At least he's a good baserunner....

b/c Marky Mark isnt much of a hitter and he's got a bad arm in the OF

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yeah, saw that

terrible year in the field for Teahen, after he was pretty good last year

I’ll be interested to see how it breaks down for left and right field once they get the stuff on the player pages for him. I didn’t see Guillen in either list, so I guess he didn’t get enough appearance or opporunities to qualify… But given how poorly Teahen did, maybe Guillen was actually mor valuable than him

for what it’s worth, Teahen had a below-average year on the bases, too

Good thing the FO doesn’t evaluate based on one year of stats…

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 22, 2009 6:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

if only they were consistent in their one year stat evaluation...

then we wouldnt have been subjected to 225 abs of 169/180/209

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Jan 22, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Teahen's stats are all over the place from year to year

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 22, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

not sure what that was responding to

just mean in general — in 2006, he hit with power and stuff, last year, his power went away, but his contact rate was still good and he got on-base OK. He did well with his arm. This year it all goes to crap.

He’s certainly not long on star potential, but he’s too young and isn’t the “type” to be declining. You never know, I guess.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 22, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

He’s certainly not long on star potential, but he’s too young and isn’t the "type" to be declining. You never know, I guess.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 22, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Except that Jacobs is exactly the type

slow, bad defense, no position, only real tool is power

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 22, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't know 28 was such a common age to fall apart physically

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by kcscoliny on Jan 22, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't say fall apart

but I mean that players without a broad base of physical tools, and a limited range of baseball skills tend to decline earlier

You don’t have to agree, and I’m not sure i do, either. But I think it’s likely last year was his peak.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 22, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know he definitely has that label

I tend to think that it’s not that age that breaksdown certain players in that group but the injury bug that breaks them down. I’m sure I’m wrong though.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 22, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well, injuries don't help

it’s just that Jacobs doesn’t have much to go on once his power slips

Should be fun if he can hit some jacks. I’m going to go nuts if Jacobs is hitting even .275/.310/.500 in June and Kila is still doing his Baby Bonds impersonation in Omaha without getting calledup.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 22, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If Kila is hitting strong

and one of the two (Shealy or Jacobs) are hitting decently well then I believe they become trade bait somewhere.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 22, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

for now I'm just praying the "B-Mac" is wrong about Gload

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 22, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ditto

I was thinking about that a few weeks ago but didn’t want to admit it. In GMDM’s mind he is building a better defense and they perceive Gload to be Minky at 1b. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if they ended up trading Shealy for a relief pitcher and putting Gload on the 25 man roster.

It really is gonna depend on how Butler and Shealy perform in Spring Training. If one of them or both struggle then I think we might be stuck with the Gloadin one

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by kcscoliny on Jan 22, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually age 30 is about the time when players like this tend to fall off a cliff

Not that 30 is a magical number or a guarantee that this will happen. But Sexson and Hafner fell of this cliff around that age. Dunn is currently sprinting towards it.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 22, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

I wasn’t talking about the crash, just the decline

I was just really struck by MGL saying in a thread once that he thinks players peak and decline (in general, obviously) even after 27-28. Not crash, but their skills already degrade. I don’t know, but MGL has studied this stuff as much as anyone else.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 22, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No, that's certainly accurate (from what I've read)

In general, the decline starts right after the peak, (roughly age 27) but the decline is pretty gradual for about 4 years (again, on average) and then the decline curve gets increasingly steep after that.

And then there’s the decline curve of players with “old-player skills” where the peak is usually earlier and the decline is earlier and often much more rapid.

And then there’s the decline curve of speedy, athletic players which skews older with a slower decline.

And then there’s people like me, still waiting for my peak.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 22, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Off subject kinda

maybe GMDM is doing alot more advanced research than we think. Moving Teahen to 2b would be pretty far off of the norm based on his body type.

He is certainly looking at ways to improve the defense by adding Crisp to CF and moving DDJ to LF.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 22, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would like DM and TH to be thinking outside the box like that

It’s worth a try. I really think Teahen’s range would be extremely limited and perhaps his negative defensive value would cancel out his good bat for the position. But hey, I say think outside the box and give it a shot. I was in favor of trying it back when Alex came up and Teahen had to move from third base.

But given how Moore and Hillman value “defense up the middle,” I really doubt they do this in a major league game except for a late game situation where a bunch have pinch hitters/runners have necessitated a lineup shakeup.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 23, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Callaspo’s defensive range might be just as limited and The Spork definitely isn’t the answer there.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 23, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know about that

Callaspo’s range was decent. Below average, but not by much. Teahen has always had significantly below average range at third base. At second, I think he could end up being very bad defensively. But there’s only one way to find out.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 23, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs