Game 146 Open Thread - Royals (62-83) at Indians (71-74)
by Freneau on Sep 12, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
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Cliff Lee faces the Royals for the fifth time of the season tonight, lookig to further inflate his stats against the weak underbelly of the American League. As Joe Sheehan pointed out earlier this week, level of competition has played a large role in Lee's success:
Cliff Lee has made 28 starts this season, Roy Halladay 29. Of those, 13 are in-common starts: the A’s, Rays and Rangers twice, and the Angels, White Sox, Reds, Royals, Twins, Yankees and Mariners once. Those starts cancel out. Of the remaining starts, there seems to be a very wide gap in the calilber of competition, enough to at least mention. Of the 15 starts Cliff Lee does not have in common with Halladay, nine have come against teams in the bottom third in offense, as ranked by team EqA, and none have come against a team ranked in the top six.
Looking at it from the other direction, Halladay does not have a single not-in-common start against a team ranked below 18th in EqA. So of the 15 (in Halladay’s case, 16) not in common starts between the two, 60% of Lee’s have come against offenses worse than any of Halladay’s. Halladay also has four not-in-common starts (one against the Cubs, three against the Red Sox) better than any of Lee’s.
Let me run the data this way, because I think it illustrates the point. The following numbers are the team EqA ranks for each not-in-common opponent, highest to lowest.
Halladay: 3, 4, 4, 4, 9, 9, 9, 11, 11, 14, 14, 14, 14, 17, 18, 18
Lee: 7, 7, 7, 12, 13, 13, 21, 22, 22, 25, 26, 27, 28, 28, 28
It helps if you read those numbers right to left. It’s clear from this data that Cliff Lee has seen a significantly inferior set of opponents than Halladay has.
In other news, guess who ole Trey is starting tonight at DH? The nightmare continues...
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Does Guillen playing and Shealy not playing actually constitute a nightmare?
Any chance we are overstating this?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
And him playing more or less in September doesn't alter the nature of that "nightmare"
This reminds me a lot of the unbearably horrible nightmare of Huber and Brazell not getting enough playing time last September. I don’t know if the organization will ever recover from that horror.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, and things like not giving Ryan Shealy 100 September PA's isn't what is holding the organization back
I know we all obsess about this team and that leads to micro-analyzing things and then overreacting about them. But not everything is a big deal.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
your right. But we want our way, dang it.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
And if we don't get it, it's a freakin' nightmare!
I woke up screaming last night because Soria isn’t in the rotation. He’s still in the bullpen. The nightmare continues.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
right, but no one ever said that
or that Huber or Brazell was going to lead to 20-straight wins
the nightmare of auto-pilot/stupid/lazy management DOES appear to be continuing
You man the nightmare of an average, by-the-book manager?
Yes. Is anyone surprised?
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That should have been "You mean the nightmare..."
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Why it sucks
It might not make any difference in terms of player development or the team’s future who plays the rest of the year. But this season is getting long and tedious and I want to watch someone else bat.
I think the bat boy should get at least one at bat per game
Perhaps that would make for a more interesting experience for the fans.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
What is ridiculous is saying that we should have different players in the lineup because you are bored and want to see "someone else bat"
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And I said what I would like to see
…using the same reasoning.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I don't think the Royals should do anything stupid
And that could have very serious downside. What is the very serious downside to Guillen being and DH in this game and Shealy sitting on the bench?
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
just like when in Michigan brought in the towel boy in the infamous Waterboy movie. lol
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understatement of the night
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Tejeda starting second game of doubleheader Saturday
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
at least Billy is at first base.
What I don’t get is the fact that JoGui NEVER Dh’d in August but as soon as Sept rolls around. Coach, I need the DH tonight. Why doesn’t he want the Royals to see the young guys? Shealy needs to DH if Butler is at first against a lefty!!! Ugh.
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I understand you want to see Kila as I do but I'm not big on seeing him against Lee
Who would you rather have DH’in than Guillen who by the way is heating up
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Who do you want to DH then?
I’m cool as long as Butler is at 1b
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Buck who is a .353 career hitter against Lee.
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I wonder wherre he has less value, given his defense?
Funny how he’s always ready to concentrate on his hitting against lefties.
Hey, good. Maybe he’s more tradable. Hopefully, Trey doen’t fall for the number-padding, either.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Sep 12, 2008 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't mind the lineup with the exception of TPJ
this is the lineup I advocated if we were to get rid of Teahen on Gordon’s days off
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baby steps...
at least we got a runner on base that inning
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Sep 12, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions
I predict a 3 for 4 night from TPJ... 3 HR's, and one K for good measure.. and entertainment.
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
if Guillen plays his cards right, he can get to 100 K's tonight
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
game on ESPN right now!
Not sure about everywhere else, but in the SF/Bay Area they’re showing this game due to a Yanks/Rays rain delay. Sweet.
we'll just have to wait one more day to win it all.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
The Miek Aviles regression to suck is officially in full swing
realistically speaking
Wow
even for you
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait nevermind he actually got a hit
nice baserunning
realistically speaking
The Royals base running got Teahen to the plate before the tag
Sending him makes more sense than waiting for another hit from this team.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i was expressing general frustration
realistically speaking
Is that what led to the Aviles comment too?
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Awful call at the plate
Teahen’s foot beat the tag. It wasn’t really that close.
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It's cliff lee, of course he's getting the call
4 hits in 2 innings
1 run
royals baseball
realistically speaking
I saw another angle of the replay which showed that Shoppach never tagged Teahen at all
So, not only did Teahen beat him to the plate, but Shoppach never applied the tag. Home cooking for the CY.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hallady is getting semi-screwed again
finally gets Santana out of the league, then Cliff Freaking Lee has a career year, with a lower FIP and xFIP than Doc the whole time.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Sep 13, 2008 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone send Pena to Hawaii for winter ball as a pitcher
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I picked him up on my fantasy team and he hasn't disappointed
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
I had him as a keeper when he got hurt
The guy ahead of me picked him up on waivers when I was on vacation earlier this year…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Sep 13, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
see - you should never go on vacation during fantasy baseball season
even if it was to Jamaica with you non-girlfriend girlfriend
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
Seriously, another TPJ start?
What is the point of that? TPJ’s already far too numerous PAs this year conclusively show he is simply nowhere near being a competent major league hitter.
Perhaps we should conduct an experiment tomorrow to see if the sun is still rising in the East.
Wait, I have a theory
Some folks in the Royals organization must have money on Lee for the Cy Young, and they figured that handing Cliff three or four free outs tonight could prove important to winning their wagers.
everywhere in America it's raining right now
it sounds like a Was Not Was song title, but it’s apparently true…
there are like 10 rain outs tonight
Probably Not A
Good day for baseball in Houston.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 12, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Meche 5 k's thru 4
he is striking out a ton now
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
I wish he could pitch a complete season the way he has pitched since May
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
TPJ is playing on national TV?
doom and destruction for any FA signing.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
The Game Is
In ESPN2; an embarrassment of riches. I have Royals on ESPN, too.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 12, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
it's raining in Omaha
and in Kirksville – Truman postponed almost all of their sporting events for today and tomorrow. Still don’t know about the football game.
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
should someone stick a fork in Gil to see if he is done?
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
ouch - Trey, give him some relief
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
Even I could tell he was done after the first double.
Good lord.
realistically speaking
Brain explode.
Hillman does not want to win.
realistically speaking
wow - air mail by Teabag
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
guaranteed, baby!
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
wow - only now is there stirring in the bullpen
Trey obviously hoping Gil could get himself out of trouble
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
God this is depressing to watch
Now KU is flexing their muscles so I suppose that’ll be a blowout too
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
big pride
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
as wide as the River Kaw
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
Split putting a good spin on it
good strikeout game for Gil…
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
Teahen shows off his 4 corner studness
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Grothe in his 3rd year at South Florida and
still can’t pass
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
he has one more year
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
David struck out looking
and then spit on himself – oh, it has been a long season
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
Split talking about 7 or 8 player turnover
God that would be nice
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Hey Hey #19
Sonic Slam congrats Dave $1000
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Jose is da man!
not to nitpick too much, but it would have been nice if he did that when we had runners on base, but don’t want to complain (too much)
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
he is the keystone to the team next year!!!
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
Only If Moore
Can trade him.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 12, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
man baseball is a great sport
Coco Crisp is gonna make 8M next year.
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His Name Is
Worth at least half of that.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 12, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Cross-promotion marketing
make it happen, Dayton
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Sep 13, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I was never a fan of the signing
but when a guy is trying to revitalize his career you take the chance. Now get him out of there and let Lowry eat his innings.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Sep 13, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Its hard to beat a Cy Young pitcher when the combined ERA of your first 3 pitchers is
over 16
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Anyone know why Buck is on the bench tonight?
He is a .353 career hitter against CLee.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
He's A Baby?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 12, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And can we get rid of Peralta, please?
maybe we can package peralta and kip for a FA college signing who is hitting less than TPJ in rookie ball.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
Fulchino Time; Somewhere,
Jose Lima weeps.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
I Was Exulting
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 12, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
At least Kila is in the game get him an ab before tomorrows DH
He better play at least one of the games tomorrow
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Who Was The
Last Royal before Hoagie to hit 20?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
seems kind of cruel to have Kila bat against the Cy Young award winner
and a lefty at that
But he comes thru!
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
Maybe playing Guillen does serve a purpose
Perhaps playing him full-time in September gives him the opportunity to get his stats up and more attractive for a possible offseason trade. Getting him over 20 HR’s and getting his OPS up around .750 might help Moore move him. Now Moore might not be interested in moving him, but if he’ll be listening to offers at all, increasing his counting stats helps.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
As I said above
I agree, but I hope it doesn’t convince Moore that JoGui’s worth keeping around.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Sep 13, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope it doesn't work that way either
We really have no idea how Moore feels about Guillen. He may want him gone and wisely doesn’t let any of that show publicly. Or he might expect a big bounce back from him next year. Regardless, if he wants to trade him, I don’t think Guillen can do anything in September to change that.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Sep 13, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoops, looks like KU choked away this one
South Florida 37
Kansas 34
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2008 11:55 PM EDT reply actions
Uh oh... Cue Joel Appearance
I wonder if Gload poured beer all over himself int he locker room and taunted, um, Alex, maybe?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Sep 12, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would Alex care he went to Nebraska
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Closest thing Gload could find to a Jayhawk
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Sep 13, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably got them mixed up with Florida International when making the schedule
No way KU scheduled a ranked non-conference opponent on purpose.
I hope Mangino threw a fit a the game so that he gets banned, like he was from his kid’s football games.
Another class act.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Sep 13, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
They already played Florida International
Great game
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