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- In the bottom of the eighth with two outs & two on, Carlos Gomez swung at the first offering from Ramon Ramirez. After a four-pitch walk. The batter before that walk, Brendan Harris, probably should have walked. Along with Casilla's failed bunt in the 7th, the Twins did as much to help out the Royals in the seventh & eighth as they did to hurt them.
- A fitting farewell for Gil Meche, who kept the Twins down for six innings in the most dramatic game he's pitched in since, I dunno... maybe his first start as a Royal against the Red Sox two years ago.
- John Bale: justifying two years of my irrational support of him now.
Can anybody else absolutely not wait for tomorrow's game?
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First!
Can we repeat 2006? Can we torpedo the twins? I hope so.
by Eppenweb on Sep 27, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tigerwatch!!!
2-0 Rays in the middle of the 2nd. For Gameday updates:
http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=det
Let’s clinch 4th, baby!
by Royals Nation on Sep 27, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We control our...
…own destiny with a win tomorrow. – TL
by timlacy on Sep 27, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally psyched about the wins
But goddamn I want the Sox to not make the playoffs. And the Twins too if that could happen somehow.
by PopeSoria on Sep 27, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not really important, but I really like that Meche ended the season with an ERA under 4
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me, too
It might just give him a tad more respect, for what it’s worth, for the solid season he has had.
by cookierojas73 on Sep 27, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will at least be meaningful to
…casual fans and ESPN commentators.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Meche...
…earned all the respect he needed after last year. But, it was nice to get another very solid year from him. While he’s not a #1, he’s most definitely served as A staff anchor. – TL
by timlacy on Sep 27, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The doubters (about Meche and his contract)
came back in force this April. They are quiet again….until the next time he has a bad month.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least the KC Star didn't...
…reproduce that stinking Mechemeter. Lame. – TL
by timlacy on Sep 27, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1, but...
…was there really any doubt? He’s pitched lights out for most of the 2nd half. I was more worried about who took the club SO lead? For no particular reason, I wanted Greinke to end with the most (and least walks). I can’t help but root for the Boy Wonder. – TL
by timlacy on Sep 27, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just checked, and...
…Meche and Greinke tied for the SO lead at 183. It’s nice to see intra-staff competition. That’s what makes a club prosper. – TL
by timlacy on Sep 27, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Greinke won...
…the fewest BB with 56. Meche had 73. That means Greinke’s SO/BB ratio is nearly 4:1. Excellent. – TL
by timlacy on Sep 27, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bale is actually pretty good
If you look beyond the ERA, and if you keep him in a relief role, he’s a pretty good lefty reliever (and not just a LOOGY). At this point, I’d probably offer him $1.8M for arbitration (basically the minimum by rule).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Bale...
…back also. We need to retain our pen as is if nothing else. – TL
by timlacy on Sep 27, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pen is rock solid
Lots of good pitchers. Any bullpen that goes 4-deep with dominant relievers is damned good. I’d still non-tender Gobble, though.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see...
…the Mellinger entry on Soria? Thoughts? It didn’t really say anything new, I suppose. – TL
by timlacy on Sep 27, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it is discussed in a fanshot
I like Mellinger, but his analysis in that post was pathetically weak.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mellinger is good, but loses it
when talking about Soria to the rotation and Jose Guillen’s alleged RBI gifts
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 27, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh hai
those RsBI sure are an important skill.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Sep 28, 2008 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Important That
Jose F. Lopez might garner 100+ this year due to his ability to have the M’s brain trust bat him 4th much of this year.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 28, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now let's just keep him...
…away from the wall or whatever it was he stupidly smashed earlier this year. He can be a real asset when healthy.
by cookierojas73 on Sep 27, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Avoid the tantrums. And he’s like my age—-late 30s. Get over yourself. – TL
by timlacy on Sep 27, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a competitor. He's got fire!
It’s his burning desire to win and help his team that caused him to hit that wall!
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was probably more like...
…a sore arm that wasn’t healing coupled with a couple of post-game brews…
by cookierojas73 on Sep 27, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tigerwatch continues....
2-1 Detroit in the top of the 3rd. Tampa has runners on first and second with 1 out against human baseball bat magnet Dontrelle Willis.
by Royals Nation on Sep 27, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Royals Pitching Stuff
Should probably wait until after tomorrow when Meche’s stats are added in, but I’m sure we’ll review and analyze it to death between Monday morning and the end of Spring Training. I’ll probably try to do another post on this after the season’s over so I can pretend to be a competent analyst. Unless I find another TV show to compare to the Royals. It’s all good.
Stat Corner is a relatively new (in fact, it’s still in "beta") Stat site that has some cool new metrics. Thanks to Gopherballs for redirecting me to it. It has cool stats — wOBA (weight on-base percentage) that is basically an improved OPS/VORP that corrects to give OBP it’s proper weight, and derived bRAA (Batting Runs Above Average) and other stuff from it, also with park and league adjusted versions, among other things. But this is about pitching.
In pitching, their main stat is tRA. tRA is like (Fielding Independant Pitching), and so gives a much more accurate read of pitching performance than ERA. They also have tRA+, which is like OPS+ for FIP — compares a pitcher’s tRA with league average (always 100) with park adjustments. FOr more, just check the glossary on their site. Here’s some of the good/interesting Royal tRA+ stuff.
Greinke 123 tRA+. That’s 10th in the AL out of 60 qualified starters. That’s #1 material right there, folks. Better yet, he was 8th in pRAA, the counting stat version, which is sorta the Stat Corner version of VORP. Just to give an example of how fielding might have effected Zack’s games this year (although I think this is independent of tRA), they have another stat called OxO. Outs – Expected Outs. Basically, It takes the Outs made by the pitcher and substracts the number out Outs the pitchers performance should have produced. This accounts for the good/bad luck a pitcher might have experienced due to e.g., good/bad defense. A positive number means the pitcher has been fortunate, a negative number indicates bad luck. Zack has a -17 on the season. He is tied for the fifth unluckiest starting pitcher in the AL.
Meche (before today’s game) 117 tRA+. He’s ranked 15th. That’s one of the best #2s in the league. He’s 13th in pRAA. He’s also been the victim of poor luck, having a -5 OxO. Also, I can’t upload pictures, but did anyone else notice the Royals official Gameday story? That’s right, at least for now, it’s titled ‘Gil Closes The Deal.’

Oh, man, I can’t believe Dick Kaegel stole our idea. What, he’s there right now? You said it was over. No, don’t put him on the pho— hi, Dick!.
Kyle Davies 100 tRA+. Huh. We were riffing on this before the game. Nornally, being exactly league average wouldn’t be too much to be excited about. While Davies hot streak gave people a lot of hope, so did Jose Guillen’s in May and June — that’s the natre of hot streaks — they’re typically unsustainable. But still, it evened out to a league average pitcher. That’s a #3 guy. So even if Davies drops back off a little, he has a decent shot at being a good #4. Not bad for Octavio Dotel. Given that Davies needs to be a #5 at most, we should be happy with that. His OxO is exactlly 0.
How about the relievers?
Joakim Soria is 12th among 101 qualified relivers with a 147 tRA+. Reliever tRA+s, like ERAs, are much higher than starters, probably because they’re all put in the pool together. For example, Mariano Rivera has the highest tRA+ of all qualified relivers with a 253. Soria’s PrAA before today’s game was 9.87, 10th among qualified relievers.
Not far behind, at 14th, is Leo Nunez, with a 141 tRA+ (Bobby Jenks is right between them). Nunez’s PrAA is 7.03, which is in the top 20 among qualified relivers. Pretty impressive considering it is a counting stat and he was out with an injury for a while.
Ron Mahay, after a brilliant first half, fell to a 94 tRA+ (69th).
Oh yeah, who’s the other guy in the pen who pitches sometimes? The one that always forces everyone to call for SORIA NOW? Ramon Ramirez? He has a 172 tRA+ on the year. That’s right — highest tRA+ of any qualfied starter or reliever on the Royals. 25 points higher than Soria’s. I’m not saying he’s better than Soria — he doesn’t have the track record or the pitch mix. But how about Mr. Perfectly Round Gameday head getting a little love? Not convinced yet? Before today’s game, Team RamRod had a 14.52 pRAA. That’s the best among Royals relievers, third in the league among qualified relievers (only Rivera and Papelbon are ahead at this time), and third on the Royals behind only Zack and ol’ Gil.
Yup. RAMROD.

Is this really my head, or just a dried totem from the cannibal tribes of the South Pacific?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 27, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reliver OxO
Sorry, might as well add it in. Remember, Positive numbers = luckier, negative = unlucky
Soria +6
Ramirez -3
Nunez -6
Mahay +2
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 27, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Prospectus's premier starting pitcher stat is SNLVAR
Support Neutral Lineup Adjusted Value Added above Replacement Player. Before today’s game here are the Royals SP’s MLB rank in SNLVAR:
Greinke #8
Meche #23
Davies #40
Bannister #60
Hochevar #67
Of course, like VORP, this is not a rate stat. Just getting a lot of starts helps. But if you go by 5 SP’s per team, there are 150 SP’s in MLB. So the above isn’t too shabby.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ramon Ramirez is the most underrated player on this team
Not because people think he isn’t good, but because I don’t think people recognize how spectacular he’s been this season. Setup men don’t get sexy stats like Savles (Holds aren’t and never will be sexy). And his ERA is good, but not dazzling. But when you look at the peripherals and the fielding independent metrics, he’s been truly great. IMO, the Royals have at least two very good closers on this team. One should either go to the rotation or be traded.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
underrated bullpens subplts
RamRod is one of my favs and definitely the most underrated player. But there are two other subplots that go along with this that are a bit intertwined.
a) Ron Mahay’s second half letdown. Not a huge deal, in the long-run, perhaps. It’s hard to tell how much the injury threw him off. He’s still got a year left on his contract, so it’s not like the Royals had to trade him. Still, with perfect 20/20 hindsight (and I say that so that this isn’t seen as a criticism of DMGM, since he couldn’t know Mahay would get hurt/suck, and who knows what was offered), maybe taking what offer there was for him would have been better in the long run. Especially with the seeming emergence of John Bale (again). Oh well. Here’s to Mahay (and Guillen) getting off to a hot start again next year to drive his trade value back up.
b) Leo Nunez. He was shaky right after his return from injury, but kicked ass since then. Another good bullpen guy. His tRA+ is just below Bobby Jenks (granted this has been a bit of down year, at least compared to Jenks’ other years).
In other words, through in Bale/Mahay, possibly either Rosa or Davies (assuming they aren’t both in next year rotation), and whatever dudes Dayton picks up for free and/or in trades involving Gathright and possibly German, I see the bullpen as being something to feel confident in next year (well, as confident as one should ever feel about bullpen performance). Even if the unthinkable happens and (gasp!) they stick Soria in the rotation.
Sorry, couldn’t resist putting that in there.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 27, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still feel the same way about trading Mahay as I did in July. If the Royals got a good offer for him, they should have traded him. The Royals don’t need him in the bullpen in 2009, but he does add value. And that value has a price. If the offers he got didn’t meet that price, then I wouldn’t sell. I’m confident he’ll have a good year next year (maybe not as good as 2008) and he’ll be tradable again in July. Until then, he’ll help the Royals win some games.
Going into this season, I thought the bullpen looked both good and deep. It has basically played out that way. I expect the same for 2009. It will be interesting to see if Gobble and Bale are back. I’m think probably Bale and not Gobble, but who knows. I like this idea:
Greinke
Meche
Hochevar
Bannister
Davies
Rosa (long relief, spot starter)
Bale (middle relief)
Nunez (middle relief)
Mahay (setup)
Ramirez (setup)
Soria (closer)
Since Moore is married to the 12-man pitching staff, that leaves one additional bullpen spot which half a dozen pitchers can compete for. That looks like a good pitching staff to me.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indians hammering the Sox 7-1
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor Shin=Soo Choo
Finally comes up, breaks out… and his obligation as a Korean citizen is that he has to start a service term in the Army starting no later than 2010.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 27, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess he wasn't on Korea's WBC team
Too bad, from what I remember, the government rewarded them for doing well by exempting them from service.
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
by mazoboom on Sep 27, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Maybe he was on the team.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 27, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't see him on the WBC roster for Korea
per wikipedia
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Sep 27, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he'll be in WBC 2009
and they’ll do well again. And the government will thank the national team again. They seem to do that for sports. I guess since they’re representing the country well, it’s like foreign service.
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
by mazoboom on Sep 27, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, in March
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
by mazoboom on Sep 28, 2008 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that I think about it
he might have been hurt (Tommy John recovery) last time around. Good for him.
I wish he hadn’t got hurt when I had him as a fantasy keeper…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 28, 2008 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Jermaine Dye,
Weren’t you supposed to start your decline a couple of years ago?
Cheers,
devil_fingers
CC: Magglio Ordonez
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 27, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His decline is happening in the field but not at the plate
He’s gone from a legitimate Gold Glove RFer to one of the worst (defensively) in baseball. And his hitting really should fall off a cliff any day now.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right
But I have to say I was thinking he was due to step off of the cliff 2-3 years ago. Didn’t happen.
You know defense better than I. Last year, his UZR was +2 (just above average, right?). Haven’ t seen it for this year, but his 2008 RZR is in the middle of the pack. His OOZ is 3rd in the AL, just behind Gutierrez from Cleveland (there would be a great platoon guy/4th OF for the Royals) and just ahead of Rios, although he has several hundred more innings than both. Markakis has about 100 more innings and 2 more plays.
But I cede before your superior eye re: defense.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 27, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think Dewan’s +/- had Dye as one of the worst last year.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank Hubbard offensive stats aren't that way
Dayton: “So… should we tender Mark Teahen?”
J. J. “Well, Bill James says he had an OBP of around .318 this past year, but Baseball Prospectus has it at .369.”
[Unfortunatley, this scenario is laughable on more than one level.]
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 27, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chisox rally in the top of the 8th
They score 4 to bring the score to
Indians 8
Chisox 6
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
now 10-6 - go Tribe
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on Sep 27, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I want Chicago and Detroit to have to play Monday
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on Sep 27, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tigers win
Now, we have to win tomorrow to clinch a tie for fourth.
Tribe wins too, so we haven’t hurt the Twins yet.
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Sep 27, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My plan is working out perfectly
I’m glad everybody is playing along.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually worried.
If we lose tomorrow and the Tigers win, and then the White Sox lose… game over, last place by half a game. We WIN, on the other hand, Tigers have to win twice just to tie us.
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on Sep 27, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The key is to not let Duckworth go very long
If Hillman actually wants to win this game, then he shouldn’t let Duckworth go more than once through the lineup. Mahay and Nunez can go at least 2 innings each. Ramirez and Soria can go 1-2 innings each. They haven’t been overused recently or over the course of the year and there is nothing to save them for. Or, he can stick with Duckworth for 5 innings and he’ll probably give up 4-6 runs.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow would be a good day to see how creative Trey can be.
He might as well go for the win at all costs, right?
by Warden11 on Sep 28, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not at the risk of hurting a pitcher
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 28, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
but do we have any pitchers that would really be in danger?
by Warden11 on Sep 28, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't risk Yabuta
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 28, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or TPJ
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 28, 2008 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Royals have given the White Sox two gifts
And the White Sox have returned them, unopened. It’s always fun to watch that team implode.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Ozzie's head is getting ready to explode
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on Sep 27, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It often looks like that
I wish it would just explode and get it over with.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can You Imagine
Cleaning up that mess?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 28, 2008 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does hot air make a mess?
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
by mazoboom on Sep 28, 2008 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie calls out Vasquez for pitching like crap in clutch games
and Vasquez lays two eggs in a row.
by Top Ramen on Sep 27, 2008 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie is a complete idiot
He’s a horrible manager. Calling out his own players is just one of the mistakes he frequently makes.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 27, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While we're at it
Vazquez with the fifth highest tRA+ in the AL.
OxO: -24. Second unluckiest pitcher in the league. Maybe Ozzie should be calling out his fielders. Or maybe stop hitting O-cab first in the order.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 28, 2008 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Vazquez is both good and consistent
I think he’s a solid and sure #2-quality SP, much like Meche. For each of the past 3 years, he’s had a FIP under 4. He consistently has more than 8 K/9 and fewer than 3 BB/9. Move him out of Newmiskey Field and his HR/9 will drop (and they aren’t very high to begin with). Since he hasn’t pitched well down the stretch this year, Sox fans despise Vazquez and want him gone. He’s just not clutch enough for their high standards. Ozzie clearly doesn’t like him either. Maybe KW is interested in trading him. I think he makes $11.5M per year for the next two years. I’d be happy for the Royals to take him off of their hands (he has a limited no-trade clause but only for some NL West and AL West teams). I don’t know what I’d give up for him, but if KW is a motivated seller, I’d be happy for the Royals to take advantage of him. Then the Royals can trade Greinke and the rotation takes only a small hit.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 28, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newmisky
That’s what’s interesting about tRA+ and the other stats - they adjust for the park. According to those rankings, Vazquez has been one of the best pitcher in the Al three years in a row. 5th in tRA+ this season, 6th in 2007, and 4th in 2006.
I’m sure Griffey in CF hasn’t helped his “clutchiness” in the second half.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 28, 2008 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tRA
Clearly average tRA+ is 100, but what is the average tRA? I know it isn’t on the standard ERA/FIP/PERA scale. And do they update both of those stats daily throughout the season?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Sep 28, 2008 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup -- updated daily as far as I can tell
Meche is not 13th. For a day, at least, he’s “officially” the best #2 in the AL.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Sep 28, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest, I have mixed feelings
I want the Royals to continue to pound on the top teams in the AL Central, but I would rather see the Twins make the playoffs than Ozzie, A.J., and those mouthy southsiders.
I am also bummed out because this is the last time the Royals will play until Spring 2009.
by Deaner on Sep 28, 2008 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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