Most Shutouts By a Royal Pitcher During the '00s
- Darrell May- 3
- Brian Anderson- 2
- Paul Byrd- 2
- Jeff Suppan- 2
- A Host of Random Guys - 1
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I expect Greinke and Meche to rocket up the charts in the very near future
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by NYRoyal on Jan 15, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you would think so
but I doubt it on Meche
he has 2 in his career
by royalsreview on Jan 15, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, its a somewhat silly stat
but no shutouts by a royal in ’07 or ’08
somehow, the ’06 team had 5
by royalsreview on Jan 15, 2009 6:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
actually, I'm not sure on that '06 total
redman and runelyvs each had one… that’s all i’m seeing
by royalsreview on Jan 15, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt there will be one this year, either
unless ZG strikes out 27 or every ball is hit to Aviles
by dn_311 on Jan 15, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Better be flyball because our first baseman wonly be able to catch 27 straight throws...
..maybe Shealy, but he will be traded/release
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jan 15, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thus, we must bring back Gload!
(even though Shealy is better)
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by devil_fingers on Jan 15, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you have a proven closer to use
you tend to have fewer complete-game shutouts.
If you know the alternative is Ricky Bottalico or Ambiorix Burgos, you leave the starter in.
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by cmkeller on Jan 15, 2009 6:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Banny?
I thought he had one or two the past couple years.
Maybe not.
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by doublestix on Jan 15, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
1 CG in 2007 and 1 CG in 2008
But no SHO.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 15, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
vs OAK in 2007 and vs MIN in 2008.
yea who’s the nerd that remembers that.
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by doublestix on Jan 15, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have those games tattooed on my brain
They were the best of times…
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by NYRoyal on Jan 15, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i remember oakland
because i was there.
great game.
by wildthang on Jan 15, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually if Hochevar is even a league average SP, I wouldn't be surprised if he managed one
If average, he’s going to have some outings where he’s really good, inducing all kinds of groundballs and getting some strikeouts. And he works so efficiently that he could go 9 innings without a huge pitch count.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 15, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yes
luke should get some.
remember his game against Colorado. that was awesome.
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by doublestix on Jan 15, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure was
Yet Soria was brought in to pitch the ninth.
Pitchers ain’t gonna get credited with complete-game shutouts when the closer rules.
Heck, I wonder how many Yankee pitchers have gotten credited with shutouts in this decade, given Mariano Rivera’s closing.
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by cmkeller on Jan 15, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yankee shutout leaders in the '00s
Mike Mussina – 8
David Wells – 2
Andy Pettite – 2
6 others with 1 each
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by cmkeller on Jan 15, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Zack will pass that total by himself this year
I’m predicting 30 CG Shutouts this year by Greinke
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by kcscoliny on Jan 15, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
actually
Zack will be pitching on 3 days rest this year. My super inside secret sources told me.
Try 44 CG shutouts. I’m not counting playoffs either.
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by doublestix on Jan 15, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speculation !!!
I’ve heard those rumors but I didn’t want to count on hearsay.
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by kcscoliny on Jan 15, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget they aren't marketing Billy Butler this season!!!11
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by devil_fingers on Jan 15, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Darrell May?
really? wow.
I was looking through box scores, he did it against the Rangers against a lineup of Michael Young, A-Rod, Palmeiro, and Teixeira. Jeeze.
He also did it against the Orioles, And his other shutout was against the Marlins but that one was cheating because it was of the 5 inning rain shortened variety.
by Royal from Queens on Jan 15, 2009 7:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rain Shortened game=Steroids for hitters
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by kcscoliny on Jan 15, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
It’s like being proud of winning 2nd place in a 2 person race.
by Royal from Queens on Jan 15, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
May Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111103/00000000000000000000
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by philofthenorth on Jan 16, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh wow.
ohwowohwowohwow.
Pecota, watch over us.
by castille on Jan 15, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A Host of Random Guys was a decent prospect
But he blew out his arm.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 15, 2009 9:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't That Sean
Penn’s new love child’s name?
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by philofthenorth on Jan 16, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Miguel Asencio had one back in 2003
but after looking it up, it was just a CG. It was completely random because he always had trouble with control and keeping his pitch count down. So that game they had him throw a simulated inning before the game started. He then threw another nine innings.
Then he blew out his arm two games later.
by Top Ramen on Jan 15, 2009 10:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fewest career IP as a Royal for a pitcher that threw a shutout
1. Jamey Wright 2003 – 25 2/3 IP, 1 SH
2. Eric Rasmussen 1983 – 52 2/3, 1 SH
3. Tom Murphy 1972 – 70 1/3, 1 SH
4. Dennis Rasmussen 1992-1995 – 76 2/3 , 1 SH
5. Monty Montgomery 1971-1972 – 77 2/3, 1 SH
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 15, 2009 10:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Random Guys
Runelvys Hernandez
Mark Redman
Jamey Wright
Dan Reichert
Makoto Suzuki
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 15, 2009 10:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Most CG in 2000s
1. Paul Byrd – 8
2. Darrell May – 7
2. Jeff Suppan – 7
4. Brian Anderson – 4
5. Zack Greinke – 3
Jimmy Gobble tossed a CG once????
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 15, 2009 10:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
they gave up on Gobble as a starter too early.
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by doublestix on Jan 15, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but the team managed his career as a reliever so very very well you can't criticise them for it
by royalsreview on Jan 15, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Turkinator Would
Pitch a perfect game against a team of Exgloadinators.
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by philofthenorth on Jan 16, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really bad stats in 43 career starts
I think they stuck with him as a starter for too long. But given the crappy quality of the pitching they had at the time, I don’t blame them for continuing to give him a shot.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 15, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
an 89 ERA+ as a 22 yr old on a horrible team isn't "really bad"
by royalsreview on Jan 15, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How bad did he need to be?
That season was also an 81 tRA+. And he didn’t really improve as a starter after that. I didn’t see his starting pitching abilities develop. In short, he stunk. The only thing he’s ever been good at as a Royal is as a LOOGY reliever.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 15, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i just dont get how you can say that they gave gobble enough time....
yet giving bannister another entire seasons’ worth of shittiness before you declare him shitty…even when he’s supposed to be in his peak, rather than still very young
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Jan 15, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess you could argue that since Gobble wasn't a stuff guy
he had nowhere to develop to
but yea, I kinda agree with billybeingbilly here
dude was 22
was there an injury in there somewhere that i’m forgetting? that may have been a factor
by royalsreview on Jan 15, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And he had starts at age 23 and 24 too
And didn’t pitch well then either. Then at age 25 we’re at the 2007 season. Should he have been in the rotation then too? He never showed either good performance as a starter or the good stuff that would lead you to believe that he’d ever become a good starter. Yet they still gave him 43 starts to prove himself. Basically he was Bannister without the good season.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 15, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in the spirit of gobble, i will press on
in 2005 he made four starts toward the end of the season, his ERA as a starter was 4.67, basically league average
in 2006 he struggled as a starter, that is true, era over 6.00
i don’t know why he was ay less acceptable as a #5 starter in 2007 than JDLR, Scott Elarton, Billy Buckner, Odalis Perez or Davies
sure, he probably would have failed, but a generic starter is much more valuable than a reliever, and there is something to be said for trying
by royalsreview on Jan 16, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2005, while the ERA was ok (below average), we all know the limitations of that stat. His tRA+ was 34. 34! Yikes.
i don’t know why he was ay less acceptable as a #5 starter in 2007 than JDLR, Scott Elarton, Billy Buckner, Odalis Perez or Davies
JDLR, Buckner and Davies all had better upside potential than Gobble. The Royals needed to give them a shot more than Gobble. I think Odalis was clearly better and I didn’t mind one mediocre vet anchor in the rotation. With Elarton, you’ve got a good point, but Elarton of course made only 9 starts for the Royals that year, so Gobble wasn’t mostly competing with him.
sure, he probably would have failed, but a generic starter is much more valuable than a reliever, and there is something to be said for trying
To their credit, the Royals saw that Gobble wasn’t particularly good as a starter or a reliever to that point, so they tried to find something he would be good at. So he learned a new semi-sidearm delivery which made him dominant against lefty batters. So moving him full-time to the bullpen gave him the opportunity to finally be an asset to his team at something: being a LOOGY. That was a positive move. Wasting more time in the rotation wouldn’t have been better than that for him or for the Royals.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 16, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between Bannister and Gobble
Bannister had one pretty good season which shows that he can at least manage a pretty good season as a starter. Gobble never managed one.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 15, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bannister had one pretty good season which shows that he can at least manage a pretty good season as a starter. Gobble never managed one.
Bannister had one lucky season. That’s about all we know
by royalsreview on Jan 16, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bannister had one lucky season. That’s about all we know
His FIP and tRA weren’t all or even mostly luck. So yeah, there’s a big performance difference between Gobble and Bannister.
Trust me, if Moore/Bell and Moore/Hillman kept trotting Gobble out there to get hammered as a starter again and again, you would have quickly heaped scorn and ridicule on them.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 16, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We actually don't know if it was a lucky season
We know that the results were good, and his BABIP was low. We can reasonably expect that the good results were largely a result of the low BABIP, but we have no clue why his BABIP was low. It’s possible that it was nothing but luck, and that Bannister is like most pitchers wherein when a hitter puts the ball in play, there is a 30% chance it will fall for a hit, and that by pure chance, out of about 525 balls in play, only 141 fell for hits (27). If you’re looking at that season alone, statistics would suggest that it’s highly unlikely that it was luck alone. If I had my TI-83 handy, I’d run the numbers, but the chances that if you took 525 samples from a population that returns positive 30 of the time that you’d end up with a less than or equal to a 27% positive rate by chance are likely on the order of 1. In other words, if we were to look at that season, there is roughly a 99 chance that something other than luck was working to lower Bannister’s BABIP that season.
by kcdc1 on Jan 16, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
forgot some % signs there
In 2007, roughly 27% of batted balls pitched by Bannister were hits. The league average was roughly 30. Over 500+ samples, it’s quite unlikely that a 2007 Brian Bannister batted ball had a 30 chance of falling for a hit, but by chance alone, the sample showed only 27% falling for hits.
by kcdc1 on Jan 16, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BA could't have made more than 20 starts as a royal, right?
actually… just looked it up 39 total
by royalsreview on Jan 15, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And he was the Opening Day starter in 2004
Kind of says it all about the 2004 Royals, doesn’t it?
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by cmkeller on Jan 16, 2009 1:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
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