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Okay I'm not for trading Grienke at all. However, if no new deal is worked out and doesn't appear that it will I would rather get all we can out of him. The Rangers make no secret of their interest in Zack. My question...what kind of a haul do you guys think we could get?

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If we are looking to trade Greinke for prospects...

I would start with Elvis Andrus and Chris Davis. Andrus is a speedy, contact-hitting SS who is already in AA ball at only 19 with decent defensive range. Davis is a power-hitting third baseman whom we could play at either third or first base (the Rangers have been playing him at first, with Blalock at third). Sickels had those two 3rd and 4th in the Rangers’ farm system going into this year, with B+ grades. Davis is MLB-ready, but Andrus won’t be until at least 2010.

Davis would be higher on my list than Andrus, simply because if need be, we could get by with with Aviles and Callaspo next year in the middle infield positions and be fine, but we still have a gaping hole at 1b/dh, where Billy Butler is our only true offensive threat. Davis would solve that in a heartbeat.

I know Taylor Teagarden is arguably the best prospect in the Rangers system, and I know a lot of people here at RR would like to see the Royals upgrade at catcher, but I have my doubts about him—his stock has fallen significantly this year and he has reportedly had some issues with staying healthy. If we are interested in bagging a catcher, Max Ramirez is coming off of a monster year for the Rangers’ AA club. He could likely benefit from another few months in the minors, which could buy us time next year in determining whether or not John Buck should remain as our #1 catcher for the long-term. Ramirez’s defense is light-years behind Buck’s, though.

Given the hauls that guys like Dan Haren have fetched lately, I would expect at least two elite prospects plus a low-level throw-in, or one elite prospect plus two decent prospects. Greinke still has the upside necessary to become a staff ace, he has two more years of being under club control (during which time he is extremely affordable), and his physical health has remained excellent.

If the Rangers were to offer me Davis, Ramirez, and a mid-level throw-in for Greinke, I’d probably go for it, assuming that we could not sign Zack to an extension.

by DarthYoshi on Sep 12, 2008 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the idea of Grienke for

Andrus, Davis, and MaxRam. I saw Andrus and MaxRam play at Springfield this year and both looked good. Andrus might project into a strong leadoff hitter with his great speed. He also has great D and for only 19, could be a superstar in the making. That would give us an IF of Hosmer/Kila, Aviles, Andrus, and Gordon/Moustakas in the year 2011 or 2012. Andrus isa lot like Reyes in NYM. The Rangers are desperate for pitching in that ball park and could give us 3 good MLB players. I wouldn’t mind getting Davis either. I’d rather see Kila get a chance without Shealy there to hold him back. But a combination of any of those three. And maybe a projected reliever or something in the pitching end of things.

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by 306008 on Sep 13, 2008 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be a fairly steep price

Three of the Rangers’ top ten prospects (some would argue that MaxRam belongs in the top five). I would certainly trade Greinke for those three players, but I am not sure the Rangers would. Granted, their farm system is fairly deep, but that is a pretty high ransom that I am not convinced they’d agree to.

I’d also try to trade Greinke for as much hitting as possible—I’m hoping we can bank on replacing him in the rotation at least somewhat when Rosa and Cortes become ready. (As an aside, if we were to trade Greinke, then I think it is almost imperative that we at least try Soria in the rotation.)

by DarthYoshi on Sep 13, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was on

lonestar ball today and they had a rumor up that the Yankees are coming after Greinke in the offseason. I don’t know if this is purely speculative or not. I for one don’t think Greinke will sign an extension to stay with the Royals.

by gordonrules on Sep 12, 2008 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, what would the Yankee offer?

Hughes looks good, but hasn’t proven anything yet, and he’s hurt all the time. Zack is much more valuable, not to mention to injury history. The Yanks have no impact positions players in the high minors. Austin Jackson looks like a DDJ-type player. That’s a good thing, but you don’t trade a healthy young ace for that. I dunno, maybe Hughes, A-JAx, and they throw in $20 million?

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 13, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

we need a franchise guy and he’s basically the closest to it.

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by wildthang on Sep 13, 2008 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

As long as he's willing to sign a long-term deal

He may want to get the bigger money on the FA market. I’m all for signing him. But if he’s not very interested in it, then the Royals really have to trade him.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 13, 2008 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

what does Fausto Carmona's

contract look like? I remember after Fausto signed it he said something along the lines of he just took alot less money than he would have been able to get.

by gordonrules on Sep 13, 2008 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

$0.75M signing bonus
08:$0.5M, 09:$2.75M, 10:$4.9M, 11:$6.1M, 12:$7M club option, 13:$9M club option, 14:$12M club option

That contract significantly influenced my proposal for a long-term Greinke contract:

4 years, $32M (plus 3 options years which could make it 7 years, $73M)

2009 $4.5M
2010 $6.5M
2011 $10M
2012 $11M
2013 $12M club option
2014 $14M club option
2015 $15M club option

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 13, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think that is enough money

your 09 and 10 numbers are really only a couple mil raise for the controlled years, so in theory, 11-15 total money should be roughly market value minus that couple mil minus some risk factor. market value for a young front end starter starting 2011 is probably more than ~12 per year, especially when 3 of the 5 years are club options. i would add about 2 mil on each year of that putting it at max value 7 years, 87M

still worth it for the royals, if we are going to spend money on something, a home grown elite SP seems like a good choice.

by ZeppelinDZ on Sep 13, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The discount from FA market value represents the security of a long-term guaranteed contract

All of the long-term contracts you see young players signing do not have them getting full FA market value in the FA years of their contracts (see Soria’s contract for one). When a young player is signed to a long-term contract, they sacrifice some potential FA money for the security of multiple years of guaranteed money. At the same time, the team is taking on the risk that the player will underperform or go down with injury.

So I think this contract is realistic. Now, it might take some tweaking, as in making 2013 a guaranteed year or turning the 2015 into a player option. And or course Greinke, unlike many other young players of late, may prefer to risk it and wait to see what the FA market holds and isn’t interested in a long-term deal. But the above deal is fair and represents the market for this type of contract. Just look at Carmona’s contract.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 13, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

make sure we have a good insurance policy on it.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Sep 13, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is that from everything I've read, it is almost impossible to get insurance on a contract longer than 3 years

So insurance doesn’t limit a team’s risk much, particularly for a contract like this. That is why they often have these team options years at the end.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 13, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was 4 years

I don’t remember. It was a long time ago when the Mets were in the process of signing Pedro. I think that’s why I remember holding my breath when Meche got a 5th year. But you probably know better than I.

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 13, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read 3 years was the insurance max a few years ago

But these aren’t hard and fast rules. Nothing is carved in stone. To some extent, it is up to individual insurers. It might be that some are willing to insure a 4th year for some players. I think that is less likely for pitchers. I think that is even less likely for a pitcher who missed most of a season with mental problems.

On a more immediate note, it recently came out that the fourth year of Billy Wagner’s contract was not covered by insurance, so the Mets are on the hook for the whole thing.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 13, 2008 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN

Too bad the Mets snatched up Minaya before KC had a chance.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on Sep 14, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to turn Greinke into some prospects but

I wouldn’t do it until one of two things happens
1) Sign a replacement FA
2) Tryout Soria in the rotation

Starters are worth so much that I wouldn’t make the move until you have at least a average replacement. Cortes projects to be a high talent but I don’t trust his control issues and Rosa has injury issues they can’t really be counted on as replacements. KC needs hitting but Greinke could improve his trade status in ’09 and traded at the deadline for more than what Texas could be willing to give up now. I think a 3 prospect trade for Zack right now is a pipedream

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by kcscoliny on Sep 13, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Another team looking for starting pitching is

the Braves. I don’t know if they have much to trade but we all know the natural trade partner they make for GMDM.

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by kcscoliny on Sep 13, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Eric Cordier and Jeff Francouer!!111

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 13, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a article on

Trade rumors about the Rockies looking for an ace. They have alot of interesting prospects. If we could somehow get Dexter Fowler…..wow. I am not saying we could get him but the kid is awesome..

by gordonrules on Sep 13, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

ya

Fowler is amazing. He’d be a must get if we traded Zack to teh Rockies.

Still, I don’t think they exactly have the big league ready talent we’d want. Most of their good prospects are a couple years away.

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by doublestix on Sep 13, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, good AA prospects aren't enough

Any Greinke trade has to have at least one good young MLB-ready player with star potential who is under team control for several years.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 13, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

They don't even have the prospects in AA aside from Fowler

Most of their good ones are even lower than that. I think anyways.

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by doublestix on Sep 14, 2008 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Todd Helton, the last 34 years of his contract, and

of course, the fork sticking out of his bat

Oh, yeah

!!!!!!!!111111

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 14, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was that Duffman?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 14, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Laughing at myself

just realized I typed “fork sticking out of his bat” when I meant to type “…back.” I think I like it better with the typo, though. Funny-ass image.

Thank you, good night.

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 14, 2008 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

what about

Fowler and Morales for Greinke? Any taker? Greg Reynolds is another prospect that I would be interested in.

by gordonrules on Sep 14, 2008 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

eh

Morales is pretty awful. He makes JDLR look like a pitcher with good control. His upside is undeniable but he’s got MILES to go before he reaches it, and the chances he ever does are extremely slim.

Quite frankly unless the Rockies want to just sell us the farm, I don’t see it as a good team to trade with. Sure, if they want to give us Fowler, Morales, Chris Nelson, and maybe another, sure. But honestly, I’m just not seeing it.

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by doublestix on Sep 14, 2008 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can trade Grienke for their AA affiliate

including all players. Then we’d have two AA teams with AA players.

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by 306008 on Sep 14, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

That'd work. :-)

I’ll just take their players.

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by doublestix on Sep 14, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Nelson

played for the Drillers this year. He was truly awful. I believe he even got sent down for a time.

by gordonrules on Sep 14, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I saw that the other day

He had an awesome year last year. I think he was injured at one point.

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by doublestix on Sep 14, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds awful to me

A very good AA prospect (never played higher than that level) and a pitching prospect with good stuff and amazingly bad control (almost 7 walks per 9 nine innings in AAA). That would be a horrendous trade for the Royals. It would be like giving him away. The Royals can get one good young MLB player or MLB-ready prospect and another good prospect for Greinke. Anything less would be criminal.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 14, 2008 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

need four players minimum.

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by 306008 on Sep 14, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes.

otherwise we’d ask for five.

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by 306008 on Sep 15, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Three genuinely good ones is better

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 15, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

make that six

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by 306008 on Sep 15, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not the Texas GM but

I think that Davis alone for Greinke may be tough. Davis has his right arm tattooed “I’ll hit 40 home runs " , and his left arm is tattooed "in a bad year.” I would keep Zack if he was willing to sign long-term right now, but if not then I think the Royals should get as many good young minor league players as possible. I think Zach would fetch Max Ramirez, Joaquin Arias, Engel Beltre and a Michael Main or someone close. That’s a deal I would do on either side.

by Hearditbefore on Sep 14, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Pass
I think Zach would fetch Max Ramirez, Joaquin Arias, Engel Beltre and a Michael Main or someone close.

Don’t take this the wrong way, but I think that trade would be laughably bad for the Royals. The Royals can do much better than that, and if they trade him, they would do better than that.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 14, 2008 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

On Ramirez in general

he has a great bat, but isn’t he supposed to be even worse at catcher than Salty?

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 14, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't even know if he'll stick at catcher in the majors

The above trade proposal was a joke. Ramirez as the centerpiece of the trade, followed by a bunch of ok prospects? That guy should be embarrassed.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 14, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry,

But if you don’t know who these guys are, you shouldn’t comment on them. Hint: Ramirez isn’t the centerpiece of the deal.

The G-man has the potential to be everything people have said, but it’s not like
a) he doesn’t have any question marks
b) you are going to keep him for any longer than he has to be with the team – or you are even going to keep him happy in the interim. The Royal’s window of opportunity will be opening at the very end of his tenure .

by Hearditbefore on Sep 15, 2008 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bottom line

His market trade value is much higher than the list of prospects which you are overrating.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 15, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well. that's the nice thing about blogs

Anybody with even a modest amount of insight can write a one-liner.

by Hearditbefore on Sep 16, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good lord

You haven’t impressed anyone with your “insight”. Your trade proposal was an absolute joke. You embarrassed yourself. Just enjoy it; I know I did.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 16, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zack has a legit shot at becoming a staff ace

If the Rangers aren’t prepared to give up a future superstar (like Davis) for another future superstar (Greinke), then we have no business trading with them.

And NYRoyal is right on your trade proposal.

by DarthYoshi on Sep 14, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Davis

people need to stop going batty over this guy. Yep, he’s got legit power. He’s also OBPing .323 in one of the best hitter’s parks in baseball. Will he be good? He’s got a shot. 40 home runs in a bad year? Nope nope nope.

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by NHZ on Sep 15, 2008 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ZG for Michael Young

and Max?

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by 306008 on Sep 14, 2008 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

absolutely not

There are a million skillion reasons why we should not trade Zack for Michael Young…I’ll just mention a few:

-Young turns 32 in a month, so his best years are probably behind him
-Young’s offensive output has dropped steadily and precipitously since 2005. His OPS’s from the 2005-2008 seasons in order are .898, .815, .784, and .735. Notice any pattern?
-Young’s defense is substantially below average for a shortstop, and maybe passable for a third baseman or second baseman. No matter where we stick him, he will likely represent a downgrade in defense compared to the incumbent player (Aviles, Gordon, and Callaspo, respectively).
-And perhaps most importantly, Young has an absolutely awful contract, one that pays him an average of $16 mil per year through 2013.

Trading Greinke for Michael Young and Max Ramirez would make GMDM the laughingstock of the league. Many people say that Young’s contract alone makes him close to un-tradeable, and they are right. I wouldn’t even consider such a deal unless the Rangers are prepared to eat the vast majority of Young’s salary, and even then, I still probably wouldn’t do it.

by DarthYoshi on Sep 14, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biggest reason not to trade for Young

I’m pretty sure RR would shut this place down…

Michael Young is a guy people talk bout being underrated, but I’d say he’s actually more overrated than Jeter (but not as much as Eckstein). Both suck on defense (Jeter probably worse, now that he’s aging), except Jeter has legitmately been an elite hitter who shouid have been AL MVP in 1999 and 2006. Young’s hitting looks even worse if you look at the park adjustments for Coors SouthWest — after a great 2005 (131 OPS+) that established his reputation, he hasn’t come close again. He had godo 2006 and 2007 for a SS (108 and 107, respectively), but is busting out a big ol’ 93 this year. That nearing the JoGui line.

Sorry, just love the piling on… Let’s finish with a nice graph… of his career:

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 14, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The JoGui line

I find it interesting that Guillen appears to be about to pass the Fukudome line.

Guillen .742 OPS (after today’s game)
Fukudome .742 OPS (as of today, Fukudome not in the lineup…again)

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 14, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised

if neither ended up coming close to justifying their contract. I don’t want to say I told ya so…

I do, actually. I’m an ass. I mentioned that Kosuke was going to have to find some power or he’d lose that pretty .400 OBP because pitchers would start pounding the zone against him. I told ya so. (not you specifically)

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Sep 15, 2008 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, I think it is pretty clear that neither will justify their contract

Thankfully the Royals only have 2 more years of insufficient performance from their player, as opposed to the 3 the Cubs will have to suffer through.

And my I told you so (not to you specifically) is that I predicted his power wouldn’t translate to the majors. Usually a Japanese player’s SLG drops by more than 20%. Fukudome hasn’t shown any power all season. And now he can’t get a hit.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 15, 2008 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

More accurately

It would be surprising if either ended up coming close to justifying their contract.

For the Royals sake, I hope there are plenty more lefties on the remaining schedule. C’mon, Ned, Andre and Matt won’t even be 30 for years, much less 33…

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 15, 2008 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

holy crap

thank you for correcting my own special version of the english language. Gawd.

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by NHZ on Sep 17, 2008 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Young is one of those guys

who was underrated for so long that he’s now overrated.

It’s the Gold Glove principle — you know, how guys deserve the GG for a few years before they actually win it, and by the time they win it they no longer deserve it? Yeeeeeeah.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Sep 15, 2008 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

So it's settled: we all hate the idea of Michael Young in a Royals uniform

Rarely has there been such a consensus on this blog…

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 15, 2008 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

now that you've shown me his stats I agree too.

I’m sorry guys. I was lazy and didn’t look up anything on that. I was hoping for some other suggested trades though. Didn’t get any.

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by 306008 on Sep 15, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, it's fine

I mean, I’ve certainly never said anything embarassing, silly, or wrong, but pretty much everyone else has. It’s all in fun.

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 15, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

OH, and here's as suggestion for Greinke

(assuming he can’t be extended this offseason)

Has this been suggested and shot down already? One of the Saltalamacchia/Teagarden, Davis, Andrus, and maybe one other guy for Greinke?

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 15, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am pretty sure

That the Rangers would justifiably nix any trade for Greinke that involved three of their top five prospects (Teagarden, Davis, and Andrus). ZG isn’t worth that much. I think we could, and should, get two Top 5 prospects for Zack. But three? Probably not.

by DarthYoshi on Sep 15, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I like that trade offer, but it would almost certainly be too much for Texas.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 15, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

There you go

See, 306008, how that works? Make a suggestion, and get it shot down. It doesn’t hurt so bad once you get used to it.

But what if the Royals threw in Shane Costa?

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 15, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be too much for the Royals

You’re just going from one ditch to the other.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 15, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

costa is the bargaining chip of bargaining chips!

For costa, we can do anything. (except get him on the 40 man)

What other teams out there had interest? ZG was rumored to have interest from teams. Who were they?

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by 306008 on Sep 15, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see I see.

I like your trade proposal. But people dont think the Rangers will go for it… what if we asked them? Someone hop on the TX blog and propose the trade!! See what the response is.

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by 306008 on Sep 15, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL...

We already tried the “trade negotiations with the Rangers SN Blog” thing. I remember reading the exchange, then a week later, thinking, “WTF, where we really just undergoing trade negotations with other Rangers bloggers?”

Enjoyable, hilarious, ridiculous.

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 15, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it's good fun.

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by 306008 on Sep 15, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha

really? I don’t follow other baseball blogs for other teams. I didn’t realize that he was universally disliked. I wonder why…

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 15, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I would probably do Greinke for Kinsler and Ramirez. If Ramirez can’t hack it at catcher, then we can have him trade off with Butler at first base…maybe Butler can be MaxRam’s defensive sub.

by DarthYoshi on Sep 14, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

with the caveat....

that Kinsler recovers well from his sports hernia surgery. It isn’t as drastic as, say, TJ surgery is for pitchers, but it is something to keep an eye on.

by DarthYoshi on Sep 14, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, they named a surgery for Tony Pena, Junior?

Does it enable pitchers to save 3 runs a game with their fielding?

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 14, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd only trade him

For Ramon Vazquez’s mustache.

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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 15, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I recently read something

a possible off-season trade of Matt Cain for Prince Fielder. That would be something to consider in a Greinke trade, as it would get us that power-hitting 1B/DH, though I would actually prefer to get prospects because Fielder will be looking for a huge contract extension. I might also open the door for a three-way trade if someone is looking at Fielder rather than Greinke.

by BrRoyal on Sep 15, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

No Greinke trades for Boras clients unless they sign longterm deals prior to or at the time of the trade.

Also the contract has to be as locktight as possible so Boras doesn’t sue for FA afterwards.

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by kcscoliny on Sep 15, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Three-way trade candidates

Best in candidates in bold?

Obviously, San Francisco, as they don’t actually want to give up Cain
NYM — Delgado always looks like he’s going to fall off the cliff. Some year, he won’t recover.
Toronto — Lyle Overbay is serviceable.
Cleveland — Ryan Garko is serviceable.
Seattle — or they could just go with Miguel Cairo (seriously, though, Seattle is always looking to have a big-name guy to generate interest in the off-season.)
Arizona — I know they love Connor Jackson, but the NL West is always up for grabs.

by BrRoyal on Sep 15, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite three-way candidates



This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 15, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wondered how long it would take

I made sure to say “three-way trade,” but I knew it was only a matter of time.

by BrRoyal on Sep 15, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't resist

Didn’t mean for the pics to be so big though.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 15, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what she said.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Sep 15, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will trade for those 3 anyday

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 rec

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Sep 15, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more interested in a good hitting corner OFer

…like Matt Kemp. But definitely not straight up for Greinke.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by Scott McKinney on Sep 15, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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