RANGERS, ROYALS RUMBLE FOR SUCK RIGHTS
weren't the Royals a feel-good story a couple of years ago?... wasn't Tony Peña the manager? what happened to them?
it's too bad we have to wait another few years for either of these teams to become relevant again. but, if it's any consolation... i still think the Royals' home whites are one of the sharpest uniforms in all of baseball...
anyway...how about a pitching-for-hitting swap over the offseason?... kinda like the Garza for Young trade last year?
i am a fanatic of Donald Zackary Greinke. he'd look good in a Ranger uniform. you guys are wasting his time.
Eric Hurley, Chris Davis, Jarrod Saltalamacchia for Zack Greinke
Davis can anchor first base for a couple of years until Hosmer is ready. he's young, and carries a power bat. boy, do you all need a power bat... D ain't that bad either.
Saltalamacchia has had a down year... but, it's mostly a product of playing behind an established starter in Gerry Laird, and having to take more pitches to appease Ron Washington's current plate philosophy with the team. make no mistake though... at his age, Saltalamacchia still has the potential to turn into a power-hitting catcher. plus, he's handsome.
Eric Hurley is the arm in return. young, ready to pitch at the big-league level... had some promising starts before he landed on the DL. Rangers pitching coach, Mark Connor, who has since been fired, probably had him working on something unnecessary. before this month, Hurley had no record of consistently getting hurt. and if you're still suspicious... take a look at some of the pitchers the Rangers have developed recently that have gone on to greater success.
John Danks, Edinson Volquez, Armando Galarragga... Chris Young to some extent.
there's some kind of pitching virus in our clubhouse. which is why we need someone from the outside... like Greinke.
seems like a fair deal to me... but, i'd like to know what you Royales with cheese would want for him. add, subtract... hey... just have fun.
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speaking of fun, this series would be a lot more entertaining with a joint and some hip-hop. for those of you who are into downloading good jams, here are some suggestions...
Funkdoobiest - "Rock On" (Buckwild Remix)
Manzel - "Space Funk"
Afu-Ra - "D&D Soundclash"
Defari - "Look Into My Eyes"
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I'm sorry if i was the Royals GM.
I would never give up Zack Grienke. Ever, not ever. Never, ever, ever. never.
Even for those guys. I’d rather keep zack and wait for some of our young guys to break out…
But i do like some of your song choices, can’t go too wrong with afu-ra and defari!
I'd have to be overwhelmed
If I was GMDM to trade ZG, and this doesn’t quite overwhelm me. It’s “Fair” but not overwhelming…
Don't forget
that GMDM might think the opportunity to acquire former Brave Salty is “overwhelming.”
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
That would be it.
I would do that trade in a heart beat. Two potential plus bats and a pitcher who probably isn’t too bad when he doesn’t have to pitch half the time in Arlington?
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
I tend to agree
Salty is already better than Buck and has higher upside than that. Chris Davis has plate discipline issues, but his power cannot be denied. He’d be an immediate asset at first for us. Hurley is a decent pitching prospect (Sickels had him as a B+), and would be one of our better prospects.
I love Greinke, but that’s a fair return for him. And since we only have Zack til 2010, and the development of our prospects has been slower than I thought, I think it would be a wise move to spin one good player into three potentially good players to improve our depth. I think this is the kind of move we have to make.
But would Texas make this trade? I doubt it.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 26, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can Salty play catcher though?
I’ve just read that there are majors issues with his defense. Even if his (this year atrocious) hitting improves, he could end up being another 1B/DH. Assuming Davis comes, then it’s him, Butler, Davis, and maybe Kila there. And that’s IF he can hit like a corner guy, and the evidence is scanty.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 26, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Teagarden and Max Ramirez as well.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 26, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
You can take your prospects for Greinke
and add about three more players. Then we’ll talk. I’d much rather the Royals just re-sign Zack long term.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
Throw in Derek Holland and
I couldn’t fax the papers faster to the commissioners office.
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
...wishful thinking considering what he'll be offered on the free-agent market.
by oc on Aug 25, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The Royals still have the leverage of a year of service time
and this organization handled his mental problems with a refreshingly enlightened approach. I’d say there’s still a reasonable chance of a deal being worked out, realiistically. And given that some of the recent FA signings (Meche, Guillen) seem to suggest that the Royals may take a shot at contention sooner rather than waiting on Moore’s draft classes to become the next good KC team, I wouldn’t be surprised if the FO made a heavy push to get Greinke signed. The Royals are not under the same payroll constrictions as they were when Beltran was traded.
That said, I enjoy the shout out from Lone Star Ball. Good to have you.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
While I'd LOVE
to see ZG remain in KC for a long time, I dont see it happening…
He’s going to almost SURELY (in my mind) sign with the 1st NL team that will let him swing away occaisonally.
I’d still need to see more in return in a trade than this package though
three more players?
…please.
i’ll throw in Cruz… nothing more.
or a low-minors arm…
by oc on Aug 25, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You want a young #2 starter, with a great K rate
with no injury history, from a team that’s trying to get serious about rebuilding? You better open up the wallet.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
Wow, have we gotten that down
that you’ve demoted Zack to a #2? I thought he was a legit #1 now?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 25, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What with Zack's raw stuff
I wouldn’t put it past him to post Ace numbers with a good defense behind him. Right now he’s on the borderline (VORP) between an excellent #2 and a weak #1.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
two positions filled, arm in the rotation... all young and controllable for four or more years...
…for two years of Greinke?…
c’mon…
by oc on Aug 25, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
None of the guys you're talking about
are sure things. Saying “two positions filled, arm in the rotation” is pretty vague…I mean, and what happens if one or two or three don’t pan out? The Royals would have to hedge their bets.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
or we could use Zack to build around...
i mean he’s a for sure #2 ALREADY, so unless he has a dramtic fall off.. why not keep an already established sure thing over taking tough chances..
Which is why we'd be after more than the trade package
you’re suggesting. Sorry, but I’m not deferring to anyone else’s judgment on this. You guys want Greinke, you’d have to seriously blow the Royals FO away. Your suggestion wouldn’t. Simple as that.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
the other sideof the coin is that if you dont deal Grienke what are you going to use
to get more pieces for your rebuild? By drafting Hosmer, the organization through away the chance of drafting a fast mover through the system for the preference of an elite HS talent.
So by the time Hosmer, Melville, etc is ready wouldn’t Greinke already be gone? Its a double edged sword, if you wait for the prospects to mesh in and around Greinke you have to be sure he will sign and extension. If he doesn’t you get draft picks which would further dilute your time line. If the team isn’t sure he will or wont sign, deal him now when he has more controllable years apposed to later.
The best reference I can think of to use is the difference between the Texiera packages.
I would make that trade in a heartbeat
I don’t think Greinke will resign here. I remember reading somewhere when he mentioned how young pitchers are signing “smaller contracts” then position player. I remember he mentioned Carmona’s contract in particular. Maybe subtract Salty and add an outfield prospect.
"you guys are wasting his time"
Who the hell do you think you are coming onto another team’s site and insulting our team? Straighten up punk or you’ll be gone.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
...wasn't meant to be taken seriously...
STOP CLUBBING BABY SEALS!
by oc on Aug 26, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
One should be respectful when one enters another's house
…particularly for the first time.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 26, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd trade zack
for teagarden instead of salty. i like chris davis. but i’d like elvis andrus instead of hurley. for those three i’d give up greinke
Alex Gordon in '08
Seems like a pretty good deal for the R's
although I’m with gordonrules and RoyalJHWKR about dumping salty for a different prospect
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You want to know why this trade package isn't enough?
Start with Chris Davis, who has been referred to as a “potential plus bat” and is apparently one of the guys who would “fill a position” according to oc. Retro noted the guy has “power that cannot be denied.” Well okay, yeah, Chris Davis could hit the ball out of the ballpark. I see little reason, at this point, to acquire him with Kaaihue and Shealy, and, of course, Hosmer hanging around in the organization. Davies has home run power, yes, but outside of the ballpark in Arlington he’s hit
.253/.295/.482. Yeah, that’s real power, that’s also a serious lack of plate discipline. Another sub-.300 OBP…forget that. Yes, he might improve. Does anyone seriously want another low-OBP power threat who “might improve”? Also, no matter where you stick him, his defense stinks. If we’re going to get someone like that, let’s get Dunn or Burrell so we can be sure he can actually hit. Look at Davis’s platoon splits, and you’ll see he’s fattening up on lefties in what would think was an unsustainable way since he’s left-handed. This guy is far from “a position filled.” He’s got power, but the park noise, platoon splits, and defense don’t necessarily make him good enough to be a key piece in a trade for one of the AL’s best young pitchers.
You want to send us Salty? I’ll see that and raise you Teagarden. Salty’s power is AWOL, he’s now in his second year in the majors without showing the hitting prowess that caused some to say he’d be just as good as Teixeira was for the Rangers, and his defense behind the plate is generally regarded as bad. If he moves to first, he’s no longer a plus so much as another guy who would contribute a league average line if he ever gets his bat together. You know how we all can’t stand Buck’s throwing arm? Salty’s gunned down all of 13.6% of runners this year. Does this look like the centerpiece prospect of a trade for Zack Greinke? Not to me. I want an actual bluechipper, and the shine’s off Salty.
Then there’s Hurley. A good pitching prospect? Yes. A guy who appears to have flyball tendencies and was FIPing 5+ in AAA before his call-up? Yes. Sorry, but if I get this trade offer and I’m GMDM, I tell the Rangers FO to go get me a serious offer.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Aug 26, 2008 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I agree in general
but wouldn’t a flyball guy (not Hurley in particular, just in general) be good in Kaufman, particularly given the Royals infield defensive “abilities?”
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 26, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I guess,
but let’s not admit defeat when it comes to the infield defense improving. In general, grounders are much better to throw than flyballs, and it would be hard for our defense NOT to improve next year.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
Flyball pitchers are risky
Giving up a lot of flyballs isn’t the best recipe for success. And while he’d play half of his games at the K, half of them would be outside of the K. And Hurley would be around for a while; how long will the OF defense be good? Right now, 2/3 of the OF defense is good. If Dunn or Burrell is signed, 1/3 of the OF would be good defensively, with the other two major defensive liabilities. So who knows what the OF defense will be in 2009, 2010, 2011, etc. Unless Hurley is playing in the NL West, his downside is almost as big as his upside.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 26, 2008 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, again, I'm not advocating for (or against) Hurley
I just thinking of Greinke’s flyball tendencies working well for him at the K… of course, his awesome ability to strike people out while digesting 3 pork and black bean burritos also helps.
I forgot the other joke I was going to waste everyone’s time with. Just imagine some clever arrangment of ideas consisting of a bunch of flyball starters, a Gathright, Orlando, Robinson OF, and making the fences at the K 40 feet high.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 26, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are good arguments
Makes me reconsider.
However, I will stick by my point that we should at least consider dealing Greinke if it means we can infuse our organization with more impact hitters. Pitching is the commodity of baseball and sometimes that commodity needs to be spent.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 26, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't hesitate to trade Greinke or Soria for the right deal
The above trade proposal is at least realistic. I’d want to tweak it. If the Royals can fill multiple holes with legitimately good, young players with a lot of upside potential, I’d do it. I’d greatly prefer trading Soria though.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 26, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't have Guardo anymore!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 26, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You would?
With the current contract statuses of Greinke and Soria, Greinke looks like the one far more likely to be shopped.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
+1
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 26, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand
Soria’s contract might make him more appealing. Add that in with teams still overvaluing closers, and Soria might be a good idea. Particularly if they aren’t planning on trying him in the rotation, anyway.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 26, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
more appealing to trade partners, that is
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 26, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Value
Greinke has more value to the Royals than Soria. I have a strong feeling that for whatever reason (probably multiple reasons), Soria is going to be kept in the closer role. An elite, cheap, young closer is worth much more on the trade market than his limited value to the team. This massive inefficiency in the market is exactly the kind of thing that a small market team needs to take advantage of.
So I’d keep Greinke, sign him long-term and trade Soria. If Greinke and his agent make it clear over the next 10 months that he’s not willing to re-sign with the Royals, then trade him too.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 26, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So..."I'll trade my all-star closer for your all-star power hitter"
That would be a hell of a coup.
Welcome to KC…
…Hanley Ramirez???
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Aug 26, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You'd seriously trade Soria?
With his VERY, VERY organization friendly contract?
We absolutely STOLE him. The absolute ONLY way I’d consider trading him would be for another organizations equivilant of Moose/Hosmer
I wouldn't trade him for any prospect
Or perhaps I should say for any single prospect. But an elite closer who is very cheap is worth a hell of a lot. It can get you a real power hitter plus other players/prospects.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 26, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He is worth a hell of a lot
And we are paying him a hell of a little.
Thats why he would be VERY, VERY, tough to trade away from my point of view
There are other cheap, young players that would help the Royals more than a closer does
I’d rather have a great hitting corner OFer plus another decent prospect than an elite closer.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 27, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Ryan Braun would fill out a Royals uniform quite nicely
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 27, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Before anyone freaks out or writes a long criticism of this
it was just an example. Not something I think the Brewers would do (I have no idea). Just a player that would dramatically help the Royals for a long time to come.
And yes, I mean this Ryan Braun, not the one the Royals already have.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 27, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Kemp is also a possibility
The list of good, young, multi-tool power hitters that the Royals could trade Soria for is long.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 27, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, Snakeskin boots
you’re forgetting: he doesn’t trade his good, young players, he just refuses to play them
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 27, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he'd necessarily be against it
And the good thing about trading Soria is that we don’t need to rely on the worst GM’s in baseball. Even the good GM’s would line up to trade for Soria.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 27, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
True
Although with Ned, maybe the Royals could get Kemp AND Ethier… Corner OF problem solved…
Trade Hoagy, sign Furcal and DUnn… Here’s a lineup you can win with…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 27, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
you want Teagarden over Saltalamacchia?
…have you seen his K rates?
by oc on Aug 26, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
and what's with the Davis hate?...
…he’s barely been up for a month and a half. he’s going through a typical rookie slide… big deal.
…fool had 9 HR in his first 80-something ABs… are you kidding me?
and your “defense stinks” argument is underwhelming. he’s made one error in almost 450 innings of work, at both corners of the infield. you have to see the guy play night in, night out to truly appreciate his defense. the guy’s never been touted for his glovework, but he’s snagged some hits that you wouldn’t think he’d get to otherwise.
by oc on Aug 26, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people are concerned
With his terrible BB-K numbers in the minors.
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i can GUARANTEE one thing...
…Jon Daniels will be calling Dayton this offseason…
…and he will ask about Greinke.
we’ve been trotting out this pathetic excuse of a rotation for two years now… and i firmly believe that Tom Hicks will not allow this same group of spares to break camp next season.
this team is lacking a top-of-the-rotation starter. it’s getting to the point where… shit… whatever you want for Greinke… take it.
by oc on Aug 26, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't doubt that is true
supposedly they asked about him in July.
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Ranger fans don't understand the concept of sacrifice.
by oc on Aug 26, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rangers pitching staff would improve greatly
If they could face the Royals every night.
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Yeah, he's out
I’m not saying that the Royals wouldn’t shop Greinke. I’m just saying I think the FO would hold out for more than you’ve suggested here. Nothing personal, of course.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
KC fans/coaches don't value power
we much rather watch Ross Gload and his IchiGload swing than Davis bash homers over the centerfield fence
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
Home runs are rally killers!
Besides, Ross saves 1,253 runs per game with his glove.
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I'd love to have Davis on the team
His OBP isn’t great, but he’s young, and showed good to great plate discipline in the minors. I’d almost be tempted to trade for him straight up. Almost.
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LUBANSKI FOR DAVIS NOW!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 26, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
nah...
…i wouldn’t do that to yous guys…
it breaks my heart that classic teams like KC, Baltimore and Pittsburg have become traditional laughing stocks.
i seriously hope in the next couple of years, all these organizations turn it around. Baltimore is on the right track… Pittsburg did what they had to do this season through trades and the draft…
by oc on Aug 26, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll always have 2003
In fact, I believe we are going to raise a pennant banner for that miraculous 83-79 finish.
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...what happened to that team?
was it just a one-year fluke?
by oc on Aug 26, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
absolutely a 1 year fluke
Career years from about 5 guys (Desi Relaford, Ken Harvey, Angel Berroa, etc…)
All three are under recent new admin
so I think in the next decade you’ll see the “classic teams” rebound a bit. I really like some of the rebuilding trades made in Baltimore and Pittsburgh.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
Dont forget that Salty has a OBP over .100 higher than his average
and is 2 years younger than Teagarden, and has never had the injury issues that Teagarden has had.
Salty was supposed to be in AAA this year but Melhouse the back up catcher was injured for the season, Laird was hurt and Salty was already on the 40…Im not suprised he struggled
by laxtonto on Aug 26, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Think he'll pick it up with the bat next year?
is his defense good enough to stick at catcher? I’ve heard it’s really bad.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 26, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
been dealing with a groin problem...
hitting over 310 in his last 10 starts,,,,
Salty and Ramirez are the 2 i want to keep….
Think Salty willl be the starter next year
and is the power going to come around?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 26, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
ohh yeah, hes got a great stroke
his defense is a work in progress but think of it this way, hes a year and a half younger than Teagarden. Hes got til the rest of this yar and then next year before he turns 25….
What are they going to do with Laird?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 26, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
it's weird, man...
…Laird is a fine catcher. he doesn’t have Salty’s upside… but i think the organization would rather hold Gerry.
on Salty’s power… when he first came over in the Teixeira deal, he would always hack early in the count (kinda like Hillman’s offensive approach)… this year, Washington has preached to the club about taking more pitches, working the count… making starters work… and in some respects, i think Saltalamacchia has become a victim of that approach.
but, the power is there. he just needs more playing time. it doesn’t look like he’s going to get that opportunity here, with all our options behind the dish.
Laird is as good as gone.
The only reason he wasnt dealt is that Both Laird and Salt were damaged goods and nobody bit on Daniels high price.
To much money to give him (3M or so in Arb) when there are 3 other options in house
and on Salty's defense...
…it’s all about playing time. when he first came up, he was making some fine defensive plays… strong throws to second… most people here were shocked by the improvements.
but Laird came back… and i think the split in playing time kinda threw Salty off.
people forget… this guy was called up to Atlanta early… probably too prematurely. he just needs consistant playing time. and as young as he is, the sooner a team puts him behind the plate, the better for his development.
I agree, he should have been in AAA this year
but Teagarden was hurting, Salty was on the 40, and Melouse got hurt
well to be fair
We wasted Zack’s time tonight. Another gem that we LOST.
Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.
nice to see Zack bouncing back
this is his best month since April
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
Yeah, we owe it to Zach and to baseball to trade him to a contender
It would only be fair to get him off a horrible team like the Royals. We should feel ashamed that we have him on the team at all.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 27, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
At least then he could retaliate without being unfair to contending teams who still have something to play for
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 27, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly!
All kidding aside, it sucks that he should probably have about 15 wins by now but only has 10.
Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.
He should definitely be traded
The Royals can’t afford guys who don’t know how to win.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 27, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
DeJesus
Aviles
Butler
Guillen
Davis
Gordon
Saltalamacchia
Teahen
Callaspo
that’s a pretty nice line-up…
As long as it's Carlos Guillen
and some mysterious Teahen brother who can hit.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 28, 2008 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
it just occured to me...
…Davis and Saltalamacchia don’t just fill two positions.
they bring a lot more confidence to that line-up. it’s a little easier to hit when you have trust in the guys hitting behind you.
Miguel Olivo? Mark Teahen? Ross Gload? John Buck?
who are these guys?
i hope Kansas City fans are expressing outrage over their team’s hitting philosophy.
Royals hitters are hacking WAAAAAY too early in the count WAAAAAY too often.
if you plug some power into that line-up, pitchers will have to change their approach.
from what i saw in this series, the Rangers pitchers (yes, the Rangers PITCHERS) duped the Royals into swinging early. pitchers can throw strikes early when their facing a weak-hitting team like KC… or the A’s for that matter… with the lack of power in Oakland’s line-up, they’re offense is predicated on working counts and drawing walks.
by oc on Aug 28, 2008 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
"they bring a lot more confidence to that line-up"
Confidence? Are you talking sports psychology now? The Royals hitters are going to feel more confident with Davis and Salty in the lineup? Forget about confidence. I care about results. That’s a much better lineup if Davis is for real and Salty somehow turns into the good player he was supposed to be (so far that player has been persistently absent).
Miguel Olivo? Mark Teahen? Ross Gload? John Buck?
who are these guys?
What the hell is your point? That these guys aren’t big names? That some Texas fan doesn’t know who are they are? Yes, we realize they aren’t great players. We know how good they are much better than you do. We also know that Davis and Salty are pretty good players with upside potential. Do we want to trade a young ace for them? Probably not. You’d have to tweak your offer (as has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread). Ok? You can call Dayton Moore with your offer now and see what he thinks.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 28, 2008 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a much better lineup if Davis is for real and Salty somehow turns into the good player he was supposed to be (so far that player has been persistently absent).
your team is already playing with “if’s”…
might as well try it out with two guys who are under the age of 24 and have power potential.
by oc on Aug 28, 2008 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
"if's"
We’d be happy to try a could guys whoa re under the age of 24 and have power potential. Are we eager to trade an extremely valuable commodity like Greinke for those “if’s”? No.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 28, 2008 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Forget about confidence. I care about results.
how does one get results without confidence?
GASP!
by oc on Aug 28, 2008 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It's called "talent"
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 28, 2008 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
By having the confidence implicit in becoming
a professional baseball player in the first place.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
That's not what I said, oc.
I’m saying that I doubt very much that there’s any player in major league baseball who doesn’t play up to his abilities because of a lack of confidence. Why? Because I doubt they’d reach this level—no matter how talented they are—without having enough confidence to play up to their capabilities. So I’m much more interested in evaluating the actual talent of a player than their psychological profiles, because I don’t see much evidence that the latter means much in MLB.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
Yeah, talent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>confidence
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Aug 28, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions

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