The Arbitration Guys: Greinke, Teahen, Jacobs, Etc.

by LeoBloom on Jan 16, 2009 5:35 PM EST Comment 36 comments

KANSAS CITY -- Seven Royals, including 13-game winner Zack Greinke and newly acquired slugger Mike Jacobs, filed for salary arbitration on Thursday.

Also filing were pitchers Brian Bannister, Joel Peralta and Jimmy Gobble, catcher John Buck, and outfielder Mark Teahen.

I'm surprised this many guys had to file (i.e. didn't sign before hand). I think the Major League average is about three per team, so this is a pretty hefty total.

I can't wait to see how low Greinke's payout is because he only had 13 pitcher wins!

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I can’t wait to see how low Greinke’s payout is because he only had 13 pitcher wins!

I don’t think that is a good thing. The last thing the Royals want to do with Zack is get in a courtroom like hearing with him and state why his value is lower than he and his agent believe.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 16, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

what could possibly go wrong with that scenario?

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jan 16, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

I never noticed the resemblance Zack has to Jack Nicholson before.

No… really, he does… or maybe YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

by Shooter on Jan 19, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They likely won't actually go to an arbitration hearing

They are just exchanging numbers and most, if not all, will come to an agreement beforehand for a compromise amount, which is what happened last year. I think the average is more than three per major league team.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 16, 2009 11:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Most of the time, the teams seem to settle these

contracts before arbitration. So Yep.

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by NHZ on Jan 18, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My estimates

Greinke 5M
Jacobs 3.5M
Teahen 3.25M
Buck 3.25M
Gobble 1.75M
Peralta 1M

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by NYRoyal on Jan 16, 2009 11:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Greinke 5M – I think it will be more like $7, or these talks will lead to an extension
Jacobs 3.5M
Teahen 3.25M – more like $4 based on non-production #‘s (AB’s, GP) and versatility
Buck 3.25M – I’d think it would be a little lower than that, like 2.5
Gobble 1.75M – OMG, I fuggin hope not, but that is probably a pretty accurate #
Peralta 1M – needs to be released

by GoBabies!! on Jan 17, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think 1M is actually that bad for Peralta

but if he can be released and resigned to an MiLB or split-deal, so be it.

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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's a great value for Peralta

He’s a pretty good reliever, period.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 17, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

if only he knew how to pack his own suitcase

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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's the main reason

they’re going to move the Omaha Royals to KCK!

meat

by kabrink on Jan 17, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

never underestimate the power of denial

by GoBabies!! on Jan 17, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Da Nile?

Now where’s that again?

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by kabrink on Jan 17, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That'd be awesome then Omaha would be

Cubstown officially

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by kcscoliny on Jan 17, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Move the T-Bones there!

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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope gonna have our own American Association team there

playing in an empty 22000 seat stadium

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by kcscoliny on Jan 17, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think that's about right

I’m not sure I want to live in a world where Jimmy Gobble makes $1.75 million, but we’ll see if he actually ends up making a Major League roster by April.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 17, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

In order to save money and pay him only 1/6th of that, they'll have to cut him well before April

I don’t know the deadline, but it is something like 30 or 45 days before opening day, I think.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 17, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Gobble could bounce back, youneverknow

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by NHZ on Jan 18, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately, it is usage based

Gobble only struggled last year against righties. He dominated lefties yet again. If Hillman would use him as a LOOGY, he’d be an asset and flippable in July.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 18, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, I know.

Though LOOGYs aren’t worth much anyway, Hillman certainly nerfed what value Gobble had last year.

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by NHZ on Jan 18, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

might as well just say fuck it now and DFA him....

hillman is going to cost us games by not knowing how to use gobble….even fucking buddy bell could figure that out…hell, if i printed the stats out and gave my mom 5 mins to look at them she could see how to use him

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 18, 2009 5:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

good thing

you can just walk upstairs and ask her!

meat

by kabrink on Jan 18, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

tigers may get hammered by arb-raises this year

Detroit Tigers
Gary Glover rhp 5.090
Edwin Jackson rhp 3.070
Gerald Laird c 4.077
Aquilino Lopez rhp 2.152
Fernando Rodney rhp 5.137 (re-signed 1/14/09, 1 year/$2.7M)
Ramon Santiago inf 4.095
Bobby Seay rhp 4.118
Marcus Thames of 4.108 (re-signed 1/14/09, 1 year/$2.275M)
Justin Verlander rhp 3.002
Joel Zumaya rhp 3.000

by royalsreview on Jan 17, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

the Phillies will too

Howard. Hamels.

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by doublestix on Jan 17, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hamels just signed a three year deal

Word is Howard is going to arbitration and wants hella money.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 17, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The rumours are are $15-17m being Howards proposal

according to Stark. And another Arb year next year… He might up end up taking a BIG paycut when he hits Free Agency, the way his salary is ramping up.

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by kcbottom9th on Jan 17, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

XM said he'll probably ask for 20M

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by kcscoliny on Jan 17, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

of course, the phillies probably WANT to pay him that much

look at their Ibaez reasoning

by royalsreview on Jan 17, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

heh

if howard gets 20M, it may be the first time a player straight up get overpaid in arb. vs. the FA market. Wouldn’t it? I mean, based on what we expect form him, not counting guys who got hurt, or mysteriously just started to suck

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by devil_fingers on Jan 18, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Great deal for the Phils

see R. J. Anderson’s post on BtBS

I guess this cancels out a bit of the stench of the Ibanez fiasco

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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Its an ok deal but they didn't get any of his

FA years.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 17, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe they'll just treat him like

the Cubbies did Prior and Wood, then his FA years won’t be worth jack.

by Warden11 on Jan 17, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Great point.

Bill James in his abstracts used to wonder if teams wouldn’t just use their potential free agents like disposable labor and not care if they blew up their arms. Instead, most teams have babied their pitchers along as if they still own them forever. Maybe the cynical but efficient way to operate is the Billy Martin A’s of the 100 complete games a year.

by hunter s. royal on Jan 18, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs