From the Anti-"Mother's Basement" Royals Blog, now less than 24 hours old ~RN
http://haplessroyals.blogspot.com/
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But there is a dark side. The side of the internet I want to systematically destroy. The holier than thou, I know everything about baseball, Baseball Prospectus followers (otherwise known as "Mom's Basement"). Now, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the website. Why is that you ask? Because they fucking charge for it! And I'm not about to pay for some shit that their mindless lemmings will post REPEATEDLY on every blog, forum and whatnot on the internet. You know who you are. The guy that goes into the forum and posts EVERY made up stat known to nerdly mankind. WARP, VORP, WHIP, BABIP, and every other weirdo stat that website has brainwashed into your daily lexicon. I don't even know what half of that shit means. But here's what I do know. YOU, yes YOU, Mom's Basement, are NOT Royals fans. You're not even baseball fans. You're STAT fans. You don't care if Jose Guillen hit 20 hrs and 90 rbis last year, something that no other Royals had done in longer that most people care to admit. All you care about is that his FRUP isn't up to VORP standards. You don't care that Mark Teahen gives more to the community of Kansas City than anyone else not named Frank White. All you care about is that he isn't the moneyball fanboy you all pegged him to be after reading that ridiculous book a few years ago. And so on and so on.
My point is, give it up. Stop pushing your stupid fucking opinions on everyone else. Just because you're a moderator or administrator of a fucking Royals website does not mean you're not a scrawny little man in real life. Everyone hates you, both on the interwebs and in real life, although you hardly notice in real life because for that to happen, you know, you'd have to put on some clothes and leave your fucking desk. But make sure you ask Mom for permission to leave the house. She still worries about you even though you're 30 and still living at home. Oops, I'm sorry I forgot, you moved into your own apartment. But, uh, guy, your Mom's basement, even if it has its own entrance is still Mom's house.
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I always knew Dayton Moore had a dark side
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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually
given the Guillen’s “quality,” as well as human interest references, and, above all, the Mom’s Basement thing, I’d say the most likely culprit is a bitter, unemployed Jeffrey Flanagan.
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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 4:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I had the same exact thought about five minutes into reading his more recent posts. I’m still honestly trying to figure out if this guy is for real. I have no doubt there are people out there that are this obscene, thickheaded, and overall ridiculous, but it just seems so over-the-top and forced that I’m tempted to think he’s doing it all on purpose just get under people’s skin.
by RoyalsFanInBillings on Jan 20, 2009 1:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by devil_fingers on Jan 20, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, insecure, much?
It really pisses me off when people try to tell me that I must hate baseball because I happen to like numbers. I happen to LOVE baseball very much. I get very emotional about it; the Royals’ performance dictates my mood, I get attached to players for all kinds of reasons – statistical or personal or whatever. Just because I occasionally descend from that cloud of emotion for my team does not mean I have no heart.
This guy’s own ignorance and insecurity must be terribly hard to live with.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on Jan 17, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My insecurity is actually very easy to live with
And I doubt you get attached to players for all kinds of reasons, just the one Joel Peralta told me about.
by DrThunder on Jan 18, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to be
this guy. RN, you know him?
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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the more I think about it (whic hisn't much)
the more I think the new blog might be a parody, a la the Nation of Islam Sports Blog
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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He is an active member of RoyalBoard and Royals Nation (as he mentioned in the blog). Also, he contributed over at The Royal Treatment, which is more or less a fansite in that multiple people can post (but I’ve done most of the posting, recently).
by Royals Nation on Jan 17, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The best line...
“although you hardly notice in real life because for that to happen, you know, you’d have to put on some clothes and leave your fucking desk.”
That just inspired me to wear pants today.
by Tubmin on Jan 17, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Although I would disagree with much of the content
I find this blog hilarious and entertaining. Differing opinions can be so, which is why I watch Bill O’Reilly from time to time.
I actually kind of hope this blog lasts longer than my notoriously short-lived “Retaining The Core” blog, which lasted but several weeks. (Revisionist history —→ I quickly realized that Dayton Moore was not and would never read my blog, hence the fact that 6 months later, not one Royal has been ‘retained.’ ……….sigh)
by Royals Nation on Jan 17, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing this one won't last
unless you keep pimping it (!)
C’mon. Spill the beans. It’s either Flanny, or this is the offseason project assigned to Jin Wong.
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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
Unless it’s them in disguise (it’s not), it’s poster sfcchase at Royals Nation and poster Dr. Thunder at RoyalBoard. Strange that he is anti-stat, because I remember him being fervently against Buddy Bell as Royals manager.
by Royals Nation on Jan 17, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was only against Buddy Bell
because he was named “Buddy”. There’s only one Buddy worth his weight in Salt, and that’s Buddy Lembeck.
by DrThunder on Jan 18, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, crap, I forgot to link the blog!
by Royals Nation on Jan 17, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OK, now I'm starting to think it's YOU
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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Has my frustration toward recent negativity at RR led some people to believe I don’t understand VORP?
Actually, I don’t. But I do understand GWRBI, wins, saves, and BA/RISP!!!
Signed,
Old guy
by Royals Nation on Jan 17, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question:
Is the Royals fan internet community more stat-oriented than other teams?
It kind of seems that way to me, but I don’t really have a good gauge for it.
by raefzilla on Jan 17, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know, I don't follow much else
my general impression is that the SBNation boards are pretty stat-oriented in general
The Mariners internet people are very informed, and out of that group came Stat Corner
Athletics Nation is pretty stat-oriented, as you’d expect
but I don’t follow that stuff much
I think Halos Heaven might stand out as pretty anti-sabermetric, although, ironically, Seean “CHONE” Smith is an Angels fan…
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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Royals internet community is fairly small
and by coincidence many of the big sites/blogs/people leaned staty
I think overall, most fans online are fairly similar I’d say
by royalsreview on Jan 17, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is quite a polarization in the Royals fanbase, it seems
Internet community (10-15) = largely sabermetric, pro-stat
General/casual fanbase (85-90) = rigidly blue-collar (anti-sabermetric or apathetic to advanced stats)
Franchises like the Mariners, Red Sox, and A’s would probably hold a larger saber-influenced fanbase, b/c of the way their franchises are run. I’m probably generalizing, here, but coastal cities, I think, would be more saber….while midwestern or blue collar regions (Midwest, Great Lakes) would be more traditional. I dunno.
by Royals Nation on Jan 18, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a question
Why is anyone “anti-sabermetric”? I guess I can understand apathy to advanced stats, sabermetrics, new research and questioning traditional baseball orthodoxy. But why be against those things? That’s what I don’t get about his “hapless” guy. He isn’t just a traditionalist who isn’t interested in looking into VORP and other advanced metrics, which would be fine. He thinks that these things are awful, hurting baseball and those who know them are not real baseball fans. What is the source of this oddly intense negative sentiment? I wish he explained it on his blog. Instead, he basically said, “I don’t like those people; they suck.”
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by NYRoyal on Jan 19, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just read the blog
i am more convinced than ever this is a parody
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by devil_fingers on Jan 19, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish it was
But he’s for real. There are sooooooooooo many fans that think that way. “Don’t bother me with your new, made up stats like WHIP. That’s stupid. All you need to know is Avg, BA, HR and RBI. The rest is just nerdy bullshit.” I will guarantee you that this guy is 100% the genuine article. And, for some reason, many of them hate fans who talk about stats they don’t understand or look at the game in a somewhat different way. This guy just took it one step further and created his own blog to celebrate his ignorance and hatred. Actually, I guess that’s pretty common on the internet.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 19, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Royals just have a HUGE following from famous staticians like Rany, Rob and Bill James
by MtRoyals on Jan 29, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet you guys found my blog. jk or am I
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
by kcscoliny on Jan 17, 2009 6:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll be found dead by 2010
Unless he comes for Rany first.
by royalsreview on Jan 17, 2009 7:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Now that's a rant!
I guess I value both stats and scouting. I just love baseball and look at the stats as a way of enhancing the experience.
by lordbyronk on Jan 17, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
very funny
he’s kinda right. if people don’t wanna learn advanced stats they really shouldn’t be made fun of or “forced” to learn them just to be part of a discussion.
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by doublestix on Jan 17, 2009 7:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
because clearly he's very polite and anti-making fun of people
by royalsreview on Jan 17, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wasn't talking about him in particular
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by doublestix on Jan 17, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, people shouldn't be FORCED to learn about stats.
Nor should stat-people be expected to dumb down the level of discourse for the anti-stat people’s sakes.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on Jan 17, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
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by doublestix on Jan 17, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More specifically
You don’t have to learn it. I don’t have to learn anything about civil engineering, either. But then I’d have to be real jerk to argue with civil engineers about how to build bridges…
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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I know about bridges is,
build one and get over it.
by Warden11 on Jan 17, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this part
You’re STAT fans. You don’t care if Jose Guillen hit 20 hrs and 90 rbis last year, something that no other Royals had done in longer that most people care to admit.
by royalsreview on Jan 17, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Itz all about the RBIZZZZZZZZZZ!
Get with it peeps.
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by kcbottom9th on Jan 17, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm telling you, it's Dayton
well, he’s too good a baseball man to use a computer. I’m sure Jin Wong’s doing it.
Or maybe Mats Olkin, so he can deny being a full-time Royals employee
[Everyone noticed what RR is pointing out, right? Something someone might care about getting right?]
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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is Sluggggerrrrrrrrr
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by buddyball on Jan 18, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Friggin' RsBI
Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.
by NHZ on Jan 18, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like that part too
Because I love myself.
by DrThunder on Jan 18, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Dr. Thunder the beverage
the diet is pretty good too
by royalsreview on Jan 19, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do they still make "Green Lightning?"
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by devil_fingers on Jan 19, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Something very stupid and I'm sure unsabermetric but just a quick look at RBI conversions
HR-RBi / Actual Runners on Base
DDJ 61 / 284 21.5%
JoGui 77 / 438 17.6%
BamBam 44 / 275 16%
Aviles 41 / 265 15.5%
Buck 39 / 274 14.2%
Olivo 29 / 210 13.8%
Alex 43 /340 12.6%
Callaspo 16 /129 12.4%
Teahen 44 /380 11.6%
Grudz 21 / 189 11.1%
Obviously this doesn’t show a big picture of who was up with the most guys on second and third increasing their probability of scoring. Just thought it was interesting to look at.
Form of reference
ManRam 17.9%
Teix 17.5%
Jeter 15.3%
Dunn 14.7%
Eckstein 11.3%
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by kcscoliny on Jan 17, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
a little birdie told me there might be a related post going up on driveline pretty soon related to this
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by devil_fingers on Jan 17, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is this a measure of "clutchiness"?
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Jan 18, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of
Except not really… more of a measure of context-sensitive hitting.
Almost done. Might put it out tonight, probably wait until early tomorrow morning.
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by devil_fingers on Jan 18, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is your post going to show how wildly this changes from player to player from year to year?
Those proving that clutch hitting is not a skill, but a myth? Because if not, you’re dead to me.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 18, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't even posted it, and what I feared is already happening...
IT’S NOT ABOUT CLUTCH
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by devil_fingers on Jan 18, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but...
Does this “context-sensitive hitting” analysis look at multiple years? Because if one sees that Player X was great at context-sensitive hitting in 2008, that could easily lead one to conclude that Player X has a certain repeatable skill with regard to hitting in certain contexts.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 18, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
depends on the context
besides, you’ve taken this out of context
meat
by kabrink on Jan 18, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i discuss that briefly as what needs to be investigated
I don’t (yet) have all the tools at my immediate disposal to do so.
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by devil_fingers on Jan 18, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your research is dangerous and needs to be suppressed
I’m calling Kyle.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 18, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Help, help!!
I’m being repressed!
meat
by kabrink on Jan 18, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Filthy peasant
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by NYRoyal on Jan 18, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, you've teased this article very well
Now I’m eager to see what it says (and tear it apart with voracious abandon — lol, not really). You should post some similarly teasing comments at fangraphs and insidethebook with links to DM, or perhaps do these comments afterwards with links to your article.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 18, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I'm linking to Tango and Fangraphs so much
that I’m surprised they haven’t stopped by already and pointed out all the dumb mistakes I’m making.
if this doesn’t do it, I don’t know what will.
My preliminary results were sort of far off from what I thought I should be anticipating, but it is sort of an “exploratory” post, so we’ll see.
I’ll probably put it up tonight, but SBNatin is actingup on me and won’t “preview” it properly.
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by devil_fingers on Jan 18, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: success with ROB
Power, it seems, obviously helps. Didn’t Guillen have a .180 or so ISO last year? Well, that’s probably not too far from average, but considering his OBP was around .300….
Still, and admittedly negating RISP…..438 runners on base in front of him for the year? It makes those RBI arguments even more unbased and ridiculous.
by Royals Nation on Jan 18, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
.174, been going down for a fewyears
and while he’s been in pitcher’s parks, the move from RFK to Seattle to Kauffman would mean more power numbers if a guys skill set is staying constant…
Here’s a good one for JoGui:
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by devil_fingers on Jan 18, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RN, are you going to get in on the projection thread?
not to pimp it too hard, but I hope people also don’t stop “recing” it just because it’s up there. Not so much for my ego (although that’s always nice), but so it doesn’t get bumped down while we’re still working on stuff
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by devil_fingers on Jan 18, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I give up.
I would participate, but I have no idea where to begin….
by Royals Nation on Jan 19, 2009 4:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did the Americans give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Habor?
Just begin with your gut and heart…
…then proceed to your thoughts on who will make the team in what capacity
I’m also thinking of posting a “form” into which people can enter their projections for individual players that Colin Wyers came uup with — they will then be sent to me and averaged. Maybe that can be part of NYRoyal’s “heart and gut” projection project
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by devil_fingers on Jan 19, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Germans?"
“Forget it. He’s rolling.”
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it."
I'm puffing away, Hal.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 19, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to make it easy for everyone.
I just got back from your mom's basement.
by Warden11 on Jan 19, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Before I die...
I want to be at a parade that is broken up by a “Eat Me” cake float/Deathmobile. I just hope it isn’t the Royals 2013 World Series victory parade.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it."
I'm puffing away, Hal.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 19, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would at least mean
there is a WORLD SERIES parade though, right?
I’d make that trade.
I just got back from your mom's basement.
by Warden11 on Jan 19, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one of my favorite parts of that movie
is when the guy leads the marching band down the dead end alley and the trombones in front get their slides all bent when they crash into the walls (insert juvenile joke here)
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Jan 19, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...and then they just keep marching...
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by devil_fingers on Jan 19, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
because they don't know any better!
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Jan 19, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, what an idiot
“Don’t talk about those stats anymore! They are just made up and stupid. I don’t know what they are, but they are meaningless. If you talk about stats, you’re not a fan. If you use stats as one way to understand the game more, you’re not a fan. If you only look at the game in one way like I do, then you’re a real fan.”
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by NYRoyal on Jan 17, 2009 10:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Quit asking me to actually go outside my comfort zone...
and really THINK about something for a change. I just want to mindlessly follow a sport and never have anyone challenge my preconceived notions about the game. You people are making my head hurt!!"
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it."
I'm puffing away, Hal.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 17, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Basically, there are lots of ways to think about the game and understand the game, and they are all valuable
Scouting, traditional principles, stats, sabermetrics, games theory, econometrics and much more. Acting like any of them is valueless, pointless, stupid or hurt the game is the real stupidity.
“If you tell me something I don’t know about baseball, you’re not a real fan!” Yikes. I learn something more about baseball just about everyday, and that’s a good thing.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 18, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just have an immediate, instinctive aversion...
to anyone who is immediately, instinctively averse to someone asking them to think a little differently. That applies to more than just baseball. You shouldn’t be so annoyed or put-off about responding to critics or someone who challenges your established beliefs in the slightest manner.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it."
I'm puffing away, Hal.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 18, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As the poet said, challenging someone's fundamental assumptions and beliefs is "a walk on a slippery rock"
Most people don’t like what they’ve long believed in to be challenged. They’ve been told from youth that a good hitter has a .300 BA and 100 RBI, and that a leadoff hitter has to be speedy and a good pitcher needs a low ERA. They’ve been told that a smart team sac bunts and sacrifices runs, and that veteran leadership wins championships. Challenging that is challenging their fundamental understanding of the game they love.
Some historians and sociologists have argued that in the 20th (and now 21st century) organized sports took over many of the social, spiritual and personal functions of organized religion. This is true at least to some degree. And you don’t go telling a Christian that Jesus didn’t really die for their sins. It isn’t up for debate. And you can’t tell some people that knocking in 100 runs doesn’t tell you much at all about how good of a hitter a player is.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 18, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quit asking me
to re-name my blog “Cobra-Kai” So we can both have weird 80’s Karate Movie references in our handles.
by DrThunder on Jan 18, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like somebody is out of arguments
“I know my whacky arguments don’t make any sense, so I’ll just stick with lame jokes.”
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by NYRoyal on Jan 19, 2009 5:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has to be using a
sarcasm font with that statement.
by Warden11 on Jan 17, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has my blog link on the first site ...
… and it is only stats. I have never actually put an opinion on the site, that I know of.
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jan 17, 2009 11:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Was that Joel?
or some other disgrundled, previously banned person?
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Jan 18, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I might just be self-centered
…but I couldn’t help think that some of this blogger’s comments might have been directed at me. Comments like “holier than thou,” “know it all,” “BP follower,” using “every made up stat,” and “just because you’re a moderator or administrator” lead me to think that it is possible that he and I have had a run in. This was a bit too articulate for Joel. But it certainly could be another disaffected former or current RR poster.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 18, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad you guys like my work
No, I wasn’t talking about you in particular NYRoyal. Just your breed of human. Thanks for giving me all this publicity, I feel warm inside now, like I do when Mitch Maier hugs me late at night.
by DrThunder on Jan 18, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Willfully ignorant people make me sad
Strive to be a better fan. I know you can do it.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 18, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can be whatever kind of fan I choose to be
Whether you like it or not, I CHOOSE to disagree with your way of looking at baseball.
Maybe you should re-read my blog starting with this sentance:
Just because you’re a moderator or administrator of a
by DrThunder on Jan 18, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagreeing with me is cool
Yeah, I read that "sentance" and many others. Does knowing stats make me scrawny? That seems like particularly odd illogic. Apparently you can be whatever kind of fan you choose to be, but if I choose to be the kind of fan that knows advanced stats, then I’m not a really a baseball fan at all. Actually, knowing more about baseball is a good thing. You should look into it, but I know you won’t. And then you’ll insult those who do. Very odd.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 18, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Knowing
every possible baseball stat does not make you a fan. What makes a fan is Loving your team through thick and thin, crying when they lose a heartbreaking extra innings affair, flying halfway across the country just to see them, talking about hem to total strangers who couldn’t care any less, and enjoying it for what it is. Not overanalyzing every move they make, acting like you’re smarter than the front office, and being generally annoying to all around you.
by DrThunder on Jan 19, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, knowing stats doesn’t make you a fan. But you can be a fan and also know stats. And I do live and die with the Royals. People who know advanced stats are fans too. They love their team and hope for the best and bad losses feel like a gut shot to them, just as they do to you. And I think it is pretty common for fans who really love their team and desperately want them to do well to analyze and perhaps even overanalyze their team, their players, their manager, their GM and their team’s various transactions.
Do you think that “real fans” don’t analyze their team and critique their players, managers and front office? Because if doing that makes you not a fan, then that excludes about 95% of sports fans across the country.
So you can be a fan who knows a little, or a lot, or who knows about traditional baseball principles, or new research, or stats or whatever. All of those things can be a part of what fans know, or not. The amount, degree and nature of the knowledge you have isn’t what makes you a fan or not. In short, your way of being a fan isn’t the only way to be a fan.
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by NYRoyal on Jan 19, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And neither is yours. I choose to rant about people like you because your kind chooses to talk down to people. 99% of the time on any baseball website I go to, if someone happens to not know what EQA or BABIP is, they are mocked and made to feel inferior. So I’m simply switching gears and turning the tables. You can ban me from here all you want and give me your little warnings, but it’ll only fuel my fire on my blog. Enjoy!
by DrThunder on Jan 19, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike you, I don’t claim that fans who are different from me “aren’t even baseball fans.” I don’t delegitimize them. I discuss and debate with them.
99% of the time on any baseball website I go to, if someone happens to not know what EQA or BABIP is, they are mocked and made to feel inferior.
That’s unfortunate, if true. If I’m talking about a stat and someone isn’t familiar with it, I’m happy to explain it. Ten years ago I didn’t know more than the stats on the back of a baseball card. And right now there are many advanced metrics I’m not familiar with and would have to have explained to me. I think part of what we do here is learn from each other. I learn from the statheads and the more traditional tools-based fans, and the prospect guys on a regular basis.
Is that what this is really about? You were on some website and you felt inferior because people were talking about stats you didn’t understand and now you’re lashing out against those who know more than you? Is that what all of these hate-filled rants come from? Could it really be that sad?
And, by the way, my little warnings are about your little insults. On your blog, you can be as offensive as you want. More power to you. But around here, you play by our rules or you don’t play at all.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Jan 19, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And by the way
You’re all a bunch of stupid-heads
:)
by DrThunder on Jan 18, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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