Who are the top 10 prospects now?

Who are the Royals top 10 prospects now? I know that this will be done at the end of the season but I'm just way to excited for our minor leaguers right now.

I figure the definites are:
1.Moustakas
2.Hosmer
3.Melville
4.Cortes
5.Duffy
6.Wood
7.Rosa

The rest I'm not sure of. Kila? Pimental? Giovatella?
Whose on your list right now?

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some already have hosmer ahead of Moose

by ZeppelinDZ on Aug 19, 2008 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i would go

Hosmer
Moustakas
Cortes
Melville
Duffy
Montgomery
Rosa
then some collection of other pitchers that are all pretty even

by ZeppelinDZ on Aug 19, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

really?

That’s surprising because Moose has proven himself at one level already, is that because they think he could be the better of the two? Defense?

by I need more Esteban on Aug 19, 2008 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

its be no means the majority opinion

but its all about potential for those ppl (me included)

by ZeppelinDZ on Aug 19, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pimentel and Mitchell in the top ten. Runion or Montgomery could take the last spot, Kila could certainly take it. I’m not quite as high yet on Giovatella, but he could be there next year with a strong showing.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 19, 2008 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

IMO

1. Moustakas
2. Hosmer
3. Cortes
4. Duffy
5. Melville
6. Montgomery
7. Rosa
8. Kila
9. Dickerson
10. Blake Wood
11. Cegarra
12. G-Man
13. Bianchi
14. Hayes
15. Pimintel
16. Orlando
17. Sample
18. Adrian Ortiz
19. Jason Taylor
20. Derrick Robinson

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 19, 2008 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow, shouldn't Rosa be above Duffy, Melville and Montgomery?

The combination of stuff, control and minor league performance puts him just barely below Cortes in my book.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Could be

Duffy has been more impressive at the midwest league than Rosa was and at a younger age. Melville and Montgomery were both high round picks and usually those guys get ranked higher. Rosa, Duffy and Montgomery are all having good years and I moved Rosa down mostly in the hopes that come next year he will be eliminated from the prospect list.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 19, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The current years 1st round pick....

is 99% of the time immedietly inserted as the #1 prospect. It is in no way, shape or form a subjective rating of Moose or Hosmer.

by GoBabies!! on Aug 19, 2008 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think after what Moustakas has done in low-A at age 19, he'll be ranked higher than Hosmer

In short, they’ve both got the really good scouting report, but Moustakas has a good minor league season on Hosmer.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Concur

Yep, that’s the way I see it.

I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Aug 19, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats not true at all

by ZeppelinDZ on Aug 19, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really

don’t put stock into prospect ratings at all on an individual basis.

How many times was Lubanski in our top 5? Did that speak to Lubanski’s potential or the lack of talent in our system? I’ll take the latter.

I look at about the top 10-15, but even that isn’t reliable (Aviles & Kila weren’t in the top 20 heading into thie year I believe).

And, I’d wager that of the teams that drafted in the top 10, 9 of them will have this years #1 DP as their #1 prospect. It’s the nature of the list. David Price will be an exception almost surely.

Despite his solid season & 2nd half surge, I’d be SHOCKED if BA didn’t have Hosmer @ #1 over moose. They typically do that unless the previous years pick is just insanely good, and I don’t think they’ll view Moose’s season as such.

by GoBabies!! on Aug 19, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’d wager that of the teams that drafted in the top 10, 9 of them will have this years #1 DP as their #1 prospect.

I’d take that bet in a second. I don’t think that will happen this year because it rarely works out that way that 90% of the top 10 picks become that teams #1 prospect immediately. Usually those teams already had one or more top 20 MLB prospect in their system already (as they do this year).

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Correct

but unless said prospect has done something substantial (i.e. Price), he will be bumped to # 2 because said current 1st rounder might be amazing, whereas last years #1 pick wasn’t.

It’s semantics. The difference beteween Hosmer & Moose being # 1 & #2 at this point is absolutely, 100% moot.

by GoBabies!! on Aug 19, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Those top prospects usually do something substantial which keeps them at #1

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK

Price – #1 overall Rays – exceptional

Moose – above average

Vitters – #3 overall Cubs 2007 – average

Moskos – #4 overall Pittsburg 2007 – below average

Wieters – #5 overall Orioles – exceptional

Detwiler – #6, Nats – average

LaPorta – #7 Brewers – above average – changed org…

Weathers – # 8 Rox – below avg/avg

Parker – # 9 AZ – Avg/above avg

Bumgarner – # 10 SFO – Exceptional

Top 10 = EWho will remain # 1?

Weiters,Price, who else?

Teams that drafted outside the top 10 in ‘07, and then drafted in the top 10 in ’08 will surely all have new #1’s. Teams that were in the top 10, and then outside the top 10 (like the Cubs) will probably keep the ’07 pick as #1.

by GoBabies!! on Aug 19, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You've switched

You were talking about this year’s first round DP becoming the #1 prospect in his team’s system. So, shouldn’t we be comparing this year’s top 10 DP to their team’s #1 prospect? Now it looks like you’re comparing them to last year’s first ten draft picks.

Now the one thing that will help some of this year’s draft picks get to #1 in their team’s system is the graduation of the #1 prospect to the majors. But, if we’re talking about the Royals situation — the kind of situation we’ve been debting — where the #1 prospect is still going to be a prospect next year — it is not true that they usually supplant the previous #1 prospect in his team’s system (if that prospect is still eligible).

But as to your list. Vitters hit well above average (.891 OPS from a 19-year-old in SS ball is way above average). Weathers has pitched well above average (3.15 ERA with more K/s than IP in his first full professional season in AA ball). Looks like this year’s draft picks are going to have a hard time moving ahead of a lot of those guys.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

I didn’t take the 1/2 hour to look it up, but I assumed that last years #1 was the #1 prospect per organization.

I wasn’t trying to switch my stance

by GoBabies!! on Aug 19, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you can't assume something to be true in order to prove that very point

your logic is…well…

by ZeppelinDZ on Aug 19, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My logic

is unable to be concluded in the time constraints povided by my company, I’ll do the research this evening and declare my accuracy or inaccuracies of my assumptions

by GoBabies!! on Aug 19, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fair enough

by ZeppelinDZ on Aug 19, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK, here goes....

According to Baseball Americas Top 10 prospects lists…

Of the teams that drafted in the top 10 of the ’07 draft….

Their ’07 Draft pick was rated #1 – 4 times (Royals, Cubs, Orioles, Brewers) on lists complied last winter.

Teams that drafted in the top 10 2 years in a row were Royals, Rockies, Rays, Pirates, mariners, Orioles, Giants.

Longoria was still # 1 for the Rays, over D. Price, but Longoria was a monster in waiting.

The Pirates Draft pick of Moskos made his debut @ #5, behind 4 guys that I am not too familiar with (thank god for the Pirates, they make the Royals look smart), I’m guessing he was more of a signability pick?

Detwiler with the Nationals debuted at #2, behind Chris Marrero, a HS player that was taken #15 overall in ‘06 ,who put up #’s similar to Moose Tacos this season in ’07.

Weathers with the Rockies started out at NUMBER SIX on the Rox top 10.

Jarrod Parker in AZ was #2, behind Carlos Gonzalez, who was a Latin teen when signed, subsequently traded to the A’s for Haren.

BUmgarner for the Giants was #3 behind Angel Villalona, 3b & Tim Alderson, rhp

The Giants draft pick wasn’t on the ’07 list as he was past MLB minimums (Lincecum).

Based on last years draft, I was incorrect in saying that the current #1 pick is usually the default #1 prospect.

However, I still say the point is moot, as prospect rank doesn’t mean a damn thing.

by GoBabies!! on Aug 19, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

However, I still say the point is moot, as prospect rank doesn’t mean a damn thing.

hehe, there you go

another thing to consider which likely skews what can be observed is top prospects often get such ranking from being close to the majors, thus graduate at a high rate giving new draftees bumbs up the ratings.

by ZeppelinDZ on Aug 20, 2008 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea

Which is what I found when I was looking through the different teams top 10 lists.

It seemed like a lot of the #1 guys in organizations lists that came out last winter were HS guys that were taken in ’05.

I still think, for the record, even though I don’t personally give a damn how they are ranked, that Hosmer will be #1 & Moose will be #2

by GoBabies!! on Aug 20, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Offensive Players only

1. Moustakas
2. Hosmer
3. Kila
4. Van Stratten
5. Taylor
6. Josh Vittek?

Everyone pretty much sucks after this point.

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by marbotty on Aug 19, 2008 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

A couple of significant omissions

Joe Dickerson definitely deserves to be in the top 4 on that list. Also, if Taylor is on the list before the “pretty much everyone else sucks” point, then Derrick Robinson deserves to be before that break too. Probably Jeff Bianchi as well.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's nothing in Dickerson's profile that makes me think he'll be worth anything

He does have pretty decent plate discipline, but even then, his career minor league OPS is well below .800, and it doesn’t look like he’ll ever be able to hit for power. He’s still young, but I’m not terribly optimistic.

You can say that Taylor’s in the same boat with regard to the OPS, but one thing I do like about the guy is that, despite hitting only .223, he’s got an OBP of .359 and SLG of .383. If his batting average were just to improve to .250, he’d be OPS’ing over .800. If it improved to .290, he’d be pushing .900.

Robinson = Slappy Joe.

As for Bianchi, you can consider me a fan, but the guy’s been hurt so often and is performing so poorly, I have to think he’s finished, or close to it.

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by marbotty on Aug 19, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Van Stratten

you must be looking at OPS only. He is 23 years old at low A ball with 1 HR in 122 ab’s I’ll go with Dickerson.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 19, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

to be honest, I should have just ended my list after #2.

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by marbotty on Aug 19, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's pretty ridiculous

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i know... we should fire our GM

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by marbotty on Aug 19, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on, Marbotty

For you to state or imply that pretty much every Royals position player prospect after Hosmer and Moustakas basically sucks is ridiculous. They are not very high upside guys, but there are some genuine prospects there. Top 100 MLB prospects? Definitely not. Decent prospects with some upside? Of course. Are you familiar with Sickel’s prospect grading scale? “A” prospects are elite prospects. B prospects are very good prospects. C prospects are pretty good prospects. Before this season, Sickels gave Bianchi a C+, Robinson a C and Dickerson a C. Do you think Dickerson’s stock has fallen? Do you think Giavotella hitting like he’s hitting at 21 in A-ball means he’s not even a C prospect? Do you think Kila’s AA/AAA spectacular season at age 24 is meaningless? You have to at least attempt to evaluate these guys objectively, don’t you?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you like C prospects, you must love Justin Huber at C+!

(Not to mention Craig Brazell and Lubanski, both of which ranked higher than the guys you mentioned.)

Now, yes, I am being obtuse, but hopefully hilariously so. As for objectivity, I don’t think you can objectively state that beyond Kila and Giovatella and perhaps Dickerson, there’s a whole lot of reason for optimism.

If you’re the type of guy that likes tuna club sandwiches when all of the people around you are enjoying filet mignon, then yeah, I guess we can get excited about the rest of these prospects. But really, I think we’re just looking at shades of gray here.

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by marbotty on Aug 19, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

As for objectivity, I don’t think you can objectively state that beyond Kila and Giovatella and perhaps Dickerson, there’s a whole lot of reason for optimism.

I definitely agree. I have long said (along with everybody else) that the Royals minor league system is very, very, very short on good or even decent position player prospects. I just didn’t at all agree with the wild exaggeration that after Hosmer and Moustakas, the Royals have no decent prospects (or that every one else simply sucks).

I’m not saying we should be excited by Robinson, Taylor, etc. But they are more than sucky organizational filler.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

then we'll just have to agree to agree

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by marbotty on Aug 19, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

As long as we're not agreeing that every Royals position player prospect sucks outside of Hosmer and Moustakas

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think maybe there may have been some hyperbole thrown in there

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by marbotty on Aug 19, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You've got to use the [/hypb] tag

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know how much you follow the minor leagues

so I don’t know whether you are serious or not. I think you need to get a little bit beyond OPS and realize the environments in which these guys are playing. Also you need to look at these guys ages as well. You listed Van Stratten and Vittek who are both older for the level they are playing at currently. Dickerson, Giovatella, Bianchi,Orlando are all younger, better and have more tools than those two. We all know the position players that GMDM inherited so to say he needs fired is a overstatement.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 19, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the position players GMDM inherited are the ones leading the parent club in OPS

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by marbotty on Aug 19, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

to be fair, he’s only had two drafts, and he’s somewhat inexplicably targetted high schoolers with his impact picks. that may be genius or it may be insanity — we’ll have to just wait and see.

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by marbotty on Aug 19, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

GMDM isn't a drafting guru that we know of yet

but I will take his drafts of the past (McCann, DeRosa, Franceour) over Bairds. McCann would be a .100 points of OPS ahead of everyone other than the guy Glass forced Baird to draft (Aviles). Bairds players would be OPSing over pretty much all ‘07-08 draftees because a very limited number are playing in ML so I guess all teams should question their GM’s draft picks.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 19, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

those weren't his drafts

They were Scheurholtz’s. You know, the guy that was able to convince Moore to trade a top 10 prospect (albeit an injured one) for a 26 year old who had never slugged over .370 in the minors and was a week away from being waiver wire fodder.

Baird was no genius, clearly, but at least his offensive legacy has been Buck, Butler, Gordon, and Aviles, and not Gload, Pena, Gathright and Guillen.

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by marbotty on Aug 19, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quite the legacy

Aviles like GMDM was shoved down Bairds throat and Buck is hardly someone I would be hanging my hat on. It is easy to bash on GMDM after 2 years but we’ll see if what he is getting in return on those trades is a inability to scout or Bairds inability to build talent.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 19, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

By the way

Cordier isn’t proving to be much of anything in the minors. Hitters are hitting .314 against him this year. Maybe TPJ was all one could’ve expected in return for Cordier.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 19, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We're going to rue the day we traded Cordier

The Royals team doctors need players like that so they can perfect their Tommy John surgery techniques. He’s due for his third sometime within the next year.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

He is a great TJ surgery dumby.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 19, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I want Van Stratten to make the majors

Just so we can nickname him “Otter.”

“Hi, Eric Stratten, rush chairman. DAMN glad to meet you.”

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 19, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Giovatella

I’m telling you, this guy is a good prospect. I’m not seeing much love for him here.

I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Aug 19, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about him

He’s definitely on the list. I’d put the Royals position player prospects as

1. Moustakas
2. Hosmer
3. Kaaihue
4. Dickerson
5. Giavotella
6. Robinson
7. Taylor
And the rest

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

I don’t know if he’s a good prospect, but he’s definitely one of the best we have.

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by marbotty on Aug 19, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My top 20

1. Moustakas
2. Hosmer
3. Cortes
4. Rosa
5. Melville
6. Duffy
7. Wood
8. Kaaihue
9. Montgomery
10. Dickerson
11. Pimentel
12. Gutierrez
13. Cegarra
14. Sample
15. Giovatella
16. Robinson
17. Lubanski
18. Johnson
19. Mitchell
20. Runion

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i would re-organize 4-9 quite a bit, but i love your 10-20 guys

by ZeppelinDZ on Aug 19, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How about Herrera?

Younger and much better peripherals than Runion (48k vs 5bb), though less projection, otherwise I have a very similar list.

Moustakas
Hosmer
Cortes
Rosa
Duffy
Kaaihue
Melville
Montgomery
Wood
Pimental
Cegerra
Mitchell
Gutierrez
Herrera
Dickerson
Giovetella
Bianchi
Sample
Runion
Robinson

by royalmadness on Aug 19, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think for prospects, you have to look at tools and projection as much or more than performance

And when the only performance/stats we have to look at are at a very low level, then have even less meaning for prospect evaluation.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 19, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You have Taylor ahead of Lubanski in your position player list above.

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Aug 20, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice catch

For me, after the top 10, things get really fuzzy. I see both Taylor and Lubanski as fringy prospects. They aren’t good prospects, but they both have some potential to impact the major league club. After looking at what Taylor has done this year in his first full season in the minors, I think he might deserve to be somewhere in the top 20. Lubanski might or might not. After the top 15, there are 10 or more players who could arguably slot into the next 5 spots.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 20, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm just throwing this together.

seriously, i put like zero thought into this.

1. Mike Moustakas, 3B
2. Eric Hosmer, 1B
3. Daniel Cortes, RHP
4. Carlos Rosa, RHP
5. Kila Kaaihue, 1B
6. Tim Melville, RHP
7. Daniel Duffy, LHP
8. Mike Montgomery, LHP
9. Derrick Robinson, CF
10. Blake Wood, RHP
11. Johnny Giavotella, 2B
12. Julio Pimentel, RHP
13. Joe Dickerson, LF
14. Sean McCauley, C
15. Daniel Gutierrez, RHP
16. Jeff Bianchi, 2B
17. Tyler Sample, RHP
18. Ed Cegarra, RHP
19. Jason Taylor, 1B/OF
20. Blake Johnson, RHP

Just miss — RHP Matt Mitchell, RHP Sam Runion, C Salvador Perez, RHP Kelvin Herrera, OF David Lough, OF Chris Lubanski, LHP Brent Fisher, OF Paulo Orlando

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by doublestix on Aug 19, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice

glad I posted this. Going to be watching a lot of these names as the season winds down. When does minor league ball end, btw?

by I need more Esteban on Aug 19, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

the regular season ends in like two weeks

Burlington and Northwest Arkansas look like excellent bets to reach the playoffs as well, with Wilmington having an outside shot.

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by doublestix on Aug 19, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wilmington has a very good shot.

They are 3.0 games ahead of the 3rd place team. Potomac won the 1st half and is winning the second half by 4 games.

FORMAT
In each division, the first-half winner plays the second-half winner in a best-of-five series. A Double-half winner would face the team in its division with the second-best second half record.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 19, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs