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Amazing (or at least interesting) Japanese pitches

I recently ran across some very interesting clips of Japanese pitchers that I thought I'd share (so don't run off because this is full of potentially boring text about pitches and pitching -- there are many cool video clips in here).  I'm something of a pitching buff and I find it both interesting and unfortunate that there isn't more innovation in American pitching.  There are more good pitches to be invented and discovered, but it seems like American pitchers are just working on the same old pitches.  I'm not saying that they shouldn't try to perfect the fastball, curveball, slider, etc., but isn't there value in new pitches as well?  Hell, American pitchers are not only not inventing new pitches, they are also forgetting old ones (where have you gone, screwball?).  Well, regardless, the Japanese are hard at work on building the better mousetrap.

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Any discussion of interesting Japanese pitches begins with the gyroball.  One of the most interesting things about this pitch is that its very existence is in dispute.  Some say it is merely a myth or legend.  Many others claim to have actually invented the pitch.  Descriptions of what the pitch is, how it moves and how it is thrown are as varied as types of sushimi.  

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The most common description of the gyroball involves it being thrown with an outward, as opposed to inward twist of the wrist (unlike a slider, curve or cut fastball).  This may sound like a screwball, but a screwball is really more a reverse curveball, with the ball being given something close to topspin, making it break down and to the right from a right handed pitcher.  The spin imparted to a gyroball is like that of a football thrown with a perfect spiral (that kind of spin, but counter clockwise from a righty instead of clockwise).  Fastballs have backspin, curveballs have topspin and gyroballs have a lateral spin.  Theoretically, this gives the ball a break to the right from a RHP, like a screwball but different from the screwball in that it doesn't have the same kind of downward break.  in short, while a screwball might have an 11-to-5 break, the gyroball has more of a 9-to-3 break from a RHP.  That's an exaggeration, but you know what I mean.

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Of all of the videos I've seen of pitchers supposedly throwing a gyroball, I think this clip of Tetsuro Kawajiri shows the gyroball best.  The clip shows him striking out Jay Payton and Carlos Delgado in the 2000 Japan-U.S. All-Star Series.  Notice how both Payton and Delgado swing under the pitch because it just doesn't break downward as one would expect it to.  Daisuke Matsuzaka claims that he never intentionally throws the gyroball in games, but occasionally accidentally throws one as a mistake and sometimes throws them in workouts.  This clip supposedly shows him throwing on in a Japanese league game, but it doesn't look at all like a gyroball or anything particularly special or interesting to me.

One of the most recent Japanese pitch inventions is Satoru Komiyama's pitch which he calls the "shake."  It appears to be a knuckleball-like pitch which is thrown with something resembling a forkball grip.  In this clip, you can see the easy, Wakefield-like arm motion and that the pitch is thrown from 87-92 kph (54-57 mph).  And it appears that he, like extreme knuckleballers like Wakefield, throw the pitch almost exclusively.  It has wild, unpredictable movement like the knuckleball and appears almost to be in slow motion.

An older Japanese pitch invention is the shuuto.  It is a high velocity breaking ball with a break opposite to that of a slider.  Like the screwball, it breaks down and in to a righty batter from a RHP.  Because of this, it is often confused with the screwball and gyroball.  It is sometimes referred to as a "reverse slider."  The way I see it, the screwball is the opposite of a curveball.  They both are much slower than a fastball with a lot of break.  The difference is the directions in which they break, which is caused by the spin given the ball at release.  You can think of a shuuto as the opposite of a slider.  They are both high velocity pitches (though not as fast as a fastball) but they break in opposite directions.  In this clip, you can see a montage of Japanese shuuto's.

On Youtube, you will find many clips of Japanese pitchers making pitched balls do all kinds of crazy, impressive things.  There are at least three reasons for this:

1. They have some very good pitchers.

2. Japanese pitching focuses more on movement and change of speeds than blowing hitters away with maximum velocity.

3. The ball used in Japanese baseball is smaller with seams that are raised off the surface of the ball higher.  This helps the pitchers grip and spin the ball better, and for aerodynamic reasons, the higher seams help the ball move more.

Some examples of crazy impressive ball movement can be seen these clips of Masaki Hayashi's incredible looping sliderShinji Imanaka's slow curve, and Chihiro Kaneko's harder curveball

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Interesting

Thanks for piecing that together. It’s obvious that, given the never-ending need for quality pitching in the big leagues, we will be seeing more Japanese pitchers coming over. Hopefully the next time the Royals sign one, they’ll have better scouting reports…

You are right about the lack of innovation over here as compared to Japan.

by cookierojas73 on Aug 30, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chihiro Kaneko's curve...

It’s got nothing on the Mexicutioner!!!

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by doublestix on Aug 30, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's true

His curve was 111 kph, which is 69 mph. I think Soria’s curve is even slower than that, with at least as much break.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 30, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Think 68

Is the slowest I’ve seen Soria’s curve register.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 31, 2008 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really, I thought it got lower than that

The batted ball data from this year says his average curveball velocity has been 70.3 mph, so you’re probably right.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 31, 2008 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome post

But what will we find to argue about? Perhaps debating merits of shuuto vs. eephus…

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by marbotty on Aug 31, 2008 10:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I must admit that understanding pitches is my weakness

So, what makes Imanaka’s curve different from the Eephus? It looks just like a lob, or is it spinning a special way that I’m not noticing?

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by mazoboom on Aug 31, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It might just be an eephus pitch

There are some big, slow curveballs that look like that. But in order to be a curveball, the pitcher must give it some topspin. I looked at the clip over and over just now and and it doesn’t seem to me like he did that. It looks more like he just lobbed the ball. But I’d have to see some other clips and hopefully a closeup of the grip and release to know for sure.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 31, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post, nice change of pace.

Still, I’m having a hard time getting my head around something:

Jay Paton made an All-Star Team of some sort?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Aug 31, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Any interesting Japanese pitchers coming over?

I think last I heard it was mostly relievers and a few middle infielders that were likely to be posted. Think we’ll make a play?

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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 1, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There are some that will probably be posted and some FA's

I’m sure we won’t make a play on any that are posted. It just isn’t worth it for a small market team to pay the posting fee plus the huge contract. There are some FA’s who are interesting, though.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 1, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need a leadoff type hitter.... could we get one from Japan?

Who is decent?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Sep 1, 2008 7:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

They have a lot of speedy slap hitters. But you never know how they’ll do in the majors. But do we really need a leadoff hitter? We’ve got a great leadoff hitter in DeJesus and high OBP guy in Callaspo. I’m more interested in a genuinely good hitter (high OBP and SLG) than a leadoff type hitter.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 1, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think a table setter is one of the positions that we need to fill as well as high RBI/power guys.

Aviles has done well there but he’s not a leadoff type. I’d feel much better with DDJ or Callaspo in the 2 spot beind a Furcal type of player. Get Aviles into the 3 hole. A FA in the 4 spot. Guillen 5. Butler 6. Gordon 7. And we’ve got something good going.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Sep 1, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aviles has an OBP of 323 versus right handed pitchers, .745 OPS

Maybe with all the injuries, try him now. With everyone back, he shouldn’t be hitting higher than 5th even on this roster. Keep in mind that .323 OBP against righties includes a .303 BA, with an unsustainable BABIP rate. That only looks good on a team where Jose Guillen is OBPing .252 against righties, and Butler isn’t much better..

Still, as much as I like Aviles, he shouldn’t be a top of the order guy against righties. Gordon and DDJ are the only guys on the team who have gotten on base consistently against righties this year.

Aviles is currently OPSing 1.074 against lefties, however. I think he’ll maintain a good split, but I doubt THAT good, since his BABIP is currently .430. (Unfortuneatley, I don’t have access to LD% platoon splits). I don’t think that wil last. So hitting him second against lefties makes sense — I’m not worried about ’wasted" power.

INdeed, Butler and (especially) Guillen smoke lefties, too (which makes Guillen’s overall line even more pathetic). So there’s a 2-3-4 in some order.

VIVA AVILANCHE

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Sep 1, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that Aviles' BABIP is a little deceiving

     Aviles is an up the middle type of guy, who tend to have higer averages. I think his average is more sustainable then you think.

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Sep 3, 2008 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

But a .323 OBP isn’t a guy who should be in the top half against righties.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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