Dear Dayton Moore, Please Call Up Kila Ka'aihue
Okay GMDM, you may have noticed we have a slight problem scoring runs this season. You may have noticed that this was true last year, as well. The player who was brought to help fix this problem, Jose Guillen, has fallen flat on his fanny. The rest of the babies haven't helped out that much, either; David DeJesus is having his typical solid year, and Alex Gordon was as much fun as hyperactive kittens on roller skates against righties this year, but the fact remains that this team is pretty bad at hitting a baseball. Mike Aviles, a guy who still loses playing time to Tony Pena Jr., handily leads the Royals in position player VORP at 27.1. That's good for a tie for 68th in MLB alongside Alfonso Soriano. Aviles was not even in the team's plans as a utility guy at the beginning of the year, and has only accounted for 6.2% of the Royals PAs this year. In other words, that's not good. I mean, it's great for Aviles, but it illustrates a pretty ugly picture.
So, this brings me to the recent comments you made on 610 radio, which sadly I didn't have the pleasure of listening to. It's all right - don't bother telling me your exact words, some of my friends have clued me in. Basically what you seem to be suggesting is that, with the team that hitting with all of the prowess of a blindfolded six-year-old hyped up on smarties going after a "my little pony" pinata, there's not much chance of one Kila Ka'aihue being called up in September. Something about a 40-man roster, yadda yadda yadda.
This is kind of distressing news to me, I must admit.
First of all, I am well aware of the possibility that Kila might just be a AAAA slugger, as 24 is pretty late as breakouts in AA go. I am aware that not many of the players with Ka'aihue's career path go on to become major league regulars. Okay? So understand that I'm rational about all this. The catch is, we are in the midst of yet another year where the Royals are entering September with nothing to play for but next year, so it seems rather counterintuitive to me that we wouldn't call up someone who could potentially fill a desperate need on this roster. And I'm all about going with the instincts, Dayton.
"Hawaiian Punch" as we blogging simpletons like to call him, hit .314/.463/.624 in AA this year. I won't waste time pointing out how good that line is, because your must have noticed. I'm assuming that because Ka'aihue's hitting earned him a promotion to the PCL in AAA ball. I wonder if you've noticed that he hasn't stopped hitting there. Yes, there might be some BABIP flukiness in his year, but Ka'aihue's 100-odd appearances in AAA have seen him hit .330/.455/.648. Yes, that's in the PCL, but we can take those numbers with a grain of salt and they're still pretty tasty. For the year, Hawaiian Punch has hit .317/.461/.630, with 100 walks and only 63 strikeouts. That's a 1.091 OPS. He could lose 300 OPS points in the transition to the majors, and he'd still be hitting better than Ross Gload. That's three hundred, as in a "3" followed by two "0s," Mr. Moore. That's the difference between Albert Pujols and our own David DeJesus. It's also an overrated movie based on an overrated graphic novel, too, but I digress. Back to my main point.
Ka'aihue has done nothing to but flat out rake in 2008, and if it costs us a 40-man roster spot to have him get a shot in September, then I promise you we've got some players lying around that really don't mean much. Off the top of my head, there's Tony Pena Jr., Joey Gathright, Ross Gload, Jeff Fulchino, Matt Tupman, and Shane Costa that all look like great candidates to be waived bye-bye. I'd include Kip Wells on this list, too, but you just claimed him so and I don't want to make you think that it's a better idea to get rid of Wells than it is to get rid of Ross Gload. I know I'm forgetting a bunch of players, too. Point is, clearing some of these bums off the 40-man roster would be addition by subtraction. If you were to give Ka'aihue a shot, it would be addition by subtraction AND Ka'aihue might keep hitting the ball, too.
Maybe I'm just an idiot who sits around and "disseminates his unqualified opinions to the masses," as my pal Stephen A. Smith has put it, but this just seems a common sense decision to me. Let me bullet point this for you:
- We do not have a good offense.
- We are a rebuilding team with nothing to lose at the moment.
- Kila Ka'aihue stands a half-decent chance at improving offense if we bring him up in September. He also might prove to be a long-term answer.
- Therefore, we should bring up Kila Ka'aihue.
As to the 40-man issue:
- We need a spot on the 40-man roster to bring Hawaiian Punch up.
- Tony Pena Jr. and other neverwillbes are on the 40-man roster
- DFA Tony Pena Jr., and...
- Surprise! Now we have space! We are not going to miss a glove man with a negative OBP. Shake a tree, and ten gloves fall out.
Now look, GMDM, I think you've done a pretty good job so far since you've taken over this team. I am willing to defend your work on more than one front, and I think you'll do a good job getting this team ready to make a run at contention. I tell you this because 1. it is true and 2. I'm about to make fun of you so I want you to know I'm doing so as a concerned friend.
See those bullet point arguments above, Dayton? Especially the first one? They seem a lot like this deeply-rooted-in-common sense argument which comes up quite a bit in "real life." Suppose there's someone you want to date (stay with me here, I know this may seem a little juvenile) and you know she's available. You could:
- Ask her to go on a date (with you, of course, make sure she knows that).
- Not ask her to go on a date.
And if you take the first course of action, there are really only two possible outcomes:
- She will say "yes," and you will go out.
- She will say "no," and you won't go out.
- She will die in a tragic blimp accident.
Sorry, forgot about that last one. Anyways, if you choose the second option, there is only one outcome:
- You won't go out.
Now, far be it for me to give relationship advice, being the only moddie around here who isn't married, but that's a pretty frigging simple equation. I understand why you don't want to tango with Ryan Shealy, Dayton - he disappointed you last year and you doubt he's changed much. I have to say, though, that Kila's available. He seems to be able to hit the ball. He has a nice smile. You might as well give the guy a shot. If he fails? What do we lose? More games? Ahahaha. Good one.
Come September, call up Kila Ka'aihue. I'm not sure if anyone in the minors this year has earned it more.
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The clubhouse confusion
Have you considered the clubhouse confusion?
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you accusing me of not thinking of the babies?
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we taking GM-speak seriously now?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't place much weight in it,
but it’s a little bit annoying to hear that.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When one knows that a GM is saying typical PR, GM-speak things, one shouldn't take them seriously
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's some awfully stupid sounding PR
is all I’m saying. I’m not taking it seriously.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GM speak would be
“We haven’t made a decision yet. Kila has had a great season but he should always continue working hard to earn a promotion. If he plays hard, and lets his results speak for himself, he’ll be in the big leagues.”
Babbling on about 40 man roster limitations when there clearly aren’t such limitations, and absurd rationales like “clubhouse confusion” is just nonsense.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It provides reasons that they might not call him up which have nothing to do with his performance
He doesn’t want to say that he thinks the kid isn’t ready yet and that this might be rushing him. I’d rather he say the former than the latter.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It provides absurd reasons
If he wants to speak to performance he can say stuff like “we’ll call him up when we think he’s ready” or “if he lets his results speak for himself he’ll be here”. He doesn’t have to make up absurd reasons that even brain-dead radio hosts can pick apart with ease.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because everyone knows the 40-man roster flexibility that the Royals have?
Even most of us don’t know that. I’m sorry he insulted your intelligence, but I think this was standard GM-speak which was no more absurd than the standard PR lines these guys say and should say.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did
After a brain dead radio host picked it apart.
There is standard-blah GM speak, and then there is absurd babbling excuse-making. Dayton spouted the latter. I just worry that the organization is looking for excuses NOT to promote Kila.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they see real reasons to not call him up
There are reasons to call him up which are intelligent, informed and logical. There are also reasons to not call him up which are intelligent, informed and logical. Do you think that the intelligent and logical reasons have nothing to do with Moore’s decision making here? Do you think he has something against Kila? Some personal grudge or vendetta? Why would he be “looking for excuses NOT to promote Kila?”
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scouting is subjective
Scouts are people. And people tend to solidify their opinions. Scouts do it – that guy can’t make it as a ballplayer, that guys is toolsy with great heart. We all form opinions on ballplayers and sometimes its hard to shake that opinion, despite what the evidence says.
Kila wasn’t all that great for two years. He formed a pretty solid opinion in the minds of many, including those that ran the Royals. Now he’s hitting well, but still many are not convinced. So they start looking for flaws in his game as an excuse not to promote him. Conversely, if we like a player, we tend to gloss over his negatives and accentuate his positives. It happens all the time, and its the only way to explain how a team can stick with guys like Tony Pena and Ross Gload.
I don’t know one way or another what Dayton thinks of Kila. I hope he can readjust his earlier opinions on the kid – he may have turned a corner after all. It just seems like he is looking for reasons, however ridiculous they may be, for not promoting the kid, which tells me he is not very high on him.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying that Moore might not think that Kila is that great of a prospect
That is certainly true. He may not think Kila is a great prospect, therefore he may not think he’s ready for the majors. And it is quite possible that Kila isn’t a great prospect and that he’s not ready for the majors. It’s also possible that he’ll never be a decent major league player.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only point is
Say “we don’t think he’s quite ready” not “the clubhouse will be so confusing!”
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Confusing
Saying we don’t think he’s ready is saying something lightly critical about the player. I don’t blame him for not wanting to say that. GM’s don’t want to be critical of their players publicly, and justifiably so. And do you know what the “confusing” comment was about? I think it means, if you call a lot of players up, they come up thinking they are going to get real MLB playing time. But, instead, there wouldn’t be a lot of playing time to go around for these guys. So they’d get called up, expecting to play and then they’d just be sitting on the bench most of the time. I believe that is the kind of confusion he’s talking about. It’s not the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all he really
needed to say was, “you know, Kila had a special year in AA. He’s been promoted to AAA based on his production, and we’re looking for great things out him.” He didn’t even need to address a call up. If he was specifically prompted as to when Kila would be up, “we’re currently looking at everything that will make the club better, and there are no specific timeframes for any one player.”
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by KC Chris on Aug 27, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's lots of ways he could have answered the question
I think complaining about the particular way he answered it this time is much ado about nothing.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dayton on 610
Interview here:
http://entercomkc.com/kcsp/podcasts/NM/NM20-20Dayton%20Moore.mp3
“You don’t want to just put a bunch of bodes in your clubhouse. It creates sometimes some confusion and expectations that are or are not there. You don’t want to create a lot of confusion.”
As for the 40 man roster, we don’t even have to lose TPJ and his AWESOME glove.
Grudz could be put on the 60 day DL
Gordon could be put on the 60 day DL if he’s out for the year (probably is)
Neal Musser could be put on the 60 day DL (I think, he’s been out awhile in the minors); or he coudld be DFAed
Shane Costa could be put on the 60 day DL (he’s been out for awhile)
Tyler Lumsden could be DFAed
Mario Lisson could be DFAed
Josh Newman could be DFAed
Jeff Fulchino could be DFAed
Angel Sanchez could be DFAed
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if we should take that literally
but it’s a bit annoying.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like you left out some important things which have been brought up on this site already
1. Calling him up at this point (from AA to AAA to MLB all in the course of about a month) might be rushing him and not what is best for his development. Isn’t what is best for his development more important than the boost he might give the offense for a month?
2. This would start his service time clock. If the Royals call him up now, then they wouldn’t be able to call him up until something like June if they wanted an extra year of service time for him. Is this month of play more important than a potential year of service time?
Don’t these count as legitimate reasons to potentially not call him up? Giving him a September call up certainly isn’t a no-brainer, “it’s obvious, idiot” call.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree w/ NY on this one
(for once)
Also, and I’m not sure of the rules on this type of thing), but he could be ‘demoted’ back to AA & play in the playoffs there as opposed to ending his season next week
by GoBabies!! on Aug 27, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still not sure why Ryan Shealy shouldn't get a look in September
- He’s hitting decent in Omaha
- He’s already on the 40 man roster
- He’s in his last option year
and most importantly
- Ross Gload sucks
by Top Ramen on Aug 27, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see that, too
I just think at this point Kaaihue has more upside/I don’t think the organization has soured on him like they have (justifiably) on Shealy.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Response
1. Calling him up at this point (from AA to AAA to MLB all in the course of about a month) might be rushing him and not what is best for his development. Isn’t what is best for his development more important than the boost he might give the offense for a month?
Certainly, but given the way Kaaihue has hit the ball since being called up to AAA, I don’t think he’s got much left to prove in AAA. You disagree?
2. This would start his service time clock. If the Royals call him up now, then they wouldn’t be able to call him up until something like June if they wanted an extra year of service time for him. Is this month of play more important than a potential year of service time?
Kaaihue is already 24 years old, and what with his skillset, I’m not sure he’s the type of player we should count on (assuming he succeeds at all) aging very well. So I think it would be best to start figuring out what we’ve got NOW so we can plan accordingly.
Maybe this isn’t a no-brainer, but I reserve the right to be snarky. ;)
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On service time
I would start him out in Omaha next year anyway and keep him there until June. And if he’s tearing up Omaha and forces us to call him up before that, well isn’t that a good thing?
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see the point in delaying this
when Gload continues to piddle along. And really, the service time thing just doesn’t seem to hold much weight IMO, given who we’re talking about.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a no-brainer
He should be up immediately after the Omaha season is over.
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by doublestix on Aug 27, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly, but given the way Kaaihue has hit the ball since being called up to AAA, I don’t think he’s got much left to prove in AAA. You disagree?
Strongly. By the end of this month, he will have had one month in AAA. This is one month in AAA at age 24 when the rest of the player’s minor league career hasn’t been great and when this could be an aberrational season. So yes, he still has a lot more to prove.
Kaaihue is already 24 years old, and what with his skillset, I’m not sure he’s the type of player we should count on (assuming he succeeds at all) aging very well. So I think it would be best to start figuring out what we’ve got NOW so we can plan accordingly.
I would also say that one month in the majors would not be enough for the Royals to really “figure out what they have now.” That small sample size shouldn’t be enough to tell the Royals that he’ll be a good major leaguer in 2009 or not. It shouldn’t be the kind of small sample of data that should keep the Royals from signing another player.
Maybe this isn’t a no-brainer, but I reserve the right to be snarky. ;)
I guess I didn’t love the implication that this is an obvious matter and that anyone who disagrees is an idiot, especially when you didn’t even deal with the very real reasons which are out there to not call him up.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll modify the language on the poll, NY
I thought of it as me asking the question and the voters calling me the idiot for asking. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear to you. You know I don’t think you or anyone who disagrees with me is actually an idiot.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nor is this issue cut-and-dried
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, it's fixed.
Strongly. By the end of this month, he will have had one month in AAA. This is one month in AAA at age 24 when the rest of the player’s minor league career hasn’t been great and when this could be an aberrational season. So yes, he still has a lot more to prove.
I see where your coming from, I just don’t know if I’d call a September callup for someone OPSing almost a 1.100 “rushing.” It looks to me as if Kaaihue is as ready as he’ll ever be, short time in AAA or no.
I would also say that one month in the majors would not be enough for the Royals to really "figure out what they have now." That small sample size shouldn’t be enough to tell the Royals that he’ll be a good major leaguer in 2009 or not. It shouldn’t be the kind of small sample of data that should keep the Royals from signing another player.
That’s why I said “starting figurin out what they have,” not for the Royals to base all of their near future decisions regarding 1B on a one-month sample.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I said "starting figurin out what they have," not for the Royals to base all of their near future decisions regarding 1B on a one-month sample.
Considering the little benefit the Royals would get in the little bit of figuring out they could do in one month, vs. the risk that is there to rushing him, I think the risk-benefit analysis says don’t call him up…or all him up but don’t play him much.
And I wish there was an option in that poll which didn’t involve me calling you an idiot.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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First of all, the poll’s changed. So no worries.
Considering the little benefit the Royals would get in the little bit of figuring out they could do in one month, vs. the risk that is there to rushing him, I think the risk-benefit analysis says don’t call him up…or all him up but don’t play him much.
I really don’t agree that risk-benefit analysis says don’t call him up. I just don’t see there being much risk at all involved in bringing up a 24-year-old who has destroyed minor league pitching for September.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see there being much risk at all involved in bringing up a 24-year-old who has destroyed minor league pitching for September.
You really think there is little chance that he’d perform poorly in the majors this September?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a chance, of course
But since you ask, I think Kaaihue has a good chance of hitting well this Septemeber. He has a very good plate approach and he’s earned a shot at the callup. And if he doesn’t do all that well in September, that’s not the end of the world.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I said "starting figurin out what they have," not for the Royals to base all of their near future decisions regarding 1B on a one-month sample.
Right. Those decisions should be made
during spring training
I wish there was an option in that poll which didn’t involve me calling you an idiot.
Aaawwwww…
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by devil_fingers on Aug 27, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also wish the question weren't extremely leading
It skews the poll. But I guess these aren’t exactly scientific surveys to begin with.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, horsefeathers. Refresh the page. The question is changed.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The damage has already been done
:(
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can reset the poll numbers
to more accurately reflect the new question. Hold on. You’re needy today, you know that? ;)
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you are practicing yellow blog journalism
Buzz Bissinger would be very upset.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
upholding the finest traditions...
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by buddyball on Aug 27, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy to disappoint him!
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by NHZ on Aug 28, 2008 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. Those decisions should be made during spring training
Really? I think the September callup would be a lot more meaningful than what Kaaihue does in spring training.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to the ^%$#@^ sarcasm font!
I thought that was pretty damn funny.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Aug 27, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you might were sarcastic
but I can’t tell if you’re serious or not. :P
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate my typing.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody following the Alvereez mess with Pitt?
The biggest impact out of it is that Boras is claiming that the paper work and deal for Alvarez was made after midnight, therefore he wants more money… Well the Royal tie in is that Hosmer’s paper work is time stamped after Alvarezs.
If Boras screws Pitt and they so fine, go back to college or the indy leagues because the deal was late, doesn’t that void Hosmer’s deal as well, and screws him out of a ASU baseball scholarship?
Needless to say, something to keep and eye on….
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Hopefully nothing comes of it, but….
by laxtonto on Aug 27, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I posted about it in the fanshots.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let's say he gets a September call-up
Should he just get a little taste of major league play? Like 20 AB’s? I assume those who want him called up (particularly NHZ) want him playing regularly, at least 6 games per week. Let’s say he’s not yet ready for the majors (which is a very reasonable possibility, if not a likelihood at this point). And let’s say he hits really poorly. Lots of K’s, not making solid contact. A real crash and burn. Don’t you think this is going to hurt his development? Isn’t this the danger in rushing him? Shouldn’t we be concerned about what effect rushing him like this could have on him going forward?
I’ve said for the last month that I’d give him a September call up, but that I’d only give him a little taste of playing time. I’d call him up so that the coaches and Hillman can look at him, and evaluate him, but mostly in workouts and batting practice, not so much in actual games. That gives him a good experience in the majors, not an awful “boy I might not be a major league quality player” experience.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I do not think
20 bad at bats would hurt his development, no.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither
What about essentially full-time duty over the course of September? (which is, I think, what is being suggested here)
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
I would be willing to be a lot of really good players had horrible first months.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'd bet that a lot of players have been rushed to the majors and had that hurt their development
The Royals sure did that with a number of pitchers.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many put up the numbers Kila did?
I’m not sure its “rushing” if a player is dominating every level of minor league baseball.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure its "rushing" if a player is dominating every level of minor league baseball.
Kila hasn’t dominated every level of minor league baseball. He dominated AA for most of a season and AAA for one month. That sounds like one good year to me. It doesn’t sound like an elite prospect who has dominated throughout his minor league career.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, its one year
But he has dominated it. Which should be a data point that he has turned a corner. I so very little harm in letting him get a taste of the big leagues. I hardly think it will damage his development.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a big data point
That one big data point doesn’t prove that he’s major league ready. And a little taste of the majors almost certainly wouldn’t hurt his development. But what about 100 MLB PA’s where he fell on his face. If that wouldn’t hurt his development, then I guess there never is any downside to rushing a player.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we'll never know
If he doesn’t get promoted.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could say that about any young prospect who might be rushed
You could say that about Nunez, Howell or Villacis when they were called up? At the time, one could have said maybe they are ready or maybe they would be harmed by the early call up. We’ll never know unless they get promoted? Does that mean that the risk is necessarily justifiable?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its all risk/reward
Kila has done much better in the minors than Nunez/Howell/Villacis. Those comparisons are absurd.
The risk is – you damage his development. Considering his age and what he has accomplished this year (his MLEs are great, not that its a be-all, end-all), I’d say the risk is very minimal.
The reward is quite high. He could tear it up and we would have a very good candidate to play 1B next year at the big league level.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kila has done much better in the minors than Nunez/Howell/Villacis. Those comparisons are absurd.
I wasn’t saying they are exactly the same and you know that. I was saying that your argument about “we’ll never know if he doesn’t get promoted” applies to every minor leaguer.
Person #1 – I think Hosmer is ready for the majors.
Person #2 – It’s too early. I think this would be rushing him.
Peson #1 – Well, we’ll never know if he doesn’t get promoted.
It’s always true that you don’t know until the player gets promoted. But that doesn’t mean you might as well take the risk so that you can find out. Some risks just aren’t worth taking (especially when the possible benefit is so small).
The reward is quite high. He could tear it up and we would have a very good candidate to play 1B next year at the big league level.
I think you are wrong about the possible reward. Let’s say he plays for the full month and tears it up. If he hit very well in 100 MLB AB’s in September, would you then think he should be the Royals 1B/DH next year and that the Royals shouldn’t do anything in the offseason in that area? One great minor league season plus one good month in the minors would sell you that much? That’s banking way too much on too little data. Or do you think that would just make him a candidate for 1B/DH for 2009? Well, he’d be a candidate for 2009 right now, even without the call up.
All a September call up would do (at best) is give him some MLB experience and give a small sample size of evaluation for the Royals. That’s damned little. And that’s the upside of what could happen. The downside is much bigger than the upside in my opinion (unless his playing time is severely limited).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think he is so fragile...
that if he struggles in a September call-up his career will be irreparably damaged? I just don’t see this huge downside your talking about. A huge downside for me is watching Ross Gload start every day for another month.
by djk royal on Aug 27, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think he is so fragile… that if he struggles in a September call-up his career will be irreparably damaged?
Irreparably damaged? No. What I said is that I think it would/could hurt his development. Do you think that rushing a prospect can hurt his development? If you agree that “rushing,” in the abstract, can be a bad thing for prospects, then you have to admit that it is a risk in this case. The only question is the degree of risk. Some think it is tiny. I think it is somewhat bigger than that, and not worth the small benefit that is possible.
A huge downside for me is watching Ross Gload start every day for another month.
This is a rebuilding year. We should care more about the development of a guy like Kila, than the quality of the Royals first baseman while the Royals are just playing out the string.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that rushing in the absract is bad.
I don’t think a Sept. call-up for a 24 year old AAA first basemen (albeit a short tenured one) really qualifies as rushing. He will more than likely start next year in AAA so what’s the harm? Maybe he surprises everyone and show’s his 2008 numbers translate to the majors. So basically I see more upside than downside. Call him up.
by djk royal on Aug 27, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok
He will more than likely start next year in AAA so what’s the harm?
So there’s no harm from rushing a player if he goes back to the minors? I think if he comes up, has regular PT (like maybe 100 PA’s) and really fails, that would likely hurt his development as a player
Maybe he surprises everyone and show’s his 2008 numbers translate to the majors.
This gets back to the issue of how much 100 MLB PA’s would actually tell us. If he hit well in 100 PA’s in September, would this show that he’s for real? Wouldn’t it be folly to draw such a conclusion from one uncharacteristically good minor league season and one month of MLB play? There’s a sample size problem here, especially in the MLB numbers.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the sample size is so small then
how much could it really hurt his development. I mean come on. The AAA season will be over so he’s not losing developmental at-bats by being in the majors. Extra playing time he wouldn’t normally get when he has been raking in the upper minor leagues the entire season is not a bad thing.
by djk royal on Aug 27, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In 100 plate appearances with bad results
…I think you could genuinely hurt his development. His first 100 MLB PA’s could have a big effect on him and his approach. However, 100 MLB PA’s are too small of a sample size to accurately evaluate any player.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
player specific
obviously the situation is very dependent on the player. 100 bad at bats for player X might make him wallow in self pity, turn to drugs, and hang himself in his hotel room.
100 bad at bats from Player Y may cause him to go back to his room look in the mirror, and decide he’s going to spend three hours a day with the hitting coach to figure out what the MLB pitchers are doing better against him than the AAA pitchers were.
I think a player being affected by getting “rushed,” is really up to the player.
And he most likely wouldn’t get to 100 bad ABs if he was sucking. Hillman would probably give him the, “here’s 10 ABs… OK, now you know what you need to work on.”
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Aug 27, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
that him playing badly in September would retard his development, no. Kaaihue is pretty old for a prospect, and I don’t see him as someone who needs to prove much more at the AAA level.
I’d call him up so that the coaches and Hillman can look at him, and evaluate him, but mostly in workouts and batting practice, not so much in actual games. That gives him a good experience in the majors, not an awful "boy I might not be a major league quality player" experience.
Are we talking about confidence, here? Because I really don’t place much weight at all in the “boy I might not be a major league quality player” stuff. I think if you reach this level, you’ve got the confidence to bounce back from a bad month if you have the ability to play baseball this well in the first place. I agree that the coaching staff and Hillman should work with him…but no one was suggesting otherwise. I don’t think it would hurt Kaaihue to play a good bit of the time and still have the coaching staff working with him.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed 100%
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by doublestix on Aug 27, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed also
how is calling him up in Sept and having a bad month any different from calling him up next April and him having a bad month? if anything, seeing how hard it is to hit ML-quality lefties might actually help him refine his game between now and when he gets a legitimate shot at being a full-time ML’er.
by benfunke on Aug 27, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your assertion is being contradictive to what you have said in the past.
IYO talent wins out and psychological effect has little to do with it. If that is the case what are you worried about hurting in his development? Do you think he is gonna change his approach to hitting? I doubt that this guy has been taught an approach from his father a longtime Minor league player obviously as evident by the number of walks he has accrued over his career compared to anyone else in the system. I think the only damage that could be caused to Kila is maybe working with Barnett in September. Seems like you are switching your past assertions.
IMO Kila has performed at a much better clip than Gload/Shealy/Butler. He possesses a skill that all three don’t have (Patience at the plate) and he will probably sit out September. That is complete garbage. September wouldn’t tell KC a whole lot but a combination of September, winter ball in Hawaii and spring training could probably tell GMDM/coaching staff if he was ready to be a ML player. The fact that GMDM ignores production for so long is disappointing. Kila has more power than the 3 current 1b and has a WAY better plate approach yet KC isn’t sure if he is ready to contribute. Watching a team who has hit 3 HR’s in 14 games is pathetic and the overall number of XB hits in that span is crazy. This team couldn’t use someone with a good OBP/SLG in ‘09? Give him the bulk of the AB’s.
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by kcscoliny on Aug 28, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your sentiments, except for one thing
While the current lack of production is extremely lame, that can’t be one of the reasons for how we handle Kila. If he’s ready, he’s ready (which he is); if he’s not, he’s not—how crappy our ML team is has no relevance.
by benfunke on Aug 28, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't play in his evaluation
but it does play in the overall decision to bring him up or not. If KC had an above average 1b right now you probably wouldn’t bring him up because he wouldn’t get the PT.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
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by kcscoliny on Aug 28, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ross Gload

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least we can all agree
NHZ is an idiot!
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I reset the poll
so that the the question shouldn’t be leading. Of course, the whole post still might be leading, but whatevski.
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by NHZ on Aug 27, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I still believe you're an idiot?
Just kiddin; ;)
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 27, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quite easily ;)
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by NHZ on Aug 28, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who voted no?
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by doublestix on Aug 27, 2008 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to imagine anyone voting no, right?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does one bad September in the majors
have to hurt development of a player? Isn’t it possible that a player could get called up, play poorly, and decide they need to work even harder this offseason to get ready for next season?
I’m no expert on player development but I would think that a player getting a September callup to a team that is way out of the race would feel considerably less pressure than getting called up early next season.
by soxfaninkc on Aug 27, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Would it necessarily hurt his development?
No. But I think there is a significant chance that it could.
I’m no expert on player development but I would think that a player getting a September callup to a team that is way out of the race would feel considerably less pressure than getting called up early next season.
This would be an audition for Kila. Everyone in this thread on both sides of the issue has said so, and Kila knows it too. This would be a big shot for him. It might not be his only shot (but it might be). It certainly would be big for him and his career. That’s a lot of pressure. And if he starts not getting hit and striking out a bunch, he might change his approach and/or his swing. That wouldn’t be good for his development, but it could definitely happen.
Again, rushing a prospect is bad. It has a downside. Considering he was in AA a month ago, I think this could definitely be rushing him. And the downside could be significant. And the benefit from this call up is minor.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would think
after watching Brazell last year that Kila would think it was his only shot.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Aug 27, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call him up
give him a little while to settle in and then let him play everyday the last couple weeks of the season. Then once the season is over, send him to play winter ball and give him every chance to win a spot on the team out of spring training.
And whats the problem with "rush"ing them?

a little Rush never hurt anyone.
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by wildthang on Aug 27, 2008 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well... maybe before 1982 or so
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by devil_fingers on Aug 27, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we clear roster space
by DFAing Barnett?
by labbadabba on Aug 27, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And the parking lot attendants
We can’t forget the parking lot attendants. And there’s a hotdog vendor that rubs me the wrong way too.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that hotdog vendor is rubbing you the wrong way you need to consult Steinbrenner
because that has nothing to do with KC.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
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by kcscoliny on Aug 28, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He keeps calling me at home and hanging up
…but he always indentifies himself as a hot dog vendor from the K.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 28, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My final word
For chrissakes, NYRoyal, if you’re are unwilling to give a substantial # of September starts to a 24 yr old guy with stats like that, I would argue that you’re not willing to EVER LOOK AT ANY PROSPECT EVER in September.
You were DEAD WRONG on Aviles, and Kila has been a BETTER HITTER than Aviles in the minors this season.
My God, when talking about minor league player of the year FOR THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD, this guy is undoubtedly in the TOP FIVE, if not HIGHER!
Can’t you ever admit you might be wrong, even when other serious fans disagree by a margin of nearly 20 to 1?
by loyal2sdad on Aug 27, 2008 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course I might be wrong
Do you see my signature? That’s not tongue-in-cheek. That’s not sarcasm. Everything I say is just me giving my opinion (unless I’m relaying stats or other facts). Of course I could be wrong. Jeez.
For chrissakes, NYRoyal, if you’re are unwilling to give a substantial # of September starts to a 24 yr old guy with stats like that, I would argue that you’re not willing to EVER LOOK AT ANY PROSPECT EVER in September.
The fact that he was in AA a month ago is irrelevant to you? So if a guy is hitting well for one month in AAA, call him up, regardless? Apparently if you’re performing well in the minors, there’s no such thing as rushing, right?
You were DEAD WRONG on Aviles, and Kila has been a BETTER HITTER than Aviles in the minors this season.
The existence of one exceptional occurrence shouldn’t lead one to believe that the exception should suddenly become the rule.
Can’t you ever admit you might be wrong, even when other serious fans disagree by a margin of nearly 20 to 1?
First, the ratio right now is about 10:1. ;) Second, there are good reasons to want Kila called up. I get that. Even I want him called up. I just don’t want him to get a lot of PA’s. Those “20” are made up of a lot of fans. It is made up of some very intelligent, knowledgeable fans and a bunch of other fans. Most fans want to call up any and every player who is doing well in the minors. I get that. I just don’t think that is very smart. I see a downside. I don’t think it should be ignored.
Also, calm down. I don’t know if your all caps and “chrissakes” were the product of misplaced rage, but it sure looked that way. Intelligent people can disagree on this.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO THEY CAN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111
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by philofthenorth on Aug 27, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ultimately the issue of his call up is irrelevant
Everyone’s losing sight of this. September is one month, people. ONE FRIGGIN’ MONTH. A prospect’s star doesn’t rise or fall with one month. I don’t buy your argument, NHZ, that one month of baseball is significant to Kila because of his body type or age. And, I don’t buy your argument, NYRoyal, that the risk of giving him one month at the MLB level to “crash and burn” is signficant.
You can’t evaluate anything based on one month of baseball, even if Kila is called up and starts every day. Whether Kila is called up or ends his season in Omaha doesnt matter, because he’s put himself in a position where he is going to get a long look in 2009 spring training at the starting 1B/DH job. His incredible numbers from 2008 don’t lie, but there is always reason to remain skeptical of a prospect. Leave it at that.
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by DC Royal on Aug 27, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's fair
I would agree that the stakes for this decision aren’t very high. That’s probably why I’m for a limited, compromise approach between not calling him up and calling him up to be an everyday player.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If We Call
Him up and he experiences failure for a little while, he can go back to Omaha next year and work on his weaknesses; maybe it would serve to identify them. If a little MLB adversity ruins him, he probably wasn’t ever going to be good at this level.
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by philofthenorth on Aug 27, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s proven he is capable of handling adversity after dealing with injuries and a couple of disappointing minor league seasons, plus he’s no spring chicken by prospect standards and there is no basis to assume he is emotionally fragile.
His performance (Texas League player of the year as voted by league coaches and media and continued positive performance at AAA) and the circumstances (nobody worthy of blocking him at the major league level) say he is deserving of a callup.
by RATW on Aug 27, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So only the fragile can suffer from being rushed?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fragile are more suseptible to react negatively to short-term swings in performance, yes. I have reservations saying a September callup for a six-year professional 24-year-old qualifies as being rushed, especially given the quality and consistency of his performance this year. A callup for Daniel Cortes would be a rush job. I just don’t see a downside for Kaaihue.
by RATW on Aug 27, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is talking about it "ruining him"
But perhaps stunting his growth as a player.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t buy your argument, NHZ, that one month of baseball is significant to Kila because of his body type or age
That wasn’t an argument I made. I’m well aware that a decision on Kaaihue’s future shouldn’t exclusively be based on a single month. I just don’t see much reason not to call him up and starting finding out what he can do.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Aug 28, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simple question:
Would you rather have one month of Kila this year when it doesn’t matter one bit and four months of him next year when we might have a shot, or no months of Kila this year when it doesn’t matter one bit and five months of him next year when we might have a shot?
Not that the situations are similar, but wouldn’t you be a much happier person today if Mike Aviles had been called up on May 1?
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Aug 27, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
(By the way)
I don’t put much stock in NY’s argument about this; it’s not ludicrous or anything, but it’s not a great reason to make or not make the decision. However, in light of the fact that the only reason any of you are so gung-ho to call Kila up now is because you’re drooling at possibility, it’s my duty to remind you that an extra year of the Awesome and Spectacular Home Run Stylings of Kila Ka’aihue is a far, far greater reward than junk time in September of a lost season.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Aug 27, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my two reasons was service time
So you agree with at least half of my argument.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I was referring specifically to the "hurt his development" thing. :)
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Aug 28, 2008 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would just prefer they called him up and were careful with him
I don’t think it is quite time to throw him into the deep end of the pool. I’d give him some PT, but not enough for it to do him any harm. I actually think my call him up and give him 20 AB’s isn’t a radically different position from those who want to call him up and give him 100 AB’s. But I think it is a potentially important difference. But what do I know.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 28, 2008 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The service time argument
For the record, I’m not advocating a callup just because I’m drooling on my keyboard. I’m advocating the callup because I think the organization should begin finding out whether Kaaihue can be an asset when Ross Gload would be his only real competition for PT. It’s hardly a maverick idea to give someone a shot when you have nothing left to play for and a bad veteran is sucking up the playing time. Would I like to see Kaaihue? Yes. Is the primary reason I want to see him up my own impatience? No. I think, overall, it makes sense to start looking at Kaaihue as an option for next year and beyond. If he doesn’t get his foot in the door with a callup, I AM worried that the organization could crowd him out of his shot next season.
As for the service time argument…I just don’t see it is as significantly applicable to be a factor. We might waste a service time for a player who would be significantly beating the odds to be a starter in six years? I just don’t see that as a primary concern right now.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Aug 28, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's another one:
I think we all know that no matter what happens, Kila will be on the 40.
The Royals need to determine whether or not Shealy will as well, and calling Kila up this season makes that determination either impossible or a foregone conclusion ("no").
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by jonfmorse on Aug 29, 2008 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
While I don't necessarily agree with the Royals on this,
I’m not sure the organization sees Shealy as a guy who is going to get another shot at starting.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Aug 29, 2008 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they aren't going to give Kila ABs
I think they at least need to call him up to see if he’s even worth having on the bench. I know I’m beating this small irrelevant drum, but if he can be useful as a platoon guy/bench bat in tandem with someone else, that could help the Royals next year for cheap.
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by devil_fingers on Aug 29, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Particularly since
I get the feel, given reports on the interview, that Butler might start next year in Omaha. Just a bit of a hunch.
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by devil_fingers on Aug 29, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if Butler were going to start next year in Omaha, he'd be in Omaha right now.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 29, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Boring and Trite Voice of Boring and Conformist Reason = Me
Wow. People are really worked up about the Kila Monster. Great. It’s good to have something interesting to argue about besides Adam Dunn’s aging curve/defense, and, of course, he horrible, satantic strikeouts, not to mention “Will Ned Colletti Give the Royals Kemp and Ethier for Guillen, or will Duckworth have to be thrown in?”
We’re a rowdy bunch. But I thought I might sit this one out, as it was so nitpicky and, occasionally a bit angry. Those qualities are, of course, what makes RR such a splendidly wonderful waste of time. Nonetheless, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOTHING!

What’s funny it that while one might take the stereotype of this place to be “people don’t disagree with NYRoyal because they’re afraid,” I was actually a bit afraid to agree with him. I’m not stirring up shit, I just think it’s a bit funny. People just really want to see Kila up. And, given the way the original question was posed, I couldn’t help but think that something could possibly go wrong.
[That’s not a knock on you, NHZ. I should say that the post, along with the post-game threads, while in your own style, definitely are consistent with a certain tone in RR’s style. Well done, sir.]
Wow, am I a drama queen or what? Look out _Smallville_’s Clarke Kent! Dragging it out. Anyhoo… At first I thought, “naw, let’s not mess with it, leave him down, don’t risk anything.” But when people started posting that he may not get many ABs anyway, and that he might feel like it’s his only chance, and that it can’t tell people much, well, I guess I changed my mind. After all, we’re talking about a hypothetical “ought.” So here’s how I’d handle it if I was the Royals, and the why. Keep in mind I don’t understand all the “calling up next year” issues…
[sarc] I know you all can’t wait to read my informed, original, and oh so important opinion on this matter. [/sarc]
Call him up in September. The guy has been the most exciting player in the Royals minor leagues this year (Aviles has been in the majors), and is probably the “closest” position player in the minors. It’s a surprise, yes. I know that doesn’t automatically mean a call-up, but I think it would be a nice moral booster (not that it would make a huge difference) for the organization to see individual success rewarded. It would be good for the fans, too.
He doesn’t have to be treated like the jewel in the crown, but I think both upper (Moore or one of his assistants) and lower (Hillman) management need to make sure Kila knows that this isn’t going to be his only shot, that he’ s up because his hard work and great minors season should be recognized and rewarded. Sure, he might get some tips, but just make sure he knows that whatever happens, whether he bombs or hits bombs (wordplay!), he’s gonig to start next year in Omaha. I don’t know who’s left, but don’t make his first start against Andy Pettite or Cliff Lee. And don’t let him hit at all against Wakefield! If he starts to have some success, keep giving him ABs as much as possible.
Why do it? Besides rewarding a high minors player who had the best year, let the coaches look at him. Moreover, give the fans something to cheer for. If he’s reassured that he’s not going to be judged based on this one call up, wouldn’t that allieviate most of the “rushing” issues we’re worried about?
Call Kila up. He’s earned it with a great season. The fans have earned it by having watch another horrible one.
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by devil_fingers on Aug 27, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How dare you stir shit up?
You’re on octupal secret propbation now.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sirrah sirrah
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
by wildthang on Aug 27, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real reason Kila won't be called up
Shealy is OPSing .970 the last two months, and the Royals want to take a look at him first, and Kila is basically the second option is Shealy does not work out.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Aug 27, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shealy is out of options next year
So the decision time for him is more immediate. And for service time reasons, we shouldn’t be calling Kila up to start the 2009 season in KC anyway.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 27, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they should bring Shealy up
They should have already sent Gload down (oh the horrors if someone claimed him) and been giving every non-Butler start at 1B to Shealy.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Aug 27, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shealy should have been up on April 1
Oops
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by doublestix on Aug 28, 2008 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, right. Next you'll be saying something like "they should never have extended Gload."
You insane bastard!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Aug 28, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should've started German at first, dammit
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Aug 28, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay,
I really do get this argument that involves the FO making sure he knows this isn’t his only shot. I do. I think it’s a good idea. I just want to point out that I never suggested that Kaaihue shouldn’t be treated well during his callup. I thought that point was a given, whereas others (d_f and NY) have made it more explicit.
And, given the way the original question was posed, I couldn’t help but think that something could possibly go wrong.
Hence the reason I reset the poll. I thought the original was funny, and a bit useless.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Aug 28, 2008 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was agreeing with you, by the way
Just saying “here’s a way that might mitigate whatever potentially harmful effects the callup might have.”
Personally, I thought the original post was the best. Can you switch it back now?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Aug 28, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
I think the poll’s better now that we might learn something from it, though I maintain that some of my brilliant humor got lost in the rush to establish battlelines.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Aug 28, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was hilarious
really
I became the BaTVoCaBR because the rush to get more table quarters was insane, and the “we agree that it won’t probably make a difference” convinced me that there’s a way to call him up that could eliminate those worries.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Aug 28, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice of you to say
and I need more table quarters. I always get killed by those stupid Dog-zombie things in House of the Dead.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Aug 28, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I'm really confused?
Is this 40k talk or another Bruce Campbell movies?
Will you build my Space Marines for me?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Aug 28, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
House of the Dead 3
is an arcade game that I’ve wasted waaaay too many quarters on during many a happy summer night (nostalgia).
Heh, I’m probably like you in that I’d never get around to actually painting an army. And for the record, Imperial Guard rules. Ordinary people in extraordinary situations and all that. Gaunt for Emperor!
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Aug 28, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imperial Guard = too expensive
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Aug 28, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NHZ = doesn't play the game
He just reads the good series that come out of the universe.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Aug 28, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i take back my 'yea' vote for Kila call-up
if he gets called up, then he gets to work with our ML hitting coaches. and we all know what they do with promising young talents (especially left-handed-batting young talents).
by benfunke on Aug 27, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bobblehead
Yeah, but if you DFA Tony Pena Jr., what do you do on his bobblehead night?
Crossing out “Pena” and writing “Aviles” in magic marker on the backs of 20,000 bobblehead jerseys won’t be fun.
by Trey Hillman's Chin on Aug 27, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rookie initiation
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Aug 27, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love hazing
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
by wildthang on Aug 27, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even better
You make Aviles do it himself.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Aug 28, 2008 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I would be jumping up and down excitedly after each sharpie-tipped rewrite. Then I would shout “Aviles is Awesome!” every time.
by benfunke on Aug 28, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone see this article yet? Just popped up.
It’s from an SB Nation sister-site, Minor League Ball.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/8/28/603102/where-did-this-guy-come-fr
by stlfan on Aug 28, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Retro fanshotted it already
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Aug 28, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawaiian Punch
Kila Bomb #10
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Aug 28, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I completely forgot the culture shock argument
From Hawaii to Kansas City? And from Springdale to Omaha to Kansas City all in one month? Can we expect him to adapt to that kind of cultural change in such a short period of time? That would have to hurt his development.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 29, 2008 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Springdale has the largest population of Marshall Islanders outside of the Pacific. The Marshall Islands are kinda like Hawaii. Therefore, his stay in Springdale smoothed his transition from Hawaii to Kansas City. The Royals have thought of everything.
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by RATW on Aug 29, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then it must have been really hard for him to go to Omaha, and now we're talking about him making another difficult transition to KC?
That sounds like a recipe for culture shock disaster. Now, if they would redecorate the clubhouse in a tiki bar motif and perhaps have the team play with flower lei’s on, then I might reconsider.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 29, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll probably be nervous, wear a "Go Big Red" Nebraska shirt to a bar the first night, and get beaten within an inch of his life by a bunch of Big 12 yokels
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Aug 29, 2008 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could only hurt his development
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Aug 29, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, please
You namby-pambies. Getting tuned up in a Westport bar? That would just toughen the kid up. Might teach him some GRIT!
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Aug 30, 2008 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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