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DM on 610 right now

"the bottom line is, our players aren't good enough" - OUCH

"this is a man's league"

He also reiterated that the team is not going to go for a "quick fix" and go crazy spending on free agents.

Neal - "how many holes can you fill this offseason?"

DM - " the trade market isn't good, we may look for trades, but that's not as easy as it seems. We're going to be very agressive in acquiring the best talent we can. If that means that players on the team now have to go to the minors, so be it (Banny, this means you)".

On Jose Guillen's season - "He's done well, I think he can do better. He's a cheerleader on the bench, trying to do too much, we need a veteran player or two in this lineup to support him. Too many holes in this lineup. My job to create depth in the organization."

To me, he sends somewhat conflicting signals regarding his plans for this year, saying they're not going to go overboard on free agent signings but that they are going to be very aggressive. This can probably be taken either way, but it still seems to me that the plan is to upgrade through trades and not big FA signings.

I didn't do a perfect job of capturing everything he said, but tried to get it as accurate as possible. I didn't put it up top, but he also seems to want Billy the Kid to swing for the fences more. Anyone else have thoughts overall?

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To me, he sends somewhat conflicting signals regarding his plans for this year, saying they’re not going to go overboard on free agent signings but that they are going to be very aggressive. This can probably be taken either way, but it still seems to me that the plan is to upgrade through trades and not big FA signings.

Standard GM speak. He doesn’t want to make it seem like he’s desperate to upgrade through trades, nor does he want to make it seem like he’s desperate to sign big FA’s. I think he has some money to spend and will look to spend it (and that means no more than one elite FA). He’ll also look to make trades as well, but he certainly doesn’t know if great trade opportunities are out there. He’s saying good things about Guillen, but would probably be willing to trade him. Long story short, it isn’t in the Royals interest for him to be open and honest in these interviews.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Aug 26, 2008 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

true enough

but I thought he was rather blunt in his assessment of players’ performances overall.

I hereby resign from this post.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 26, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That, I like

As a GM, you shouldn’t ever call out individual players or say that Player X or Y has disappointed. But it does make sense to recognize publicly that the team overall just doesn’t have enough talent. There’s no reason for him to say that the team is ok talent-wise. This is a situation where sharing the truth makes sense and has no downside.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Aug 26, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes sense

The team as a whole has been disappointing. He can’t call out individuals. And it’s good to praise individuals, like cheerleaders.

I didn’t hear the interview. It would be nice if he complimented some players who actually did well, not just expensive signings that he made who were doing their best to replciate Andruw Jones’ 2007 without the defense. Maybe he didm.

The only players who have actually not really disappointed in any area would be Aviles, Soria, and probably Greinke and Meche. Not to say they couldn’t improve, just that they were relatively unproblematic. There were other players doing better or having decent seasons, but with qualifications. DDJ has been good, but has been hurt (not his fault, but still a disadvantage) and slumped in the second half. Gordon’s overall line isn’t great, and his defense sucked this year, but his hitting against righties was very good and his second-half line is promising. Butler has had flashes. And so on.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on Aug 26, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno why

people expect, on the one hand, a GM to tell them “the truth” in a public interview, yet at the same time don’t realize that part of a GM’s job is to, if not “deceive,” at least bluff his peers… which you can’t do if you’re telling the fan base “the truth” on the radio.

If Dayton Moore ever got on the radio and said something like, “Man, that Guillen signing was a mistake, and we’ve got to get him out of here,” I’d call for him to be fired immediately for stupidity.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 26, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I want him to do and say whatever is best for building the best possible team. And usually that doesn’t mean telling the truth or being open with the facts or his opinions.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Aug 26, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of CYA

He wants to be aggressive, but he wants to let us know that if he can’t pull a trade, its not his fault, the market sucks!

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

No problem with the blunt assessment,

but what I worry the most about is the idiot owner, who knows next to nothing about baseball. Will he remain patient given the increased spending on player development? What if the team this season ends up regressing (record-wise), or ends up regressing (record-wise) again in 2009 or 2010? Will he continue his commitment to rebuild the minors, without seeing any tangible Major League results for another several years?

(Yes, I think the Glass family is dumb enough for this to be a worry)

by loyal2sdad on Aug 27, 2008 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Brilliant, but

It takes a pretty big assumption that David Glass is involved with running the team in any respect.

More realistic if you had used Dan Glass and had Dayton use hand puppets to explain what was going on.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, good point. I don't know much about how that really works

A puppet show seems a bit childish, though.

You and I, might, perhaps, define children differently.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on Aug 27, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

bam!

Nice comment up above there. Hilarious, and sad.

(Especially when you see the figures:

For every Wal-Mart opened up, 100 small local businesses would close down. )

Makes me wonder — is this why we don’t have a downtown stadium?

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by marbotty on Aug 28, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Glass frustrated though? He might not even care right now....

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 27, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

is he making $$?

I mean Cash? We all know he is accruing value over time b/c every year the value of spoirts teams increases, but is he making Cash?

If yes – He doesn’t care

If no – He still might not care because losing $1-$20 million a year is still offset by the value increases he is incurring.

by GoBabies!! on Aug 27, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

WalMart Just Broke

Ground in Kenai, a 200k+ square foot monster in the making. They will sell groceries, thus endangering our 150k square foot Safeway. K-Mart came to Kenai in 1992, thus wiping out all the local businesses, then left Alaska entirely in the re-organization in the early 2000’s. I’m sad to say I can’t wait for Wally World to open. I can’t buy clothes in Kenai right now (Fred Meyer’s in Soldotna is all we have) and K-Mart already did the damage to the local businesses before they left. Besides, my new little sister (long story) is retired at 43 thanks to Walton money; she and her husband share a box with Frank Broyles’s son at Razorback football games. I’ll make my small contribution to that.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 27, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

"We're not getting enough slug and production from first"

Dayton, stating the obvious

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

But how are you going to upgrade at that spot, really?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on Aug 27, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

If only we had some players in the minors

Who could play first and hit home runs.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or Ryan Shealy

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on Aug 27, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

hit a HR in 2 straight games

there is no way he’s not up in September at his age.

by I need more Esteban on Aug 27, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

It might cause confusion in the clubhouse

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1 on confusion

Can you imagine Trey trying to explain to a puzzled Ross and Joey why Shealy or Kila gets to slowly jog around the bases (but not too slow!!!111) when the ball goes out of the park without even hitting the ground??

“Why aren’t we playing, Trey?”

“YOU ARE ON A BREAK, JOEY AND ROSS!!”

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on Aug 27, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not mock him for this, though.

Think about what it means that he said it: he knows Gload is no answer.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 27, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't assume that.

I strongly suspect Gload will enjoy watching a lot of September baseball.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 29, 2008 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, just let him finish up the contract on the bench this September

D’oh

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on Aug 29, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This strenghtens my belief

That his # target will be one of the younger FA pitchers (Perez, Garland, POSSIBLY – but I doubt it, Sheets) in an attempt to get the starting rotation among one of the best in the AL by 2010.

If you ran out a top 5 of

Meche
Greinke – assuming he isn’t traded, but I think he is our #1 chip at this point
Perez/Garland/Sheets
Rosa/Cortes/
Hochevar

Even if greinke is traded, the depth of pitching that DM is working to acquire should be close to or at MLB leve at that point

At that point, Melville will also hopefully be close, and of course we have no idea what kind of SP prospects we could land if GMDM pulls off some signifcant deal involving Greinke, or whoever…

by GoBabies!! on Aug 27, 2008 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm Going To

Die sometime, too.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 27, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

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