Soria to Start on World Stage?
Alright, this one’s from the hip. I’ve done no research on this, and, as usual, apologies if this has been well-covered by the discerning eye of RoyalsReview Nation (a subcult of the only-slightly-better-known Royals Nation). Here’s what I’ve been chewing on for the last couple days: Soria is going to pitch for Mexico in the World Baseball Classic. Now, Mexico has plenty of good players, I would bet that Mexico’s team will be far from the worst in the tournament. Nonetheless, I would also bet that the Mexicutioner is among the two or three best players on the team, and along with Yovani Gallardo (if he plays), one of the two best pitchers. Tell me now, oh manager of the Mexican team, are you going to put Joakim in the bullpen when your national pride is on the line?
I didn’t think so.
What that means, then, is that Soria might very well START on a world stage—I would even say he’s likely to start, on that stage in front of everyone. In front of the Discerning Eye of RRNation, in front of Joe Posnanski and Rany Jazayerli and Dayton Moore. Not to mention Davis Glass, for whatever that’s worth.
In light of this delightful possibility, I’d like throw out a little hypothetical. What happens if, say, he dominates? What happens if he whiffs Alex Rodriguez on three pitches...in the 7th inning? What would happen if he were to throw a 100-pitch complete game?
I’m not saying this is likely to happen, I’m just throwing out the most interesting scenario. I could write a few thousand words expanding this scenario and looking at the hypotheticals, but I’ll keep this one short. I’m operating under the premise that Moore, even in the above scenario, would keep him in the closer’s role. Moore is a resolute guy, he doesn’t cow to fan pressure, or media pressure, or probably even ownership pressure. Someone once compared him to Don Corleone (Royals Authority, I think) and I think that’s about right. I’m not suggesting he’s a bad guy or anything, on the contrary, he’s a man of strong moral fiber. But he operates by his own rules.
But imagine the clamor if Soria dominates. I’m thinking he won’t just be getting pressure from the fans and the media, he might get a little from various corners of the front office. Regardless (Craig Brown, or is it Clark, stop staying “irregardless” already. I know the dictionary may say it’s legitimate, but come on, “regardless” is so much cleaner, neater, eloquent). Regardless, I can’t wait to see what happens.
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Honestly...
I’m more concerned about injury/long-term damage to his arm for the Royals’ purposes. It may be a small increased risk, but it’s definitely not something he’s been doing over the last couple years. Plus, he might be more likely to push himself due out of a sense of pride, lack of other starting options, etc.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 29, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!111
I wonder if the Royals told him he couldn’t start to minimize injury risk.
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They should start him
With the really wimpy pitch counts (65 in first round, 80 in second) they are limited too, and mandatory rest there is no big risk involved.
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No.
I would find Moore and personally express my…displeasure if this were to happen.
Not a chance in hell
Royals have the decision on whether he starts.. and clearly they would never risk injury for there MLB team because of the mans country pride… no way at all
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We can dream can't we?
It would be awesome. But I do worry about injury risk in this case, with no real buildup to higher pitch counts. I think the most he threw was about 30 in one appearance last year.
No it wouldnt be awesome..
it would be awesome if he did so for the royals.. but not for team MEXICO with a month before the season starts
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Ummm...
I agree with you, but I was thinking if he shined as a starter there, then we might actually give him a shot at it here. And what would truly be awesome is if he did it for the Royals, but I don’t see any way he gets a shot at it. The Royals just aren’t willing to screw with The Greatest Closer of All-Time.
I'd be pissed if Soria threw a 100-pitch complete game in the WBC
Because 1) it would be unnecessary and dangerous wear and tear on his arm (when added to the full season of pitching he’d have with the Royals, and 2) it wouldn’t affect the likelihood that he ever becomes a starter for the Royals (which is approaching zero).
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I didn't fully catch it but someone was talking on XM
saying that 65 pitches is the cap by a pitcher. Does anyone know if this is true or did I just mishear it.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
There is some kind of pitch count limitation, but I don't know the details
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 29, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
There are pitch counts and mandatory rest
1st Round: 60 pitches
2nd Round: 80 pitches
Semis and Final: 95 pitches
After throwing 50 pitches in a game: Must have 4 days rest
After throwing 30 pitches in a gmae: Must have 1 day of rest
Cannot throw 3 consectuve days, regardless of pitch count.
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Thanks for that info
I was wondering about days of rest. It’s not likely that Mexico will have a long run in the tournament, but if they did, I could still see problems even if Joakim had a strict pitch count. He (or Mexico’s manager) might push for him(self) to start on short rest out of a lack of quality options (especially if Gallardo can’t go). This makes me feel better.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 29, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
He'd throw a perfect game against Japan
And he’ll only need the 80 pitches.
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Not gonna happen
Your not bumping Rodrigo Lopez from the Mexican rotation.
by Royal from Queens on Jan 29, 2009 11:26 PM EST reply actions
I can't let go of wanting Soria to start
Having Soria throw a lot of pitches before season is a bad thing, agreed.
There are two things to consider: 1) How much control does Moore have over Soria’s pitch count in the WBC? Unless it’s written into his contract, none. No major league team can dictate what a player can and can’t do in the offseason unless it’s written into his contract. Now, Dayton can certainly have a meeting with him and impress upon him what he’d like Soria to do, and not to do, but he can’t force Mexico to refrain from using him as a starter, and can’t force Soria not to start.
2) The “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” premise only holds if we don’t know what he’d do as a starter. And we’re probably about to find out what he’d do as a starter. We’ve had the Soria-as-starter vs. Soria-as-reliever argument ad nauseum over the last two years, and I believe (correct me if I’m wrong), that the conclusion by analysts like Craig and Clark at Royals Authority, Rany, and at least a couple of others is that good starters are more valuable than good closers.
Here’s why I can’t let go of it: closers don’t typically have four plus pitches. Soria throws at least three great pitches, and maybe four. That’s why I’ve never bought into the Mariano comparisons; Mariano has two pitches. Really, he only has one. Soria is a completely different pitcher. He’s a pitcher, not a thrower, and his mechanics are fluid, no whipping action of the arm, I don’t he’s nearly the injury risk some do.
So, irregardless of the fact that throwing pitches before the season is a bad thing, I want Moore and company to be forced to watch him as a starter. I mean, what if he’s Johan Santana?
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by jackie ballgame on Jan 30, 2009 10:08 AM EST reply actions
I agree with all of that
except the action. I am huge proponent of Soria to the rotation, but even i wince a little at the way he he slings his arm forward when he pitches. An aesthetic thing maybe, but i don’t think you can really say his action is “fluid”.
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by kcbottom9th on Jan 30, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Although I'm solidly on the Soria to rotation platform
I think the only chance it happens is if somebody like Rosa comes up and dominates.
But even that wouldn’t be enough. Soria would then need to get sick (or hit with a baseball or something non-pitching arm related) to go on the 15-day DL. Then Rosa would have to dominate as closer in order for Soria to be “freed up” to move to the rotation.
This has a very thin chance of happening though — if Rosa puts up a good season or two as a reliever, I can easily see him being traded to fill a different hole.
What’s more likely is that the Royals leave Soria as closer and win around 81 wins this year. They’d consider moving him next year, but will plan on playing for the division, so will refuse to consider it because you can’t win without a “PROVEN CLOSER”.
I wonder what happens when there are no games to close?
Maybe GMDM will get it then. But he’ll probably get 30-40 again this year because we don’t blow people out.

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