The Joe Posnanski Drinking Game
Everyone loves Joe Posnanski. OK, I'm not sure about that. But everyone should love Joe Posnanski. I won't go into all the things that are great about Posnanski's columns, blogs, and books. That's been done.* Since I started working on this (yes, I realize how pathetic that is), his blog has even been scooped up by Sports Illustrated. In short, I can easily give to JoPo the highest compliment one can pay a sportswriter: he greatly enhances how I experience following the Royals. There can be no greater tribute to such a writer than that time-tested staple of internet-writing hackery: the drinking game.**
*I've made my feelings about Rany known elsewhere. Rany's great. But, really, Rany, David Freaking Glass? Wow, so he opens the coffers for a couple free agents and drafts (and I'll give it up to the man on that), and suddenly he's on a list with Zack Greinke and Joe "the George Brett of Sportswriters" Posnanski? You should be on that list before Glass. Heck, even Negative Nelly Neyer should be on there before the Wal-Mart billionaire. Just because Glass is now sort of doing what an owner should do (and we'll see if this lasts) he makes it on the list? I understand that Dayton Moore doesn't have much of a farm system to work with here. Allard Baird was a really bad GM who made many poor decisions that put the Royals in this situation, but at least half the blame for that has to go to Glass, who forced Baird's hand on stupid trades and cheap draft signings, who is a billionaire complaining about being in a "small-market" while still making a nice net gain off of baseball's profit-sharing system. That David Glass? I dunno. You and I might, perhaps, define reasons for hope differently. As far as I can tell, the best thing that can be said about David Glass at this point is that he isn't Jeffrey Loria.
**Just for the record, I did start working this long before the posting of the hilarious Ryan Lefebvre Drinking Game. The intent here is obviously a little different than that one -- this is a tribute to Posnanski more than anything else.
I realize that starting with this sort of compliment takes the edge of the "game" a bit. Still, although I don't think Poz*** is as thin-skinned as certain other sportswriters, he does strike me as a bit sensitive, and the last thing I would want is (on the off chance that any of this gets back to him) for JoPo to think this is anything but an affectionate tribute -- don't change a thing, Joe. We like you, we really, really like you.
***How many nicknames does this guy have? What is the real one? Is it JoPo? Poz? Do we need to vote on this?
I've kept this pretty simple and realistic for your gaming pleasure. I'm sticking with basic levels of drinking: 1 drink, keep drinking, 2 drinks, finish your drink, stuff like that. No silly "gulp down a whole bottle of Jack Daniels" stuff. I've only linked a few things in the game that might require a bit of explanation, but otherwise, read for yourself. This is a game for playing. Feel free to make suggestions.
And above all -- don't play this game if you are planning on driving. Not even if you are just cruising around the University of Missouri at Kansas City's campus.
Here we go.
Take one drink if Joe mentions growing up in Cleveland.
Take one drink if Joe mentions a conversation from more than 5 years ago with Allard Baird.
Take one drink if Skyline Chili makes an appearance.
Take one drink if a managerial decision is questioned.
Take one drink if Joe talks about how exciting Carlos Beltran was/is to watch.
Take one drink if Joe explains an otherwise inexplicable signing/starting job by writing that the player in question is Dayton Moore's/Trey Hillman's/Buddy Bell's "kind of player."
Take one drink if Duane Kuiper makes an appearance.
Take one drink if Joe discusses how he grew up as a Cleveland Indians fan, and how he both hated and admired the Big Red Machine.
Take a bonus drink if this somehow morphs into a defense of Pete Rose.
Take one drink if Joe tries to coin a new term or invent a new statistic.
Take one drink if Joe mentions how much he thinks Joakim Soria resembles Mariano Rivera on the mound.
Take one drink if Joe discusses Tony Pena, Jr.'s complete inability to hit.
Have a bonus drink if Joe discusses Tony Pena, Jr.'s complete inability to hit without mentioning how much he loves TPJ's personality, love for baseball, his glove, his father's skill behind the plate, etc.
Take one drink if Joe mentions that Buddy Bell was his childhood hero.
Take one drink if Joe's wife and/or children are mentioned.
Have a bonus drink if Joe's wife Margo (MargoPo?), AKA "M" makes an appearance in the comments section.
Take one drink if Joe tells the story about Game 7 of 2001 World Series and his "pusbutton" deadline.
Take one drink if Joe makes a snide comment about Tony LaRussa.
Have a bonus drink if Joe references LaRussa's DUI.
Take one drink if Joe discusses his experience(s) covering the Olympics.
Take two drinks if Joe goes 3 blogs entries without mentioning his current book project.
Take one drink if the column/blog is a "Banny Log."
Have a bonus drink if the Banny Log contains actual quotes from a Joe-Banny text message conversation.
Take one drink if the blog contains at least one Posterisk.
Have a bonus drink if the total length of the Posterisk(s) exceeds the length of the rest of the colulmn.
Take one drink if Joe quotes or tells a story involving his "good friend" Bill James/Rob Neyer/Mike Vaccaro, etc..
Have a bonus drink if Joe refers to Vaccaro as "Vac."
Have a bonus drink if the friend is Dan LeBatard.
Take one drink if Buck O'Neil is mentioned.
Have a Bonus drink if Buck O'Neil is mentioned and The Soul of Baseball
is not mentioned.
Take one drink if Joe takes a shot at a Republican politician or policy.
Have a bonus drink if Joe forgets to show "impartiality" by also finding something to complain about regarding a Democratic politician or policy.
Take one drink if Joe brings up some piece of pop culture he likes.
Have a bonus drink if that piece of pop culture deviates from standard whitebread-blogger cultural fashion.
Finish your drink if Joe mentions a musical artist he likes that is the least bit funky.
Take one drink if Joe mentions the Dayton Game.
Have a bonus drink if Joe finds it curious that Dayton Moore taught him a game that singles out two players that Dayton Moore acquired in trades that were at least somewhat questionable.
Keep drinking if Joe discusses the fact that other than those "tools," the two players singled out in the Dayton game have no other discernible baseball skills.
Might as well finish it up if Joe muses on the significance of Dayton Moore thinking it would reflect well on him to show a well-known baseball writer a "game" that singles out two players he acquired in trades (at least one of which is questionable), either of whom would have to make miraculous strides to reach replacement level.
Take two drinks if Joe mentions that Buzz Bissinger is/was sort of a hero of his.
Take one drink if Joe mocks J. P. Ricciardi for saying that Adam Dunn "doesn't like baseball" because of his low batting average, high strikeout rate, and/or poor defense.
Have a bonus drink if Joe does so within a week of also expressing concern about Alex Gordon's low batting average, high strikeout rate, and/or poor defense.
Take one drink if Jason Whitlock fills in for Joe with a baseball column.
Finish your drink if Jason Whitlock competently fills in for Joe with a baseball column.****
****You are a good writer, Mr. Whitlock, but let's face it -- baseball isn't your thing.
Take one drink if Bruce Springsteen is mentioned.
Finish your drink if Joe muses on The Boss's apparent need for a laxative when singing and playing the guitar at the same time.
Take one drink if Joe brings up the story about his "hero" Bob Costas, Mickey Mantle, and his column for the Charlotte Observer. Again.
Finish your drink if Joe discusses the circumstances behind Tony Pena, Sr.'s resignation in detail.
Finish your drink if Joe gets into a Mariotti-esque feud with a sports personality or another writer.
Finish your drink if Joe criticizes Dayton Moore directly and without qualification.
Finish your drink if Joe documents Jason Whitlock's "last days in the Florida wild by interviewing fast-food servers up and down the Florida coast."
[Note: Just for the record, I realize this sort of thing could be done for anyone. "Take a drink if devil_fingers mentions Jose Guillen's struggles against righties," "Take a drink if devil_fingers (blank) (blank) (blank) (blank)ed," "Finish your drink if devil_fingers manages to post without any grammatical errors or typos." I actually thought of examples for other people, but I didn't anyone to be offended by being put on/left off. So there.]
[Updated September 3, 2008, 2:02 EST]
[Updated September 8, 2008. Thanks to jonfmorse and Warden11 for allowing me to incorporate their suggestions made below.]
[Updated September 10, 2008. Soria/Rivera.]
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Comments
Just take a drink every time you laugh
you’ll be wasted
I follow the Tao of Steve (Balboni)
by jackie ballgame on Sep 2, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That Whitlock pic
IS AWESOME!!
Great stuff.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Sep 2, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Epochal picture, yes
I assume you’ve seen it many times.
And thanks. Although my hopes of giving your “Intervention for Ryan LeFebvre” rec record a run for its money founded on the rocks of my hubris.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 2, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
founded=foundered
Nothing is funnier than when people try to sound smart and look stupid.
Except when they also physically injur themselves
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 2, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where can I pick up the RR Spelling Bee Trophy?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 2, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Itt Wil Bee
Devilered too yu.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 3, 2008 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, djk
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kept hitting refresh on his blog
and now I’m totally wasted
This space intentionally left blank.
by marbotty on Sep 2, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many drinks
if he tells the “Game 7 2001” story again?
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Sep 2, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ONe, I guess
I didn’t realize he’d busted it out.
It’s a movable feast!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 2, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
Mind if I incorporate that?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'course not
I wouldn’t have mentioned if I minded. ;)
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Sep 4, 2008 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always liked "JoePo" over "Poz"
can’t say why
by royalsreview on Sep 2, 2008 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
funnier, less "cool" = more fitting
if he was “cool” we wouldn’t like him as much
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 2, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think "JoePo" sounds more appropriate for a guy whose body shape is slowly approaching a perfect circle.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 2, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1, that's what I was looking for
How about that game tonight? I know this isn’t a great place to discuss it, but this is the sort of game that has been too few and far between, as others mentioned in the game thread:
Greinke with 7 strong and a bunch of Ks
RamRam and Soria closing it out in near-perfect fashion
Butler hitting the ball in the air
Gload on the bench
Thanks for the “pity rec,” by the way.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 2, 2008 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butler seems to be turning it on
I hope it is a real and lasting improvement that he’ll build on next year. We really need Butler and Gordon to jump up to the next level performance-wise. They don’t need to be superstars, but we really need them to become significantly above average for their positions at some point in the not too distant future. Greinke is a very young ace who is only going to get better. I hope Moore can work out a long-term deal this offseason. Team Ramrod and Soria are a pretty spectacular setup man-closer combination. And it wasn’t a pity rec. It was a love rec. Consider yourself scissored.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might as well do it piecemeal in comments
I think Gordon, if he plays all year next year (no reason to think he won’t, but shit happens) will be worth at least 2 wins more than this year. I’m guessing 3, but somewhere bewteen 2-4.
Butler 1.5-3. He’s been hitting better, but tonight, again, was against lefties. It’s hard to tell what will happen given his youth and the inconsistency between destroying AA pitching and his trouble with righties in the major leagues. I don’t know much about this stuff, but I think it just means he’s a young guy figuring things out.
I know even less about pitching than I do about hitting. Greinke’s good now, but I’m not sure how much he can improve. I think 1-2 more wins is feasible, but even if he just is a bit better next year, that would be great, considering how good he’s been this year.
soria in the rotation would really make a difference.
Give the Royals a full year of Aviles (he’ll come to earth) – TPJ, Guillen even OPSing .790, and KILA/Shealy instead of GLoad (for at least half a year), and the Royals could flirt with .500 next year. Especially if they add FA power bat.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke's improvement in wins is correlated with offensive improvement
Zack has been good enough to be a 15+ game winner this year.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Sep 3, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I just meant how many “wins” his improvement would be worth, in terms of marginal runs over replacement level/league average.
Zack’s been a stud.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your comments on Gordon and Butler
I know even less about pitching than I do about hitting. Greinke’s good now, but I’m not sure how much he can improve. I think 1-2 more wins is feasible, but even if he just is a bit better next year, that would be great, considering how good he’s been this year.
Given his age and talent and the fact that at worst he’s on the #1/#2 cusp right now, I think you can count on improvement to be a solid, dominant ace. How many more wins to the team does that mean? That’s really hard to say. Maybe 2 is right.
Give the Royals a full year of Aviles (he’ll come to earth) – TPJ, Guillen even OPSing .790, and KILA/Shealy instead of GLoad (for at least half a year), and the Royals could flirt with .500 next year. Especially if they add FA power bat.
That sounds about right. The acquistions are the real wildcard. A big bat could get us to .500. Another decent acquisition could get us over .500. I’d just like for the Royals to add one big bat who should help the team in 2010-11 when the team can possible contend.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke
It’s not a big deal, but just to clarify: I’m not sure how much improvement the Royals can count on because he’s already so good. He’s still very young for a pitcher. I just hope they don’t let him pitch many more innings than he did last year.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a Classic game
I wish we could see that more and more. Greinke was strong and Butler was a one man wrecking machine. Nice D switch at the end of the night TPJ to SS Aviles to 3b.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Sep 3, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just relieved Trey didn't do it in the 4th inning
you know he wanted to
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say JoePo, but a lot of his contemporaries refer to him as Poz. So whichever way…it all works.
by minda33 on Sep 3, 2008 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahen is the enigma as
his OPS+ has dropped below his rookie year. Do you guys expect them to keep him around? On pace for 131k’s vs 51 BB pace. At this point if KC signs Dunn/Burrell I would rather keep Joey/Maier around as they are both better at defense and try to sign Eric Hinske or resign German for backup defense.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Sep 3, 2008 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I expect them to keep him around
He’s still affordable and they’ll have to make the decision to tender him before the vast majority of FA’s have been signed. So they kind of need to keep him around at least as a backup plan if they can’t land a good corner OFer.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahen Is Better
Than eithe of them, offense and defense.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 3, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Defense? No way
the only thing he does better is throw. He is a butcher in Rt and Lt, his path to the ball is a joke. His power is better but still weak. Maier looked decent at the plate despite the total lack of power, was working counts deep. I was surprises by his lack of power because he never lacked power in the minors.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Sep 3, 2008 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahen hasn't shown he can play a good center field like Maier and Gathright.
by djk royal on Sep 3, 2008 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither Of Them
Can play any IF at all.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 3, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maier played 3B in the minors
At one point. And he played a few innings at 1B in spring training.
He could do it as a last resort.
Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.
by doublestix on Sep 3, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Teahen can do so much better than Maier who is emergency only
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MITCH

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think Teahens defense all the way around is pretty crappy. 3b might be his best spot. Plus he cost 2.5M more I think for a small market team concerned about their payroll and wanting to sign FA’s the last thing they need to be concerned about are overpaid utility players.
When they can put serviceable/cheaper players on the bench like Pena/Maier/German over guys like Olivo/Teahen then they have to do it. It offers more money towards FA’s and more flexibility in trades.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Sep 3, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Teahens defense all the way around is pretty crappy
The best defensive metrics (UZR, etc.) over a large sample size disagree with you (with regard to the OF), and that doesn’t even take into account his excellent arm, which is very important for RF.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Guillen/Teahen UZR gap is rather shocking
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would be a lot less
If Guillen didn’t play most of the season injured, so its not a real good comparison, look at his 2007 numbers instead, should be more representative.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Sep 3, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guillen's 2007 defensive numbers were awful
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
Anything we can say to convince myself that Teahen needs one more chance…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahen has limited versatility
he has proved he can’t play LF worth a crap, can’t play CF and in the times he played 1b or 3b he hasn’t faired to well. That leaves him in RF where his bat is the equivalent of a AAAA player.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Sep 3, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Rany has pointed out very well, Teahen would be a good four corners utility man
Of course he can play LF and RF well defensively (his early seasons LF struggles shouldn’t lead one to conclude that he can play RF but can’t handle LF. Has there been any player in the history of the game who could play the more important corner OF spot well, but not handle the other corner OF spot?). He shouldn’t be an everyday 3B, but he can handle that position. And there’s no reason to believe he couldn’t handle 1B.
You’re like a dog with a bone with your anti-Teahen stance. I can understand you not wanting him to be a starting RFer. I don’t want him to have to be the starting RFer. But for you to just want him gone in favor of someone like Maier is really out there (I’m trying to b nice).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Limited Budget
This team has limited funds to play with and to have a player take up room and 2.5M more in salary with limited upside is wrong. KC could use the 4.7M(2.5m/Olivo’s2.2m) towards a FA.
It goes beyone my distaste for Teahen he just doesn’t provide a true worth. KC plays in the AL bench/utility players are essentially useless especially one who has a career .771 OPS off Rhp. Are we gonna debate the value of defense? Blah in the end who cares this team doesn’t lose games because of average or below average defense they lose because of a inability to hit with power and consistency. 4.7M to bring in Hinske or to put towards Dunn is more valuable than Teahen/Olivo by themselves.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Sep 3, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thankfully, we can afford both Dunn and Teahen
How about this? If non-tendering Teahen is what it takes to sign someone like Dunn or Burrell, then I’d non-tender him. Thankfully it looks like there is more than enough room for Teahen and an expensive, top tier FA.
I really can’t go along with your “don’t spend $3M on any mediocre player. Release them all and sign expensive FA’s.” That just doesn’t make sense.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To You and a Question
IMO KC is gonna have to pay more than market value to get a player like Dunn. He isn’t gonna just wake up and say “Hey I wanna go to the plaza and play for a team that has one winning record in 15 year.” By unloading players like Teahen/Olivo KC’s payroll doesn’t take as big a hit towards their Glasslimit.
What would KC have to give up IYO to get Ryan Howard? The rumors remain that he is on the block, as a local kid KC might be able to get him to sign a longterm deal on a slight market discount(not huge). If Philly is thinking about moving Burrell to 1b, could KC get Howard for DDJ/Buck/Pitching prospect? What would you think of that move?
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Sep 4, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO KC is gonna have to pay more than market value to get a player like Dunn.
So you’re saying that the Royals should non-tender Teahen to facilitate them overpaying for Dunn. I wouldn’t do that. The Royals should definitely not overpay for Dunn or Burrell. They have big positives (hitting) and significant negatives (defense and likely decline curve). So they are worth some big money to the Royals, but overpaying would really hurt the team. So no, I don’t want to non-tender some mediocre players to facilitate giving a bad contract to Dunn or Burrell.
If Philly is thinking about moving Burrell to 1b, could KC get Howard for DDJ/Buck/Pitching prospect?
No, I don’t think he could be had for that package. I think it would take more elite talent like Greinke, Meche or Soria. And I would trade them for a player who has only two years of team control remaining (particularly when they aren’t cheap years)
What would you think of that move?
I like Ryan Howard, but he’s no bargain. He has two years of team control remaining and they aren’t going to be cheap. He won $10M in arbitration for this year. So, I’d guess that means he gets $25M over the next two years. So acquiring Howard would take both big money and big talent. I can’t say I like that idea. That is, unless he can be had for less than I think.
I have to say that trading DeJesus is really problematic because there is no one to replace him. I used to think Teahen could do it (and Rany suggested trading DDJ and having Teahen replace him in his most recent post), but his defense just isn’t improving enough to move him to CF. And, more importantly, Moore and Hillman will never go for that. If you trade DeJesus, Maier or Gathright has to be the everyday CFer. So basically trading DeJesus fills a hole, but opens up one that is just as big.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 4, 2008 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn/Burrell
I really do think they will have to overpay them to get them, by how much is the debate. They will not come to KC for market value, why would any FA. KC will either have to offer more years or more money, I would go for the more money because if they prove to be a bust it is less time to deal with them.
Philly might let him go for less talent to clear money for Burrell. If and this is a BIG if KC could trade DDJ in that package they wouldn’t have to go after a Dunn and in turn could use some cash on a Rocco Baldelli, maybe catch lightning in a bottle with him in CF.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Sep 4, 2008 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really do think they will have to overpay them to get them, by how much is the debate. They will not come to KC for market value, why would any FA.
Yes, the Royals will have to pay more than other teams. But the question is how much would that be? We really don’t know. But I don’t support the contention that the Royals should just pay whatever it takes. For instance, if Dunn would only come to the Royals for a 5/100 deal, that’s way too much. Just because the Royals have to overpay doesn’t mean they should just wildly overpay any amount for any FA. For the record, my number crunching and payroll budget estimate says that the Royals have more than $19M to use on FA’s. So I don’t think they need to non-tender Teahen in order to sign an elite FA.
If it were up to you, what kind of contract would be willing to offer Dunn or Burrell? How high would you go?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 4, 2008 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've often thought about starting a discussion
on what exactly constitues “overpaying.” That’s a complicated subject that deserves it’s own thread, perhaps part of another free agency thread.
I’m not trying to shut this discussion down or anything, but simply suggesting that it’s somethign worth pursing at length, in relation to team and league context.
Just to use Jose Guillen as an example (and I’m really not picking on him this time). Let’s say that he had managed a 110 OPS+ this year. In general, I think $12 million for that kind of production from a 32 year-old corner OF is too much. However, (and leaving aside the real but hard to quantify “proving to potential FAs that the Royals are serious” thing) given who would be playing instead, the relatice lack of available COs in the Royals organization, etc., that’s not necessarily a bad deal, even if, from a different perspecive, it’s “overpaying.”
Just some thoughts. Yeah, Dunn probably isn’t “worth” $17 million a year in general, but to the Royals he probably would be, given the right number of years (probably 3).
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by devil_fingers on Sep 4, 2008 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is a complicated issue
I’m not against the Royals paying more than market value for a player. But there is a point where overpayment becomes just too much given all that the player brings to and takes away from the team and the performance he’s likely to provide over the term of the contract.
So I’m willing to pay more than market value for Dunn and Burrell as long as that doesn’t mean paying more than 3/51 or 4/64. If it takes more than that, pass. For me, those contract numbers represent the boundary between had-to-overpay-to-get-him and albatross.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 4, 2008 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It totally depends on what the market
is saying they are worth? If teams are offering 14-15M, then 17-18M isn’t out of line. For Dunn I would go as many as 4+option years as that would put him at 33-34 and keep him around for Hoss/Mouse. For Burrell I wouldn’t go past 3 years as he is 2 years older and IMO his power will shrink fast than Dunn’s just based on his torque in his swing and would become more prone to injury.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on Sep 4, 2008 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll be happy to know then
….that the Royals can likely easily afford $17-18M for Dunn or Burrell (or someone else) while still offering arbitration to both Teahen and Buck.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 4, 2008 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Teahen as a super utility guy
He can play all 4 corner spots well enough to be the primary backup option at all of them.
On a roster that usually consists of only 13 positions, he would add a hell of a lot of value to one of the 4 bench spots.
by loyal2sdad on Sep 3, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Royals best 5 options to be on the bench next year
1. Kila/Shealy – platoon big bat off the bench
2. Gathright – ( or insert base stealing Wilmington outfielder if you hate Gator) Pinch runner and 4th outfielder
3. Callaspo – 2nd/short good average guy
4. Teahen – good base runner, plays 4 postions
5. Bryan Pena – catcher backup, pretty good bat
This would assume a FA outfielder (most want power corner, I want another cf like Granderson) , and O-dog or Furacal FA
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Sep 3, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players we should pay some money to play at AAA
1. An inning eater Starting Pitcher(s)
2. German (in case of injuries)
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Sep 3, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
German would not take a minor league deal
He’s arbitration eligible again, which means the Royals must either offer him a guaranteed major league contract or just non-tender him and he becomes a FA. As he is out of options, if the Royals sign him to a major league contract, he can’t be sent down to the minors without being exposed to waivers, and someone would claim him.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose it would be Jason Smith as the backup then
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Sep 3, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or someone else the organization brought in
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can get one in the rule 5 draft?
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Sep 3, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then we wouldn't be able to stash him in the minors
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmm, maybe
MLB can let small market teams have an extra player?
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Sep 3, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should start a groundswell of support for this rule change
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 3, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone have any suggestions for additions that you wouldn't mind me adding in?
I’m remembering stuff all the time I forgot to add.
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by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks
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by devil_fingers on Sep 3, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anytime he mentions a book he is writing?
anytime he mentions the Olympics
anytime he mentions a mancrush
by Warden11 on Sep 6, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
May I incoporate these?
Since this is a JoPo tribute, I’d be remiss in not engaging in a bit of shameless self-promotion:
Feel free to hit the “rec” button at the end of the column…
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by devil_fingers on Sep 6, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you incorporate those?
That’s why I posted them.
And I don’t remember if you had it in your original or not but a big one for Joe would be:
Skyline Chili.
by Warden11 on Sep 6, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/07/the-brief-wondrous-life-of-angel-berroa/
Joe said thanks!
by Warden11 on Sep 7, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Sadly, my life is now complete.
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by devil_fingers on Sep 7, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if RR got the credit
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 7, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We, as a family, got the credit
We’re like a team. Any achievement is a team achievement. That means we all get credit for the JoPo drinking game, as well as the “credit” for posts suggesting the importance of batting average.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 7, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woo hoo!
I was hoping so. I can’t wait for the New New Historical Abstract to come out with the new 3B rankings, so I can take credit for that new discovery.
4. Mike Schmidt (.267)
3. Buddy Bell (.279)
2. Tie: George Brett & BIll Madlock (.305)
1. Bob Dillinger (.306)
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by devil_fingers on Sep 7, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that his BA with RISP?
Because that is what really matters.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 7, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, which is better? BAwRISP or BA
It’s way too complicated, we night have to start a new thread
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by devil_fingers on Sep 7, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to create a new metric
(BA+BAwRISP)/GRIT = Derivative Ultra Metric of Batting (DUMB)
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 7, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
I actually kind of enjoyed Stat Ninja. Are you still there, Ninja? I mean, I didn’t agree with much that he said, but it was kind of fun.
Also, assuming that he’s a Royals fan (I don’t think that’s a stretch), I wonder (and here we’ll see some real speculation) how much the BA/BAwRISP RULES thing was motivated by some sort of understandable (if misguided, in my opinion) attempt to argue that Brett was better than Schmidt? I mean, you can’t do it on the basis of OBP, SLG, OPS, or OPS+. You can’t do it based on defense (to my knowledge). Other stuff is too vague (“peak season” and stuff, I don’t know how that would go, just speculating). Maybe steals, but that would take an altogether different kind of argument…
Again, I’m just speculating.
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by devil_fingers on Sep 9, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You dork.
Don’t you understand that Brett was better than Schmidt simply based on the fact that Brett never got booed in KC, while Schmidt got booed in Philly?
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Sep 9, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my face
That’s where we should have known the Hoagy signing would go bad — he busted out Schmidt’s wig tactic right off. That should have told us something.


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by devil_fingers on Sep 9, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Updated
“Take one drink if Joe mentions how much he thinks Joakim Soria resembles Mariano Rivera on the mound.”
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