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Boras, Hosmer and the Royals

Unfortunately this Baseball Prospectus article on Alvarez, Boras, Hosmer and the Royals is a subscription-only article. But here are some Royals-relevant excerpts:

From the Pirates: "The Pirates are confident that the contract reached with Pedro Alvarez was agreed to and submitted to Major League Baseball in a timely fashion and properly accepted by Major League Baseball. In fact, the contract between the Kansas City Royals and Eric Hosmer, another Boras client, was submitted to the Office of the Commissioner after our contract with Pedro was submitted. Mr. Boras is apparently satisfied with the $6 million bonus that he secured for Mr. Hosmer and has not challenged the validity of that contract. Mr. Boras has been informed that if he pursues a claim that our contract with Pedro was not timely he puts Eric Hosmer's contract with Kansas City in jeopardy."

Kevin Goldstein: "This is a huge power play for so early in the process. This is sitting down at the World Series of Poker and going all-in on your first hand before the flop. Hosmer is suddenly hit by shrapnel—at risk of becoming collateral damage in a war that went from skirmish to blitzkrieg in about three seconds flat (or more literally, twelve days). Also a Scott Boras client, Hosmer got his six million and is already playing, going 3-for-6 with a pair of doubles in his first two games for Idaho Falls in the Pioneer League. But once again, we see the term "timely fashion." Not the midnight deadline, simply a timely fashion. According to multiple sources, Hosmer did not come to terms with the Royals until after the midnight deadline. He turned down $5.5 million just minutes before, and agreed to the $6 million offer after midnight. With the deadline approaching, the Royals seemingly contacted major league baseball and asked for some kind of window in which they could finish negotiations, and that request was granted. In multiple discussions with industry insiders, nobody that I spoke with had ever been through such a process themselves, but they universally believed that baseball would likely allow such a thing in some cases, since an extension window would be in the best interests of both sides in the negotiation."

"Now, back to Hosmer for a moment. If Alvarez' deal is ruled illegal on the basis of timing alone, then logic would dictate that Hosmer's deal could meet the same fate. It's important to note that Boras has not in any way contested the Hosmer contract, but the agent's tactics with his other client have put this one within the blast zone of the action. Which again takes us back to the legality of a window extension, and whether or not the Pirates received one. As an additional note, Hosmer has already signed an actual contract, has already played, and has likely already received a significant amount of money. There is no way he'd have NCAA eligibility should his deal be voided."

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Hosmer has already begun performance

Even if the written contract is declared void, wouldn’t the Royals have a claim of promissory estoppel?

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 28, 2008 5:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Promissory estoppel

      A doctrine in which a non contractual promise may be made enforceable to avoid an injustice.

by ZeppelinDZ on Aug 28, 2008 5:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, if the worst happens and the contract is voided, does that mean,

by the letter of the CBA, that the Royals no longer have rights to him??

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Aug 28, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

but they get Runelvyz Hernandez back in compensation

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 28, 2008 5:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah runelvyz

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 28, 2008 6:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wouldn't you think that

Boras is just protecting his relationship with the Royals by not involving them? They’ve worked with him the last few years. Maybe he used Alverez instead of Hosmer because he doesn’t have a good working relationship with the Pirates.

Unless this is really Alverez being mad that Buster got more money than him. Drama!

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Aug 28, 2008 6:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boras is just protecting his relationship with the Royals by not involving them?

No, I think he’s trying to do what is best for his client by not involving the Royals. Hosmer signed a good contract and didn’t want to go to college and wait to get paid for 3 years (and take the risks that went along with it). And now Hosmer can’t go to school. So involving the Royals would just potentially hurt Hosmer. The problem, as stated above, is that what Boras is doing with regard to Alvarez and the Pirates potentially hurts Hosmer.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 28, 2008 6:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It sucks for the Royals

but one can hardly blame the Pirates for bringing the Hosmer contract into it. Is this seriously about 200,000 dollars? I’ve stuck up for Boras (ick) in the past, but I really don’t see how this helps his client, or even clients.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 28, 2008 6:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hosmer should just offer alvarez the 200k, seriously.

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Aug 28, 2008 9:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that its as simple as

Hosmer is happy with his contract and Alvarez isn’t. Of course, by challenging the Pirates he would definitely jeopardize Hosmer’s contract.

by raefzilla on Aug 28, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This whole deal is a JOKE!

200K are you serious this kid is gonna ruin his development over 200k and the title highest paid rookie of ‘08? This wreaks of typical Boras bull***t. I can’t believe a kid like Alvarez would go along with this he obviously doesn’t understand risk/reward.

Reward-300k probably and the $5 trophy "Highest paid Rookie ’08

Risk- Injury in independent ball, slotting system created lose money

Lost – 1 year of Minor league time/level thus costing you one more year to get to the majors where the big money awaits.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 28, 2008 7:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hosmer not in line up tonight, hmmmmmmmmmm?

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Aug 28, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hosmer likes his contract and Boras does not want to contest his contract

So there would be no reason for Hosmer to “hold out.”

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 28, 2008 10:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He might have no choice

The union and its members stick together thru hell and hell in high lava. If Pedro challenges his contracts validity then Hosmer might get wrapped into a pissing match with the commissioners office, Pittsburgh and the union. Boras is creating more trouble than what it is really worth in my opinion, he is singlehandedly gonna creating a firmer slotting base costing him commissions.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 29, 2008 12:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The union and its members stick together thru hell and hell in high lava.

Hosmer, as a minor leaguer, is not a member of the MLBPA. He is not bound by anything the MLBPA does. He cannot be forced to not play by the MLBPA. If they attempted to force him to do that, the MLB would file a grievance with the NLRB which they would definitely win. They can’t do that, period. This isn’t Hosmer’s fight. And the MLBPA wouldn’t benefit from Hosmer holding out anyway. Hosmer would be affected by the outcome, but it is not in his interest to “fight” along side Alvarez and the MLBPA.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 29, 2008 12:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to admit, I'm confused.

If minor league players are not members of the MLBPA, then on what grounds can the MLBPA file a grievance on Alvarez’ behalf in the first place? This seems like a ridiculous vortex of illogic. Even if Alvarez agreed to an MLB deal, it still shouldn’t matter right now, because he hasn’t signed it.

Not that I think any of this matters, or will affect Hosmer — because he’s actually signed his contract. I’m pretty sure the core issue at this point has everything to do with whether the Pirates control Alvarez’ rights as an unsigned player. I’d be stunned if any resolution occurs which addresses anything other than that status.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 29, 2008 5:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If minor league players are not members of the MLBPA, then on what grounds can the MLBPA file a grievance on Alvarez’ behalf in the first place?

I think it is because the rules that govern the draft (at least some of them) are part of the collective bargaining agreement. Therefore if MLB violates something in the CBA which affects a player (even though we’re not talking about a major league player) they have a right to file a grievance under the CBA. At least, I think that is their argument. A judge or arbitrator might see it differently.

Not that I think any of this matters, or will affect Hosmer — because he’s actually signed his contract. I’m pretty sure the core issue at this point has everything to do with whether the Pirates control Alvarez’ rights as an unsigned player. I’d be stunned if any resolution occurs which addresses anything other than that status.

While you are probably right, it is certainly possible that a judge/arbitrator could rule that any agreement made after midnight on the 15th is null and void. This would likely make Hosmer a free agent.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 29, 2008 5:22 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Possible, but completely implausible

Dyas is the arbitrator on this one. He’s a very, very strict precedential arbitrator, and there is absolutely nothing in this case which lends itself to a ruling of that nature.

From what I can tell, in arb-circles the betting money is on him ruling that the situation stands, because the union has no control over minor-league contracts. Indeed, the end result may well backfire on Boras, as Dyas may rule that the union’s consent may be required before granting an extension to conclude negotiations on a MAJOR-league deal but not a minor-league one. (!)

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 29, 2008 5:43 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok a thought

Hosmer becomes a free agent, we have him resign his contract, and we get a supplemental first round pick?

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Aug 29, 2008 8:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, clever!

Maybe that’s Boras’s plan! Maybe his relationship with GMDM is SO good that they’re in cahoots!

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Aug 29, 2008 9:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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