1B/DH Madness Update, or Shealy Now!
With the annual September privilege of expanded rosters, the Royals promoted forgotten savior Ryan Shealy and internet hero Kila Ka'aihue. With supposed prospect Billy Butler and Everyday Ross Gload (who started something like 400 consecutive games for Hillman) the most impotent team of the decade suddenly found itself with four options at 1B/DH.
Lets take a look at how Hillman has divided the playing time thus far.
| 1B | DH | In-Game Subs | |
| 9/2 | Shealy | Butler | |
| 9/4 | Shealy | Butler | |
| 9/4 | Butler | Guillen | Gload 2 innings, 0 PAs; Kila PR for Guillen |
| 9/5 | Ka'aihue | Butler | |
| 9/6 | Shealy | Butler | |
| 9/7 | Butler | Guillen |
Sigh.
Although Hillman has somewhat surprisingly relegated Gload to the bench -- though he did start in left on 9/5 -- he's seemingly undermined that partial solution by introducing Guillen into the DH mix. Given the viccisitudes of the Hillman-Guillen relationship, it's impossible for this uinformed outsider to say exactly why this is happening, however the simplest explanation is that Hillman is loath to remove Citizen Hoagy from the lineup for fear of clubhouse eruption #117 of 2008.
Dayton Moore deserves these two, since he brought them together.
With Guillen sliding into semi-regular DH mode, a wider playing time philosophy may be exposing itself:
| PAs since 9/2 | |
| Butler | 24 |
| Guillen | 24 |
| Shealy | 11 |
| Gload | 4 |
| Ka'aihue | 4 |
Now, I know what you're expecting: an impassioned cry of Kila Now! and 2-4 Huber anecdotes. To do so would be to do a disservice to Huber's legacy however. This is still Kila's first callup, not his third or fourth, and we are still dealing with a player who has only seen something like 140 PAs above AA. A large part of Kila's callup is to acclimate him to the off-the-field side of professional baseball and to reward him, emotionally and financially, for his tremendous performance this season. We're stil two years from Kila reaching true Huber status, and unlike, say, Huber v. Minky years ago, there's still some definite upside potential ($1 dollar to Simmons) in Ryan Shealy. It's in the best interests of the franchise to get Shealy more at bats than Kila this month.
The problem is that Shealy isn't playing enough, and may never, given Hillman's desire to keep Guillen and Butler in the lineup every... single... day. Guillen, granted, is possibly a seperate issue, and only a partial member of the 1B/DH club. Yes, he shouldn't be playing, but maybe it's just easier for everyone if he does, even with the cascade effects this creates.
Butler however, as weird as it seems to say this, should not be playing everyday anymore. The Royals have been remarkably patient with Billy this season, on the heels of handig him an everyday role from late June of his rookie year. Yes, Butler remains light years ahead of the other candidates, and indeed of everyone else on the roster, in terms of his potential ceiling. (Light years, ceiling? Yay mixed metaphors.) Nevertheless, the blogosphere is nothing if not the exploration of minor issues in major detail, and Butler's development -- which has been towards Ken Harvey this season -- is not going to be curtailed if he loses 20 September PAs to Ryan Shealy. He's still 22, and to date, he's the owner of 796 Big League PAs. Hillman can take the pedal off the Butler accelerator over the next three weeks. I'm no Shealy fan at this point, but you could make a case that there still might be something there, especially given his injury issues last season. He's certainly not in the Gload zone yet.
The Royals have twenty games left and roughly 180 1B/DH PAs to play with. Trey's been something of a dullard thus far in terms of sneaking guys PAs late in games (Kila in as a PR, wow, that was Buddy-esque) and I'd love to see that change. Overall, here's how I'd like to see those final 180 PAs distributed:
| Shealy | 90 |
| Butler | 55 |
| Ka'aihue | 30 |
| Gload | 5 |
| Guillen | 0 |
Shealy Now!
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I'm glad you are able to keep perspective enough to preserve and honor Huber's legacy
Whither Shane Costa, though?
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by devil_fingers on
Sep 8, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
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curse of gathright killed costa
but his beautious image lives on forever
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Sep 8, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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The image of Costa

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Sep 8, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
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"its all mental..........."
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Sep 8, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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he needs to put a little more curl on that hat brim
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by buddyball on
Sep 8, 2008 6:25 PM EDT
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Shealy isn't playing enough?
Is the only thing that would be “enough” is him starting every single game? Even I think Kaaihue should get some starts. And those two have started 4 out of the 6 starts since the call up.
Butler however, as weird as it seems to say this, should not be playing everyday anymore.
I couldn’t possibly disagree more. The Royals get more (for the present and the future) from him playing everyday than maximizing the number of at bats Shealy can give us. Shealy has very limited upside. What do the Royals get from maximizing his number of at bats? The knowledge that he might be a below average 1B who isn’t entirely embarrassing? I think we already know that. And that’s his upside. Sure, give him some playing time, but don’t let it cut into the playing time of a 1B/DH with real upside.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Sep 8, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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he could be a low-cost stopgap at 1B next year
with Butler at DH
and, again, i’m not saying Butler should get the Gload treatment, but sitting two or maybe three times a week isn’t terrible either, from where i sit
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Sep 8, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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You only sit two or three times a week?
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by devil_fingers on
Sep 8, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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I recommend more fiber in your diet
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by buddyball on
Sep 8, 2008 6:26 PM EDT
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He looks like a low-cost, below average 1B stopgap at 1B right now
What else would maximizing his playing time tell us? I think we know that he’s decent, but not very good right now. If he were to get 90 PA’s instead of 40 in September, I don’t think that would tell us much more. I’d much rather maximize the PA’s of a genuinely talented young player with upside.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Sep 8, 2008 2:18 PM EDT
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i guess it depends on what you make of what Butler is getting/doing now
as a non-scout/coach, I fully admit I basically don’t know what I’m talking about, and I certainly don’t know if there are certain specific mechanical things he may or may noyt be supposed to be working on down the stretch here
that being said, i’d think there would have to be some declining returns with regard to the benefit of 450 PAs versus 480, or whatever it is, and those may be much smaller than at the other end of the playing time spectrum
however, if you essetially think Shealy is what he is, or worse, then its probably not worth it to play him at all anyway
by royalsreview on
Sep 8, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
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Butler going into the Cleveland series
was hitting .475 in the last 10 games and Hillman saw two lefty starters in Jackson/Lee. Going forward maybe he sits some more, although I would greatly disagree with that choice.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on
Sep 8, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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Butler is really in a groove right now
and letting him finish the season out regularly might really help him going into next season. (Of course we can’t predict that it will but I like to think it helps more then sitting him.)
by I need more Esteban on
Sep 8, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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SHEALY FOREVER!
I do think Shealy AND Butler should be playing every day, even if it means Josie sits the bench. In fact, ESPECIALLY if it means Josie has to sit the bench.
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Sep 8, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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Bench Hoagy???!!! Someone is asking for an "ass clamping!"

NB for the faint of heart: It is probably not a good idea to do a google search for “ass clamping” or even just “clamps” with Google SafeSearch off. Even “Futurama clamps” can be a bit, um… (shudder)
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Sep 8, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
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people like futurama?
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Sep 8, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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If there are any people left
who haven’t had their brains destroyed forcing themselves to laugh at Family Guy and Malcolm in the Middle.
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by devil_fingers on
Sep 8, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
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People laugh at Malcolm in the Middle?
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on
Sep 8, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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Apparently
It was on for multiple years. What really shocks me is that people must be laughing at “Two and a Half Men”
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Sep 8, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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Two and a Half Men
huge in qatar
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by marbotty on
Sep 8, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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why did malcom keep getting emmy noms?
i never got that
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Sep 8, 2008 7:01 PM EDT
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layers, Onion-boy
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Sep 8, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
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Malcolm was a clever concept, it broke the mold
of live studio audience sit-coms with laugh tracks and was shot “drama” style, which many of the good sit-coms are now doing. It was a pioneer, it just got real old, real quick.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
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Sep 9, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
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Kids do not age well
On TV
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Sep 9, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
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Malcolm has aged alright
for a midget
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-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on
Sep 9, 2008 11:28 AM EDT
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Larry Sanders Show
I believe, was about 10 years ahead of Malcolm on all of the clever concepts you mentioned there.
Plus it was actually funny.
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Sep 10, 2008 3:00 AM EDT
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The Larry Sanders Show was gold
That last season was close to perfect. The guest apperences by David Duchovny were rib cracking funny.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
by James Quinn on
Sep 10, 2008 8:21 AM EDT
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Hoagie needs to go to the DL for his continual problems with his groin/legs
Problem partially solved — no more Guillen at DH for the rest of the season.
by Top Ramen on
Sep 8, 2008 5:40 PM EDT
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Are we really surprised that things aren't going as they should?
This was expected by the Royal Nation when we knew call-ups where coming. (at least it should have been)
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by 306008 on
Sep 8, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
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I think "as they should" is very debatable
It’s not like the Royals fan nation agrees on what should be done. Many (probably most) of us want Kaaihue to play everyday. Some want Kaaihue to play just a little. Some want Shealy to play almost everyday (at the expense of Butler). So no matter what Hillman does, a significant portion of the “Royals Nation” would say that he isn’t doing things as he should.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Sep 8, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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+1
that should be the real target. As so often on here, we’re caught between what we think “should” be done and what, realistically, we can expect Royals management to do.
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by devil_fingers on
Sep 8, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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Shealy has played 3 of the 5 games so I don’t really think that is all that bad. Butler was hot as hell for 10 games so he was gonna get the everyday AB’s. 5 out of 6 lefties means Kila wasn’t gonna play much.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on
Sep 8, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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my point was that Trey sits guys that get called up for multiple games
That’s what he is doing to Kila. I knew deep down that Kila wouldn’t play much early but I tried to ignore it. I think he’s playing Shealy enough, maybe not quite enough, but yeah, no one wants JoGui stealing Kila/Shealy ABs.
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by 306008 on
Sep 8, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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worked for Aviles
whether it was the reason or not can’t be determined, but giving Aviles a taste, then sitting him could have eased him into everything. The other side to it is that maybe he would’ve started crushing all along, we’ll never know.
by I need more Esteban on
Sep 8, 2008 4:36 PM EDT
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Pretty sure the reason for Aviles success isn't that Trey immediately benched him.
by djk royal on
Sep 8, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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and I wasn't trying to imply that it was
but the way it happened, did work. So one can’t say if it helped or hurt.
by I need more Esteban on
Sep 9, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
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You can't play everyone who gets called up in September every game
I think platooning Shealy and Kila is the best way to get the most playing time for the two of them, if that is one’s goal.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Sep 8, 2008 4:54 PM EDT
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That sounds like a challenge!
</ bob boone>
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by RoyalsRetro on
Sep 8, 2008 4:57 PM EDT
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It can be done
Everybody gets 3 innings per game. Problem solved.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Sep 8, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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just like Little League!
and everyone will get a trophy!
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by buddyball on
Sep 8, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
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just a bad, strange roster
the royals have too many 2Bs, too many LFs and too many 1B/DHs on the roster
and almost none of them can hit
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by LeoBloom on
Sep 8, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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yea
We have Callaspo and German (barely)…then…uh…uh…uh. Yep.
Too many second baseman.
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by doublestix on
Sep 8, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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And we had Grudz and Aviles is profiled by some to be more of a fit at 2b.
by djk royal on
Sep 8, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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we can make TPJ a 2B.
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by 306008 on
Sep 8, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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Maybe Gload with his grit.
Grit can play anywhere.
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by 306008 on
Sep 8, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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every SS is more of a fit at 2B
Aviles = shortstop
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by doublestix on
Sep 8, 2008 7:20 PM EDT
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and Jason Smith.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on
Sep 9, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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Butler should get as many at bats as possible, especially against RHP
Butler is the priority among that quartet (or quintet including Guillen). He is part of the future core and needs to improve against righties. September is the perfect time for him to get as much experience as possible against RHP because it comes consequence free. The same point applies to playing first. He needs more experience, not less, and the last three weeks of games really do not matter. Next April is a different story.
Both sides have valid arguments on the Kila versus Shealy debate. While I personally would prefer to give Kila more exposure to major league quality breaking balls and change ups (playing most of the year in AA, he saw major league caliber changes once, maybe twice per week), it is fair if the Royals want to give Shealy some extra plate appearances while deciding whether to cut him loose this offseason.
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Sep 8, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
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Pet Peeve
…acclimate him to the off-the-field side of professional baseball…
You mean, he hasn’t had enough acclimation in his previous several years of professional baseball?
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
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Sep 8, 2008 5:58 PM EDT
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Everything is different in the majors!
He’s got to learn the feel of the majors, like how to handle the hard-hitting KC area sports journalists.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Sep 8, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
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Alberto Callaspo = roving organizational instructor in the "off-the-field side of pro baseba;;"
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by devil_fingers on
Sep 8, 2008 6:28 PM EDT
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callaspo= another classic royal deadbeat
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by DyeFan187 on
Sep 8, 2008 7:06 PM EDT
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Yeah, except for his OBP
If only OBP were important.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Sep 8, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
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baseba;; ???
Is that another language? Canadian?
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by buddyball on
Sep 8, 2008 6:33 PM EDT
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yes
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by devil_fingers on
Sep 8, 2008 6:37 PM EDT
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I am in favor of letting The Bus continue hitting
my sense is that he is hitting better and with more power recently. Let him get in a groove to hold him over the off season.
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by buddyball on
Sep 8, 2008 6:34 PM EDT
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Guillen is the anti midas
but this lineup has tons of problems, from Gathright to Teahen to two catchers who don’t get on base for weeks at a time
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by DyeFan187 on
Sep 8, 2008 7:03 PM EDT
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butler since aug 1
.331/.338/.488
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by DyeFan187 on
Sep 8, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
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maybe the royals need the final 20 games to see what kind of a player Jome Run Jose is?
which one of the players we saw during the season (bad, amazing, really bad, injured, bad, then mediocre) is he really? he is a bigger investment than the Bussy Butler, Shealy, Kila Monster, and G-Load combined.
(but really I know that the reason is he would throw a fit if he were benched for more than two innings in a row)
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Sep 9, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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Or are hoping that his stats will improve a bit, making him easier to trade
Just a minor thought. It is possible that he is on a bit of a hot streak.
last 14 days – .333/.364/.476
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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Sep 9, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
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YES!

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by devil_fingers on
Sep 9, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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My analysis
The Royals faced 5 lefties in the 6 games, so the plan should have been 1 start for Kila, 5 starts for Shealy, and 6 for Butler.
I disagree with RR on Butler – I want him to play every day.
The REAL issue for me is that Shealy sat twice, essentially so JOEY GATHRIGHT could start against a LEFTY!
The organization still appears to be wildly overvaluing outfield defense, especially in home games. There approach might make some more sense if we were actually getting power production from the corner infield spots and DH – but to me, it is kinda stupid to replace what little potential power you do have with the likes of Gathright.
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Sep 9, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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+1
The overvaluing of Gathright’s defense is even more hilarious (and ironic) in the case of Jose Guillen’s contract and performance.
I can’t wait for them to trade for Brett Gardner AND sign Pat Burrell in the offseason…
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by devil_fingers on
Sep 9, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
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I would think that
we can find PT for Kila, Shealy, and Butler. As for Gload…who cares. Guy shouldn’t be in the lineup, period. If we have to be fair to Rossy…stick him in left field.
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Sep 9, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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Gload in LF?
Unfair to fans sitting in LF bleacher.
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by devil_fingers on
Sep 9, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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Would it be the worst thing in the entire world
to play either Shealy or Kila in LF? If your primary goal is to get a player AB, you are going to lose anyway, what the hell is the harm in rehashing the Ken Harvey experiment.
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Sep 10, 2008 2:08 AM EDT
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CONFUSION IN THE CLUBHOUSE!!!111
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by devil_fingers on
Sep 10, 2008 10:48 AM EDT
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i seem to remember Shealy
getting some PT in the outfield before he was a Royal.
(or maybe that’s what my PS2 game tells me)
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Sep 10, 2008 12:48 PM EDT
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Yeah, the Rox tried him in the OF and he was a disaster
It would be a really awful idea to call these guys up to the majors and start playing them at a different position they haven’t played in years (and in Kila’s case…ever).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
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