Trading Mark Teahen Redux
OK, I read the recent post calling for the trade of Teahen and the discussion that followed. I agreed with many of the points presented and disagreed with some as well.
The reason that I want to post this is because I feel I represent the average fan. I am not a big stats guy, I still rely mostly on the typical offensive stats of BA, HR, and RBI to judge a players performance. I have wondered many times this year about Mark Teahen and if the Royals should trade him. The guy doesn't hit for much power, his BA isn't much to write home about and he seems to ground out to second base at least a freakin' game!
That being said, I believe there is more to a player than his stats. I like to consider the presence the player brings to a clubhouse, the willingness to play through pain, and other intangibles that cannot be quantified. Mark Teahen is a guy that has a lot of intangibles. He is the type of player that I would want on my team. He plays hard, he runs the bases well (and no one can tell me that doesn't matter), he doesn't complain, and he can provide guidance for younger players. Simply put, the guy is a ball player.
With the possible price tag o f $3 million next year, I think Teahen would be worth the money for the service he can provide. Yes, the Royals need another power bat at the corner outfield position and I don't see this team being competitive with Teahen as a STARTER. But as a backup, the guy is almost invaluable. He can play all four corner positions. His defense in RF and at 1B is very respectable and his recent stint at 3B has been very solid. Plus, he could play LF if needed. Now, those are four positions, that one person could possibly fill in for if there is an injury or someone needs the day off. On top of that, he brings a left-handed bat in the lineup.
At least for right now and until someone else can prove their worth with that much versatility; I believe that he deserves a roster spot next year.
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1/25 or 4%
I think the hubbub over whether or not to tender Mark Teahen is a mountain which has been made out of the mole hill of $3M which would only amount to 1/25th or 4% of the Royals likely 2009 MLB payroll. Much ado about very little.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Sep 8, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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i agree
he should be on the team just because of the versatility…and bc his obp is way out of line w/ his career numbers this year…the guy has value…something like what we wanted out of ross gload but did not get
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Sep 8, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
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Eh
The reason that I want to post this is because I feel I represent the average fan. I am not a big stats guy, I still rely mostly on the typical offensive stats of BA, HR, and RBI to judge a players performance.
Then that makes it quite difficult to take any stats-based argument you make seriously.
But yes, I agree that there’s nothing wrong with keeping Teahen around as a sub.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Sep 8, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
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I though I said that....
and I didn’t it any way try to support my case with stats. So yes, if I had attempted to make a stats-based argument, you could blast me out of the water. But I didn’t.
-You play to win the game - Herm Edwards
by truebluetradition on
Sep 9, 2008 10:16 AM EDT
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I think he meant...
That he could ignore any stat based arguments that you make in the future. Sounds like he is one of those mean spirited republican types.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on
Sep 9, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
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I love Teahen
and want him to remain a Royal just because he has the best public persona of anybody on the team—a “face of the team” type guy. And yes, he’s got some fielding versatility (LF is probably not one of those positions—there’s a reason he and Guillen flip flopped early in the season, Guillen wasn’t going to go to LF willingly unless they all realized that it was much worse to keep Teahen in LF). But this end of the season opportunity to get him some reps at 3B could be the best thing that could happen to him and to KC, as he simply presents more value as an everyday 3B for someone else. While everyone concedes 2006 was a fluke, should he have some better than his season average offensive production while playing 3B, some other front office could conclude “It’s worth taking a chance to see if he gets more comfortable at the plate if he’s more comfortable in the field playing his ‘natural position’” and thus take a chance of him leveling out somewhere between 2006 and current production.
In short, if a team thinks he still has enough offensive upside worth giving him the 3B spot, the Royals can get more in trade for a starting 3B than a supersub on the roster is worth to them in 2009-2010. This gives Teahen a chance to start at 3B and the Royals a chance to get something positive for the return of competitiveness (now realistically scheduled for 2011). So, for the sake of everyone, trading Teahen makes the most sense.
Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.
by CentralChamps2009 on
Sep 9, 2008 1:22 AM EDT
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Good post
I think you make a good point about a clubhouse guy, with these young players, that can be more valuable than many of us know.
by I need more Esteban on
Sep 9, 2008 9:13 AM EDT
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We need more good clubhouse guys
CRASH DAVIS NOW!!
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on
Sep 9, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
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So long as we're not relying on him to produce many runs
I see no reason why we shouldn’t at least keep Mark around in case he finds the magic beans that produced his 2006 season.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Sep 9, 2008 10:28 AM EDT
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(insert steroid joke here)
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Sep 9, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
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THT
A few weeks ago, we took a look at the best/most valuable player for each team. This week, we’ll switch to investigating the worst/least valuable hitter for each team. Next week we’ll do the pitchers.
#25 Kansas City Royals (Dartboard Factor = 70, 69): Mark Teahan. So many choices here as Tony Pena, Joey Gathright and John Buck put up fights but are edged out by Teahan thanks again to defensive positioning. Teahan had a rough freshman year but seemed to shake it off in his sophomore season, but fell back in the year following (2007) and has suffered a complete collapse in 2008. Part of it is bad luck on BABIP, but his lack of power isn’t helping matters.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on
Sep 9, 2008 10:45 AM EDT
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Ouch! But not even a mention of Rossy
THT must be a big fan of GRIT!
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on
Sep 9, 2008 11:08 AM EDT
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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Sep 9, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
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THT doesn't have much knowledge?
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on
Sep 9, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
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Oy vey
No, I think that you are taking the fact that he’s been unproductive this year too far. And the reason THT put him on there instead of worse hitters is because Teahen has been overexposed as a starting corner OFer. Thankfully no one is calling for that to happen again.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Sep 9, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
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I was kidding I know what your original comment means
I just choose to ignore its REAL meaning. I’ll go with your explanation though.
Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin
by kcscoliny on
Sep 9, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
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I heart M.T.
The guy just plays baseball the right way. He’s a gritty, hustling grinder. Day in, day out. He leaves it all out there on the field. He’s the kind of player that would step in front of a bus for orphaned, inner-city pigeons if it meant they would get the opportunity to see just one baseball game before they died of some horrible, flesh-eating disease. His motor never stops. He just gets it. And he’s a snappy dresser.
I heart M.T.
OK. I like Teahen. I think he’s a good contributor. I’ve just sort of given up on him ever being more than that. Unfair? I dont think so. He’s had every opportunity to prove otherwise.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on
Sep 9, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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OK. I like Teahen. I think he’s a good contributor. I’ve just sort of given up on him ever being more than that.
I think about 95% of Royals agree with that. At least 90%.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Sep 9, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
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im part of that as anti-teahen as i have been...
im completely unopposed to paying him $3 million to backup the 4 corner positions and get 2-3 starts a week at those positions EXCLUSIVELY against righties
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
Sep 9, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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+1
I would say that is very fair.
by I need more Esteban on
Sep 9, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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Oh, how can I stay mad at you Mark?

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by RoyalsRetro on
Sep 9, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
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Poor Mark
I wonder how many times this season he’s been about to seal the deal, and the girl says, “Wait, you’re straight? Why did I let you see me in my underwear! I mean, you’re a fun guy to talk to and all, but I don’t think I want to… I mean, the calendar shoot! You’re telling me you aren’t… I guess, I just don’t like you that way.”
“You’re cool, but I don’t like you that way.” A fitting epitaph for Mark Teahen’s career as a Royals starter.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Sep 9, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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You can be festive, and still be straight
That is manly shade of red.

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by RoyalsRetro on
Sep 9, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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it's the turtleneck that gave it away...
he could pass the sweater off as lumberjack-esque.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on
Sep 9, 2008 4:50 PM EDT
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chuckle
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
by James Quinn on
Sep 10, 2008 3:54 AM EDT
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My problem with Mark on the team.
He cant play centerfield, so if he is the 4th outfielder we would have to put DDJ on the DL and bring up someone, instead of being able to give him a day off? So it keeps us from getting a corner outfielder who can’t play centerfield. Which may mean a lesser hitter. So, unless we get another centerfielder or tweener on the team, we can’t afford to carry Mark. If we keep Mitch and Mark, then one of them starts, which will most likely be Teahen, which would be the same as this year, and no one seems to want that. So, his staying really depends on who else we get or don’t get in FA/trade market.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on
Sep 9, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
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Not a problem
So it keeps us from getting a corner outfielder who can’t play centerfield
Not really. Bring in a good hitting corner OFer and then the 4-man bench becomes:
Backup catcher
Teahen (4-corner utility man)
German (utility IFer)
Gathright/Maier (5th OFer and primary CF backup)
And since German makes a poor SS, he can be traded or non-tendered and a better defensive utility IFer brought in.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Sep 9, 2008 5:59 PM EDT
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That I would agree with except for German being a utility IF.
The guy just can’t field and his bat just isn’t what it was in 2006. I would let German go.
by djk royal on
Sep 9, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
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I can see both sides of it
I don’t know what he’ll get in arb, and I know his D sucks, but I also don’t think German got enough ABs (especially earlier in the year) do say that this indicates his real ability.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Sep 9, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
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I guess that might work
If we don’t have a Shealy/Kila platoon, I guess I was factoring that in
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on
Sep 9, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
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Then again the royals could go
with a five man bench, which I don’t think is that bad, considering Grinke and Meche tend to go pretty deep into the game. I can also see no spot for German, because Furcal signs. Multiple ways mulitple Royals bench players fit and multiple ways they do not fit, just too early to tell I guess.
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by BabyBlues on
Sep 9, 2008 6:43 PM EDT
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I guess...
since the season is already over and all.
We’ll find out. Give it time.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
by 306008 on
Sep 11, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
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