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Deric Ladnier fired as Scouting Director

JJ Picollo will be Ladnier's replacement.  I'm curious about this on many levels.  I know Ladnier has been responsible for Draft scouting and scouting on many levels since 2000.  I do not know what his supposed specialties were, but I'm guessing it was not evaluating hitters.  Does anyone have any specific information about his specific signings, recommendations, or scouting opportunities?  What are Piccolo's specialties and strengths?  Hopefully this is a sign for future overhaul within the Royals scouting ranks.  Lord knows we need all the help we can get.

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Dayton means business

Everything must go !!!

Every fight is a food fight when you’re a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

by kcscoliny on Sep 9, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All I really know is that Ladnier ran the draft

And I remember that he’s the scout who found Kila. JJ was promoted to Asst. GM earlier this season, probably in anticipation of this move. Clearly the pitching side of the scouting has been working and the hitting side hasn’t. So hopefully this will improve that.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Sep 9, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

picollo's taking over

No surprise. He just wanted his guy in there…

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by doublestix on Sep 9, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ladnier has been...

…an astounding failure. How can I say this? Not enough success from non-first-round picks. And he drafted Colt Griffin. …Sigh. And Stodolka—-as a pitcher.

Ladnier’s failure might simply be the product of a lousy developmental system. But as the leader, he has to take the fall. – TL

by timlacy on Sep 9, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting... Isn't he a former Braves guy, too?

Who did who:

(that’s what she said)

Butler
Gordon
Kila
DDJ
Aviles
MITCH
Buck
Teahen

Gload
TPJ
Gathright
Guillen

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Sep 9, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll always wonder...

…about the Hochevar pick/signing, too (at #1 overall), which I still don’t quite get (though I’m sure he will improve). Whose call was it? Hochevar was chosen just after Moore was hired, but supposedly Moore had no say in the pick due to his remaining obligations to the Braves and their draft. I’ve always found it hard to believe that Moore didn’t at least give his approval through some channels… I would like to know who pushed for Hochevar at # 1 and to what degree Moore (or Ladnier) influenced the pick.

Also, I wonder…did the Hosmer situation play into this firing whatsoever, and if so, to what degree? I doubt it did, but you know Moore can’t be happy that this kid isn’t playing right now…just throwing it out there as one potential factor among many others in the firing.

by cookierojas73 on Sep 9, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Talking out of my rear (as always)

but I’d say the Hosmer pick has little or nothing to do with this, given what information we have about him now. He seems like a DMGM kind of guy.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Sep 9, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This could just be the setting of the clock for the roster

Explosion that is about to happen this summer.

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Sep 9, 2008 11:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i wonder

how much of this offseason talk by Dayton is going to happen, or to what extent. I wouldn’t be against a “blow up”. It doesn’t seem likely we will contend in 2010 unless we make HUGE strides forward next year.

Alex Gordon in '08

by RoyalJHWKR on Sep 10, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a Gload Explosion?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Sep 10, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always liked Ladnier

but I couldn’t tell you why

by raefzilla on Sep 10, 2008 12:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He wasn't Allard Baird

That was his best quality IMO.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Sep 10, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's just Moore taking over bit by bit

I’m surprised Ladnier made it through the last two drafts—I figured he was a goner from the start.

It’s almost unfair to post-mortem him, as he had the constraints of the Baird-era Glasses and their unreasonable budgetary demands to deal with. But the Royals cupboard has been bare for ages, and if the scouting director isn’t somewhat responsible, then who else is?

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Sep 10, 2008 12:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Quick reaction

The Royals have not drafted well in a long while. At this point the 2005-2007 drafts all look pretty poor to me in particular (I know, not everyone agrees with me yet.) The 2001 and 2002 drafts were piss poor. 2003 and 2004, ehhh. Not all this can be blamed on tight finances. Hochevar and Moustakas both appear to have been significantly over-valued by my perspective. This is also true to a lesser degree regarding Gordon. Looks to me like Ladnier was not doing a bang-up job evaluating draft choices.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Sep 10, 2008 3:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Total speculation

But my guess is the Hochevar selection was a big reason why Ladnier was dumped. He has not really panned out like a #1 pick should.

But who knows, it could have been difference in philosophy, or maybe Dayton got word that a buddy from the Braves is willing to replace Deric soon, or maybe Deric slept with Dayton’s wife.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Sep 10, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SHAKEN TO THE CORE

From Ladnier’s soon-to-be-deleted Royals.com biography:

Deric Ladnier, a former player in the Royals minor league system, was named the Royals Senior Director-Scouting on Aug. 21, 2000. He came to the Royals from the Atlanta Braves where he was most recently a Major League Scout. He joined the Braves Scouting Department as an Area Supervisor in 1991 and was promoted to Regional Supervisor in 1994, Assistant Director of Scouting and Player Development in 1995 and Director of Minor League Operations in 1996. As a Major League Scout, he covered Spring Training, the American and National League Central Divisions and assisted Braves General Manager John Schuerholz with special assignments. Throughout his tenure with the Braves, he scouted the Winter Leagues including the Dominican Republic, Venezuela and Mexico.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Sep 10, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Correct me if my understanding of the timing is incorrect, but the 2006 draft took place after we had fired Baird but before Moore had officially joined, and because of that, Ladnier was in charge of the Royals’ draft strategy.

If that is the case, then I would agree with you, since Ladnier functionally was the GM who picked Hoch, and the buck stops with him.

by DarthYoshi on Sep 10, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bygones...

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Sep 10, 2008 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

would that be david price?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Sep 10, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by marbotty on Sep 12, 2008 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't we only have to lose ONE of them?

And instead we swept ’em. lol.

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by doublestix on Sep 12, 2008 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CLUTCH

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Sep 12, 2008 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My feeling

is that there are clubs out there that survive and even thrive with cheap ownerhsip (Minnesota, Oakland, and Florida) that the small-market argument only holds so much weight.

The bigger problem is that, given certain constraints, the Baird/Ladnier/Jackson regime was really unable to identify and develop enough talent to make the team competitive. I’ll be honest, I had a huge problem with Baird because I thought he was totally full of shit. He loved to throw out his little pet sayings, but that just masked the fact that he didn’t know what the fuck he was doing. How else to explain that he worked nearly 24 hours a day but to try and compensate for his lack of ability. I would submit that he and Gunther Cunningham have/had a lot in common.

A mentor of mine has said, “don’t confuse activity with progress”. I think that is a lesson that Baird never learned.

A cheap owner and shrewd GM, the team can thrive. A bad GM and an owner willing to open the pocketbook to cover his mistakes, the team can survive.

A cheap, meddling owner and a terrible GM, well you get the current state of affairs for the KC Royals.

I hereby resign from this post.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 10, 2008 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I blame Glass mostly

there is cheap and then there is only giving $1k to tons of draft picks. You can’t abandon the core of team building and then get upset when it comes back to hurt you. Think about it, the year he abandoned the draft ’03 KC was competitive, that tells me he wanted to spend money in one area but ignore the other.

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Sep 10, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch -- Aviles will convince him it was the right way to go!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Sep 10, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Recent draft picks

Hochevar—far from inspirational first season, but remember, the “can’t miss” best prospect of the draft was Andrew Miller. This season? 5-9 with a 5.63 ERA in the National League. Career so far? 10-15 with a 5.66 ERA in parts of 3 seasons. To say now that Lincecum was the guy is simply 20/20 hindsight: everyone was saying before the draft that there’s no way his body holds up for a career (and we won’t know how that works out for at least a couple more seasons).

Moustakas—granted, Wieters had a great season, Moose’s season after the really slow first month was more than solid. Winds up being the offensive leader of what could be the first Royals affiliate in ages to be champs of their league and led the pitcher-friendly Midwest League in HR.

Again, I think this was simply a system change and a preference for Piccolo’s supervision as opposed to punishing Ladnier for any specific pick.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Sep 11, 2008 8:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

right on

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by doublestix on Sep 11, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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