What? Why?

He was ranked as the White Sox fastest baserunner and best OF defense in the Sox operation. I am still disappointed to see HoRam go. I thought he did a good job for us and would continue to do a good job. Does this make Gathright a fill in until some of those guys are ready or expendible?

AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS
.262 112 451 73 118 15 12 9 42 184 22 97 28 9 .308 .408 .716

but ho-ram was not a favorite

He is the definition of a dime-a-dozen reliever, and he has just as much chance of being crappy again next year as continuing this random stretch of decent pitching.

But the guy we got back is no great shakes. I mean, I certainly don’t expect a good prospect for a reliever like Ho-Ram, but a no-hit, good defense fast 22 year old in High-A isn’t exactly anything to get excited about. Like, at all. Plus, we already have like a billion of those guys.

So the deal is just whatever…

HoRam was doing a decent job and you trade him for a guy who is worse than what you already have at A+. Does GMDM realize the goal is to make the ML playoffs not strengthen your A+ roster for their playoff run. This guy is a long shot to make it to the bigs. He’s already 23 and still in A+ lacks plate discipline 22k’s to 97 Bb’s and doesn’t hit for much power either. This is a worse trade than the Gathright deal. I know HoRam isn’t a world beater but he is a ML player and a decent bullpen/6th starter option.

Jose Contreras ruptured his achilles tonight. Do they make HoRam a starter?

What’s the reprecussions of the new OF in high A? Robinson? Ortiz? Who moves where? Or does he play a few games and move up to AA? I don’t think you’d trade for a 22 year old without thinking he’d be ready to move up soon….

This line makes no sense does anyone realize that Wilmington is trying to break the record for most SB in a season already. I don’t think speed is a problem.

Robinson and Dyson.

Jarrod Dyson went to the Joey Gathright school of hitting, producing a .251/.332/.275 line with 37 steals

H.Ramirez is/was a scrap heap acquisition who performed at a competent level as a front-to-middle of the bullpen guy. He’s just a 1 2/3 month rental of a very minor piece. So, while it would have been great to get great plate discipline, power hitting OF prospect for him, that’s not quite realistic. I’d love to trade TPJ for Evan Longoria too.

It’s hard to see why Moore bothered to make a move like this. Apparently he sees Orlando as a possible future 4th OF?

is there anyway to put a Hosmer/Melville countdown clock post up?

Ho-Ram was pitching really well for us. His WHIP was only 0.90, and he had 11:1 K/BB.

And we traded him for another Joey Gathright it seems.

Neither Mahay nor Grudz would have netted us anything at the deadline, and apparently neither did Horacio Ramirez. This looks like a career Minor Leaguer at best. A Chip Ambres, or poor man’s Joey Gathright. I like the propensity of trading Jose Guillen for 3 prospects, including one A prospect. However, these trades make zero sense and neither help us in the short term or long term.

Horacio Ramirez will have contributed more (VORP-wise) the remainder of this year than this Minor League project ever will.

Pitching is the currency of baseball…...sigh

.....but we still need to evaluate trades on a case-by-case basis. The ‘currency’ that Moore has used has not netted us much of value in return, offensively. Sisco for Gload? Buckner for Callaspo? Cordier for Pena? All poor moves at best, and all made for slappy bench players.

The same people who were bashing Moore for picking up HoRam, are the some of the same who are up in arms about trading him. How can anyone say this is a bad move right now? It is not possible to know. Does anyone know that HoRam will continue to pitch this way? No. Does anyone know that this minor leaguer we got won’t be good? No. It is a day after the trade, there is no way to evaluate it yet. Next year, if HoRam is the next Johan Santana then maybe we can start getting upset about it, but right now it’s pretty rediculous.

Up on Google:
“Orlando was hitting .264 with 15 doubles, 12 triples, nine home runs, 42 RBI, 73 runs and 28 stolen bases in 37 attempts with Class A Winston-Salem in the Carolina League. The Royals assigned the 22-year-old to Class A Wilmington. Orlando, from Brazil, has stolen 77 bases in 2 1/2 seasons in the White Sox organization. He may be a keeper prospect at some point, but not yet. Avoid him in Fantasy. ”
(Updated 08/09/2008).

If Gator ever approached those numbers on any level he’d be a valuable commodity. Orlie is listed as 6’3”, 165; he could fill out another 20 pounds easily. He doesn’t sound like Gathright 2.0 to me.

31% XBH

That isn’t “no power”. Or a “Gathright clone”.

The guy has upside. Whether he reaches his ceiling or not? Who knows…probably not. But we have no idea. I think it’s a good idea to trade freakin Horacio Ramirez for a guy with tools and upside while he still has value.

We flip Ho-Ram for something of value before he turns back into a pumpkin. Orlando is no great shakes, but you’re not going to get anything that great for a guy that was outright released in spring training.

Orlando is NOT Joey Gathright redux. This guy has a modicum of power. He can’t draw walks, but to dismiss him for that is to focus too much on his weaknesses without looking at his strength. He can steal bases and at least hit for respectable power. That’s what you want out of a fourth outfielder. I don’t think he has a great chance of reaching the big leagues, but he’s the kinda upside guy you acquire. The old regime woulda signed HoRam to a 2 year deal, then watched as he imploded into his old non-strikeout, hittable self. At least Dayton had the wisdom to sell HoRam while his value was high.

Not a major move, but an encouraging one. It’ll probably amount to nothing, but it at least has the potential to be a great steal, one we look back and say “what were the White Sox thinking?”

for HoRam.

And we got some for a guy that didn’t have a job a couple months ago. I like it.