Game 116 Open Thread - Twins (63-51) at Royals (53-62)
by Will McDonald on Aug 8, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
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Minnesota Twins at Kansas City Royals, Aug 8, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
Hiram Kyle Davies makes his 69th career start tonight, and his 24th as a Royal. Proudly sporting a league average --right on the dot actually, his ERA of 4.41 is exactly league average -- for the first time in his career, Davies is enjoying a brief resurgence after a serious rough patch that itself was a correction after a fluky start.
via www.hiram.edu
Davies in 2008:
-First four starts: 1.46 ERA
-Starts five through eight: 9.35 ERA
-Starts nine through twelve: 3.80 ERA
The thing is, if you look at his peripherals, he doesn't look much different than last season, when he posted a satanic 6.66 ERA with the Royals. In some areas, they're actually worse:
| 2007 | 2008 | |
| K/9 | 7.20 | 4.55 |
| K/BB | 1.54 | 1.33 |
| BAA | .304 | .298 |
| HR/9 | 1.80 | 1.14 |
Despite being something that true aficionados of the game are supposed to scoff at as rally-killers and inelegant displays of national innocence destroying brutishness, home runs have this really annoying linkage to runs. If you watch the game long enough you'll begin to notice something strange: every time a guy hits a homer, a run scores. It's like, uncanny or something. Sure, they may not terrify the pitcher quite like having a fast guy on the basepaths -- distractions! -- but they are pretty dern bad.
In his 2007 stint as a Royal, Davies gave up 10 homers in just fifty innings pitched. He's been a tick better this year at avoiding HRs, and along with his strange Bannifification, he's seen his ERA go down.
Oh, the Twins counter with Kevin Slowey.
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We need to hammer Slowey
I hate the smoke and mirrors pitchers the Twins always throw out there.
If by smoke and mirror you mean consistently in the strikezone
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
I mean without great stuff or velocity....
they just somehow get it done.
For the record, Davies ERA is the product of smoke and mirrors as well
Perhaps “house of cards” is the better metaphor for it.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
5 of his 8 HRs allowed have been solo shots
2 have been 2-run and one was 3-run
this may be a tick lucky as well, i can’t remember what the average is
by Will McDonald on Aug 8, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the poster child for BABIP luck
xBABIP .357
actual BABIP .314
Unless he starts missing bats more often, the bill is going to come due for Davies.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
But BABIP is a smoke-and-mirrors stat!!!!111
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say 'house of cards' is more appropriate...
smoke and mirrors has a track record of working.
mentioned this last time i an obscure game thread...
but my future father in law actually went to Hiram and played baseball there
sadly, we have not discussed the davies connection
too soon
Your father-in-law looks really young, at least in that pic
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Davies
If Davies qualified among AL starters, he would rank 3rd to last in the AL in line drive rate (23.7% LD%), 6th worst in groundball rate (36.5% GB%), tied for 4th worst in srikeout to walk ratio (1.33 K/BB), 8th worst in strikeout rate (4.55 K/9), 11th worst in walk rate (3.41 BB/9), and 7th worst in FIP (4.83).
If Davies is still in the rotation come next opening day, something went wrong during the offseason.
Did I just see a Royal in a Brett Favre jersey?
I had my headphones on and I didn’t hear if it was Guillen or German
Lineups
Aviles (SS)
Teahen (RF)
DeJesus (CF)
Guillen (LF)
Butler (DH)
Gordon (3B)
Olivo©
Gload (1B)
German (2B)
Span (RF)
Punto
Mauer©
Morneau
Kubel
Young (LF)
Harris (3B)
Everett (SS)
Gomez (CF)
Didn't realize Olivo was a copyrighted name
Nice to see DJ back. And Hoagie in the field. Although I wonder how badly any boos from the fans will hurt his feelings,
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
Olivo and Mauer are the sole property of Major League Baseball
and may not be reused, reproduced, or retransmitted in any form without express written consent.
I know fair use and all
but how is it fair that the Twins get to use Mauer and the Royals only get to use Olivo?
I prefer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfxvHVtMQ_w
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
Split
Says Davies has a 3.41 ERA in innings 1-3, 5.59 in innings 4-6
I think Hiram has a future in the pen.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
Don't forget
He’s also a darn good AAA pitcher.
+1.
I think he could be a pretty good long man out of the pen. He could unleash his stuff more, most likely creating more K’s, and his lack of general control wouldn’t be as big of an issue.
Horam and Tejada
Are evidence that crappy starters can become decent relievers.
At least for a short time.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
Cubbies beat the redturds today...
That puts STL 7 games out now…Hopefully Mil, Fl, or even the Mets take the wildcard.
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Aug 8, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
Nope
Nor the ceremonial “beating of the political dissident”
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
The Re-Enactment Of
Tiananmen Square was thrilling; why did that guy get run over by a tank?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 8, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good first inning...perfect game intact.
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Aug 8, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions
Apropos nada...
When are the Royals going to go to the directly-behind-the-pitcher camera angle from the outfield? it’s so much better than the off-center angle. you can see the pitches SO much clearer. balls and strikes are more obvious, the movement shows up better…
I see the batting order makes sense
Is Hillman here or not?
I like that Gordon, who has the best OBP on the team against righties (.381, yes, that’s even better than DDJ), is batting after two guys who have sub-.270 OBPs against righties this season.
Daveball?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
2008 pre-game OBP of tonight's starters vs. righties
A Gordon .381
D DeJesus .379
M Olivo .346
R Gload .337
M Teahen .326
M Aviles .311
E German .293
B. Butler .292
J Guillen .266
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
srsly?
.872 OPS vs. righties this year
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
davies is doing a good job racking up an epic pitch count
winning records follow good bullpens
he's the master at the epic pitch count...
there is none better.
where tpj happens.
by blue bandwagon on Aug 8, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
lol @ walking adam everett, one of the worst hitters in baseball
genius
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Setting up the DP with Gomez!
(Who’s only real skill is speed)
Super-genius
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course he gets the strike out
46 pitches through 2 innings baby
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He's just TOYING with the Twins
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did that come from?
And why wait ‘til the bases are loaded?
Hiram actually looked like a pitcher there.
Because every other batter he completely loses control of all his pitches
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Jose with the plate patience
He knows he’s being called out!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
Spoke too soon
still… three balls before the obligatory ground out. Progress for a young player. If he was 32 or something, I’d be worried.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i say a little prayer each night...
that in 2010, jose guillen is our fifth most dangerous hitter.
i'm just not sure what that means.According to OPS, he's currently side with Grudz for 5th
And that’s not counting Tupman and Greinke!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This is brutal
I predict single, walk, single, home run from mauer or morneau
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Nick Punto freakin' sucks
Throwing him one down the middle is better than putting 2 on with no out for Mauer / Morneau, jesus christ
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Kyle Davies WHIP must be about 2.5.
Why his ERA isn’t higher is amazing.
Boom
Shocking
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This game plan, I don't understand it
You can only throw so many fastballs on the outer half until they just start whacking them the other way. Wait a minute
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Not good mike, not good
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??? for us Gameday folks
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
On a 3-0 count...
Young swung at a pitch that was well out of the stirke zone so Ryan said that “for any other hitter othen than Delmon Young in the major leagues that would have been ball four.”
brutal, just get Davies out before the deficit is too large
winning records follow good bullpens
Clogging the bases = sound strategy against the "old school" twins
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, if it was Ramon Ramirez, we'd all be THRILLED to get 2 1/3
you need to step back and
be consistentOMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Peralta?
I know we don’t have a lot of options, but hasn’t Joel been voted most likely to give up a home run when he inherits runners?
Good point
but it is Brendan Harris. It’s the quite movable stone versus the very stoppable object.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Something like that
Although your movable object held up just fine.
LOL
I’m not sure which was which. Who won? Harris gets on base, but Joel doesn’t give up the homer…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the bases were loaded.
So I overstated.
We can call it a draw for now…
Walking Delmon Young
many have tried…
“and failed?”
“and DIED!”
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
I love our pitching staff
The twins lineup SUCKS. Mauer is good, Morneau is good, Kubel is good, everybody for the most part SUCKS. YOU CAN THROW THESE GUYS STRIKES
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Peralta is still waiting for the "throw strike" sign from the dugout
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 8, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
he was sharp last time out
winning records follow good bullpens
ya against the sox i believe
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We're Nearing The
End of the HKD starting pitcher experiment. I think he has closer potential.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
Problem is
he’s not doing much worse (any?) than Banny or Hoch. Someone has to pitch. Right now, I don’t trust any of the three to be a long term option; only Hoch can reasonably be expected to improve a great deal from where he’s at.
Rosa Now!!!!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 8, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
At least we can rely on Gomez to get himself out.
Now, if only he batted every inning…
he just might at this pace
where tpj happens.
by blue bandwagon on Aug 8, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
One Out Of
Nine ain’t bad.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 8, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody's Gotta Do
It.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 8, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He's A HOF
Lock if he only pitched to us.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 8, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
german thought he was going to get the strike zone of albert pujols there . . .
alas, he sucks and gets/deserves no respect.
Avilanche needs to bsut out of this slump
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single'em to death
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Thank You
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 8, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
thank god we have mr. clutch to the dish
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GOod job mark, just a great job
Thank god we have such a pro in the 3 hole
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this game is crucial if we want to win the AL Central...
where tpj happens.
by blue bandwagon on Aug 8, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
not crazy on a royals win 20 games in a row level
royals getting a 20-game win streak is equivalent to the parting of the red sea.
to steal from the cubs...
it’s gonna happen. we’re too damn good.
where tpj happens.
by blue bandwagon on Aug 8, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We caught a pop-up!!!!
The winds of change are blowing…
his great season has really hit hte skids
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I'd take a little fly as long as it touches down in the gap
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Another incredibly weak inning
Past 3 games this offense has just looked horrible
winning records follow good bullpens
but the previous 2 games
were arguably the best in their history…
Has anyone mention that Kila Monster did it AGAIN
5 in 9 games
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
I agree, good game Peralta, throw in Tejada
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I'm being more entertained by the Olympics than gameday
That’s an indictment of the Royal’s (Davies) performance tonight.
Well done Russ
Brutal game for the O
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How many fastballs right down the pipe have we turned into outs today
SLowey isn’t exactly making million dollar pitches here.
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Kila just walked for the second time
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autooooomatic
winning records follow good bullpens
TIE IT UP HOAGY U CAN DEW IT
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Can't we scratch most of the lineup
and have
DeJesus
Aviles
DeJesus
Aviles
DeJesus
Aviles
DeJesus
Aviles
DeJesus
instead?
alex vs a lefty
how can this not end well
winning records follow good bullpens
Why does every other team understand the concept of a LOOGY
except for the Royals?
Although if Gordon can get on
We know what Olivo thinks about Lefties
Good point, lean into one alex
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Dancing in my head
are visions of Olivo prancing away from home after pinch-hitting a home run in the 9th.
and the pitch . . .
and with a mighty swing of his lumber, alex gordon bears a new legend – the worthless pop fly choke job.
piece of shit down the middle popped up
well done sir
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Other than the 7 WALKS
we’d be winning this game.
That and if Teahen and Gordon hadn't combined to leave 6 on base
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I'm still pissed at Gload for that DP
and for being on the 40 man roster.
8 pitch inning?
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Kila Monster
.394 BA .487 OBP .848 SLG KILANOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
I'm watching Ian Kennedy pitch for the Yankees
Sweet mother of unimpressive. This is the guy they wouldn’t trade for Santana? WTF.
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Why god,why must teahen bat
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Pinch hit buck plz
winning records follow good bullpens
BASE HIT ONE TIME BABY
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I'd take one of those pop fly dobules
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no - it was even more painful in reality
silver-mother-fucking-platter – on a tee – right down the middle
by royalstern05 on Aug 8, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
it doesn't even make sense, 3-2 count, you need to be swinging at anything close
bench his sorry ass, or better yet, AAA
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right down the fucking middle
are you kidding me
winning records follow good bullpens
right down the middle
you’ve got to be fucking kidding me.
teahen is TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is mark teahen batting 2nd
why god
why
just why
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teahen just proved that he's got no heart - he was hoping to get a ball
i can’t tolerate cowards – teahen is a coward
not a coward...
...just a below-average MLer. he guessed wrong and he’s been awful this year, but i’m not sure that makes him a coward.
by billexgordler on Aug 8, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
in that situation - you either go down swinging or you turn in your uniform
by royalstern05 on Aug 8, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to go with he sucks
but not necessarily a coward
92 k's in the beginning of august . . . .
and less than 10 homers and lower than .245 avg – in other words – he FUCKING SUCKS!!!
by royalstern05 on Aug 8, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
No he doesn't he's much better than Mitch Maier
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
is a bloop and a blast really too much to ask for
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brootal game
9 hits
1 run
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