for $1.25M
3. The word is that this deal was done over a month ago and then sent to MLB for final approval. And MLB sat on it because they didn’t want to announce big over-slot deals until close to the deadline.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 15, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was done the way it sounds a long time ago MLB doesn't like to announce over slot picks until the deadline.

Especially as far over slot he is.
FOURTH ROUND ‘08 Bonus ’08 Est. Slot ’07 Est. Slot ’06 Est. Slot
113. TB: Ty Morrison, of +$500,000 $297,000 $261,000 $290,000
114. Pit: Chase D’Arnaud, ss $293,000 $293,000 $258,750 $287,500
115. KC: Tim Melville, rhp $1,250,000 $290,000 $254,250 $282,500
116. Bal: Kyle Hudson, of $287,000 $287,000 $252,000 $280,000
117. SF: Brandon Crawford, ss $375,000 $283,000 $247,500 $275,000
118. Fla: Curtis Petersen, rhp $350,000 $280,000 $243,000 $270,000
119. Cin: Tyler Cline, rhp $240,000 $277,000 $240,750 $267,500
120. CWS: Drew O’Neil, rhp $260,000 $273,000 $238,500 $265,000
121. Was: Graham Hicks, lhp $475,000 $270,000 $236,250 $262,500
122. Hou: T.J. Steele, of $267,000 $267,000 $234,000 $260,000
123. Tex: Joe Wieland, rhp $263,000 $263,000 $231,750 $257,500
124. Oak: Anthony Capra, lhp $260,000 $260,000 $229,500 $255,000
125. StL: Scott Gorgen, rhp $250,000 $257,000 $227,250 $252,500
126. Min: Danny Ortiz, of $253,000 $253,000 $225,000 $250,000
127. LAD: Devaris Strange-Gordon, rhp $250,000 $250,000 $222,750 $247,500
128. Mil: Josh Romanski, lhp $247,000 $247,000 $220,500 $245,000
129. Tor: Mark Sobolewski, 3b $243,000 $243,000 $218,250 $242,500
130. Atl: Braeden Schlehuber, c $240,000 $240,000 $211,500 $235,000
131. ChC: Matt Cerda, ss/c $500,000 $237,000 $207,000 $230,000
132. Sea: Steven Hensley, rhp $233,000 $233,000 $204,750 $227,500
133. Det: Brett Jacobson, rhp $230,000 $230,000 $202,500 $225,000
134. NYM: Sean Ratliff, of $225,000 $227,000 $200,250 $222,500
135. SD: Jason Kipnis, of Unsigned $223,000 $193,500 $215,000
136. Phi: Trevor May, rhp $375,000 $220,000 $191,250 $212,500
137. Col: Ethan Hollingsworth, rhp $215,000 $217,000 $189,000 $210,000
138. Ari: Ryne White, of $213,000 $213,000 $186,750 $207,500
139. LAA: Buddy Boshiers, lhp $210,000 $210,000 $184,500 $205,000
140. NYY: Corban Joseph, ss $207,000 $207,000 $182,250 $202,500
141. Cle: David Roberts, rhp $200,000 $203,000 $180,000 $200,000
142. Bos: Pete Hissey, of Unsigned $200,000 $177,750 $197,500

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
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by kcscoliny on Aug 15, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI

MLB doesn’t want teams to complete above-slot signings until much later in the process. The Cubs were actually fined $500,000 this year for announcing an above-slot deal too early.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 15, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just wish we could of signed,

31 925 Ryan Curl OF St. Francis DeSales HS, Columbus, Ohio

by cfizzle on Aug 15, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's still time

I hope he signs too.

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by doublestix on Aug 15, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other Late Signings?

What’s the scuttle on #50 Travis Jones?

Also, isn’t it reasonable we might sign another one or two of our latter picks right before the deadline? My thinking is that several are planning to go to college but that we’ll throw a little more money at them and change their mind.

I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Aug 15, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's reasonable

Happens every year.

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by doublestix on Aug 15, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Travis Jones

sounds like it’s a done deal, just waiting to announce because it’s over slot.

I would love to sign at least one of Ryan Curl, Malcolm Bronson, or Beau Brett, but am not holding my breath.

No matter what happens, it will be a fantastic draft if we end up with Hosmer and Melville, two of the top 15 overall prospects in this draft.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 15, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More Info on Travis Jones

What’s the story and scouting report on this guy? I don’t know anything about him other than what’s listed above.

I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Aug 15, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Catcher with plus power

I believe he won a HR derby with some big stars in it, including Hosmer. That’s about all I know though.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 15, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What’s the slot for a 50th rounder?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 16, 2008 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The slotting system doesn't go that deep

With a round that late, there is no slot. Basically “slot” for that round would be $1,000 or less.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 16, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AVILANCHE II

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 16, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fingers crossed

With about eight hours to go it looks like KU might get some very good news late tonight. Zac Elgie has not signed with Oakland and I am really starting to abandon myself to hope here. Elgie committed to KU last year but he was projected as a high round draft choice. He sent out a letter earlier this summer saying he would only sign for early round round money, otherwise he was going to KU. Oakland took him in the 12th round and he hasn’t signed yet.

Lee Ridenhour, a Missouri high school pitcher, was taken in the 31st round by the Twins. He looks like he will be coming to KU as well. This could be a very good night for the Hawks.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Aug 15, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ridenhour

Where in Missouri is he from?

I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Aug 15, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great day for KU!

Both Elgie and Ridenhour are coming to KU. A very good recruiting class for Ritch Price. I am pretty excited about next season already. I hate the off season!

Here is the RCT story on the fall 2008 roster.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Aug 16, 2008 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Matusz signed with Baltimore

$3.2M bonus he is the 4th pick in the draft so it gives the Royals a base to start from. I still think the Royals land Hosmer for the $4M range that Moustakas got last year maybe a slight upgrade but not much. 1 year later but 1 pick later should earn him about the same money.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 15, 2008 4:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Matusz received an MLB deal.

Not that Howsmer can realisticaly demand this, being a high schooler.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Aug 15, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

baseball tonight

reported that hosmer signed, but no additional details. pedro alvarez signed as well.

Alex Gordon in '08

by RoyalJHWKR on Aug 16, 2008 12:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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