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Hosmer signs

The Kansas City Star's Sam Mellinger has the scoop here:

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/751250.html

 

Terms are not yet available, but Mellinger does indicate that Hosmer did not receive a major-league deal, so he won't start on our 40-man roster--a good thing.  Otherwise, though, Mellinger's writeup doesn't contain a ton of new material, but this is very very good news for Royals fans, and it caps what appears to be an excellent draft at the outset for GMDM and Co.

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Mellinger also said that Hosmer accepted the deal over the advice of Boras. Hah.

by DarthYoshi on Aug 16, 2008 1:01 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is very good at his job

He is very good at getting his players the most money possible. And that isn’t good for baseball in general or small market teams like the Royals in particular.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 16, 2008 2:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah...its not at all his job to police baseball, the salaries, etc....

that’s seligs job

and for those of you down there saying he’s not that good…theres still another contract within like 70 million of Arod’s first contract…he also got him, JD Drew, I believe Burnett, opt out clauses which allowed them to have a shit ton of guaranteed money should they get hurt, get worse at baseball, etc…but also allow them to get another HUGE payday if those things dont happen.

he just got a guy who’s 32 years old like $300 million guaranteed

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Aug 16, 2008 2:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know about other people,

but I’ll tell you why I hate Boras:

He’s an arrogant, self-absorbed prick. (That’s enough reason to say fuck somebody even if they are good at their job.)

As NYRoyal said, he isn’t good for baseball as a whole, let alone teams like the Royals.

He’s a liar.

I’m sure there’s more, but I don’t think it really matters. I guess the bottom line is you don’t have to be an asshole to be good at your job, and I really think its becoming debatable how good he is at his job anyway. He’s a skilled agent, but in reality, his high-profile clients are gonna get a shitload of money no matter what. Let’s look at some of the top picks this year:

1) Beckham – $6.15M guaranteed
2) Alvarez – $6M guaranteed
3) Hosmer – $6M guaranteed
4) Matusz – $6.67M
5) Posey – $6.2M guaranteed
7) Alonso – $6.55M guaranteed

Guess which two are Boras clients. That’s right, the two lowest numbers. And Boras takes out a well above average 5% commission. Sure, he’s good at his job, but not really that much better than other agents who probably charge less anyway. He’s living on an outdated reputation, and baseball executives are starting to catch on to his shit. Wonder why Boras advised Hosmer to not sign? My guess is that he realized he couldn’t get as much for Hosmer as other agents got for similar talent, and he would rather lose the $300,000 than take the hit to his pride/reputation.

I’m up too late, and I know that this is somewhat of a pointless rant, but I guess all of this is just to say “Fuck Boras.”

by KCBear on Aug 16, 2008 4:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The last part is probably right… screw the $300k and not sign the kid.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 16, 2008 9:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't blame Boras

This may be the only big contract many of these guys sign. I don’t blame them for wanting to get every penny. Better them than David Glass and the other scummy owners.

OTOH, I don’t think Boras is nearly as good as people make him out to be. As KCBear points out, he seems to have gotten some of the lower bonuses.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 16, 2008 12:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

For the Glass coment alone. I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought that 3 years of meeting expectations doesn’t even make up for all the other crap (i.e., the fact that the problem “rebuilding” is due, in my opinion, even more to Glass than to Baird), much less make him an “good owner.”

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 16, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meeting expectations

What are reasonable spending expectations for an owner? Has Glass merely met reasonable expectations with regard to spending the last couple of years? These questions are not me making a point; I’m genuinely asking the questions. And I think they are difficult questions to answer. I do think he’s radically changed his approach with regard to spending on MLB salaries, scouting, Latin America and the draft.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 16, 2008 12:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he may have stopped medling.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 16, 2008 3:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he is making up for what he created.

I don’t know what the magic number is but he seems to be really willing to make up for lost time/being cheap. $10M+ on the draft is a great start it seems GMDM has sold him on the draft something I don’t think Baird could do or tried to do. $91M in FA and more to come this year hopefully is definitely a good start. In the end Glass only has to do one thing, allow GMDM or whoever is in power the chance to compete long term.

I myself don’t really trust Glass this is not “His Team” this is a business one that in the short term he has turned into a very profitable venture 96M to 300+M. Only his commitment long term can really change any of that. I will admit he is definitely making strides but it will take more than a couple good years.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 17, 2008 12:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

$6 million signing bonus

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 16, 2008 1:26 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amazingly

That is actually less guaranteed money than the 4th and 5th picks received. There was a lot of money handed out in this year’s draft.

by KCBear on Aug 16, 2008 1:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After Boras and Taxes

It’s “only” about $3.42 million.

by KCBear on Aug 16, 2008 5:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we need to set up a collection fund for Hosmer

or a bake sale

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by marbotty on Aug 18, 2008 2:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In other news

Douche on “SportsCenter” calls him JOE-KIM again.

Banny being Banny.

by JobDDT on Aug 16, 2008 1:30 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baseball America says:

that its just a straight bonus deal(not MLB?).

It seems to be basically the same package given to Alvarez in the #2 spot.

I refuse to set up a signature....DAMMIT

by RoyalPug on Aug 16, 2008 3:13 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Draft Signing Cap?

Somehow, MLB is going to try to institute a bonus ceiling… the slots didn’t work. I think the slots may have actually made prices go up this year. Agents needed a little cash after last years lower deals. They collaborated to get more money this year!

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 16, 2008 9:29 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If they try to implement a ceiling

which amounts to a “salary cap” on total bonuses paid out, it will be a colossal disaster. The top picks will still command the same money.

If it amounts to a maximum bonus, I think that will fail as well — because what will happen is that the 18th pick will demand that maximum, and the argument will be “you can’t say I deserve less money than the #1 pick, because the #1 pick isn’t getting anywhere near what he would be worth in a free market anyway.”

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 16, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Draft 2009

Where do we pick and do we pick Crow, pitcher, college guy, or best HS hitter available?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 16, 2008 9:29 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll probably end up picking at about #10 overall

And I think they’ll take the best talent available, whether pitcher or position player, HS, college or independent. Maybe Crow. He’ll be motivated to sign next year.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 16, 2008 9:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and probably for a slight discount. Just like Hoch

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 16, 2008 9:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crow would be a awesome pick to me

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 16, 2008 10:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...if he'll sign

I think he’ll be 22 next year, and it would be terrible for him to miss another year of minor-league instruction. Consider that Hochevar and Greinke are only a month or so apart in age, but we’ve been able to mold Greinke for much longer than Hoch.

by DarthYoshi on Aug 16, 2008 11:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don’t get me wrong, I think Hoch will be great. I think he needs to throw the 4 seam 94 more than he has… maybe he’s thrown it once this season? Everyone says location, movement, velocity. But I think there is still a place for a well timed 94 4-seamer that stays straighter. Maybe on an 0-2 or maybe the first pitch of an AB in a tough situation or maybe not to walk someone on the 3-2? Big league hitters know enough about pitchers that they leave the pitch that starts in the bottom of the zone alone with Hoch… they go after stuff that starts high. Just to get rid of that, it’d be great to mess up hitters with the 4 seam.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 16, 2008 11:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meh

He was supposedly the best of a weak pitching class this year. He might be a good pick for #10 next year, but I’m willing to bet there are going to be quite a few better players available when we pick. Crow only projects as a mid-rotation guy – kinda like Hooch. Those guys are valuable, but we really need to start finding some All-Stars.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 16, 2008 12:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Guys like Alex Gordon and Luke Hochevar are solid, but where is the next Mark Redman? The sucessor to Ken Harvey?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 16, 2008 12:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Next year's HS pitching class is ridiculous

There are at least 4 guys right now who look like automatic top ten picks. Of course, anything can change between now and next June.

Founder of the Rowdy Hardy Fan Club

by eazyb81 on Aug 16, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two Thoughts

(I posted something similar on the main draft thread)

1. Is anyone else as shocked as I am that we went this far above slot? Hosmer’s bonus was just slightly below what TB gave Beckham as the 1st pick, exactly what Pedro Alvarez received, and $2 mill more than what Moustakas received last year. I love that it appears we were willing to do whatever it took to get our man, but still, I never would have guessed we would be willing to go that high – our scouts must love him.

2. It will be interesting to see if we keep him at 1st base or try him out in the OF. Some have speculated that he could play a corner OF spot, and on the surface it seems like he might be more valuable in a corner spot. Of course, he supposedly has GG-quality defense at 1st, so maybe we’ll just leave him there.

Founder of the Rowdy Hardy Fan Club

by eazyb81 on Aug 16, 2008 12:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Move him to catcher!

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 16, 2008 12:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish 2012 was tomorrow

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 16, 2008 12:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

beckham likely couldve gotten more...

but he wanted to start playing immediately..for the experience…and to form a DP combo with his older brother

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Aug 16, 2008 2:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks like

Lots of teams went over slot, but many didn’t cave in to ridiculous demands. I wonder what this means going forward.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 16, 2008 12:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it means

that both teams and agents both realize the slotting system is completely ridiculous, and teams should pay players based on how much they value them.

Founder of the Rowdy Hardy Fan Club

by eazyb81 on Aug 16, 2008 12:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But, but

Bud will severely criticize them! And this time he means it!!!

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 16, 2008 12:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baseball needs a new commish

any thoughts on who? I have no idea.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 16, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

obama

Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.

by wildthang on Aug 16, 2008 3:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dubya

supposedly he wants it.

Founder of the Rowdy Hardy Fan Club

by eazyb81 on Aug 16, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That might actually drive me away from the sport.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Aug 16, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate how self-righteous and self-important right-wingers are!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 16, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FUCK YOU!

I hate elitist socialist left wingers.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Aug 17, 2008 1:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks like I should have some up with an "irony font"

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 17, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FUCK YOU BOTH!

I hate everything. I’m going to go listen to Dashboard while drinking a strawberry whatchamacallitthatgirlsandDerekJeterdrink.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Aug 17, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he might actually be good at it...

decisiveness hasnt been an issue with him…

you think he’d have let steroids run rampant for 15 years?

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Aug 16, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He sure put his foot down in Texas!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 16, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't mess with texas

Founder of the Rowdy Hardy Fan Club

by eazyb81 on Aug 16, 2008 5:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dubya would be a good choice

he has ran every business he has ever managed into the ground. If they put him in office soccer would pass up baseball faster then Michael Phillips passes people in a pool

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 16, 2008 6:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One could make a very good argument

that Bush ran the Rangers better than anyone else who ever owned them.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 16, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Comparing a turd

to a bucket of crap is easy to do.


I’m sure the juice didn’t help at all

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 16, 2008 9:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wasn't in Bud's job description either, remember? It wasn't against the rules.

Just U. S. Law, sort of like, I don’t know, wiretapping.

Dubya wasn’t exactly stopping “The Chemist” from doing his work in Arlington.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 16, 2008 6:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The use of performance enhancing drugs was banned by the MLB back

in the 1990’s by Fay Vincent. The testing policy is newer. The specific list of banned drugs is newer. The increased penalties are new. But use of PEDs has been against MLB rules for over 20 years now.

FWIW, Cansaco said GWB would have had to be blind to not know about the rampant PED use in the Rangers while he was owner. If this is accurate then I guess Bush can either be called asleep on the job (gasp!) or ignoring a growing problem (double gasp!)

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by James Quinn on Aug 17, 2008 5:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not defending nor something....

How often does an owner go into the clubhouse? Unless the owner is a meddler? But, in a realistic season, how many times has Glass been in our clubhouse? Preseason? I don’t think it’d be hard to hide it from an owner if he was never down there and was always upstairs. Someone would have to tell him. On the contrary, how many times has Stienbrener been in the Yanks clubhouse this year? I’d have to guess only a handful. Owners tend to run things from upstairs in their box. Or, just allow the people they put in charge to run it.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 17, 2008 11:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which Steinbrenner

hopefully not the one that is dying. Trust me these guys knew what was going on. Players were getting stuff sent to the clubhouse, minor league players were doing it, etc. It was just a inside secret one that IMO Mark McGwire let out of the bag. McGwire’s andro helped it by slowly pushing the rock while his former teammate (Canceco) shoved it down the hill. It was too wide spread for these GM’s/owners to not know what was going on. Do you really think these owners are just sticking their head in the sand on their $500M hobbies?

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 17, 2008 12:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

some of them, yes.

I’m sure there are a lot of owners that never even make it to the stadium in a year. I’m talking all sports. They put someone in charge, as long as there is income, the live in the Bahama’s or somewhere… Maybe Dallas. I don’t know. But i’m sure there are owners who have no idea.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 17, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, but this is a really ridiculous assertion if you think about it.

Name a team whose owner and general manager spend more time in the clubhouse than the local beat writers.

As far as what happens in the clubhouse, the buck stops with the field manager. It doesn’t go upstairs until/unless something happens which makes it a media problem, or the manager’s had enough and needs a player to be gone.

And Canseco is still the least credible source for anything ever. Yeah, fine, he threw a bunch of shit at the wall and some of it coincidentally stuck. Doesn’t “Vindicate” his lying, self-promoting, desperate-for-attention-and-money ass.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 18, 2008 6:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All owners are not equal
Name a team whose owner and general manager spend more time in the clubhouse than the local beat writers.

At least you guys are sold on that. I don’t believe it these type of people are ultracompetitive business leaders that have operated mega million dollar companies. They are full of different types of people micromanagers/handsoff/deligators. You can’t pigeon hole all owners as the same type people. There is absolutely no way a guy like Steinbrenner didn’t know about his players taking roids and I’m sure he is not the only one who micromanages their team. Yes some owners like Glass are hands off but not all. Also the owners stick together and protect each other like brothers it is not unbelieveable to think they knew what was going on. As far as Bush is concerned it is probably very believeable he didn’t know what was going on as I don’t even think he was majority owner of the team so he was no more than a fan who co-owned the team. Also even if told I’m sure he didn’t even know steroids were illegal in the US. As for all owners not knowing if you believe that well I have some land to sell you.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 18, 2008 12:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is it on the moon because I’ve already got some…..

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 18, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bernie Mac would have been a good choice

Pretty funny. LIkes baseball. A Milawaukee fan (friend of Bud’s?). Doesn’t give a crap what people think.

Would LOVE to see him have a sit down with Jeffrey Loria.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 16, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was very funny in Bad Santa

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by James Quinn on Aug 17, 2008 5:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He Also Had

A very good sitcom on Fox for a few years.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 17, 2008 12:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bwahaha

Yuo said “very good sitcom on Fox.”

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Aug 17, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've Liked Several

Fox sitcoms, like “Inside Herman’s Head” and the criminally underappreciated George Carlin sitcom (he pulled the plug of that one). “Malcom In The Middle” has its moments, too.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 18, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like "Married With

Children".

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 18, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's the deal with Jim Callis?

Is he born and raised New England? Or just doesn’t pay attention to small markets?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 17, 2008 11:13 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's like the old adage "The Whiny Bird gets the Blog Shout-out"

Just kidding — that’s pretty cool.

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by marbotty on Aug 18, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good job KCS!

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Aug 17, 2008 10:25 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fascinating interview with Jim Bowden

On the disastrous Aaron Crow negotiations. Not sure how much you can believe Bowden, but I’m sure there are some nuggets of truth in there.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2008/08/more_than_3700_words_from_jim.html

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 18, 2008 11:31 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

interesting

When it got to the point where we could not do an MRI, we explained to them that no longer we could do a major-league contract. The same reason why Hosmer didn’t get one

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by marbotty on Aug 18, 2008 2:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also interesting

just want to make sure that you’re aware that you all rejected $3.5 [million] and we hope you reconsider because we really want you a National. And the dad said, ‘Look, I’m tired. My adviser, Randy and Alan Hendricks, are handling negotiations and they’re making the decisions.’

Sort of lends credence to the “Boras sucks” rant.

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