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Top 3 catcher prospects

1) Sean McCauley
Age: 19 | Team: Idaho Falls Chukars (R-Adv)
2008 Vital Line: .278/.347/.385, 28/17 K/BB

The Royals got a steal in the 12th round last year when they selected catcher Sean McCauley from Manassas, Virginia. He was actually expected to be a fairly tough sign, but after coaching changes at Western Carolina (his commit), things changed. After signing for an above slot bonus, McCauley went to Arizona and hit surprisingly well, especially considering he was drafted more because of his defense. Baseball America ranked him as having the best pop time in the Royals system among catchers.

McCauley hit well after a slow start this year, batting .312/.390/.448 in the months of July and August, which is a pretty impressive number for a 19-year-old in the Pioneer League. He needs to continue to add some weight to his skinny frame, which will improve his blocking ability, endurance over a long season, and should add more power to his offensive game.

2) Salvador Perez
Age: 18 | Team: Burlington Royals (R)/Idaho Falls Chukars (R-Adv)
2008 Vital Line: .333/.392/.455, 5/6 K/BB

Perez has shown that stats in complex leagues, ESPECIALLY stats from Latin guys in their first year in the states, can not be taken very seriously. He originally signed during the signing period in 2006 from Venezuela for about $75,000. Soon there after, Perez had a huge growth spurt and now stands at about 6-foot-3, 190 pounds. Perez put up a TPJ like stat line last year, but has really hit well this year as you can see by his stats. He's an excellent contact hitter that utilizes the entire field. The pop isn't really there yet, but from a guy his size you expect it to come at some point or another (insert Mark Teahen joke here).

The arm, receiving skills, and frame is there for him to be a solid defensive catcher too. In fact, he threw out nearly 50% of base runners last year. Keep in mind, that he did that as a 17-year-old with pitchers that probably had raw and possibly slow mechanics.

3) Travis Jones
Age: 19 | Team: Surprise Royals (R)
2008 Vital Line: .188/.316/.188, 7/3 K/BB

Jones checks in at #3. He was the 50th round draft pick this year, although he's better than your typical 50th round pick for sure. He signed for about $160,000 after his summer league was over and headed to Arizona where he just recently started playing in a few games. The thing that stands out most about Jones is his raw power. In fact, he beat Eric Hosmer in a home run derby this summer (HOSMER IS A BUST!!!!!!!!1!1!!1!), so it's got to be pretty darn good.

I don't know that much about his defense, there was talk that some teams viewed him as a third baseman. Either way, both positions take a strong arm and that's a pretty darn good place to start if your a young catcher.

Honorables--

Jose Bonilla - Big numbers in AZL, don't know anything beyond that.
Mauricio Matos - 10th round pick, projectable.
Adam Donachie - Too bad we took him instead of Brian McCann.

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To end this, it's really just a matter of preference between McCauley and Perez. My amateur gut feeling likes McCauley a tad more right now, but that could change next year. My guess is they'll split catching duties with Burlington next year, and probably getting some additional AB's at the DH spot. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if either of them ended among the Royals 10 best prospects.

And yea, it's pretty lame that I could only do a top 3 here, but after starting I didn't want to not post it, and I didn't know enough to go all the way to five. So there it is.

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I assume Brayan Pena is not on the list because he no longer qualifies due to his time on the Braves roster?

If he were eligible, he’d deserve to be on the list. He’s not a high ceiling guy, but that’s not a great list. The minor league and particularly AAA OBP’s are fairly impressive.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 31, 2008 4:08 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brayan's the reason why I see Buck as expendable

There’d likely be a minor drop off in performance, but not enough (IMhumbleO) to suggest Buck’s worth $4 million more annually.

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by marbotty on Aug 31, 2008 10:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And yet Brayan Pena could easily hit .228/.252/.315 in the majors (his career MLB numbers)

He’d probably do better than that. But how much better? He’s a useful dirt cheap backup catching option. But there’s no reason to believe his numbers would even be in the vicinity of Buck’s.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Aug 31, 2008 2:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bucks numbers

.233/296/.399 really not all that much better, if his arm doesn’t get back to what it used to be marbotty is probably right.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Sep 2, 2008 10:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Buck's had a bad year

but keep in mind that some of his advantage against lefties was taken away by Olivo getting those starts.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Sep 2, 2008 11:38 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Sep 2, 2008 12:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

These two sets of numbers really aren't all that different?

.228/.252/.315
vs.
.233/.296/.399

44 points of OBP and 84 points of SLG are “really not all that much better?” Yeah, it is. That’s actually a huge difference.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 2, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

$2.5M more?

B. Pena numbers are very very small samples.

He is a better BA/OBP guy than Buck. Buck doesn’t provide the power and/or defense to justify him as a longterm catching option of KC. Bucks career .758 OPS v. lefties is hardly stellar and really doesn’t justify playing time over Olivo. IMO I would rather KC resigned Olivo split the v.RH ab’s with B.Pena and hope the rest of the league holds the same opinion of Buck that everyone else does in here and trade him for some milb development talent. He doesn’t appear to be all that useful currently with lack of pop and inability to throw anyone out.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Sep 2, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

$2.5M more? Yes
B. Pena numbers are very very small samples.

That’s true. But my point is that we can’t be confident that he’ll even be mediocre in the majors. He has a lot of downside potential. As a backup catcher, that’s low risk. As a starting, everyday catcher, that’s more risk than is reasonable to take on considering how little $2.5M is.

He is a better BA/OBP guy than Buck.

He was in the minors. Would he be in the majors? The limited MLB data we have on him so far says no.

Buck doesn’t provide the power and/or defense to justify him as a longterm catching option of KC

Is an average catcher good enough to be a long-term option? Because that is basically what he’s been as a Royal. But I’m not even necessarily advocating him being the starting catcher for the Royals long-term. I’m saying offer him arbitration, see how he performs in 2009 and then re-evaluate to make the next tender/non-tender choice.

Bucks career .758 OPS v. lefties is hardly stellar and really doesn’t justify playing time over Olivo. IMO I would rather KC resigned Olivo split the v.RH ab’s with B.Pena

Olivo is not an option for 2009. He said he’s not exercising his part of the mutual option, meaning he’ll become a FA (you can hold out hope that there’s nothing in his clause waiving the team’s arbitration rights, but his comments make it clear that he either exercises his option or he’s a FA). And he wants to be a starting catcher somewhere. He isn’t going to re-sign with KC as the lesser part of a catching platoon with Brayan Pena.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 2, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like I said midseason Buck appears to some(you and a few others on here) as a valuable commodity. Hopefully a few other GM’s would view him that way also and you could bring back some value for him. Olivo could be a decent 2-3 year stopgap until KC could draft/develop someone else. Buck just doesn’t seem THAT valuable to me. The last two years now he has just fallen apart .570/.556 OPS in the second half and his 18% CS rate the last two years doesn’t scream gotta keep him.

As for B.Pena he offers some versatility as a switch hitter and I don’t think one can really make an opinion off of 100 ab’s

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Sep 2, 2008 4:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Olivo could be a decent 2-3 year stopgap

You keep bringing up Olivo. With Olivo, there are two options (and that assumes that he’d be willing to come back to KC under any circumstances, which is questionable). The first option is to offer him a FA contract with the understanding that he’ll be the lesser third of a platoon. He wouldn’t do that, period. I could list the handful of reasons why he wouldn’t do that, but I think they are pretty obvious. The second option is that you offer him a FA contract. He’d likely come for a similar price as Buck and their career stats are:

Buck .233/.296/.399 80 OPS+
Olivo .242/.276.413 78 OPS+

So Buck’s hitting stats are better, particularly when you factor in that OBP is the most valuable of the above listed stats and Buck has 20 points on Olivo. And Olivo is two years older, so Buck has more peak years coming. Olivo’s defense is a little better, but not enough to tip the balance. If you’re looking for a decent stopgap, Buck is it.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 2, 2008 5:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Olivo/Buck

If KC was offered a 2-3 year deal he very likely could resign. Trading Buck would make him the defacto starter. He would get all the v.LH ab’s and split the RH ab’s with Brayan.

Olivo’s arm, power and similar hitting ability along with Bucks more valuable youth offers a good reason to trade Buck and stick with Miggy and platoon Pena against RH’s

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Sep 2, 2008 5:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A 2-3 year guaranteed contract for a catcher in his 30's with stats worse than Buck's?

Wow, no way. Either go with Buck, or go cheap. There’s no reason to give that much guaranteed money go a guy like Olivo. That makes as much sense as locking down Buck for a 2-3-year deal.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 2, 2008 5:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Think about this

You are essentially already locked in with Buck whether you want to admit it or not someone has to play catcher. I would rather ink Olivo at 2.5-3 for 2/3 years and trade Buck for some value than pay him the 3+ per year in arbitration and have someone like B.Pena backing him up. The total money invested in Catcher would be 3-3.5M as opposed to 4+-5M if you keep Buck and bring a FA. You are saving money longterm and bringing back youth+value by trading Buck and essentially keeping the same catcher you already have.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Sep 2, 2008 6:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trust me, I am thinking about this
You are essentially already locked in with Buck whether you want to admit it or not someone has to play catcher.

Right. For one year. And you aren’t going to get much for Buck in trade. While you are saving just a little bit of money, you’re getting a worse catcher in his 30’s. And I still think he’s not siging with the Royals unless it is a 3-year deal which would be tremendously stupid in my opinion.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 2, 2008 6:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Change your opinion midstream?

Buck you said is league average and younger? At a premium position, Isn’t that value to you? IYO he is those things, IMO I don’t believe him to be league average as his arm is below average and I don’t believe he is worth much as a hitter. Olivo is older but has only caught 90 more games in the big leagues than Buck and appears to have faster/fresher legs than Buck which is more important at catcher than age is.

Its all what other GM’s judgement is, if there are a few out there that value him the way you do then trade him and build as you don’t lose anything keeping Olivo instead.

any Value+C > C+0 Either way KC is on the hook for 2 years of a below average catcher.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Sep 2, 2008 6:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No
Buck you said is league average and younger? At a premium position, Isn’t that value to you?

It has value, but it isn’t the kind of thing that is going to get you a lot in trade when the player has only two more years of team control. That’s why it makes sense to offer him arbitration, but wait on any decision beyond 2009.

Ok, I’m done now. Olivo won’t be coming back under any circumstances. I’d bet a year’s salary on that. So I go with Buck for 2009.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 2, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok, I’m done now. Olivo won’t be coming back under any circumstances. I’d bet a year’s salary on that. So I go with Buck for 2009.

Ya and Aviles and Kila won’t get called up. I’ll add that to your pile of other great GMNY moments. Olivo would come back if Buck was gone. Do I expect Buck to be gone, no but it would be a nice way to upgrade. Buck/Olivo should’ve been package with Mahay/Grudz before the deadline like I said at the time. Oh well I’m sure GMDM tried that or a form of it.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Sep 2, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boy you don't wait long to get mean spirited do you, colin? Take a pill
Ya and Aviles and Kila won’t get called up. I’ll add that to your pile of other great GMNY moments.

I didn’t think Aviles would get called up. I never said Kila would not get called up. I made no prediction there. Would you like to make a bet about Olivo? Name the stakes and I’m in.

Olivo would come back if Buck was gone.

Because he trusts the Royals management to make him the starting catcher? Wasn’t he complaining early this season that he was under the impression when he signed that he’d get a chance to compete for the starting spot and then didn’t get that? He doesn’t trust the Royals and is none too pleased with them. He’s not coming back. You can take that to the bank. If you’re interested in a wager, let me know

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 2, 2008 11:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand all that

I’m on board with your comment. I said that if KC traded Buck first then he would stay. I will make the wager with you if KC trades Buck. I don’t forsee that either but if they could get some value out of him.

He was complaining but I think he is a semi-intelligent guy who would realize his competition is gone and no one else is beating down his door.

Its a moot point you’re right Buck won’t go anywhere because of convenience.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Sep 2, 2008 11:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its a moot point you’re right Buck won’t go anywhere because of convenience.

And the fact that he’s a better player.

One of the problems with your proposal is that you have to trade Buck first. So Buck gets traded, I guess with the hope that Olivo wants to stay. Considering the fact that at best Olivo staying then would be questionable, that’s quite a risk. Olivo would definitely test the FA market. With Buck gone, he’d have all of the leverage with the Royals. And the Royals would have to top any and all offers from other teams. Do we really want to overbid other teams for Olivo? Do we want to get stuck in a position where we have to meet Olivo’s demands as far as money and number of years? The more we talk about it, the worse this idea sounds.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 12:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't believe Buck to be the better player

Throw stats a to the wind for this one. Have you watched them? Have you analyzed swings? Throwing? Game calling? Handling pitchers? Approach? Quit looking at stats and thinking about them because I know you are. Just watching the two, they are very even players. Olivo is a better overall hitter and thrower. Buck is a better pitch caller and game manager even though I like Olivo’s get it done with the fastball first style. Olivo blocks better and has a much better arm. If we truly go by defense for our catcher, Olivo is the man. If we go by offense or potential offense, Olivo is our man. If you want to go with who is here or who the pitchers are feeling more comfortable with, Buck is our man. However, I believe that given the chance, our pitchers will be just as comfortable with Olivo behind the plate. Quit thinking about stats. This is your chance to play scout. Just watch and decide from what you see. Traits. Swing. Defense. Management. Personality. Intangibles that you can get off the tv. After you get away from your stats and see what they both offer, who do you go with?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Sep 3, 2008 4:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok, throwing out stats

Some key Royals pitchers (like Meche and Greinke) have talked about how much they love having Buck catch for them. And I don’t think that there is any evidence that Olivo is the better hitter. Olivo doesn’t have a better swing, better approach or better plate discipline. So, taking stats out of it, Buck is better.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm loathe to butt in here

but, “taking stats out of it,” Olivo is a real dream to manage, apparently.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 3:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Intangibles, baby!

Maybe that just means he has a lot of fire.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well either way

We have Pena to start next year :)

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Sep 3, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pena NOW!

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Sep 3, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whose better defensively?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Sep 3, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably Olivo

Throwing out runners – Olivo
Fielding their position – Maybe Olivo by a little
Calling a game/pitchers being comfortable with them – Buck (at least with this rotation)

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 8:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what the Royals usually go by....

I don’t know who I’d rather have. As an x-pitcher I’d have to throw to both of them in game situations to decide. But if we go by money, Olivo is cheaper. Buck will catch on somewhere else. I think Olivo is the better blocker. I know Olivo is the better thrower. I think Olivo is the more aggressive player. Buck might be a better pitcher handler.

I think Olivo will put up better production UNLESS Buck realizes that he needs to shorten his swing up and use the field. I’ve had the priveledge of working out with Buck in the weight room and the tunnels. He knows that he can shorten up and have good success but he won’t do it. Olivo is stronger and if he cut down he’d probably be better. The all or nothing approach is struggling for BOTH our catchers.

Knowing their character… I might go with Buck. That’s why I’m not the GM though. I’d move both and pull in someone new. Anyway, I’m enjoying this discussion.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Sep 3, 2008 9:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Olivo is a complainer

and Loyal2theRoyals likes Buck

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Sep 3, 2008 9:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure who is left out there

I realize Olivo looks a bit better this year (and his defense has been better), but if you compare their stats year by year, they are pretty close until this year. Olivo was maybe a bit better at making contact. Buck is better in strike zone judgment. Buck had a power spike last year, Olivo has the spike this year. I think that Olivo’s is exaggerated by getting a disproportionate number of ABs vs. lefties.

Buck is also two years younger. Will he suddenly pull a Kelly Shoppach next year? Probably not. But I think he’ s more likely to than Olivo. I don’t care so much of Olivo’s a bit of a jerk, but I do think his recent comments (no matter about the ‘making up’) mean that he’s not going to be giving the Royals any special discount.

I’ll admit an irrational liking for Buck, but, for next year at least, he’s probably the safer bet than Olivo, and probably not for much more money.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 10:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right

He would have been #3. He looked good when I saw him this year. Kinda big but moves around pretty well.

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by doublestix on Aug 31, 2008 3:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sigh, I wish we had more than 3 top prospects

I liked the pitcher line-up
This is a positional weakness in the system right now. Can Teabag catch?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Aug 31, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

like we said in the other thread...

Catching is a weakness is A LOT of systems. Very few organizations have more than one legitimate catching prospects, and a lot don’t even have ONE good catching prospect.

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by doublestix on Aug 31, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jones has thrown a couple basestealers out so far so he must have a decent arm.

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Aug 31, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is appropriate for only 3 catchers to be named

Does anyone know much about Bonilla. He is only 20 years old with AZL and hit .357. Only know him from his statistical line.

Looking forward to following McCauley and Perez at Burlington next year. Would like to see if KC continue to use Josh Vittek as a catcher. His presence at Burlington could allow him to DH, play 1B and catch so either McCauley or Perez could DH.

Finally, is there any chance that a guy like Kyle Martin could be switched to catch? He has put up great numbers hitting but is a utility fielder. Since he was a college SS, he must have an ok arm. Some of the best catchers are players who switched positions in the minors.

by daveyork on Aug 31, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 3's numbers

projected to the majors using the Minor League Equivalency calculator

All batting lines based on 2008 numbers. I used Burlington for all 3 players…closest approximation possible.

Sean McCauley – .200/.244/.265
Salvador Perez – .244/.282/.317
Travis Jones – .131/.205/.131

Obviously…playing at the level they are currently playing…none of them SHOULD be ready to play in KC next year. Based on the numbers above, Perez (offensively at least) would have a shot at getting it done in the pros. Of course, this is going off of less than 100 at bats at a very low level of ball.

by stlfan on Sep 2, 2008 5:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 3 guys listed are at least 3 years away even on the fast track

They need the time to develop and GMDM’s attitude about working players a level at a time is a big part of it. Like the potential but they have lots of growing to do.

by daveyork on Sep 2, 2008 6:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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